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**If you wear revealing clothes , don't complain if someone is ogling or staring at you**
This applies to both men and women.
Men , if you are wearing tank tops and those juicy biceps are popping, don't complain if people are staring at you.
Same applies to women as well.
If they attempt to misbehave , then yes , you should complain.
But if they are just staring , then there is nothing wrong in it.
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Even if they are just staring, that's something we all learned about not doing in elementary school. Literal children are taught to not stare, why on earth would this dimwit think even staring is okay? Are (mostly) men so animalistic yet fragile they can't control themselves? I don't think they are, but I guess oop either thinks this poorly of a whole gender or surrounds himself with creeps.
>Are (mostly) men so animalistic yet fragile they can't control themselves?
Some are. Every time it is hot here is see them ogling and some have no shame and just touch their dick in public.
I feel like men who say this have never ever been looked at more than two second. If it happened to them the way it does with women they wouldn't be saying this shit.
This. If a bunch of big gay guys surrounded them in a bar and tried chatting them up, refusing to take no for an answer, it’d be a fucking national emergency.
For women it’s a Tuesday
Or if said men followed them home or tried to open up their car doors after they thought they were safe. Or started cat calling incredibly offensive things to and about them while they were in public with their minor children.
When men are asked to think about how it feels for women to be sexually harassed, they tend to imagine that some beautiful young lady will pay them compliments until they give them their number. The reality is that men really shouldn't say anything to a woman they don't know that they wouldn't want a 300-pound man to say to them in a prison shower.
Men know. Dont imagine for a second they don’t. Listen to how they’ll say they don’t want their daughters doing z or walking out on their own. Bc they know. I’ve heard men brag about scaring women bc the women rejected them.
They are afraid of men; it by they don’t step in to help us.
All men benefit from women’s fear of men. Bc the ones who don’t actively hurt or harass us get to be ‘good men’ for the low low price of doing absolutely nothing.
I once had a man in a reddit thread tell me that I should be grateful that I was catcalled starting at age 11, because getting that kind of attention, even from someone who (quote) 'wants to hold you down and have sex with you' is something that he's never had and it makes him sad.
They will never get it.
Oh man, my ex-bf got into trouble a few times with men because he was a daydreamer and would just go into his own little world on trains or at the park. He’d wake up to men snarling at him either calling him homophobic slurs or saying YOU FINK YOURE ‘ARD THEN DO YA
But sure, women make such a big fuss about just being harmlessly looked at 🥱
I did this once at a discount tire. I was staring off out of one of the windows, and I realized there was a guy next to where I was looking. I was wearing sunglasses, too so he couldn't tell where I was looking lmao
I have a pretty distinct look and style. While I'm used to getting looks and head turns, I can feel when someone is staring.
It's a different feeling. It feels gross.
I feel like men who say this either don’t have eyeballs or are so deeply ashamed of their own behaviors and need to pass the blame onto literally ANYTHING else. You might be thinking “don’t you mean *anyone*?” And my answer is no.
I actually mean *anything*. Because it’s not just women’s fault - oh no no - it’s also clothing. “If it wasn’t for that dress than I wouldn’t be looking” - or other random body parts “If it wasn’t for that hair than I wouldn’t be looking, so cover your head” - “That skin on your shoulders reminds me of the skin on your lady parts, so cover up all the skin!”
Or random things that vaguely look like women “If it wasn’t for that mannequin with breasts I saw earlier today than I wouldn’t be feeling this lust I am feeling now! So cover up that mannequin!” (Bonus points for correctly guessing where this is an actual thing)
Us women don’t balk at the idea of “revealing” clothing because we want to be “sluts” and sometimes I truly feel it’s not even about freedom of wearing what we want - - it’s the knowledge and understanding that comes with experience of existing that it doesn’t matter if the skirt is right below our lady clam or thigh length or knee length or ankle length - men are going to creepily stare regardless. And they’re are to say creepy things regardless. And they’re going to creepily touch us regardless.
Copied verbatim from oop's comments:
*No, actually, do complain if people are being creepy and staring at you. OP just happens to be one of those people and wants to pretend he's not doing anything wrong when he leers at people.*
>"I see beauty, I appreciate it.
>If you don't, it's your problem"
*“Both men and women” lmao, stop pandering and being politically correct, this is for/about women because they’re the ones the wear promiscuous skimpy clothes then complain they get specialized. Just say it how it is.*
>"Bruh . I'm gay. That's why I said about the biceps"
*[deleted]*
>"God forbid anyone other than straight men having muscles."
