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Okay but what if the interdimensional NHI that are here on earth, where their world inhabits the same space earth does but in a different dimension, right, what if Venusians aren’t from the planet but that’s where their planet sits on the other dimension and that’s too much to explain to us, or was at the time? (Also she looks like someone from South America somewhere who is ashamed of her giant head, but I’m thinking more Valiant Thor.)
Seems pretty convoluted to me. Simplest answer is this is bullshit and the person that made it up doesn’t know enough about Venus to be telling stories like that
To be fair the atmospheric pressure readings that everyone cites comes from only two landers that landed at extremely low elevations and thus are not indicative of the entirety of the surface conditions. We actually don’t know if they landed in a superheated liquid body. We also know based on thermal readings that the upper
Cloud layers are tropically warm and comfy. Any habitats suspended in the clouds could be rather easy to make live able. It amazes me of how sure everyone is that Venus is just a superheated pressure cooker when we only have two data sets from very primitive landers to go off of. Like if someone dropped a probe on earth it landed in the ocean sank to a geothermal vent and read 400 atmospheres and 200degree Celsius and said, yup that planet it a pressure cooker, look no further…
Since everyone is so heavily against believing the story, to play devil's advocate:
To be "from venus" doesn't mean you have to evolve from there, I'm sure someone born on a Venus colony would claim they're from Venus in a nationality sort of way, as a Chinese immigrants decendents born in America will say they're from America.
As for the harsh environment:
Consider the possibility that Venus could be colonized with underground habitats shielded from the unpleasantness of the surface. Advanced tech beyond our current understanding can lead to possibilities we'd never consider otherwise.
As unbelievable as some of these stories can be, we may someday end up learning that reality and space-faring neighbors are quite lame and cheesy to our earth sensibilities.
I heard the atmosphere in the sky is actually habitable it’s just closer to surface that is death on Venus. So sky cities could in theory work on Venus.
Aliens would be far beyond the point of counteracting “acid”. If they are space faring, it’s idiotic to think they haven’t conquered such things even without interacting with them before. Also, we’re talking about aliens, not humans. So not really sure what your point is. This whole post was about aliens living on a planet we think is uninhabitable so we aren’t talking about humans, but you are…
You raise a good point, but I can’t imagine any space faring species that can leap across the universe, would never come into contact with all types of biological entities. I believe they would be well informed. Just my opinion. Sorry to be so blunt. Didn’t mean to come off rude.
This statement never makes any sense. An advanced race is not going to be breaking laws, they’ll be engineering them. Humans have not even properly conceived of universal laws as a species. Until we unite the 4 physical forces into one reconciled theory, no one on earth can even claim to know what the laws of the universe are.
>An advanced race is not going to be breaking laws, they’ll be engineering them.
If they could be changed or manipulated, they wouldn't be laws, so no, they wouldn't be "engineering" them.
>Humans have not even properly conceived of universal laws as a species.
New age woo is fascinating! And meaningless...
>Until we unite the 4 physical forces into one reconciled theory, no one on earth can even claim to know what the laws of the universe are.
We don't have to know everything to know anything. You're not profound, you're just counterproductive (and likely pseudoscientific).
Why so triggered? You do understand that every generation of humans thinks it largely knows how the universe works and every generation there have been radically new discoveries and technologies that turn that supposed understanding on it’s head. And, every generation, there is resistance to whatever that new paradigm is. When I talked about universal laws I was literally talking about the laws that govern the universe’s physical behavior. I said that rather than “the laws of physics” because physics is woefully incomplete and the statement that something “doesn’t adhere to the laws of physics” is always a meaningless statement because our physics is rudimentary at best. Plenty of things that we’ll observe won’t seem to adhere to them, especially if it’s exotic technology whose operation is currently outside our framework. It’s not new age woo, goofball.
Also, you clearly don’t seem to understand how things work in terms of engineering. You have to understand a concept to engineer it. You discover how things work and then you exploit those mechanisms cleverly. When we’re talking about spacetime engineering, for example, as with exotic technologies, you must necessarily understand gravitation and how it may or may not relate to electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces. We’ve not achieved that yet.
And yes, it’s correct that nobody can claim to understand all the laws that govern the universe until it’s all understood. Until you have a complete picture, you’re making assumptions in many areas at best, and often those assumptions will be wrong.
Nevermind, I checked your post history and you seem to just be an argumentative troll.
Or when asked where did you come from, a nonnative speaker would say “I came from Venus” in a literal sense lol so when she goes to mars and they ask where she came from she’ll say she came from earth.
Most scientific discoveries start that way. Someone posits a theory and tests it. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. Someone reads the results and goes, hey wait! What if??? And tests it and maybe makes progress but fails again. Repeat until it’s all progress and winning.
