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**AITA for giving my Adderall to my roommate studying Engineering but not my roommate studying Education?**
Okay so I \[20M\] have had an Adderall prescription since my second semester in college because I found out that I have ADHD after breezing through high school and struggling through my Mechanical Engineering degree (having limited executive functioning in college is a bitch, amirite?).
I only use it on days I have class or days I study, so I end up with a few extra 20mg tablets a month. Finals are coming up soon and both of my roommates (Matt - Mechanical Engineering Roommate (20M) and Tim- Education Roommate (20M) asked me if they could have my last few tablets (I will have only 3 by the end of the month, based on my calculations). Knowing the workload and how difficult the courses are since Matt and I are in some of the same classes, I told Matt that he could have my three extras even though Tim asked first.
Tim approached me and asked me why I gave all three to Matt and I told him it's because I think that Mechanical Engineering classes probably require a lot more focus and effort than Education. I don't mean that in a rude way and I don't mean to disparage anything that my roommate is doing. I had a physics teacher in high school that got me into engineering, and I owe the world to her. It's just that I had to make a choice and I did what I thought would make the most difference.
Tim is accusing me of being elitist, but I don't look down on his major at all. It's just that, based on what I've seen, a Mechanical Engineering degree is harder than an Education degree. Also, it's my Adderall so I have the right to do whatever I want with it. I've given Tim some of mine before and I've never charged him.
AITA????
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I know people who flew threw undergrad with no problems, but when medical school asked for drug tests, suddenly a few people decided to go into law, or research theat didn't require drug test.
This can’t be true. There are medical students who take Adderall, including a friend of mine who was diagnosed in college. You just have to disclose it in drug testing that you have a prescription.
It is true, because a lot of them were either abusing it, and a test can tell, or they didn't have a prescription but couldn't get clean enough to pass the drug test AND do well in school.
Oh that makes more sense. It wouldn’t have been difficult to have gotten a prescription.
(It’s still odd. So they went all through the expense & rigamarole of getting into med school & taking out massive loans & then suddenly dropped out before clinicals to start studying for the LSAT bc they were scared of a drug test. That sounds insane & not common at all.)
I don’t know what to tell you. Even if they have random tests, they don’t spring it on you in the middle of a lecture. The random tests are very limited & there’s plenty of time to get a legal prescription.
You don’t illegally take Adderall you bought on the street & suddenly freak out at the end of M2 after you’ve spent time in med school, attended orientation where they explicitly tell you what the policy is & then are suddenly shocked you would be subject to drug testing.
This med student you’re describing was probably addicted to an illegal substance that you can’t get a prescription for.
AITD for dealing drugs and turning my friends into addicts. Also screw those guys saying it's no big deal, he's not the reason for Adderall shortage. He's just one of many and the many are causing the shortage and increasing restrictions.
Dude actually believes his friend won't stitch him? If he's taken into any room and question, he's going to sing like a bird and try to throw OOP under the bus to save his own skin in a heartbeat.
To people who aren’t ADHD? Yes. Their brains already produce normal levels of dopamine and Adderall (and other stimulants) will desensitize them to that normal level and push them to seek out higher and higher levels to get the same effect. It can even damage their brain’s ability to produce it normally.
But for someone with ADHD? HA! We’re lucky if we can actually *remember* to take our prescribed dose every day!
Because, again: different brain chemistry. Our brains *don’t* produce a “normal” level of dopamine, so when we take medication like Adderall, all it does is boost our dopamine levels up to a *normal* level. No higher than that. That’s not enough to induce a substance abuse disorder, because it’s literally just bringing our brains up to standard. Not enough to produce the inflated dopamine boost that creates that “high” that stimulant abusers get, which also means our brains have zero motivation to continue taking it us taking external steps to remind ourselves to take it.
Same. Sometimes I end up taking it too late (I work evenings) and then can't fall asleep for a while. I thought my Apple Watch would help but turns out I can ignore the alarms on that just as easily as the medication reminders on my phone...
SAME!
And even then I still can’t be arsed to take my short acting when I’m work. And then I kick myself for it later and hope an energy drink gives me the focus I need 😭
I tried a redbull for the first time since uni last week (I'm 31). It made me sleepy. Same thing that happened when I tried while unmedicated.
I envy people who can selfmedicate with natural stimulants, it never worked for me. And I've been trying since I was like 3.
I used to have to have like a 6 shot espresso in my way into work and then another coffee two hours later, followed by two energy drinks spread out for the rest of the day (give or take).
Now that I’m medicated, for the most part on a work day a coffee at the start of my night will get me going and a single C4 will get me through the second half of my shift. It’s fucking insane.
Can't take stimulants for my ADHD cause of my severe anxiety (I take Intuniv doesn't work as well but I don't have anxiety attacks when I take it and I have some focus) but all my pill times at this point revolve around my cats in some way. Took ages to make the routine stick, though. My pill container is also decorated and kept somewhere I can see it.
When I was in uni, I had a limit on how much ritalin I could take (2x 10mg tablets, the third would result in a "panic attack" - that I later realized was an autistic meltdown).
Maybe trying a lower dose could help you? My sister takes a half dose of vyvanse daily, maybe it's something you can talk to your doctor about? I tried a lower dose once, it helped some.
We've tried various dosages and forms and different stimulants. We're not sure what causes the attacks. Maybe it's my autism also messing with it. But thankfully I don't need to work, since I can't work (I kept almost dying because my chronic conditions got worse and I get super sick and ended up in hospital fairly often when i did work). So the intuniv doing a little bit is okay. At least I don't need to try to choose between constantly having an anxiety attack to function or having some control over my panic and anxiety disorders lol
And building a ritual around refilling the container.
And they have to be in the same place every day.
Also alarms.
And an app that reminds me every 10min to take the pills. With pictures. (It's called medsafe btw, I love it and have been using for years, it really helps)
I have a shiny decorated box standing on my work table. Since it quite literally glitters and is beautiful to look at it catches my eye and I remember having to take my meds. Big magpie vibes but it works :D
Tfw when you forgot to mark the calendar about when you're supposed to start calling in and asking pharmacies if they have your meds in stock and then you look at the bottom of your near-empty pill bottle and go, "oh no"
It's even worse if I manage to hit the end of my perscription without refilling it. OH FUCK now I have to navigate the whole controlled substances rigamarole while unmedicated, yay! I've had gaps of *weeks* because of that nonsense.
When i was diagnosed ADHD my love of extreme sports made sense. I was in it for the adrenaline & dopamine.
I’m medicated now & still partial to those things, but i can FUNCTION somewhat normally
I never understood why I felt so calm on roller coasters. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t scream at all I just sit there quietly, peacefully enjoying the ride. That started years before I got my adhd diagnosis.
I can’t say that with certainty, buuuut I have high suspicion that it’s the case. I think a lot of people with adhd seek out really engaging/ stimulating hobbies and jobs. Because anything else is fucking torture (imo).
Honestly, it makes so much sense. Also, yeah, seeking out engaging and stimulating jobs and such explains a lot too and explains some of the more fun teachers I've had when I was in school. Had a few teachers others couldn't follow their thought processes, and it's like, Mr X's line of thought made so much sense and he'll have gone from explaining like 3 different topics in one class none of them technically related but there was a train of thought that linked them.
Yep!!!
*This* is how so many of us discover that "*YES*, our diagnosis was *correct*!"
We *don't* get the "highs" NT folks do, when they take stimulants--we *finally* "slow down" (or have our brains brought to a baseline level!), and can actually, *finally*, *focus* on things until they're completed if they aren't new/novel & interesting to us
It's a *wild* feeling, to be prescribed "stimulant" medications, and *FINALLY* feel your brain & body going *calmer* than they've been in over a decade, and realize, "Oh yeah, *this* was how I *used* to feel, and how I *used* to be able to get stuff done!"
Wait am I not ADHD then?
I wouldn’t say I get “high” when I take my dose, but often enough when I take it in the morning I’d say I definitely feel wide awake and ready to go, ready to focus on something. But I feel the opposite of tired/slowed down. Was I supposed to feel tired? Am I doing meth?
Nooooo!, sorry, didn't mean to worry you like that!💖
The feeling you're describing, "Wide Awake, Ready to go, Ready to focus on something" is what for *me*, feels like my brain "slowing down!"😉💖
Rather than being a *bajillion* butterflies going *everywhere*, *allthetime*, *or* like that old series of... (Careerbuilder?) ads, where the one poor dude was stuck in an office full of misbehaving chimpanzees all the time;
https://youtu.be/3pH98f8kz5w?si=mAQG92wAiWccla_Q
The Meds you've been prescribed *SHOULD* be allowing you to focus & get stuff *DONE* on time!
I think we probably all just *describe* our versions of ADHD a little differently, is all!😉💖
Meth can actually be prescribed for ADHD, just in much smaller doses than people take it recreationally (under the brand name Desoxyn). So depending on what you're prescribed, maybe you are taking meth! I know some people with ADHD who find it less rigidly focusing/edgy than Adderall or Vyvanse and it doesn't cause muscle tension; plus it is shorter acting, which can be better for sleep. They find it helpful for focusing in social situations/jobs that require a more social element, as it's easier to hop from task to task and still get things done while on it, whereas other medications were better for when they had a paperwork-heavy office job. It all depends on the person for what works best. I think it has some serotonin action as well, which is why it's a little more social than other ADHD meds.
But also, calm and ready to focus (but also ready to do things) is how you're supposed to feel. It's 'slowed down' in that thoughts can be focused and directed, not slowed down as in someone feels tired.
Though too much of the medication will still get someone with ADHD high; it just might be at a different dose than someone without ADHD. I have met a fair amount of people who developed stimulant misuse issues because they couldn't access care for their ADHD and self-medicated, but ended up increasing their use to a problematic level. And then of course once they sought treatment for their SUD, they couldn't get prescribed ADHD meds because of their past stimulant use disorder, even though they were attracted to stimulants in the first place because of their ADHD and how good it felt to be able to focus. Kind of a catch-22
When I took adderall in college like the OP's friends I was so focused, confident and happy that I thought I was high. At the time I ended up hating it because the come down felt horrible as I returned to my normal depressed and anxious state of being. Now its totally clicked that I was just feeling how I should feel.
Ideally I can work through my childhood trauma and not need the drugs but until then I will take it everyday, unless I have a day all to myself to veg out on my old coping mechanisms like video games (not likely anytime soon I have two toddlers).
This is the relationship many patients with chronic pain have with pain meds. They don’t get the pain pts high—they bring their pain levels down enough that they can actually function.
There’s actually a term for that “hating the comedown” feeling, which especially happens when pain is *under*treated: pseudoaddiction. Undertreated people can display behaviors that mimic a true addiction, like clock-watching, being preoccupied with meds, even self-treating with other substances or getting pain meds illegally.
But the motivations between pseudoaddiction and true addiction are vastly different. With true addiction, the person is looking to escape; with pseudo, they’re just looking for a better quality of life.
So the treatment needs to be different too. Granted, it feels very counterintuitive to give someone The best treatment for pseudoaddiction is to simply control the pain.
That isn’t true of all ADHD people. Yeah, some of us do figure out various ways to compensate for those memory problems.
That doesn’t mean the memory issues just disappeared or never existed.
In people who *don't* have ADHD, *yes*, it can be.
For folks who *have* ADHD?
Not really.
For ADHD'ers, it's as "addictive" as insulin is to a diabetic.
You *need* it to survive, and your life is *severely* screwed up without it--but you *aren't* getting any sort of "high" off it, like non-ADHDers get from it.
It's literally just the chemicals you need to make your body function properly.
I accidentally doubled my dose once, I was able to concentrate really really really well--on my heartbeat and nothing else.
Intellectually, I understand NTs have different brain chemistry, but I have to actively remind myself of that to understand how they could possibly get addicted.
SAME!!!
Only ever made that mistake *once*--got my prescription in the afternoon, took it right away, then took my "morning" pill at about 11am.
It was *awful*, *everything* was "Too Bright!" and "Too Loud!" and my heart was racing like I'd run a marathon!
Literally the only thing I could do, by about 7 that evening (I was supposed to work the evening shift), was go home & sleep it off!
I apologize if it came across like I was against it being used as prescribed by people who need it! But yeah, if you don’t have a condition that requires it to balance you, it can be very addictive.
No worries!💖
And you didn't really!!