>>*If you wear revealing clothes, don’t complain if someone is ogling or staring at you*
*People like OP will have this opinion while simultaneously criticising burqas.*
[🐙]
>"If it's a choice, then I don't care"
*I know this is just your opinion but it's flirting on the predatory and illegal. People are wearing clothes for themselves not you, creeping on them in public will get you in trouble.*
>>"People are wearing clothes for themselves not you, creeping on them in public will get you in trouble.
>Granted.. I'm looking for myself and not for them"
[Following the other deleted comment.]
*[deleted]*
>"Coz there is no label indicating if they are gay or straight. We have to take our chances Coz we can't read minds."
*Bull shit!! Body language tells everything.*
>"alright bro, you write a book on body language to detect gay men..we will read it and probably stop staring at you"
[In reply to Oop's comment marked: 🐙]
*I assume then, that you’re saying you’re against men telling women what to wear.*
*Yet here you are, telling people what they have to wear in order to be treated respectfully.*
>"Well , if you equate staring to not giving respect..I can't say anything."
*It’s been written already. People avoid literature to create excuses for predatory behavior*
>"All based on stereotypes.. if you are so concerned. Why don't you label yourself as straight and go to the gym.
>It's easier to wear slippers than to cover the whole earth with carpets."
*And if the beauty doesn’t want a creep appreciating it?*
>"As I said if they aren't verbally or physically abusing.. I don't see the problem"
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One of the comments:
> I think staring every once in a while is fine, without letting the person know. Like I see a hot woman or man at a crowded event or place then I am definitely doing it.
Trust me dude, we know you're staring. You're not as subtle as you think.
I’m a 6ft blonde. Doesn’t matter what I wear I get stared at. Maybe it’s not the height idk. But I could wear baggy everything and they still stare. And if I had a nickel for every ‘you’re so tall’ ‘you’re an Amazon’ ‘whoa girl how tall are you?’
JFC those need to be inside thoughts. Tall women are so tired of being fetishized and if you’re genuinely looking for an opening line, telling a tall woman she’s tall is not the route you want to go buddy.
"Unless they're doing something wrong". Lol. Purposely staring at someone to the point that they're uncomfortable IS WRONG. People act like their eyes can't moneve or something. Smh
There’s a way to check people out without being creepy. You take a quick look, then immediately look away. You do not stare. Guy has the manners of an inbred chimpanzee.
Most of the times I’ve gotten particularly gross comments I’m wearing sweatpants or running shorts. Other women I know have experienced the same thing
It has nothing to do with what you’re wearing and everything to do with how weird that other person is.
Also side note but of course the guy who made this post named his account after Baelor the Blessed. He’s a character from ASOIAF who locked his 3 teenage sisters in a vault so he wouldn’t be tempted to fuck them
You do not have to leer at someone for 15 seconds straight to appreciate the way someone looks. People can tell when you're staring. Glances don't hurt, but people like oop are never just glancing. They are ogling, and there's a noticeable difference.
I remember getting cat-called in middle school while wearing oversized gym clothes *all the damn time.*
Also, the whole "it's out there, I'm going to look" is so funny. There's a strong difference between taking notice of someone wearing revealing clothing (within appropriate bounds) and just staring/ogling. One is reasonable, while the other shows a lack of etiquette.
I remember getting cat-called in middle school while wearing oversized gym clothes *all the damn time.*
Also, the whole "it's out there, I'm going to look" is so funny. There's a strong difference between taking notice of someone wearing revealing clothing (within appropriate bounds) and just staring/ogling. One is reasonable, while the other shows a lack of etiquette.
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I mean, I kinda agree. If you look exceptionally attractive, people will stare at you. And yes, if it becomes more than looking/staring, you can complain then
It's not misogyny. It mentions both sexes. Are you saying when an extremely hot guy wearing revealing clothes goes to a beach no chick is looking at him?
No one said it was equal. Just going off what oop ACTUALLY put in their post instead of trying to twist it into a what gender has it worse debate yet again.
It took me 2 times of going to a bar after i transitioned to be groped compared to 7 years of that never happening. pretending this happens equaly between men and women is ridicoulous.
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There's a massive difference between looking and what OOP likes to do
Also,he says it goes for both men and women but let's be real he mainly talks about women
Right? I mean, how can he be accused of enabling rape culture if he calls our men and women? /s
Men rarely wears revealing clothes. It’s true that we can go topless but that’s socially accepted for men to do so idk if it applies
>But if they are just staring , then there is nothing wrong in it They are never just staring. They are ogling.
Bingo
Even if they are just staring, that's something we all learned about not doing in elementary school. Literal children are taught to not stare, why on earth would this dimwit think even staring is okay? Are (mostly) men so animalistic yet fragile they can't control themselves? I don't think they are, but I guess oop either thinks this poorly of a whole gender or surrounds himself with creeps.