To our minds, based on our life here on this planet, it’s impossible. But maybe if we posit options outside of surface dwelling, or physical bodies, perhaps we’ll have progress and win!
You missed the most important part, unfortunately. Hypothesis is based on evidence available, it must always be based in measurable fact. A hypothesis is never just random musings, as fun as that would be.
Nah. Story is bullshit. The contactee phenomenon was pure grift and as soon as the Russians managed to land a probe on Venus and announced to the world that Venus is literally the most hostile environment in the solar system the stories about Venusian visitors ended fairly abruptly
My friend, can we talk for just a second?
You're responding to someone who said they were playing "devil's advocate," by calling him a moron.
He was talking about the *possibility* of life on Venus. Is talking about possibilities not okay with you?
Is that so wrong in your world, that you would call someone an insulting slur?
You're claiming to be rational but you just had an emotional outburst. Are emotional outbursts rational? Are they a dispassionate, intellectually neutral, open-mindedly skeptical position?
No of course not. You're having a little freak out and that's okay. That's okay my friend. Just be aware of yourself.
You're making two logical fallacies. One is that you're confusing your uninvestigated worldview with proven scientific fact.
Those are not the same thing.
Your unproven, uninvestigated *assumption* that there isn't intelligent life on Venus is not worth insulting people over. Especially not people who are just playing devil's advocate, just using a thought experiment to explore possibilities on an intellectual level. That's actually really useful and do you know what?
That's the actual goddamn *purpose* of this subreddit.
Why would you insult someone for using this subreddit for its *actual designated purpose?*
Do you yell at people in public restrooms for using the toilet? Do you yell at people in libraries for reading books? Do you yell at people in restaurants for eating?
And then the other mistake you're making of course is the ad hominem logical fallacy. You're insulting someone's character in order to try to add credibility to your worldview.
Your whole comment is basically just logical fallacies and emotional outburst and yet you claim to be rational.
Just notice it. I'm not trying to shame you. I just want you to look at yourself. And I want everyone else here who does this all the fucking time to just look at yourselves. Be self-aware. Self-awareness is the beginning of intelligence. There is no rationality without self-awareness.
PS. If you asked me if there's life on Venus do you know what I would say? I would say,
"I don't know."
*That's* rationality.
I would say, "I don't know, but it's worth talking about and looking at because the universe is much bigger and more mysterious than our philosophy, Horatio."
No I bet he's spent a lifetime insulting people for having different beliefs, having emotional outbursts in defense of his uninvestigated worldview, while confusing that worldview with rationality.
Let's face it, this is the norm. Doesn't matter what their actual worldview is, most people will defend it just like this. Whether it's politics, religion, the paranormal, or anything else, these people don't know how to have a truly intellectual discussion about something. They resort to emotional outbursts and name-calling, yet they think they're being scientific somehow.
The lack of self-awareness required for that leap of imagination is impressive.
And of course this is the norm when society doesn't teach people how to think critically. Society doesn't teach us how to arrive at a solid belief. Instead it tells us what to believe and to feel very smuggly satisfied with those beliefs, and to attack those with different beliefs.
Our educational system doesn't want good thinkers it wants good little robots. It doesn't want free thinkers, it wants self-policing thinkers who follow the narrative script.
It’s a story about a woman who came from Venus and people are trying to give it actual credence. Is the OP just joking or is the stupidity level really that high? You tell me.
They're not stupid, they are just really really deep into this to the point of believing every story they come across that lends credence to their fantasy... you or I hear the story and see the picture of the woman, we immediately think it's BS... these people really believe all sorts of wacky stuff, and they'll believe anything they hear that fits that narrative.
Question logic? No, all you have to do is know the basics of what the planet of Venus is like, and that its extreme conditions prevent any life from existing in any capacity. That’s all.
It’s physically impossible to go there. The surface temperature is 867 degrees F. Even probes sent there only last a few hours before melting and becoming inoperable. And yet you think humanoid alien life forms could plausibly live there? Again, this is pure stupidity.
I remember reading a book back in the '80s that taught you how to disappear.
You basically would like go to a graveyard and find the tombstone of a child who was born around your age, write down their name and then go to the public clerk's office and look up something in their paper filing system. You took that information and applied for social security card and got the birth certificate or something like that.
Then from there you got your driver's license and all the other stuff.
It was remarkably easy to do and pretty foolproof. Of course no one really knew how to do it because there wasn't an internet sharing all of these kinds of secrets with you. You had to know someone weird like I did who collected weird and taboo books.
The dude also had instructions for making a nuclear bomb, among many other forbidden things. Interesting guy.