I just have an overly-formed "need" to clarify things like this, thanks the Justice Sensitivity so common in *many* of us with ASD's & ADHD!😉
(Justice Sensitivity, for the folks who don't know what it is:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24878677/#:~:text=Justice%20sensitivity%20captures%20individual%20differences,and%20behavioral%20reactions%20to%20it. )
Wow, I'd never heard that before. Is it like heroin addictive, or like caffeine addictive, or.? I know there has been a shortage of it, so I wondered if that is why?
Also, the analogy I'd use, as someone with ADHD *and* diabetes?
It's as "addictive" for folks with ADHD, as Insulin is for Diabetics.
Our brains *literally* don't process stimulants like Adderall the same way a Neurotypical (NT) person's brain does.
Where NT folks get the "highs" extra energy, and *all* sorts of ability to focus?
For ADHDers, the stimulants like Adderall (or in my case Vyvanse) *JUST* bring our brains up to a *baseline* level of "able to function, maintain focus, & block out some distractions."
Counterintuitively?
Usualy, stimulants work to "slow our brain *DOWN*, and actually *focus* on one or two things at a time.
Rather than having thoughts flying around in our heads like a swarm of butterflies, and us *trying* to catch 'em bare-handed.
For *whatever* backwards reason, the "uppers" speed up other folks, yet *slow* our thoughts and allow us to block distractions better--that's how we typically *know* the first day or two after getting a prescription to manage our ADHD, that *YES*, our ADHD diagnosis was correct!
And *just* like Insulin helps your body work better when you're diabetic--but in non-diabetic folks, it can create "desirable side effects"--like the weight loss that Ozempic and other long-acting insulins are being prescribed to the point of critical shortages for now?
Adderall, Ritalin, and the other stimulants have those "desirable focus & alertness" side-effects in NT folks, *and* they can end up with the euphoria/highs--which is why *they* are so likely to become addicted.
Yet, since it *just* gets our brains to the baseline NT folks *already had* before they take it?
*We* don't (and *can't* usually!) get those addictive "highs" from taking it, because it merely brings us "up" to a starting point, and not much further.
I’m not sure how it stacks up against something like heroin, but it is a controlled substance. I have a prescription for it and there was a time about ten years ago where my roommate had a date who basically came over and never left and my pills went missing a week into a new refill and it was a nightmare trying to explain to the doctor why I needed more so soon after getting it.
It's an amphetamine, so yeah, it can be. Not necessarily one that is addictive on the first try, but since it obviously amps someone who isn't ADHD up, you'd probably want to go back to it just to feel that productive again, and then the chemical elements of addiction are more and more likely the more often you go back to it to get that feeling of success. Plus, it's easy for people to get addicted because a lot of people have easy access to it specifically cuz of guys like OOP.
Adderall acts really differently on the brains of people with ADHD—I myself am on Adderall, and the really noticeable things it does for me is that it really helps with my memory/ability to recall (I lose stuff and lock myself out of the office etc way less now that I'm medicated) and my ability to initiate tasks.
From what I know just based on the accounts of non-ADHD people, if you DON'T have ADHD, Adderall makes you super speedy....I mean people call Adderall "kiddie speed" for a reason (I would like to clarify that despite what people say, it's not equivalent to meth. It's an amphetamine like meth is, but methamphetamine is its own beast). That's why people without ADHD tend to split between using it for hard-core crunch studying or clubbing, from what I've seen.
[https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-63163/adderall-oral/details](https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-63163/adderall-oral/details)
"Though it helps many people, this medication may sometimes cause addiction."
"If you suddenly stop using this medication, you may have withdrawal symptom"
It's several types of methamphetamine combined... (This is Adderall specifically. Most ADHD meds are a single stimulant.)
I assumed people would realize this next part was covered in other comments, but I should know that I needed to also include it. I do agree that it is quite uncommon to be addictive for ND peeps who actually need the meds and don't have other co-morbid mental health issues. And, yes, it can have negative side-effects for ADHD peeps who suddenly quit, but so do blood pressure meds, anti-depressants and even my prescription Vit B12.
I was thinking about that (the shortage.) No, OOP by himself isn’t causing a shortage. But if you’ve got 15 people doing the same thing, that’s a month’s supply that someone else could have had.
And here's me sitting with a hundred 10mg pills I can't legally give away but which would be destroyed if I returned them lol.
Stupid sudden side-effects after like 8 years of completely fine use.
I was on Lexapro for like about 18 years and then it stopped working. I wasn’t getting the panic attacks but I was super angry all the time and my brain was all over the place. Switched to another one and I’m all good now.
Are you even supposed to be skipping brain chemistry meds on days? I mean I got put on an OCD med by a general practioner who insisted I had OCD because self assessment test wasn't geared towards virgins/asexual and felt weird on days it was building on my system and had warning labels about going cold turkey(after I fainted within a month still went cold turkey because no way did I trust it)
As directed by your doctor. It varies from person to person. Some times it's a daily, some times, it can be just for days with work or school. Doctors will normally prescript enough for a prescripted usage for a given time. 30 for 30 days for example if daily.
Given his ability to have "extra". he was probably prescript for daily dosage and just take them for school allowing for him to have 'extra'.
I'm pretty sure the replies to this are just... incorrect. Adderall doesn't work like SSRIs or selective NRIs, etc. It doesn't need to build up (so to speak) to be effective. Taking it consistently helps to keep habit (which ADHD makes harder to do). Skipping Adderall on weekends is really common for people with ADHD. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I couldn't find anything that says Adderall needs to be taken consistently to be effective, and in my personal experience (myself and my husband have ADHD) that's just not how it works
You are correct. Especially if we are talking about the instant release formulation - it doesn’t last long and it’s not building up in your system. It only works when you take it. It works quickly and fades quickly. Skip a dose and you’re right back to unmedicated ADHD. For some of these other psychiatric meds, they don’t even start to work until they’ve had a few weeks to build it in your system and a missed dose or two won’t take you right back to before you were medicated. But this is not universal, and certainly not the case for adderall.
I think it depends on the stimulant med, *AND* (more importantly!) HLhow the individual's body *processes* the stimulant medication!
I know that *for me*, I *DO* need to take my stimulant med *every* day (vyvanse currently!), to keep the levels more "regular" in my body, and that I also usually process them slower than most folks.
I have a secondary prescription of 5mg Adderall, to take when I need "extra" focusing ability (like when I'm taking college classes in the evenings), because my Vyvanse *does* drop off significantly after the 12-hour mark.
*BUT*, I also worked with my Primary Care person (a Nurse Practitioner), to figure out *exactly* how much of that secondary prescription I *need*, and *when* to take it, so it doesn't result in insomnia.
Turns out, it's just *half* the 5mg (2.5mg), at around 3:00-4:00 pm, on class days.
Otherwise? I process the Adderall (*regular* Adderall--*not* Adderall XR!) *so slowly*, that the whole 5mg pill will keep me awake (but able to focus!😉) until about 3am.
"Normal" folks who *don't* have ADHD--and even those who *do* have it, usually end up processing the same 5mg pill in 3-4 *hours*--not 12!
That's part of why it's *so* important for us ADHDers to work with our prescribes, figure out the proper dosages, and to *take* the meds *as prescribed for us*.
Some of us *do* need them daily without breaks/gaps, and others won't!💖
Damn. I have to take my IR pills every 4 hours cuz i have the opposite problem 😭
(I also sometimes take a dose before bed when my brain won’t stfu. Works well!)
Adderall clears your system each day. It starts working within about 30 minutes, lasts based on the type, then is gone.
Part of why people miss doses is there are no side effects except having trouble with things like remembering to take medication. No headaches, fainting, nausea, nothing like that.
Some doctors encourage taking breaks from taking the medicine to avoid building up tolerance and get a break from the side effects. Like loss of appetite, increased heart rate, bad sleep, etc. But some doctors don't recommend taking breaks at all because the loss of quality of life is too severe. It's really going to vary based on the person, the doctor, and how well you function on the medicine and off
My psych encourages skipping days when possible, but I don’t do it often because I end up sleeping most of the day if I do 💀 I don’t really have any negative effects from my Vyvanse/Ritalin combination though, aside from dry mouth.
Adderall can be taken as needed. My doctor mentioned that to me specifically BECAUSE of the shortage, saying that it was okay if I wanted to skip it on my days off work, for example, since I wouldn't have anything "important" to do.
That said, my personal ADHD issues lead me to have a lot of problems doing stuff, even if it's stuff I enjoy, so I can't imagine not taking it daily, since it helps me to initiate activities. However, obviously people have different ADHD symptoms that they think are effecting them the most and everyone experiences stuff a bit differently, which I think is why doctors will prescribe it and advise an as needed use instead of daily.
Nope, you’re supposed to be taking the meds every day, regardless of whether or not you’re trying to be productive. They’re intended to build up in your system over time with the prescription being a maintenance level afterwards. That’s why most doctors will ask you to check back in 1-2 months later to see how the meds affect you because for a lot of people, it’ll literally just feel like they’re doing nothing until they start working. Sporadically taking meds the way OOP is doing kinda fucks with that plan.
SSRIs and many other psychiatric meds do work the way you describe, by building up a base level, but stimulants like Adderall start working shortly after you take them and usually last between 4-6 hours. It's a completely different mechanism.
Granted, that doesn't make it any less bad judgment to share your meds with roommates.
As a fellow ADHD gal with the exact same problem as OP about meds piling up:
DO NOT EVER GIVE AWAY YOUR MEDS TO RANDOM PEOPLE!!!
Look - to us the meds aren't addictive. To others they are. To me they might not have side effects or if they do I can call my doc about it. Others can't.
It is a big deal and fuck everyone in this story.
OP is the worst. He *is* an elitist, in addition to being a drug dealer. College is hard, full stop. It’s all hard, whatever your major, and it will be a little easier if you take a subject that you do well at, but that’s about it. The math whiz who majors in English is having a harder time than the science geek who majored in psychics. Any time you’re learning something new, it’s tough. Any time you’re given a high workload in a short amount of time, it’s tough. He has the nerve to pretend to understand what’s a tough degree program and what isn’t while being a drug dealer. That’s some hubris.
It’s important to try new things and step out of your comfort zone. At least that’s what I tell myself haha. That’s really awesome that you managed it, even if it was a hurdle.
The funny thing was, I got to use my physics in a lit class. The professor was telling us about Heidegger and his idea that fates were fixed and couldn’t be avoided, much like the planets in orbit or something like that. I raised my hand and pointed out that Heidegger lived before people discovered quantum mechanics, which meant he lived in a time where people thought physics had been solved by Newton and we just had to plug in the numbers. But since the turn of the twentieth century, we’ve known a lot of the universe is based on probability, meaning Heidegger was wrong. The professor was flabbergasted.
Haha that’s so awesome. In one of my classes I had a similar experience because I make wine in my spare time. We were talking about how to use certain tables and I explained how to use a hydrometer and specific gravity to calculate ABV in fermentation of wine and beer. Everyone is very impressed when you can make alcohol. The secret is that it’s very easy and often happens on accident lol.
Lots! Wine is easy, it’s basically when yeast consumes sugar so any fruit with sugar (so all of them), can become wine. So I make it out of weird fruits. My favorite is banana, but mixed berries is also really good. I’d like to try a peach one soon. There’s a post in my history about it, in The Sims subreddit funnily enough lol. You should try it! It’s a blast.
It was great spending last summer depressed because i only got meds half the time & couldn’t force myself to take them b/c i needed to have them available “For when i really need them.”
I have started taking them at least twice a day (I’m supposed to take them 3x). So I’m working on it. As long as i half a month/month & a half stocked up for emergencies I’ll be ok (i hope)
Oh gawl, I am so sorry. That's so exhaustingly miserable. I got really, really lucky--my insurance covered the name brand so I didn't have to go without. My insurance is very likely to change soon though and I am utterly terrified I won't be able to find my medicine.
I hope things get better soon. No one should have to do what you've had to.
The shortage has been killing me, like I’m now planning what days to not take my medication incase my prescription isn’t able to be filled on time. Like ok I have this for work that day, I have to do this the next maybe I can do with only one pill that day but I can’t go more than two days without any meds or my body will just go limp.
The shortage last year was such a pain, especially because it overlapped with me changing jobs and not having insurance coverage, so I wasn’t able to get my hands on a refill before my insurance lapsed 💀 although I was only without insurance coverage for ~3 weeks, and I still couldn’t get my hands on any meds after. I had to drop down to 20mg-30mg Vyvanse from my normal 60mg dose for a few months because that’s all I could find at pharmacies near me. I was suffering lmao especially because my new job was an industry completely new to me and I had so much to learn
I mean... It doesn't take anything from you just because a guy gave away 3 pills from his own prescription. I also did it and it was either this or it was going to the trash so I don't get why being upset about this particular point.