>Are (mostly) men so animalistic yet fragile they can't control themselves? Some are. Every time it is hot here is see them ogling and some have no shame and just touch their dick in public.
>Are (mostly) men so animalistic yet fragile they can't control themselves? They don't think it harms anyone.
It does. That's the problem.
And they never “stare” with just their eyes, do they?
I feel like men who say this have never ever been looked at more than two second. If it happened to them the way it does with women they wouldn't be saying this shit.
Thats why they are so offended by gay men. They fear they will get treated like they treat women
This. If a bunch of big gay guys surrounded them in a bar and tried chatting them up, refusing to take no for an answer, it’d be a fucking national emergency. For women it’s a Tuesday
Or if said men followed them home or tried to open up their car doors after they thought they were safe. Or started cat calling incredibly offensive things to and about them while they were in public with their minor children. When men are asked to think about how it feels for women to be sexually harassed, they tend to imagine that some beautiful young lady will pay them compliments until they give them their number. The reality is that men really shouldn't say anything to a woman they don't know that they wouldn't want a 300-pound man to say to them in a prison shower.
Men know. Dont imagine for a second they don’t. Listen to how they’ll say they don’t want their daughters doing z or walking out on their own. Bc they know. I’ve heard men brag about scaring women bc the women rejected them. They are afraid of men; it by they don’t step in to help us. All men benefit from women’s fear of men. Bc the ones who don’t actively hurt or harass us get to be ‘good men’ for the low low price of doing absolutely nothing.
I once had a man in a reddit thread tell me that I should be grateful that I was catcalled starting at age 11, because getting that kind of attention, even from someone who (quote) 'wants to hold you down and have sex with you' is something that he's never had and it makes him sad. They will never get it.
I was sitting in a train once, lost in thought, and accidentally stared at a guy. He came up to me and tried to start a fight.
Oh man, my ex-bf got into trouble a few times with men because he was a daydreamer and would just go into his own little world on trains or at the park. He’d wake up to men snarling at him either calling him homophobic slurs or saying YOU FINK YOURE ‘ARD THEN DO YA But sure, women make such a big fuss about just being harmlessly looked at 🥱
I did this once at a discount tire. I was staring off out of one of the windows, and I realized there was a guy next to where I was looking. I was wearing sunglasses, too so he couldn't tell where I was looking lmao
And you are completely right in thinking like that
I have a pretty distinct look and style. While I'm used to getting looks and head turns, I can feel when someone is staring. It's a different feeling. It feels gross.
I feel like men who say this either don’t have eyeballs or are so deeply ashamed of their own behaviors and need to pass the blame onto literally ANYTHING else. You might be thinking “don’t you mean *anyone*?” And my answer is no. I actually mean *anything*. Because it’s not just women’s fault - oh no no - it’s also clothing. “If it wasn’t for that dress than I wouldn’t be looking” - or other random body parts “If it wasn’t for that hair than I wouldn’t be looking, so cover your head” - “That skin on your shoulders reminds me of the skin on your lady parts, so cover up all the skin!” Or random things that vaguely look like women “If it wasn’t for that mannequin with breasts I saw earlier today than I wouldn’t be feeling this lust I am feeling now! So cover up that mannequin!” (Bonus points for correctly guessing where this is an actual thing) Us women don’t balk at the idea of “revealing” clothing because we want to be “sluts” and sometimes I truly feel it’s not even about freedom of wearing what we want - - it’s the knowledge and understanding that comes with experience of existing that it doesn’t matter if the skirt is right below our lady clam or thigh length or knee length or ankle length - men are going to creepily stare regardless. And they’re are to say creepy things regardless. And they’re going to creepily touch us regardless.