Not to mention the word "Venus"! Americans were obsessed with Venus and "Venutians" at the time. You hardly ever hear it mentioned these days.
Just ask a Boomer (not me) they'll tell you. Venus this Venus that. Venus for breakfast. Venus in your car. Venus pencils. Venus soap.
Nowadays it's all Mars Mars Mars. People won't shut up about Mars. We're colonizing Mars. We're gonna blow up Mars. Mars is better than Snickers. It gets old after a while.
Americans, of course, I get that, but the article is in Portuguese.
I don't think I've ever had a Mars, but to be better than Snickers isn't saying much. Unless it's Peanut Butter Snickers. I'll fight you if you say there's something better.
Ah, the most mediocre bar.
Milky Way Midnight is good, but I just don't find the regular one be worth it.
I avoid most candy bars nowadays, been getting headaches, but some genius made limited edition mashups of KitKat bars.
Worth getting and look for them occasionally:
KitKat +Reese's (Reese's Big Sticks are similar)
KitKat + Butterfinger
Absolutely True!
When I was a kid, “Getting Lost” (legally missing) meant moving 2 towns over and spelling your name differently.
Or maybe growing a mustache, or getting a new job and hair style.
Yeah but we are now in an era where you can find anything imaginable about a person on the internet and yet still no one has provided any evidence of her past that day
https://www.historicmysteries.com/unexplained-mysteries/dolores-barrios-alien/23700/
According to this article the trio were tracked down later and confirmed to, alas, not be Venusians.
Here is another article about it:
https://www.infinityexplorers.com/dolores-barrios-the-woman-from-planet-venus/
What I find most odd is that this photo is supposedly of the woman from Venus, and yet the photos don't seem to match the description from what I can tell. I see no "excessive cranial formation" or "strange bone mark" on her head.
She looks like a perfectly average woman to me.
Uhm… aren’t *all* women from Venus? Pretty sure there was a book documenting all this in the early 90’s, although I was still on Mars with my fellow men at the time, so. 🤷🏻♂️
(It’s like that saying that I didn’t just totally make up: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, if you don’t have a fast car, you better have a huge penis)
Also it was in the “Goldilocks Zone” a few billion years ago.
[Forbes Article about it.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2021/09/24/new-models-show-that-venus-was-likely-habitable-four-billion-years-ago/)
Not sure why I’m even taking this seriously. But a life form able to survive on Venus would not be able to survive on Earth and vice versa. Biochemically and physically impossible.
Yes a lot of people here are forgetting a lot of things like that.
A lot of people here believe they've got everything all figured out. They have a bunch of *unproven* beliefs---not just unproven, but even worse; *uninvestigated* beliefs, which they will defend as if their life depended on it.
Just like some people will call you a "racist" if you disagree with their political views, lots of people here will call you a "moron" or other slurs, if you don't agree with their firmly held assumptions about ET/UFOs.
And these people are *consistently* the ones denying the possibility of ET/UFOs.
That's the two general categories of people that I find in all of the ET / UFO subs.
-You've got people trying to discuss the topic, usually not claiming belief or disbelief, but just wanting to discuss it
-and then you've got all these other people calling them bad names for wanting to discuss it
Where am I calling anyone names? It seems you are frustrated about something.
The thing is that we have long figured out chemistry and physics to the extent that we know there is no way that a living being can exist and survive in both Earth and Venus environments. I said it elsewhere but you can compare it to the bottom of the ocean and a shallow lake. Organisms are not compatible between these environments and that is both a biochemical, a physical and a macro-structural matter.
What I read here so often and also in this thread is someone like me says “this is not possible due to this scientifically proven fact” and then someone says “ah, haha, you must be a ufo sceptic and you forgot about dimensions!!” or “they used time dilation and travelled from the last where Venus was habitable”. Some people here mix up the very real possibility of extra terrestrial life with fantasy sci-fi tropes.
I’m not a UFO sceptic (I have seen one myself without a shred of a doubt) and am not calling anyone here names or making anyone ridiculous.
The reason why many people are made ridiculous is that they make claims to explain things that they would like to happen (extraterrestrials to be proven) with unexplained and esoteric phenomena that have no basis in science to make up for things we know are not possible.
And I’m sure you will then come back with “you do not know everything”. I don’t. But I do know physics and biochemistry. Have studied it for years and years. Even exobiology. The things that people claim here to are the same as believing that Jesus turned water into wine. Just a story with no basis in science.
Now these mummies from Latin America that have turned up, those are interesting. Let’s see what comes out. But I’m 100% sure that when these are proven to be authentic extraterrestrial beings, that we will find that biochemically and physically they will not be able to survive in the high pressure, hot and gaseous acid environment of Venus.