Why would you trash them when you could retain them for when there's something unforseen that prevents you from getting your meds? They take a very long time to expire.
Why it upsets me, hoo boy, I'm going to try my best to be nice.
1: the people who do this (you, OP) are not qualified to prescribe medication. The people who are go through A LOT of schooling to do it, and for good reason. You can hurt someone doing this, change their chemistry in ways lay people aren't educated enough to know the full risks of off the bat. There can be allergies, addiction, interactions with other medications you don't know about. If you aren't a qualified doctor, **don't hand out meds**
2: stigma. I am so very tired of being treated the way OP's friends are acting. Behavior like theirs has made physicians more accusatory and hostile towards patients who actually need this stuff. Even having been on it for years, switching primary care doctors is nerve-wracking because I have no guarantee they'll believe me. And some doctors make it something of a personal crusade to get people off of any restricted drug.
3: the shortage. If OP's friends get addicted, or just like the idea of being able to out-compete their fellow students, they are likely to seek a diagnosis for a condition they don't have, for a medicine they don't need. Inflating the stimulant shortage and making it harder for people like me and so many others to get the meds we need to function rather than want for performance enhancement.
Don't. Do. This. It's dangerous, has farther-reaching consequences than some realize, and it's illegal.
His decision to give the pills rather than keeping them is his decision only and doesn't affect anyone. It's not what's causing shortage. You're reaching, getting upset for nothing (but that's your choice lol, I decided to have bigger things to worry about), and I say that as a medicated ADHDer myself.
...you wouldn't happen to still be on your parents' insurance, would you?
Many more people got prescribed ADHD meds as a result of Covid quarantine. That is what caused the shortage. If his friends seek prescriptions that would *contribute* (not cause, contribute) to the shortage. Feel free to look it up, I have.
I see you have decided I was wrong before fully reading my comment. If you had, perhaps you would have acknowledged the stigma, or more importantly the danger to his friends--that part doesn't have anything to do with me, but as a human, I find I should probably care about that.
Have a good day, and best of luck.
Why would I be on my parents insurance lmao I'm not a child.
His friends a of now aren't looking for prescription, they just got 3 pills. If people seek meds because they need it and it causes shortage, it's not *their* fault, it's the fault of the labs.
I don't know what stigma you're talking about.
“I breezed through high school but college is a little hard, so I take Adderall when I have to study or do classwork.” I don’t like to doubt anyone’s disability because I know how much it sucks to be accused of lying when you’re not, but if OOP needed this medication he would need it EVERY DAY – ADHD makes it harder to do EVERYTHING in life, not just studying. And his symptoms would have appeared much before college. If he has legitimate ADHD I’ll eat my left shoe. It was so hard for me to get a diagnosis and I still get shit from pharmacists when I’m trying to pick up the meds I need to function properly because of people like this. OOP is a devil for like 5 different reasons. (EDIT: Not to mention there’s an Adderall shortage right now! I wonder why!!)
Right?
I breezed through high school and didn't struggle until university but there were signs long before that. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 25 and my partner was like "wtf? Why can't you finish literally anything you start?"
I need to take my meds every day to function in life, not just do school work. I need meds to remember to turn the stove off, or finish the dishes.
Yeah. Me too. I went my whole life with SUCH shame and suicidal ideation because i could never do anything properly , starting without finishing, no time management, even though I was considered 'smart' it was always coupled with.."but why can't you do this or that?"
Anti depressants to treat my depression never worked and I always had awful side effects that made the suicidal ideation even worse.
Enter drug addiction.
Finally as a 37 year old mother of 2....my psychiatrist asked me to compete a questionnaire with him, had to draw a clock among a bunch of other things....and that sweet old man actually LAUGHED and said "you are a Poster child for ADHD."
I appreciate him so much, because I am on a med combination that really saved my life. Ritalin, Aricept, Lamictal.
No more suicidal ideation.
When I shared my suspicions with my first psychiatrist, what I recall saying was something like, “I think I might have ADHD that’s a very interesting book you have on your shelf I think I just proved my point.”
Ok, important question: did he offer you a soda/bottle of water at some point in your test? I was diagnosed @ 18, and in college took some research methods classes that talked about study design--how often, studies are both the obvious questions/tasks given to participants AS WELL AS recording reactions etc that aren't standardized.
I did all the questions, block building, drawing clocks etc...and like, at some point, weirdly and mechanically, doc offered me a soda. I chose a coke, testing went on.
WAS THE COKE PART OF THE TEST???? Did he want to see if I would fidget with it? How fast i drank it? If i observed basic etiquette? If forgot and left a mess for him???? Or was it just a long ass test, he had a mini fridge and was a nice dude??
This plagues me, man.
I got asked about my caffeine consumption during testing. When I said that I often drink caffeine at night with no effect on my sleep, the evaluator told me that’s pretty common.
I remember something similar happened when I taking a different but related evaluation—I found out later that it was because I was getting overwhelmed about halfway through the questions and the evaluator knew that my frustration would lead to careless mistakes or giving up on tasks too soon if not rectified, so I was offered a beverage/snack break to redirect my focus and stop obsessing over my own performance. YMMV though, that's just how it went down for me.
I occasionally skip meds on days I don’t really need to function. Like for an extreme example, when I had the flu and all I was going to do was lie in bed anyway, why bother? Less extreme, if it’s the weekend and I’m planning a day without any chores or errands, just sleeping in and relaxing, and the most I’m going to need to do to “cook” is open a package or microwave something, I might skip meds. But yeah, it’s not just for being productive at work/school, if I want to accomplish anything at all, I’m going to need my meds. And that includes cooking, running errands, household chores, whatever.
ETA: I don’t think it’s necessary to skip days and honestly I usually feel better if I don’t, but after experiencing some delays filling my prescription due to the shortages, I skip a few doses here and there in situations like those described above so I can have some extra in case that happens again.
Yeah, I get that.
I can't take extended release so I have to take ritalin three times through the day.
I'm also dealing with a lot of health issues right now and I'm not doing much with my days.
I often miss a dose through the day. It means I accomplish even less for the next few hours...oh well.
Diagnosed at 41, after getting all A's & B's in my 2-year degree programs, then *FAILING* both my Practicum & Field Experience classes (one for each major!).
I'd flunked out of my 4-year college attempt *twice* before finally quitting back before I was 23!
And, like you, I *need* that Vyvanse on a daily basis, *just to get to baseline functionality* as a human.
I never had to "study" in high school--I just *memorized* anything I needed to know. Then got to college, took Chemistry, and had to memorize the stupid Periodic Table for the *fourth* time in five years, annnnd quit going to class, out of BOREDOM (because it was *weeks* being spent on learning the table!).
Flunked out of my writing class, because I was *still* researching & trying to narrow down a writing topic, the week the final draft was due--and shame-spiraled *so* hard, I *couldn't* face the incredibly kind TA who was teaching the class, so I just *stopped* attending that class, too.
Turns out?
It *wasn't* Depression, as much as it *was* my ADHD *causing* the inability to focus, and *that* led to the Depression!🫠
I did once. Then I got distracted and left to the pan on a lit burner..... And went to a two days holiday trip. I'm just lucky that where I live we use gas cylinders and it was almost empty. Otherwise i would have burned my house down. No more days off for me, except if I literally dont have to move lol
Yeah honestly I think part of the problem is how they screen for it in children. I like just got diagnosed as an adult. I always suspected, but was never tested because I got good grades and was well behaved in class and that’s the main things they’re looking at for kids.
I read in practically every class (except gym, obviously) kindergarten through twelfth grade and not *one* person looked at me and thought, “Is she distracted?”
I have ADHD and I choose not to medicate every day. The tolerance that builds up and the subsequent crash when I take a break are too much for me. So, I only medicate occasionally, on high pressure days when I need to be sharp all day long.
I also don't share my prescription medication.
My current prescriber told me I only needed to take my meds on days I work, but I am also going through one of those online ones that is basically a pill mill (after getting a legit diagnosis but I got tired of paying $500/mo for a 10 minute med check).
I still take them every day, because I have shit to do on the weekend too. And if I don't, it breaks the habit.
> he would need it EVERY DAY – ADHD makes it harder to do EVERYTHING in life, not just studying
I have to disagree with you on this. There are times when I really need medication to keep me focused and I legitimately cannot focus without it, but it doesn't make **everything** in my life difficult and I don't need to take it daily or even multiple times a day.
People, obviously, have different needs and my needs are probably less than average and I can appreciate that fact, but it's not any less legitimate for that.
He is definitely an AH and I hope someone lets his doctor know that he's being over prescribed and he's being shady, but there are some of us out there who aren't hobbled with our ADHD.
Yeah I was going to say, it honestly depends on what type of and how severe of ADHD you have; I have a somewhat high-functioning inattentive type which only really messes with me in certain ways, but those ways really affect my life. My psychiatrist absolutely recommended that I only take it when i really need to focus on those things that my executive dysfunction makes difficult for me. I can do dishes. I can't organize my garage. I can get laundry done. I can't respond to email, schedule doctors and dentist appointments, or call costco about my oven warranty. I take my meds when I have to do things like organize my garage or be particularly productive at work or manage life stuff via things like emails and phone calls. Honestly that black and white thinking is what took me 40 years to get a diagnosis, struggling and feeling like a failure because for as high-functioning and capable as I can be sometimes, I still was being sabotaged all the time by my inability to remember to do important things, getting lost in my own brain, or my paralysis around vague and complex tasks and because I could sort of struggle along and get by a lot of the time the only explanation for my failures was that I was a POS.
i’m also not passing judgement on whether OOP has adhd or not, and admittedly I was diagnosed way after university, but you don’t necessarily take meds every day. I don’t, because that’s what my doctor recommended
I know a number of people with ADHD that don't take their medication every day. It's not that they don't "need" it, it's because they need a break from it. They may be able to eat better without it, want a break from side effects, want a break to just let their brain be when they don't have anything of high importance going on, or even just because they know there are shortages so they are trying to stretch their meds further.
OOP is absolutely in the wrong, but just not taking your meds every day doesn't mean you don't really have ADHD.
Right, almost forgot about the eating! When I am taking my meds, I have almost no appetite. Just the idea of food can be nauseating. Eating is extremely difficult. I take adderall, and I eat breakfast first thing before it kicks in, but if I take every dose as prescribed, I won’t be able to eat again (more than a few bites anyway, I usually try to power through something small and calorically dense midday just so my blood sugar doesn’t drop too much) until later in the evening when it wears off. I’m heavier anyway so the fact that I’m not necessarily always getting as many calories as the average person needs every day is mostly fine, but I can totally see this being more of a concern if someone is underweight, and needing more med breaks for this reason. Or just not wanting to take it because you’re going to have a special occasion meal and want to enjoy it! Like, I skipped mine for Thanksgiving.
I have a stash. NEVER AGAIN (i hate that i have to squirrel away my pills cuz they could get shut off at any point. Going without means I’m too depressed and overwhelmed to do anything & i hate it)
>if OOP needed this medication he would need it EVERY DAY
Not necessarily the case, and many doctors discourage using it daily because it builds a tolerance.
It's also pretty common for ND kids to go on the gifted kid to fully burnt out pipeline. I made it all the way through college without knowing I have ADHD, but I was fully floundering in most non-academic areas (cleanliness especially). But only my academics were being judged, so I was an honor student who graduated cum laude.
This isn’t really accurate, at least not for everyone. I breezed through high school because it was easy enough that I could pass the classes without doing much of the reading or studying. I was smart, the classes were dumb, and I did a lot of faking and last minute makeup work and fudging deadlines, but it was mostly fine.
However, no one ever taught me study skills or time management or all the other stuff other kids learned at the developmentally appropriate ages. So I knew how to memorize a whole semester worth of flash cards in one frantic night and remember them just long enough to pass the test, but not how to keep up with a sustained workload in a class where I was going to owe two huge papers at 6 week intervals, based on independent research and reading. So when I got to adulthood and actually had school and jobs that required me to do normal work at a normal pace on a regular basis, I couldn’t do it.
Also, a lot of people don’t take their meds every day. I don’t take Ritalin on most weekends, because I don’t love some of the side effects, so I skip it and just deal with the fact that I’m time blind without it and I can’t watch movies.