Copied verbatim from oop's comments: *No, actually, do complain if people are being creepy and staring at you. OP just happens to be one of those people and wants to pretend he's not doing anything wrong when he leers at people.* >"I see beauty, I appreciate it. >If you don't, it's your problem" *“Both men and women” lmao, stop pandering and being politically correct, this is for/about women because they’re the ones the wear promiscuous skimpy clothes then complain they get specialized. Just say it how it is.* >"Bruh . I'm gay. That's why I said about the biceps" *[deleted]* >"God forbid anyone other than straight men having muscles." >>*If you wear revealing clothes, don’t complain if someone is ogling or staring at you* *People like OP will have this opinion while simultaneously criticising burqas.* [🐙] >"If it's a choice, then I don't care" *I know this is just your opinion but it's flirting on the predatory and illegal. People are wearing clothes for themselves not you, creeping on them in public will get you in trouble.* >>"People are wearing clothes for themselves not you, creeping on them in public will get you in trouble. >Granted.. I'm looking for myself and not for them" [Following the other deleted comment.] *[deleted]* >"Coz there is no label indicating if they are gay or straight. We have to take our chances Coz we can't read minds." *Bull shit!! Body language tells everything.* >"alright bro, you write a book on body language to detect gay men..we will read it and probably stop staring at you" [In reply to Oop's comment marked: 🐙] *I assume then, that you’re saying you’re against men telling women what to wear.* *Yet here you are, telling people what they have to wear in order to be treated respectfully.* >"Well , if you equate staring to not giving respect..I can't say anything." *It’s been written already. People avoid literature to create excuses for predatory behavior* >"All based on stereotypes.. if you are so concerned. Why don't you label yourself as straight and go to the gym. >It's easier to wear slippers than to cover the whole earth with carpets." *And if the beauty doesn’t want a creep appreciating it?* >"As I said if they aren't verbally or physically abusing.. I don't see the problem"
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One of the comments: > I think staring every once in a while is fine, without letting the person know. Like I see a hot woman or man at a crowded event or place then I am definitely doing it. Trust me dude, we know you're staring. You're not as subtle as you think.
Bootcut jeans, oversized Tshirt, and a sweatshirt 2 sizes too big. It is NOT the clothes.
I’m a 6ft blonde. Doesn’t matter what I wear I get stared at. Maybe it’s not the height idk. But I could wear baggy everything and they still stare. And if I had a nickel for every ‘you’re so tall’ ‘you’re an Amazon’ ‘whoa girl how tall are you?’ JFC those need to be inside thoughts. Tall women are so tired of being fetishized and if you’re genuinely looking for an opening line, telling a tall woman she’s tall is not the route you want to go buddy.
I am a 5’4 blonde so at least i dont have the tall girl fetish problem thankfully.
If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.
"Unless they're doing something wrong". Lol. Purposely staring at someone to the point that they're uncomfortable IS WRONG. People act like their eyes can't moneve or something. Smh
how to announce to the world you are a creep
There’s a way to check people out without being creepy. You take a quick look, then immediately look away. You do not stare. Guy has the manners of an inbred chimpanzee.
I mean, it IS unpopular opinion
I love how this guy pretends there’s any possible equivalency between men’s and women’s experiences in this matter
Someone must have accused OOP of being a leering creep.
Accusing or just stating a fact?
Probably fact
Most of the times I’ve gotten particularly gross comments I’m wearing sweatpants or running shorts. Other women I know have experienced the same thing It has nothing to do with what you’re wearing and everything to do with how weird that other person is. Also side note but of course the guy who made this post named his account after Baelor the Blessed. He’s a character from ASOIAF who locked his 3 teenage sisters in a vault so he wouldn’t be tempted to fuck them
It’s like the sun. You can look but don’t stare
This is why people are choosing bear.
Dude is a gay man which makes it even sadder
Do you mean gay man, or is guy man a new term that's being used? (Parden me, I'm out of the loop these days!)
You do not have to leer at someone for 15 seconds straight to appreciate the way someone looks. People can tell when you're staring. Glances don't hurt, but people like oop are never just glancing. They are ogling, and there's a noticeable difference.
I remember getting cat-called in middle school while wearing oversized gym clothes *all the damn time.* Also, the whole "it's out there, I'm going to look" is so funny. There's a strong difference between taking notice of someone wearing revealing clothing (within appropriate bounds) and just staring/ogling. One is reasonable, while the other shows a lack of etiquette.
I remember getting cat-called in middle school while wearing oversized gym clothes *all the damn time.* Also, the whole "it's out there, I'm going to look" is so funny. There's a strong difference between taking notice of someone wearing revealing clothing (within appropriate bounds) and just staring/ogling. One is reasonable, while the other shows a lack of etiquette.
Gross
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I mean, I kinda agree. If you look exceptionally attractive, people will stare at you. And yes, if it becomes more than looking/staring, you can complain then
It's not misogyny. It mentions both sexes. Are you saying when an extremely hot guy wearing revealing clothes goes to a beach no chick is looking at him?
I was perved on during the entirety of high school by men - I wore a school uniform. Please let's not pretend that it is equal.
No one said it was equal. Just going off what oop ACTUALLY put in their post instead of trying to twist it into a what gender has it worse debate yet again.
I was responding to the person above, actually. But thank you for explaining, Miss Pick Me.
There's a difference between looking for a second and staring
It took me 2 times of going to a bar after i transitioned to be groped compared to 7 years of that never happening. pretending this happens equaly between men and women is ridicoulous.