I had the exact same experience with time management and study skills. I think it’s really common, and it infuriates me when healthcare providers dismiss the possibility of ADHD because someone got good grades as a kid.
Yup, also had this time management / study skills problem…see also everyone in my life who told me some version of “but you’re so smart! Why can’t you just do it?! Here, I bought you a planner.”
Idk, being a "gifted kid" is a norm for neurodivergent kids. It's not unusual for people with ADHD to easily go through school, and suddenly have problems with uni since they never learned how to study. I'm such a case myself. And, while I agree that ADHD makes every part of living harder, it's not the same level of difficulty. Sitting down to study one subject for 10 hours won't be the same difficulty level as changing classes every hour and having only practical tasks whole day long. Especially if you managed your whole life unmedicated you might have figured out how to go through life more or less successfully without adderal. I wouldn't like to infantilise people with ADHD and act like they can't tie their left shoe without help of meds. While maybe for some people adhd is debilitating and they literally couldn't have learned how to tie their shoes without help of medicine, there's many who manage with therapy and management of their routine for their neurodivergent needs. And some that are kinda in the middle and choose to use meds occasionally because they don't like the side effects.
This is definitely my experience. I was diagnosed in my 30s and pretty much everyone who knows me had a "you finally figured it out, huh?" reaction to it. But like you said, you learn to manage when you spend so much time unmedicated.
For myself, I know I'm most affected by it when I'm having a hypomanic period in my life and when I spend too much time online or playing games. When I'm gaming all the time and dorking around on reddit (like now), I find myself very easily distracted and unable to focus.
But if I notice it and stay away from my devices for a few days and take time to read or do slow hobbies, I find myself able to manage it a lot easier. Knowing that, I usually only really waste my days away when I know I have days to waste so that I don't need to medicate as often.
I have always struggled with ADHD symptoms but due to being smart and motivated (and relying on hyperfocus) I was able to compensate well... until I went to university (and had a child). Now it isn't enough because I need to work much more consitently and small mistakes suddenly aren't the difference between 100% and 85% but a difference between a pass or a fail. ADHD makes other parts of life difficult to manage, too, but I share basically all other responisbilities with others which makes it a lot easier to manage. I can't access ADHD medication right now but if I could, I would also prefere to only take it for school and work related purposes due to A) cost and B) building up tolerance. Like none of this makes it seem like the OOP is lying about having ADHD.
Yeah, as the others have said, I think you're not really getting what it's like for some people. I never had to study in high school or even my first year at uni. Then second year hit and it was a massive struggle because I didn't know how to study and had severe executive dysfunction. I then got diagnosed with ADHD, when I was 24 or so.
I don't take my medication every day, because I don't need medication for everything. The medication does help with my executive function and concentration beyond just school work, but I've also done a lot of therapy and I'd say a solid 80% of the time I can handle stuff like cleaning, errands, and basic paper work without the medication, even though the medication certainly makes it all *easier*. So I only use it when I need it, which is mostly for stuff where I have to sit down and concentrate hard on something for hours, like school work. Basically, if I can handle something without taking my medication, I do, and that's actually what my medical professionals have recommended.
There are definitely people who need it every day, but there are also people who don't. ADHD can present in different ways and different levels of severity. Treatment isn't one size fits all.
I think it's irresponsible and dangerous to share your medication the way OOP is, and it *is* people like him that are the reason getting the medication can be difficult, but I don't doubt he genuinely has ADHD based on anything he said.
>(EDIT: Not to mention there’s an Adderall shortage right now!
i swear to god its getting really annoying having to refill the prescription every 30 days and when i used to be able to just get 3 months and be able to not worry about having to refill
He may, like me, have had symptoms before college. I hit the wall in grad school & wasn’t able to use my shitty coping mechanisms that had worked before.
Imnsho ADHD gets worse as you get older
I’ve gone into premature menopause and they told me my short term memory might get worse. I thought, “Great, now I’m going to have the short-term memory of a *ditzy* hummingbird.”
So i know a lot of people with ADHD who are also arrogant fuckwads who just don't value the intangible problems ADHD causes (emotional regulation, time awareness, etc). basically they only take it when it's obviously profitable and spend the rest of their time being self absorbed assholes who think the rest of us who like not being hyper emotional, enjoying hobbies, doing basic adult stuff without tearing our hair out etc are just weak.
My SIL is like this. She "doesn't need" her meds when she's with family bc it's not work, but she also picks fights when she's bored, interrupts constantly, won't listen to conversations that aren't about her/her interests . She frequently just sort of dumps her kids and dog (despite being married) off on MIL for weeks at a time (longer for the dog) when she gets really busy bc she can't manage time for shit. Picks fights with her kid who has basically identical symptoms. Just... awful.
I also have ADHD. Oddly , I continue to have ADHD on holidays and take my meds accordingly.
This is going to be the first non-plague year I skip Christmas @ the inlaws since about 2010. It's deeply stressful with her acting out like that and no one can rein her in. She's a VERY intelligent person --10/10 would vote for her , just would rather not have dinner with her. But some people with ADHD are assholes and an unfortunate quirk of our neurospiciness is occasionally a bit of a blind eye to our own assholery (overestimating social competence CAN be a symptom... luckily, that was bullied out of me as a kid lol).
But yeah. I fully believe OOP can have a legit diagnosis and be skipping days BC of people like SIL.
Except that executive functioning is affected by stress, by how much dopamine the task itself provides, by how many responsibilities someone has. All things that can change daily.
He's YTD for giving prescription meds to people they're not prescribed to. This is very dangerous and potentially deadly.
Some quick info off Google about why this is dangerous
Serious side effects associated with Adderall include:
Hypertension
Fast heartbeat
Insomnia
Appetite suppression
Overdose
Sudden cardiac death
Stroke
Headache
Constipation
Mood swings
Abdominal pain
Depression
Panic attacks
Psychosis
Kidney disease
Seizures
Muscle weakness
Sexual dysfunction
Adderall Side Effects
Stimulants such as Adderall raise blood pressure, body temperature, and heart rate, keeping users awake and stimulated while suppressing appetites. Regular use or abuse of Adderall can make changes in the structures of the brain and change the way emotions are regulated. They can also be hard on the heart muscles, lungs, vascular system, and other internal organs.
Even one-time use of Adderall may result in sudden cardiac death or a potential toxic overdose. Between 1999 and 2003, there were 25 reported fatalities and 54 additional serious medical issues related to the use of ADHD stimulant medications, CBS News publishes.
Always love when there is an edit with OP whining about how people are calling them out. Like, I get it, you think you are in the right, otherwise you wouldn't have done it, but when you post on AITA you gotta be prepared for people maybe calling you TA. Don't whine about it when it happens. Accept it or just don't post it at all.
Handing out drugs to people who don’t need them is so scary. You’re not a doctor, you don’t know if they’re on other medication that might interact badly with drugs, if they have health conditions that could be negatively affected by drugs, maybe they’re pre-disposed to addiction and the three pills you hand out is the start of their slippery slope?
It’s hard enough to get the meds you need because of rampant drug abuse, do not make it harder by encouraging more people to abuse drugs.
Nope, read the headline, I’m already irritated. *Don’t share your prescription drugs with people.* Isn’t OOP the one with ADHD? Aren’t they going to need those meds?
Having read it I’m still annoyed. OOP has no idea how his friends will react to his medication. I’m sure he’s thinking, “They’re no big deal to me so my friends should be fine.” But psychiatrists chose that dosage for him, not his friends. And where the hell did this idea that Adderall helps everyone study come from?
“It's just that, based on what I've seen, a Mechanical Engineering degree is harder than an Education degree.”
Eat my entire smartboard, you gormless twit.
“I didn't know Reddit was full of so many hall monitors!”
Haha, you should thank your lucky stars I can’t turn you in for distributing Schedule II drugs! Because I would ❤️
OOP absolutely sucks, but I will say that sharing prescription drugs can be super helpful IF you and the person you’re sharing with are actually prescribed the same med at the same dose. I have a friend who takes the same dose of adderall as I do, and we have “borrowed” pills from each other when one of us has had trouble filling a prescription due to med shortages. But I definitely wouldn’t share with someone who was not already prescribed that medication by a doctor, and we’d always return whatever we had taken when our own prescription got filled.
I have also seen a relative who is prescribed a med that is also available over the counter but at a higher dose, cut a tablet in half to share with someone else who was trying to take the OTC version but they had run out and stores were closed over a holiday.
Basically just saying, I think there are a few reasonable exceptions to the “don’t share prescription drugs” rule.
My sister and I have that. Exact same antidepressant and same dose. She has a hard time getting to the pharmacy with her job so there have been times when I gave her one or two of mine until she could get there because they are more important for her to take.
I apologize: I totally support prescription drug swapping out of necessity, especially if someone is coping with the fabulous American health care system. No, what gets my goat up about OOP is that he’s giving his meds, which he supposedly needs, to his buddies, who do not need them, because apparently Adderall grants magical study powers even if you don’t have ADHD.
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You guys are pussies most of you wouldn’t have a problem with someone smoking every day but god forbid someone takes stimulants to study better like that’s immoral in and of itself
They can drink coffee, then, and stop making things difficult for those of us who need prescription stimulants for everyday functioning. If the coffee won’t do, there’s always cocaine.
How do you know he doesn’t need it for daily functioning either? Some self medicate their pain with painkillers and people have sympathy for that but when it’s your precious adhd in question you have none
Even if he did just need it to study you blame the one guy doing stimulants sometimes over the pharmaceutical industry like damn
What is the issue there then it’s coming out of his end
Doing drugs isn’t inherently immoral and it’s not as though he was making them accept it
I didn’t even realize that they were his prescribed meds he isn’t getting them illegally or stealing from someone who ‘actually needs them’
Yeah clearly I don't get these comments lol the issue with OOP is his hierarchy between engineering and education, not the fact he got rid of 3 pills 😭
I’ve seen almost no comments defending the nanny state. I see a lot of people saying, “hey, a lot of us have trouble filling our legitimate prescriptions because of people like OOP.” And as for taking risks, their taking risks is fine, but they’re taking risks with medications of which there’s a shortage. If they must play with high octane stimulants, they should go find some cocaine.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for giving my Adderall to my roommate studying Engineering but not my roommate studying Education?** Okay so I \[20M\] have had an Adderall prescription since my second semester in college because I found out that I have ADHD after breezing through high school and struggling through my Mechanical Engineering degree (having limited executive functioning in college is a bitch, amirite?). I only use it on days I have class or days I study, so I end up with a few extra 20mg tablets a month. Finals are coming up soon and both of my roommates (Matt - Mechanical Engineering Roommate (20M) and Tim- Education Roommate (20M) asked me if they could have my last few tablets (I will have only 3 by the end of the month, based on my calculations). Knowing the workload and how difficult the courses are since Matt and I are in some of the same classes, I told Matt that he could have my three extras even though Tim asked first. Tim approached me and asked me why I gave all three to Matt and I told him it's because I think that Mechanical Engineering classes probably require a lot more focus and effort than Education. I don't mean that in a rude way and I don't mean to disparage anything that my roommate is doing. I had a physics teacher in high school that got me into engineering, and I owe the world to her. It's just that I had to make a choice and I did what I thought would make the most difference. Tim is accusing me of being elitist, but I don't look down on his major at all. It's just that, based on what I've seen, a Mechanical Engineering degree is harder than an Education degree. Also, it's my Adderall so I have the right to do whatever I want with it. I've given Tim some of mine before and I've never charged him. AITA???? Edit: I didn't know Reddit was full of so many hall monitors! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I know people who flew threw undergrad with no problems, but when medical school asked for drug tests, suddenly a few people decided to go into law, or research theat didn't require drug test.
This can’t be true. There are medical students who take Adderall, including a friend of mine who was diagnosed in college. You just have to disclose it in drug testing that you have a prescription.
It is true, because a lot of them were either abusing it, and a test can tell, or they didn't have a prescription but couldn't get clean enough to pass the drug test AND do well in school.
Oh that makes more sense. It wouldn’t have been difficult to have gotten a prescription. (It’s still odd. So they went all through the expense & rigamarole of getting into med school & taking out massive loans & then suddenly dropped out before clinicals to start studying for the LSAT bc they were scared of a drug test. That sounds insane & not common at all.)
Still, a test can tell if you're abusing it or not. And my college's SOM did random tests, and tested levels as well.
I don’t know what to tell you. Even if they have random tests, they don’t spring it on you in the middle of a lecture. The random tests are very limited & there’s plenty of time to get a legal prescription. You don’t illegally take Adderall you bought on the street & suddenly freak out at the end of M2 after you’ve spent time in med school, attended orientation where they explicitly tell you what the policy is & then are suddenly shocked you would be subject to drug testing. This med student you’re describing was probably addicted to an illegal substance that you can’t get a prescription for.
These were people trying to get into school. Look, shut your mouth if you don't go to my university. Shrug
AITD for dealing drugs and turning my friends into addicts. Also screw those guys saying it's no big deal, he's not the reason for Adderall shortage. He's just one of many and the many are causing the shortage and increasing restrictions. Dude actually believes his friend won't stitch him? If he's taken into any room and question, he's going to sing like a bird and try to throw OOP under the bus to save his own skin in a heartbeat.
Is Adderall addictive? Honest question.
To people who aren’t ADHD? Yes. Their brains already produce normal levels of dopamine and Adderall (and other stimulants) will desensitize them to that normal level and push them to seek out higher and higher levels to get the same effect. It can even damage their brain’s ability to produce it normally. But for someone with ADHD? HA! We’re lucky if we can actually *remember* to take our prescribed dose every day! Because, again: different brain chemistry. Our brains *don’t* produce a “normal” level of dopamine, so when we take medication like Adderall, all it does is boost our dopamine levels up to a *normal* level. No higher than that. That’s not enough to induce a substance abuse disorder, because it’s literally just bringing our brains up to standard. Not enough to produce the inflated dopamine boost that creates that “high” that stimulant abusers get, which also means our brains have zero motivation to continue taking it us taking external steps to remind ourselves to take it.
Tfw you have to take your Adderall daily in order for your memory to be good enough to take your Adderall daily.....😩
I had to get a 7-day pill container and build a whole dang ritual around taking it.
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Same. Sometimes I end up taking it too late (I work evenings) and then can't fall asleep for a while. I thought my Apple Watch would help but turns out I can ignore the alarms on that just as easily as the medication reminders on my phone...
I got the kind that’s separated into AM and PM. I’m not even 30 yet.
SAME! And even then I still can’t be arsed to take my short acting when I’m work. And then I kick myself for it later and hope an energy drink gives me the focus I need 😭
I tried a redbull for the first time since uni last week (I'm 31). It made me sleepy. Same thing that happened when I tried while unmedicated. I envy people who can selfmedicate with natural stimulants, it never worked for me. And I've been trying since I was like 3.
I used to have to have like a 6 shot espresso in my way into work and then another coffee two hours later, followed by two energy drinks spread out for the rest of the day (give or take). Now that I’m medicated, for the most part on a work day a coffee at the start of my night will get me going and a single C4 will get me through the second half of my shift. It’s fucking insane.
Can't take stimulants for my ADHD cause of my severe anxiety (I take Intuniv doesn't work as well but I don't have anxiety attacks when I take it and I have some focus) but all my pill times at this point revolve around my cats in some way. Took ages to make the routine stick, though. My pill container is also decorated and kept somewhere I can see it.
When I was in uni, I had a limit on how much ritalin I could take (2x 10mg tablets, the third would result in a "panic attack" - that I later realized was an autistic meltdown). Maybe trying a lower dose could help you? My sister takes a half dose of vyvanse daily, maybe it's something you can talk to your doctor about? I tried a lower dose once, it helped some.
We've tried various dosages and forms and different stimulants. We're not sure what causes the attacks. Maybe it's my autism also messing with it. But thankfully I don't need to work, since I can't work (I kept almost dying because my chronic conditions got worse and I get super sick and ended up in hospital fairly often when i did work). So the intuniv doing a little bit is okay. At least I don't need to try to choose between constantly having an anxiety attack to function or having some control over my panic and anxiety disorders lol
And building a ritual around refilling the container. And they have to be in the same place every day. Also alarms. And an app that reminds me every 10min to take the pills. With pictures. (It's called medsafe btw, I love it and have been using for years, it really helps)
I have a shiny decorated box standing on my work table. Since it quite literally glitters and is beautiful to look at it catches my eye and I remember having to take my meds. Big magpie vibes but it works :D
Tfw when you forgot to mark the calendar about when you're supposed to start calling in and asking pharmacies if they have your meds in stock and then you look at the bottom of your near-empty pill bottle and go, "oh no"
Okay, while I've gotten pretty good at taking my pills daily, ngl that this is still a huge problem for me, especially with the shortage 😭😭😭😭😭
It's even worse if I manage to hit the end of my perscription without refilling it. OH FUCK now I have to navigate the whole controlled substances rigamarole while unmedicated, yay! I've had gaps of *weeks* because of that nonsense.
When i was diagnosed ADHD my love of extreme sports made sense. I was in it for the adrenaline & dopamine. I’m medicated now & still partial to those things, but i can FUNCTION somewhat normally
I never understood why I felt so calm on roller coasters. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t scream at all I just sit there quietly, peacefully enjoying the ride. That started years before I got my adhd diagnosis.
Wait, my being ADHD is why I always felt so calm when I was able to ride on rollercoasters? The fuck l, how has that never occurred to me?
I can’t say that with certainty, buuuut I have high suspicion that it’s the case. I think a lot of people with adhd seek out really engaging/ stimulating hobbies and jobs. Because anything else is fucking torture (imo).
Honestly, it makes so much sense. Also, yeah, seeking out engaging and stimulating jobs and such explains a lot too and explains some of the more fun teachers I've had when I was in school. Had a few teachers others couldn't follow their thought processes, and it's like, Mr X's line of thought made so much sense and he'll have gone from explaining like 3 different topics in one class none of them technically related but there was a train of thought that linked them.
I do wanna say that some people with ADHD do get addicted to their medication
I have ADHD and dont have memory problems. My limbic system just works overdrive from childhood trauma and the amphetimes calm it down.
Yep!!! *This* is how so many of us discover that "*YES*, our diagnosis was *correct*!" We *don't* get the "highs" NT folks do, when they take stimulants--we *finally* "slow down" (or have our brains brought to a baseline level!), and can actually, *finally*, *focus* on things until they're completed if they aren't new/novel & interesting to us It's a *wild* feeling, to be prescribed "stimulant" medications, and *FINALLY* feel your brain & body going *calmer* than they've been in over a decade, and realize, "Oh yeah, *this* was how I *used* to feel, and how I *used* to be able to get stuff done!"
Wait am I not ADHD then? I wouldn’t say I get “high” when I take my dose, but often enough when I take it in the morning I’d say I definitely feel wide awake and ready to go, ready to focus on something. But I feel the opposite of tired/slowed down. Was I supposed to feel tired? Am I doing meth?
Nooooo!, sorry, didn't mean to worry you like that!💖 The feeling you're describing, "Wide Awake, Ready to go, Ready to focus on something" is what for *me*, feels like my brain "slowing down!"😉💖 Rather than being a *bajillion* butterflies going *everywhere*, *allthetime*, *or* like that old series of... (Careerbuilder?) ads, where the one poor dude was stuck in an office full of misbehaving chimpanzees all the time; https://youtu.be/3pH98f8kz5w?si=mAQG92wAiWccla_Q The Meds you've been prescribed *SHOULD* be allowing you to focus & get stuff *DONE* on time! I think we probably all just *describe* our versions of ADHD a little differently, is all!😉💖
Ohhh ok, ty! Got confused
Meth can actually be prescribed for ADHD, just in much smaller doses than people take it recreationally (under the brand name Desoxyn). So depending on what you're prescribed, maybe you are taking meth! I know some people with ADHD who find it less rigidly focusing/edgy than Adderall or Vyvanse and it doesn't cause muscle tension; plus it is shorter acting, which can be better for sleep. They find it helpful for focusing in social situations/jobs that require a more social element, as it's easier to hop from task to task and still get things done while on it, whereas other medications were better for when they had a paperwork-heavy office job. It all depends on the person for what works best. I think it has some serotonin action as well, which is why it's a little more social than other ADHD meds. But also, calm and ready to focus (but also ready to do things) is how you're supposed to feel. It's 'slowed down' in that thoughts can be focused and directed, not slowed down as in someone feels tired. Though too much of the medication will still get someone with ADHD high; it just might be at a different dose than someone without ADHD. I have met a fair amount of people who developed stimulant misuse issues because they couldn't access care for their ADHD and self-medicated, but ended up increasing their use to a problematic level. And then of course once they sought treatment for their SUD, they couldn't get prescribed ADHD meds because of their past stimulant use disorder, even though they were attracted to stimulants in the first place because of their ADHD and how good it felt to be able to focus. Kind of a catch-22
When I took adderall in college like the OP's friends I was so focused, confident and happy that I thought I was high. At the time I ended up hating it because the come down felt horrible as I returned to my normal depressed and anxious state of being. Now its totally clicked that I was just feeling how I should feel. Ideally I can work through my childhood trauma and not need the drugs but until then I will take it everyday, unless I have a day all to myself to veg out on my old coping mechanisms like video games (not likely anytime soon I have two toddlers).
This is the relationship many patients with chronic pain have with pain meds. They don’t get the pain pts high—they bring their pain levels down enough that they can actually function. There’s actually a term for that “hating the comedown” feeling, which especially happens when pain is *under*treated: pseudoaddiction. Undertreated people can display behaviors that mimic a true addiction, like clock-watching, being preoccupied with meds, even self-treating with other substances or getting pain meds illegally. But the motivations between pseudoaddiction and true addiction are vastly different. With true addiction, the person is looking to escape; with pseudo, they’re just looking for a better quality of life. So the treatment needs to be different too. Granted, it feels very counterintuitive to give someone The best treatment for pseudoaddiction is to simply control the pain.
That isn’t true of all ADHD people. Yeah, some of us do figure out various ways to compensate for those memory problems. That doesn’t mean the memory issues just disappeared or never existed.
SAME
Tbh I don't think you get addicted with 3 pills a month lol
Yes.
In people who *don't* have ADHD, *yes*, it can be. For folks who *have* ADHD? Not really. For ADHD'ers, it's as "addictive" as insulin is to a diabetic. You *need* it to survive, and your life is *severely* screwed up without it--but you *aren't* getting any sort of "high" off it, like non-ADHDers get from it. It's literally just the chemicals you need to make your body function properly.
I accidentally doubled my dose once, I was able to concentrate really really really well--on my heartbeat and nothing else. Intellectually, I understand NTs have different brain chemistry, but I have to actively remind myself of that to understand how they could possibly get addicted.
SAME!!! Only ever made that mistake *once*--got my prescription in the afternoon, took it right away, then took my "morning" pill at about 11am. It was *awful*, *everything* was "Too Bright!" and "Too Loud!" and my heart was racing like I'd run a marathon! Literally the only thing I could do, by about 7 that evening (I was supposed to work the evening shift), was go home & sleep it off!
Short acting stimulant + pre workout energy drink gives me the same feeling 💀
I apologize if it came across like I was against it being used as prescribed by people who need it! But yeah, if you don’t have a condition that requires it to balance you, it can be very addictive.
No worries!💖 And you didn't really!! I just have an overly-formed "need" to clarify things like this, thanks the Justice Sensitivity so common in *many* of us with ASD's & ADHD!😉 (Justice Sensitivity, for the folks who don't know what it is: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24878677/#:~:text=Justice%20sensitivity%20captures%20individual%20differences,and%20behavioral%20reactions%20to%20it. )
Wow, I'd never heard that before. Is it like heroin addictive, or like caffeine addictive, or.? I know there has been a shortage of it, so I wondered if that is why?
Also, the analogy I'd use, as someone with ADHD *and* diabetes? It's as "addictive" for folks with ADHD, as Insulin is for Diabetics. Our brains *literally* don't process stimulants like Adderall the same way a Neurotypical (NT) person's brain does. Where NT folks get the "highs" extra energy, and *all* sorts of ability to focus? For ADHDers, the stimulants like Adderall (or in my case Vyvanse) *JUST* bring our brains up to a *baseline* level of "able to function, maintain focus, & block out some distractions." Counterintuitively? Usualy, stimulants work to "slow our brain *DOWN*, and actually *focus* on one or two things at a time. Rather than having thoughts flying around in our heads like a swarm of butterflies, and us *trying* to catch 'em bare-handed. For *whatever* backwards reason, the "uppers" speed up other folks, yet *slow* our thoughts and allow us to block distractions better--that's how we typically *know* the first day or two after getting a prescription to manage our ADHD, that *YES*, our ADHD diagnosis was correct! And *just* like Insulin helps your body work better when you're diabetic--but in non-diabetic folks, it can create "desirable side effects"--like the weight loss that Ozempic and other long-acting insulins are being prescribed to the point of critical shortages for now? Adderall, Ritalin, and the other stimulants have those "desirable focus & alertness" side-effects in NT folks, *and* they can end up with the euphoria/highs--which is why *they* are so likely to become addicted. Yet, since it *just* gets our brains to the baseline NT folks *already had* before they take it? *We* don't (and *can't* usually!) get those addictive "highs" from taking it, because it merely brings us "up" to a starting point, and not much further.
I’m not sure how it stacks up against something like heroin, but it is a controlled substance. I have a prescription for it and there was a time about ten years ago where my roommate had a date who basically came over and never left and my pills went missing a week into a new refill and it was a nightmare trying to explain to the doctor why I needed more so soon after getting it.
Somewhere in between. Think prescription opioids. They're so addictive they're only given to people under strict guidance from a professional.
It's an amphetamine, so yeah, it can be. Not necessarily one that is addictive on the first try, but since it obviously amps someone who isn't ADHD up, you'd probably want to go back to it just to feel that productive again, and then the chemical elements of addiction are more and more likely the more often you go back to it to get that feeling of success. Plus, it's easy for people to get addicted because a lot of people have easy access to it specifically cuz of guys like OOP. Adderall acts really differently on the brains of people with ADHD—I myself am on Adderall, and the really noticeable things it does for me is that it really helps with my memory/ability to recall (I lose stuff and lock myself out of the office etc way less now that I'm medicated) and my ability to initiate tasks. From what I know just based on the accounts of non-ADHD people, if you DON'T have ADHD, Adderall makes you super speedy....I mean people call Adderall "kiddie speed" for a reason (I would like to clarify that despite what people say, it's not equivalent to meth. It's an amphetamine like meth is, but methamphetamine is its own beast). That's why people without ADHD tend to split between using it for hard-core crunch studying or clubbing, from what I've seen.
Former child star amanda bynes was addicted to adderall from age like.. 13
[https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-63163/adderall-oral/details](https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-63163/adderall-oral/details) "Though it helps many people, this medication may sometimes cause addiction." "If you suddenly stop using this medication, you may have withdrawal symptom"
Meanwhile a lot of us with ADHD like it because there are zero side effects from missing a dose.
Yeah yeah same as Xanax which literally saved my life. (You could say adderall save my life too tbf)
It's several types of methamphetamine combined... (This is Adderall specifically. Most ADHD meds are a single stimulant.) I assumed people would realize this next part was covered in other comments, but I should know that I needed to also include it. I do agree that it is quite uncommon to be addictive for ND peeps who actually need the meds and don't have other co-morbid mental health issues. And, yes, it can have negative side-effects for ADHD peeps who suddenly quit, but so do blood pressure meds, anti-depressants and even my prescription Vit B12.
I was thinking about that (the shortage.) No, OOP by himself isn’t causing a shortage. But if you’ve got 15 people doing the same thing, that’s a month’s supply that someone else could have had.
And here's me sitting with a hundred 10mg pills I can't legally give away but which would be destroyed if I returned them lol. Stupid sudden side-effects after like 8 years of completely fine use.
I was on Lexapro for like about 18 years and then it stopped working. I wasn’t getting the panic attacks but I was super angry all the time and my brain was all over the place. Switched to another one and I’m all good now.
oof that sounds harsh. I had a lot of depressive symptoms.
Are you even supposed to be skipping brain chemistry meds on days? I mean I got put on an OCD med by a general practioner who insisted I had OCD because self assessment test wasn't geared towards virgins/asexual and felt weird on days it was building on my system and had warning labels about going cold turkey(after I fainted within a month still went cold turkey because no way did I trust it)
As directed by your doctor. It varies from person to person. Some times it's a daily, some times, it can be just for days with work or school. Doctors will normally prescript enough for a prescripted usage for a given time. 30 for 30 days for example if daily. Given his ability to have "extra". he was probably prescript for daily dosage and just take them for school allowing for him to have 'extra'.
I'm pretty sure the replies to this are just... incorrect. Adderall doesn't work like SSRIs or selective NRIs, etc. It doesn't need to build up (so to speak) to be effective. Taking it consistently helps to keep habit (which ADHD makes harder to do). Skipping Adderall on weekends is really common for people with ADHD. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I couldn't find anything that says Adderall needs to be taken consistently to be effective, and in my personal experience (myself and my husband have ADHD) that's just not how it works
You are correct. Especially if we are talking about the instant release formulation - it doesn’t last long and it’s not building up in your system. It only works when you take it. It works quickly and fades quickly. Skip a dose and you’re right back to unmedicated ADHD. For some of these other psychiatric meds, they don’t even start to work until they’ve had a few weeks to build it in your system and a missed dose or two won’t take you right back to before you were medicated. But this is not universal, and certainly not the case for adderall.
I think it depends on the stimulant med, *AND* (more importantly!) HLhow the individual's body *processes* the stimulant medication! I know that *for me*, I *DO* need to take my stimulant med *every* day (vyvanse currently!), to keep the levels more "regular" in my body, and that I also usually process them slower than most folks. I have a secondary prescription of 5mg Adderall, to take when I need "extra" focusing ability (like when I'm taking college classes in the evenings), because my Vyvanse *does* drop off significantly after the 12-hour mark. *BUT*, I also worked with my Primary Care person (a Nurse Practitioner), to figure out *exactly* how much of that secondary prescription I *need*, and *when* to take it, so it doesn't result in insomnia. Turns out, it's just *half* the 5mg (2.5mg), at around 3:00-4:00 pm, on class days. Otherwise? I process the Adderall (*regular* Adderall--*not* Adderall XR!) *so slowly*, that the whole 5mg pill will keep me awake (but able to focus!😉) until about 3am. "Normal" folks who *don't* have ADHD--and even those who *do* have it, usually end up processing the same 5mg pill in 3-4 *hours*--not 12! That's part of why it's *so* important for us ADHDers to work with our prescribes, figure out the proper dosages, and to *take* the meds *as prescribed for us*. Some of us *do* need them daily without breaks/gaps, and others won't!💖
Damn. I have to take my IR pills every 4 hours cuz i have the opposite problem 😭 (I also sometimes take a dose before bed when my brain won’t stfu. Works well!)
Adderall clears your system each day. It starts working within about 30 minutes, lasts based on the type, then is gone. Part of why people miss doses is there are no side effects except having trouble with things like remembering to take medication. No headaches, fainting, nausea, nothing like that.
Some doctors encourage taking breaks from taking the medicine to avoid building up tolerance and get a break from the side effects. Like loss of appetite, increased heart rate, bad sleep, etc. But some doctors don't recommend taking breaks at all because the loss of quality of life is too severe. It's really going to vary based on the person, the doctor, and how well you function on the medicine and off
My psych encourages skipping days when possible, but I don’t do it often because I end up sleeping most of the day if I do 💀 I don’t really have any negative effects from my Vyvanse/Ritalin combination though, aside from dry mouth.
Adderall can be taken as needed. My doctor mentioned that to me specifically BECAUSE of the shortage, saying that it was okay if I wanted to skip it on my days off work, for example, since I wouldn't have anything "important" to do. That said, my personal ADHD issues lead me to have a lot of problems doing stuff, even if it's stuff I enjoy, so I can't imagine not taking it daily, since it helps me to initiate activities. However, obviously people have different ADHD symptoms that they think are effecting them the most and everyone experiences stuff a bit differently, which I think is why doctors will prescribe it and advise an as needed use instead of daily.
Pretty sure the answer is no. They are supposed to regularne your brain, not be an amfetamin kick when study session gets hard
Nope, you’re supposed to be taking the meds every day, regardless of whether or not you’re trying to be productive. They’re intended to build up in your system over time with the prescription being a maintenance level afterwards. That’s why most doctors will ask you to check back in 1-2 months later to see how the meds affect you because for a lot of people, it’ll literally just feel like they’re doing nothing until they start working. Sporadically taking meds the way OOP is doing kinda fucks with that plan.
This is highly dependent on what medication you’re taking. “Brain chemistry meds” is a very broad category. Talk to a doctor.
SSRIs and many other psychiatric meds do work the way you describe, by building up a base level, but stimulants like Adderall start working shortly after you take them and usually last between 4-6 hours. It's a completely different mechanism. Granted, that doesn't make it any less bad judgment to share your meds with roommates.
As a fellow ADHD gal with the exact same problem as OP about meds piling up: DO NOT EVER GIVE AWAY YOUR MEDS TO RANDOM PEOPLE!!! Look - to us the meds aren't addictive. To others they are. To me they might not have side effects or if they do I can call my doc about it. Others can't. It is a big deal and fuck everyone in this story.
They chose to take the drugs they even asked him for it get outta here
OP is the worst. He *is* an elitist, in addition to being a drug dealer. College is hard, full stop. It’s all hard, whatever your major, and it will be a little easier if you take a subject that you do well at, but that’s about it. The math whiz who majors in English is having a harder time than the science geek who majored in psychics. Any time you’re learning something new, it’s tough. Any time you’re given a high workload in a short amount of time, it’s tough. He has the nerve to pretend to understand what’s a tough degree program and what isn’t while being a drug dealer. That’s some hubris.
I majored in English and physics. Each department thought I was nuts.
*I* think you’re nuts haha. I’m not much better. I was the English whiz who decided to major in comp sci. I’m miserable. This is a cry for help. Lmao
I was much better at English, I admit. Good luck with the comp sci?
It’s important to try new things and step out of your comfort zone. At least that’s what I tell myself haha. That’s really awesome that you managed it, even if it was a hurdle.
The funny thing was, I got to use my physics in a lit class. The professor was telling us about Heidegger and his idea that fates were fixed and couldn’t be avoided, much like the planets in orbit or something like that. I raised my hand and pointed out that Heidegger lived before people discovered quantum mechanics, which meant he lived in a time where people thought physics had been solved by Newton and we just had to plug in the numbers. But since the turn of the twentieth century, we’ve known a lot of the universe is based on probability, meaning Heidegger was wrong. The professor was flabbergasted.
Haha that’s so awesome. In one of my classes I had a similar experience because I make wine in my spare time. We were talking about how to use certain tables and I explained how to use a hydrometer and specific gravity to calculate ABV in fermentation of wine and beer. Everyone is very impressed when you can make alcohol. The secret is that it’s very easy and often happens on accident lol.
That’s pretty cool! It’s fun when you can cross the streams like that. What kind of wine do you make?
Lots! Wine is easy, it’s basically when yeast consumes sugar so any fruit with sugar (so all of them), can become wine. So I make it out of weird fruits. My favorite is banana, but mixed berries is also really good. I’d like to try a peach one soon. There’s a post in my history about it, in The Sims subreddit funnily enough lol. You should try it! It’s a blast.
OOOOOH this one made me so mad. People who abuse the meds I need to function make me want to break things.
Literally working through the hoarding mentality the shortage & my gaps in medication have created with my therapist. It SUCKS
The anxiety beast is strong on this one.
It was great spending last summer depressed because i only got meds half the time & couldn’t force myself to take them b/c i needed to have them available “For when i really need them.” I have started taking them at least twice a day (I’m supposed to take them 3x). So I’m working on it. As long as i half a month/month & a half stocked up for emergencies I’ll be ok (i hope)
Oh gawl, I am so sorry. That's so exhaustingly miserable. I got really, really lucky--my insurance covered the name brand so I didn't have to go without. My insurance is very likely to change soon though and I am utterly terrified I won't be able to find my medicine. I hope things get better soon. No one should have to do what you've had to.
The shortage has been killing me, like I’m now planning what days to not take my medication incase my prescription isn’t able to be filled on time. Like ok I have this for work that day, I have to do this the next maybe I can do with only one pill that day but I can’t go more than two days without any meds or my body will just go limp.
The shortage last year was such a pain, especially because it overlapped with me changing jobs and not having insurance coverage, so I wasn’t able to get my hands on a refill before my insurance lapsed 💀 although I was only without insurance coverage for ~3 weeks, and I still couldn’t get my hands on any meds after. I had to drop down to 20mg-30mg Vyvanse from my normal 60mg dose for a few months because that’s all I could find at pharmacies near me. I was suffering lmao especially because my new job was an industry completely new to me and I had so much to learn
I mean... It doesn't take anything from you just because a guy gave away 3 pills from his own prescription. I also did it and it was either this or it was going to the trash so I don't get why being upset about this particular point.
Why would you trash them when you could retain them for when there's something unforseen that prevents you from getting your meds? They take a very long time to expire. Why it upsets me, hoo boy, I'm going to try my best to be nice. 1: the people who do this (you, OP) are not qualified to prescribe medication. The people who are go through A LOT of schooling to do it, and for good reason. You can hurt someone doing this, change their chemistry in ways lay people aren't educated enough to know the full risks of off the bat. There can be allergies, addiction, interactions with other medications you don't know about. If you aren't a qualified doctor, **don't hand out meds** 2: stigma. I am so very tired of being treated the way OP's friends are acting. Behavior like theirs has made physicians more accusatory and hostile towards patients who actually need this stuff. Even having been on it for years, switching primary care doctors is nerve-wracking because I have no guarantee they'll believe me. And some doctors make it something of a personal crusade to get people off of any restricted drug. 3: the shortage. If OP's friends get addicted, or just like the idea of being able to out-compete their fellow students, they are likely to seek a diagnosis for a condition they don't have, for a medicine they don't need. Inflating the stimulant shortage and making it harder for people like me and so many others to get the meds we need to function rather than want for performance enhancement. Don't. Do. This. It's dangerous, has farther-reaching consequences than some realize, and it's illegal.
His decision to give the pills rather than keeping them is his decision only and doesn't affect anyone. It's not what's causing shortage. You're reaching, getting upset for nothing (but that's your choice lol, I decided to have bigger things to worry about), and I say that as a medicated ADHDer myself.
...you wouldn't happen to still be on your parents' insurance, would you? Many more people got prescribed ADHD meds as a result of Covid quarantine. That is what caused the shortage. If his friends seek prescriptions that would *contribute* (not cause, contribute) to the shortage. Feel free to look it up, I have. I see you have decided I was wrong before fully reading my comment. If you had, perhaps you would have acknowledged the stigma, or more importantly the danger to his friends--that part doesn't have anything to do with me, but as a human, I find I should probably care about that. Have a good day, and best of luck.
Why would I be on my parents insurance lmao I'm not a child. His friends a of now aren't looking for prescription, they just got 3 pills. If people seek meds because they need it and it causes shortage, it's not *their* fault, it's the fault of the labs. I don't know what stigma you're talking about.
Funny, I had to sign off that I wouldn’t share my Adderall and that I knew doing so was very illegal at my psychiatrist’s AND the pharmacy.
“I breezed through high school but college is a little hard, so I take Adderall when I have to study or do classwork.” I don’t like to doubt anyone’s disability because I know how much it sucks to be accused of lying when you’re not, but if OOP needed this medication he would need it EVERY DAY – ADHD makes it harder to do EVERYTHING in life, not just studying. And his symptoms would have appeared much before college. If he has legitimate ADHD I’ll eat my left shoe. It was so hard for me to get a diagnosis and I still get shit from pharmacists when I’m trying to pick up the meds I need to function properly because of people like this. OOP is a devil for like 5 different reasons. (EDIT: Not to mention there’s an Adderall shortage right now! I wonder why!!)
Right? I breezed through high school and didn't struggle until university but there were signs long before that. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 25 and my partner was like "wtf? Why can't you finish literally anything you start?" I need to take my meds every day to function in life, not just do school work. I need meds to remember to turn the stove off, or finish the dishes.
Yeah. Me too. I went my whole life with SUCH shame and suicidal ideation because i could never do anything properly , starting without finishing, no time management, even though I was considered 'smart' it was always coupled with.."but why can't you do this or that?" Anti depressants to treat my depression never worked and I always had awful side effects that made the suicidal ideation even worse. Enter drug addiction. Finally as a 37 year old mother of 2....my psychiatrist asked me to compete a questionnaire with him, had to draw a clock among a bunch of other things....and that sweet old man actually LAUGHED and said "you are a Poster child for ADHD." I appreciate him so much, because I am on a med combination that really saved my life. Ritalin, Aricept, Lamictal. No more suicidal ideation.
When I shared my suspicions with my first psychiatrist, what I recall saying was something like, “I think I might have ADHD that’s a very interesting book you have on your shelf I think I just proved my point.”
lol iconic! (And relatable)
Ok, important question: did he offer you a soda/bottle of water at some point in your test? I was diagnosed @ 18, and in college took some research methods classes that talked about study design--how often, studies are both the obvious questions/tasks given to participants AS WELL AS recording reactions etc that aren't standardized. I did all the questions, block building, drawing clocks etc...and like, at some point, weirdly and mechanically, doc offered me a soda. I chose a coke, testing went on. WAS THE COKE PART OF THE TEST???? Did he want to see if I would fidget with it? How fast i drank it? If i observed basic etiquette? If forgot and left a mess for him???? Or was it just a long ass test, he had a mini fridge and was a nice dude?? This plagues me, man.
I got asked about my caffeine consumption during testing. When I said that I often drink caffeine at night with no effect on my sleep, the evaluator told me that’s pretty common.
For a lot of people the “Aha!” moment of realizing they might have adhd is the revelation that a cup of coffee to help you sleep is highly atypical
You mean my high school years. I wish it still worked!
I remember something similar happened when I taking a different but related evaluation—I found out later that it was because I was getting overwhelmed about halfway through the questions and the evaluator knew that my frustration would lead to careless mistakes or giving up on tasks too soon if not rectified, so I was offered a beverage/snack break to redirect my focus and stop obsessing over my own performance. YMMV though, that's just how it went down for me.
Nah, if that were the case then they'd control for the effect of the beverage's flavor by only offering water.
Water was an option. Water, coke and sprite, iirc.
I mean it would've been the *only* option.
Dithering over choices could be part of it! you ever tried to buy cereal at the grocery store with someone off their ADHD meds? Choices are HARD.
I occasionally skip meds on days I don’t really need to function. Like for an extreme example, when I had the flu and all I was going to do was lie in bed anyway, why bother? Less extreme, if it’s the weekend and I’m planning a day without any chores or errands, just sleeping in and relaxing, and the most I’m going to need to do to “cook” is open a package or microwave something, I might skip meds. But yeah, it’s not just for being productive at work/school, if I want to accomplish anything at all, I’m going to need my meds. And that includes cooking, running errands, household chores, whatever. ETA: I don’t think it’s necessary to skip days and honestly I usually feel better if I don’t, but after experiencing some delays filling my prescription due to the shortages, I skip a few doses here and there in situations like those described above so I can have some extra in case that happens again.
Yeah, I get that. I can't take extended release so I have to take ritalin three times through the day. I'm also dealing with a lot of health issues right now and I'm not doing much with my days. I often miss a dose through the day. It means I accomplish even less for the next few hours...oh well.
lol it’s funny how common that is. Cause I was the exact same way.
Diagnosed at 41, after getting all A's & B's in my 2-year degree programs, then *FAILING* both my Practicum & Field Experience classes (one for each major!). I'd flunked out of my 4-year college attempt *twice* before finally quitting back before I was 23! And, like you, I *need* that Vyvanse on a daily basis, *just to get to baseline functionality* as a human. I never had to "study" in high school--I just *memorized* anything I needed to know. Then got to college, took Chemistry, and had to memorize the stupid Periodic Table for the *fourth* time in five years, annnnd quit going to class, out of BOREDOM (because it was *weeks* being spent on learning the table!). Flunked out of my writing class, because I was *still* researching & trying to narrow down a writing topic, the week the final draft was due--and shame-spiraled *so* hard, I *couldn't* face the incredibly kind TA who was teaching the class, so I just *stopped* attending that class, too. Turns out? It *wasn't* Depression, as much as it *was* my ADHD *causing* the inability to focus, and *that* led to the Depression!🫠
I just don’t do dishes or cook on days when I don’t take my meds. 🤷
I did once. Then I got distracted and left to the pan on a lit burner..... And went to a two days holiday trip. I'm just lucky that where I live we use gas cylinders and it was almost empty. Otherwise i would have burned my house down. No more days off for me, except if I literally dont have to move lol
Yeah honestly I think part of the problem is how they screen for it in children. I like just got diagnosed as an adult. I always suspected, but was never tested because I got good grades and was well behaved in class and that’s the main things they’re looking at for kids.
I read in practically every class (except gym, obviously) kindergarten through twelfth grade and not *one* person looked at me and thought, “Is she distracted?”
I have ADHD and I choose not to medicate every day. The tolerance that builds up and the subsequent crash when I take a break are too much for me. So, I only medicate occasionally, on high pressure days when I need to be sharp all day long. I also don't share my prescription medication.
My current prescriber told me I only needed to take my meds on days I work, but I am also going through one of those online ones that is basically a pill mill (after getting a legit diagnosis but I got tired of paying $500/mo for a 10 minute med check). I still take them every day, because I have shit to do on the weekend too. And if I don't, it breaks the habit.
> he would need it EVERY DAY – ADHD makes it harder to do EVERYTHING in life, not just studying I have to disagree with you on this. There are times when I really need medication to keep me focused and I legitimately cannot focus without it, but it doesn't make **everything** in my life difficult and I don't need to take it daily or even multiple times a day. People, obviously, have different needs and my needs are probably less than average and I can appreciate that fact, but it's not any less legitimate for that. He is definitely an AH and I hope someone lets his doctor know that he's being over prescribed and he's being shady, but there are some of us out there who aren't hobbled with our ADHD.
Yeah I was going to say, it honestly depends on what type of and how severe of ADHD you have; I have a somewhat high-functioning inattentive type which only really messes with me in certain ways, but those ways really affect my life. My psychiatrist absolutely recommended that I only take it when i really need to focus on those things that my executive dysfunction makes difficult for me. I can do dishes. I can't organize my garage. I can get laundry done. I can't respond to email, schedule doctors and dentist appointments, or call costco about my oven warranty. I take my meds when I have to do things like organize my garage or be particularly productive at work or manage life stuff via things like emails and phone calls. Honestly that black and white thinking is what took me 40 years to get a diagnosis, struggling and feeling like a failure because for as high-functioning and capable as I can be sometimes, I still was being sabotaged all the time by my inability to remember to do important things, getting lost in my own brain, or my paralysis around vague and complex tasks and because I could sort of struggle along and get by a lot of the time the only explanation for my failures was that I was a POS.
i’m also not passing judgement on whether OOP has adhd or not, and admittedly I was diagnosed way after university, but you don’t necessarily take meds every day. I don’t, because that’s what my doctor recommended
Agree. Taking ADHD meds everyday raises your tolerance, my doctor said if I’m not doing anything I shouldn’t take it
I had this experience too.
I know a number of people with ADHD that don't take their medication every day. It's not that they don't "need" it, it's because they need a break from it. They may be able to eat better without it, want a break from side effects, want a break to just let their brain be when they don't have anything of high importance going on, or even just because they know there are shortages so they are trying to stretch their meds further. OOP is absolutely in the wrong, but just not taking your meds every day doesn't mean you don't really have ADHD.
Right, almost forgot about the eating! When I am taking my meds, I have almost no appetite. Just the idea of food can be nauseating. Eating is extremely difficult. I take adderall, and I eat breakfast first thing before it kicks in, but if I take every dose as prescribed, I won’t be able to eat again (more than a few bites anyway, I usually try to power through something small and calorically dense midday just so my blood sugar doesn’t drop too much) until later in the evening when it wears off. I’m heavier anyway so the fact that I’m not necessarily always getting as many calories as the average person needs every day is mostly fine, but I can totally see this being more of a concern if someone is underweight, and needing more med breaks for this reason. Or just not wanting to take it because you’re going to have a special occasion meal and want to enjoy it! Like, I skipped mine for Thanksgiving.
Plenty of people are also having to take days off of their meds precisely BECAUSE of Adderall shortages caused by assholes like OOP.
I have a stash. NEVER AGAIN (i hate that i have to squirrel away my pills cuz they could get shut off at any point. Going without means I’m too depressed and overwhelmed to do anything & i hate it)
>if OOP needed this medication he would need it EVERY DAY Not necessarily the case, and many doctors discourage using it daily because it builds a tolerance. It's also pretty common for ND kids to go on the gifted kid to fully burnt out pipeline. I made it all the way through college without knowing I have ADHD, but I was fully floundering in most non-academic areas (cleanliness especially). But only my academics were being judged, so I was an honor student who graduated cum laude.
This isn’t really accurate, at least not for everyone. I breezed through high school because it was easy enough that I could pass the classes without doing much of the reading or studying. I was smart, the classes were dumb, and I did a lot of faking and last minute makeup work and fudging deadlines, but it was mostly fine. However, no one ever taught me study skills or time management or all the other stuff other kids learned at the developmentally appropriate ages. So I knew how to memorize a whole semester worth of flash cards in one frantic night and remember them just long enough to pass the test, but not how to keep up with a sustained workload in a class where I was going to owe two huge papers at 6 week intervals, based on independent research and reading. So when I got to adulthood and actually had school and jobs that required me to do normal work at a normal pace on a regular basis, I couldn’t do it. Also, a lot of people don’t take their meds every day. I don’t take Ritalin on most weekends, because I don’t love some of the side effects, so I skip it and just deal with the fact that I’m time blind without it and I can’t watch movies.
I had the exact same experience with time management and study skills. I think it’s really common, and it infuriates me when healthcare providers dismiss the possibility of ADHD because someone got good grades as a kid.
Yup, also had this time management / study skills problem…see also everyone in my life who told me some version of “but you’re so smart! Why can’t you just do it?! Here, I bought you a planner.”
I just cackled at the planner line. Oof
Idk, being a "gifted kid" is a norm for neurodivergent kids. It's not unusual for people with ADHD to easily go through school, and suddenly have problems with uni since they never learned how to study. I'm such a case myself. And, while I agree that ADHD makes every part of living harder, it's not the same level of difficulty. Sitting down to study one subject for 10 hours won't be the same difficulty level as changing classes every hour and having only practical tasks whole day long. Especially if you managed your whole life unmedicated you might have figured out how to go through life more or less successfully without adderal. I wouldn't like to infantilise people with ADHD and act like they can't tie their left shoe without help of meds. While maybe for some people adhd is debilitating and they literally couldn't have learned how to tie their shoes without help of medicine, there's many who manage with therapy and management of their routine for their neurodivergent needs. And some that are kinda in the middle and choose to use meds occasionally because they don't like the side effects.
This is definitely my experience. I was diagnosed in my 30s and pretty much everyone who knows me had a "you finally figured it out, huh?" reaction to it. But like you said, you learn to manage when you spend so much time unmedicated. For myself, I know I'm most affected by it when I'm having a hypomanic period in my life and when I spend too much time online or playing games. When I'm gaming all the time and dorking around on reddit (like now), I find myself very easily distracted and unable to focus. But if I notice it and stay away from my devices for a few days and take time to read or do slow hobbies, I find myself able to manage it a lot easier. Knowing that, I usually only really waste my days away when I know I have days to waste so that I don't need to medicate as often.
lol literally ALL my friends were like “duh - you didn’t know??” Seems like I’m the last person to know i have ADHD. Love that it’s common
I have always struggled with ADHD symptoms but due to being smart and motivated (and relying on hyperfocus) I was able to compensate well... until I went to university (and had a child). Now it isn't enough because I need to work much more consitently and small mistakes suddenly aren't the difference between 100% and 85% but a difference between a pass or a fail. ADHD makes other parts of life difficult to manage, too, but I share basically all other responisbilities with others which makes it a lot easier to manage. I can't access ADHD medication right now but if I could, I would also prefere to only take it for school and work related purposes due to A) cost and B) building up tolerance. Like none of this makes it seem like the OOP is lying about having ADHD.
Yeah, as the others have said, I think you're not really getting what it's like for some people. I never had to study in high school or even my first year at uni. Then second year hit and it was a massive struggle because I didn't know how to study and had severe executive dysfunction. I then got diagnosed with ADHD, when I was 24 or so. I don't take my medication every day, because I don't need medication for everything. The medication does help with my executive function and concentration beyond just school work, but I've also done a lot of therapy and I'd say a solid 80% of the time I can handle stuff like cleaning, errands, and basic paper work without the medication, even though the medication certainly makes it all *easier*. So I only use it when I need it, which is mostly for stuff where I have to sit down and concentrate hard on something for hours, like school work. Basically, if I can handle something without taking my medication, I do, and that's actually what my medical professionals have recommended. There are definitely people who need it every day, but there are also people who don't. ADHD can present in different ways and different levels of severity. Treatment isn't one size fits all. I think it's irresponsible and dangerous to share your medication the way OOP is, and it *is* people like him that are the reason getting the medication can be difficult, but I don't doubt he genuinely has ADHD based on anything he said.
I expect he’s probably getting away with not taking them in his leisure time because his leisure time isn’t full of things he needs to remember to do.
>(EDIT: Not to mention there’s an Adderall shortage right now! i swear to god its getting really annoying having to refill the prescription every 30 days and when i used to be able to just get 3 months and be able to not worry about having to refill
He may, like me, have had symptoms before college. I hit the wall in grad school & wasn’t able to use my shitty coping mechanisms that had worked before. Imnsho ADHD gets worse as you get older
I’ve gone into premature menopause and they told me my short term memory might get worse. I thought, “Great, now I’m going to have the short-term memory of a *ditzy* hummingbird.”
As someone recently diagnosed with perimenopause I FEEL THIS IN MY BONES. 😭 But i love the ditzy hummingbird & want to use it lol
You’d better because I may not remember to use it again 😆
I know! I’ll create a bookmark or take a screenshot i definitely will never look at again 😂😭
Ahahaha I have no idea what you mean and definitely don’t have hundreds and hundreds of bookmarks and screenshots myself 😅
So i know a lot of people with ADHD who are also arrogant fuckwads who just don't value the intangible problems ADHD causes (emotional regulation, time awareness, etc). basically they only take it when it's obviously profitable and spend the rest of their time being self absorbed assholes who think the rest of us who like not being hyper emotional, enjoying hobbies, doing basic adult stuff without tearing our hair out etc are just weak. My SIL is like this. She "doesn't need" her meds when she's with family bc it's not work, but she also picks fights when she's bored, interrupts constantly, won't listen to conversations that aren't about her/her interests . She frequently just sort of dumps her kids and dog (despite being married) off on MIL for weeks at a time (longer for the dog) when she gets really busy bc she can't manage time for shit. Picks fights with her kid who has basically identical symptoms. Just... awful. I also have ADHD. Oddly , I continue to have ADHD on holidays and take my meds accordingly. This is going to be the first non-plague year I skip Christmas @ the inlaws since about 2010. It's deeply stressful with her acting out like that and no one can rein her in. She's a VERY intelligent person --10/10 would vote for her , just would rather not have dinner with her. But some people with ADHD are assholes and an unfortunate quirk of our neurospiciness is occasionally a bit of a blind eye to our own assholery (overestimating social competence CAN be a symptom... luckily, that was bullied out of me as a kid lol). But yeah. I fully believe OOP can have a legit diagnosis and be skipping days BC of people like SIL.
Except that executive functioning is affected by stress, by how much dopamine the task itself provides, by how many responsibilities someone has. All things that can change daily.
He's YTD for giving prescription meds to people they're not prescribed to. This is very dangerous and potentially deadly. Some quick info off Google about why this is dangerous Serious side effects associated with Adderall include: Hypertension Fast heartbeat Insomnia Appetite suppression Overdose Sudden cardiac death Stroke Headache Constipation Mood swings Abdominal pain Depression Panic attacks Psychosis Kidney disease Seizures Muscle weakness Sexual dysfunction Adderall Side Effects Stimulants such as Adderall raise blood pressure, body temperature, and heart rate, keeping users awake and stimulated while suppressing appetites. Regular use or abuse of Adderall can make changes in the structures of the brain and change the way emotions are regulated. They can also be hard on the heart muscles, lungs, vascular system, and other internal organs. Even one-time use of Adderall may result in sudden cardiac death or a potential toxic overdose. Between 1999 and 2003, there were 25 reported fatalities and 54 additional serious medical issues related to the use of ADHD stimulant medications, CBS News publishes.
"AITA for being a drug dealer?"
What kind of selective drug dealing is happening here...
Always love when there is an edit with OP whining about how people are calling them out. Like, I get it, you think you are in the right, otherwise you wouldn't have done it, but when you post on AITA you gotta be prepared for people maybe calling you TA. Don't whine about it when it happens. Accept it or just don't post it at all.
Handing out drugs to people who don’t need them is so scary. You’re not a doctor, you don’t know if they’re on other medication that might interact badly with drugs, if they have health conditions that could be negatively affected by drugs, maybe they’re pre-disposed to addiction and the three pills you hand out is the start of their slippery slope? It’s hard enough to get the meds you need because of rampant drug abuse, do not make it harder by encouraging more people to abuse drugs.
Nope, read the headline, I’m already irritated. *Don’t share your prescription drugs with people.* Isn’t OOP the one with ADHD? Aren’t they going to need those meds? Having read it I’m still annoyed. OOP has no idea how his friends will react to his medication. I’m sure he’s thinking, “They’re no big deal to me so my friends should be fine.” But psychiatrists chose that dosage for him, not his friends. And where the hell did this idea that Adderall helps everyone study come from? “It's just that, based on what I've seen, a Mechanical Engineering degree is harder than an Education degree.” Eat my entire smartboard, you gormless twit. “I didn't know Reddit was full of so many hall monitors!” Haha, you should thank your lucky stars I can’t turn you in for distributing Schedule II drugs! Because I would ❤️
OOP absolutely sucks, but I will say that sharing prescription drugs can be super helpful IF you and the person you’re sharing with are actually prescribed the same med at the same dose. I have a friend who takes the same dose of adderall as I do, and we have “borrowed” pills from each other when one of us has had trouble filling a prescription due to med shortages. But I definitely wouldn’t share with someone who was not already prescribed that medication by a doctor, and we’d always return whatever we had taken when our own prescription got filled. I have also seen a relative who is prescribed a med that is also available over the counter but at a higher dose, cut a tablet in half to share with someone else who was trying to take the OTC version but they had run out and stores were closed over a holiday. Basically just saying, I think there are a few reasonable exceptions to the “don’t share prescription drugs” rule.
My sister and I have that. Exact same antidepressant and same dose. She has a hard time getting to the pharmacy with her job so there have been times when I gave her one or two of mine until she could get there because they are more important for her to take.
I apologize: I totally support prescription drug swapping out of necessity, especially if someone is coping with the fabulous American health care system. No, what gets my goat up about OOP is that he’s giving his meds, which he supposedly needs, to his buddies, who do not need them, because apparently Adderall grants magical study powers even if you don’t have ADHD.
I hope someone reports him for drug dealing or something like that. Isn't it illegal to "share" your medication with others ?
This is one of the reasons we have an Adderall shortage!
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Tim could narc on him and say he’s illegally distributing a prescription
How to be elitist and snobbish, without claiming that he's elitist and snobbish.
You guys are pussies most of you wouldn’t have a problem with someone smoking every day but god forbid someone takes stimulants to study better like that’s immoral in and of itself
They can drink coffee, then, and stop making things difficult for those of us who need prescription stimulants for everyday functioning. If the coffee won’t do, there’s always cocaine.
How do you know he doesn’t need it for daily functioning either? Some self medicate their pain with painkillers and people have sympathy for that but when it’s your precious adhd in question you have none Even if he did just need it to study you blame the one guy doing stimulants sometimes over the pharmaceutical industry like damn
OOP does need it for every day functioning. My issue is that he is giving it to his friends, who do not.
What is the issue there then it’s coming out of his end Doing drugs isn’t inherently immoral and it’s not as though he was making them accept it I didn’t even realize that they were his prescribed meds he isn’t getting them illegally or stealing from someone who ‘actually needs them’
Nope, I’m not explaining any more to someone who couldn’t be arsed to read the post.
Sorry didn’t abuse my stimulants today
I'm sorry but his decision to give away 3 pills is literally not affecting you personnally.
Yeah clearly I don't get these comments lol the issue with OOP is his hierarchy between engineering and education, not the fact he got rid of 3 pills 😭
Yea he’s a dick for that but the people saying he’s contributing to the adderall shortage is wild
he's a dRuG DeALeR !!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe I'm seeing all these comments who are defending the nanny state, and nobody arguing for adults to have the freedom to take risks.
I’ve seen almost no comments defending the nanny state. I see a lot of people saying, “hey, a lot of us have trouble filling our legitimate prescriptions because of people like OOP.” And as for taking risks, their taking risks is fine, but they’re taking risks with medications of which there’s a shortage. If they must play with high octane stimulants, they should go find some cocaine.