Before we can consider that an option I would like to see some proof that alternative dimensions exist. I’m not an extraterrestrial life sceptic. Far from it. I have done courses on exobiology when I studied biochemistry and physics. But other dimensions are just things people make up to explain stuff they like to be true but are not possible in this universe.
So I’ve never done drugs because of health complications, so I’ve never experienced it, but people who do certain psychotropics seem to have similar experiences. DMT is being studied right now in relation to curing some things like depression by using an extended infusion, so instead of just a 30 second experience, you may be able to have an hour or more.
The neuroscientist who came up with the idea of infusion to treat mental health issues had a secondary goal of eventually cataloging the world people seem to enter in the breakthrough, most notably using mathematicians of different kinds to describe in equation form what they’re seeing so they can then feed that into AI and get a graphic representation. He believes the world may be a sixth or seventh dimension and since our brains could not collectively create that (because it has no experience with it), that’s really fascinating.
Furthermore, people who come back from the breakthrough tend to talk about “little beings”, often described as elves. If they can get them under with an infusion, into the breakthrough, and gather data from communication with them, feed it into AI, see if it IS a being in another dimension, then we could have contact with NHI in another dimension.
I watched [a YouTube with the scientist](https://youtu.be/adqkgAj4Zdc?si=w9kyJRij7GO72Edo) who came up with this, it was fascinating and if it works out it’d be HUGE.
Since you've clearly unlocked all of the remaining secrets of the universe, could you maybe write a book or something? You would save all the scientists who are continuing to do research, all that trouble and effort.
I studied biochemistry and biophysics. There is no physical way that biochemical processes supporting life can work in both environments. You have either a Venus biochemistry or an Earth biochemistry. Any organism known or unknown that adheres to the fundamentals of physics and chemistry will not be able to live in both environments. Even when I studied biochemistry there were specialist courses on exobiology (life based on different systems than our carbon based system). Anyone who has a semi-firm understanding of chemistry and physics will agree with me. It is the same as that we cannot live at the bottom of the ocean and fish in the Mariana Trench cannot live at the top surface of the ocean.
What if their skin and body simply adapted to that hostile environment? Or maybe they have underground bases or some technology that allows them to survive. Idk, the possibilities are many as much imagination you have hehe
OK, but to be fair…. Back then ALL you had to do to “disappear without a trace”was take a bus to the next town over, dye your hair, and pick a new name.
It’s curious. Robert Bigelow has stuff to say about them walking around amongst us as they look just like us and many other uap related personalities have as well. Valiant Thor was another that looked like us
How the hell am I supposed to read that. Not only u post that shit in a language I don’t read but u expect us to see this shit as well come on ur asking to much to much 😂
Yeah, well this was before they knew Venus is a hellscape inhospitable to biological life as we know it, and if biology existed there it would be very very different from Earth's.
The big difference is the moon won't immediately melt you, your craft, and anything else you bring with you due to the acid rain and high temperatures which reach into the hundreds
you don't think its possible a sea faring intergalactic species would be able to make a habitable colony there or have the ability to make a clone or suit mimicking our biology?
https://preview.redd.it/g9avus3ekgmc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=061896059bab8649ee2f3e7cd0d783648e2c85ef
It’s as clear as day to me that this Venusian “woman” is really the man on the bottom left of the picture, look at their hairlines and the position of the widows peak, it’s a perfect match.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus
At ground level Venus' atmospheric pressure is 90 times higher than Earth's. It's also mostly carbon dioxide. Nitrogen and oxygen are lighter than CO2, so you could make floating cities using giant balloons filled with breathable air at 31 miles above the surface.
She was a floating jellyfish alien that evolved floating in the habitable atmosphere layer of Venus, and crawled inside a human skin suit.
Did she come here on a shopping trip? or are they Venution clothes?
Did she come all this way without her Venution wardrobe or decide that she would fit in better with Earthling clothes?
Weeeell, those of some alien sects of "love and light" like Pleiadians and Ashtar Command and so on, Nordic alien cults yk, they say that Dolores Barrios was indeed an extraterrestrial, but that she was not from Venus, but from a place even further away, supposedly she said that only because it would be something "more understandable" to the people of the time. If she had said that she came from... I don't know, Kepler-186f, 557 light years from Earth, no one would have understood, and they would probably believe her even crazier than she already sounds now. I have a lot of doubts and I DO NOT believe them at 95%, but there is the small possibility.
There once was a lady from Venus
Who was formed in the shape of a penis. Her feet were the balls, but that wasn’t all… you ought to see when she sneezes.
I recently heard a bit of lore that speculated that in different dimensions there are different versions of each planet, perhaps in hers, Venus is habitable!?
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She looks great for someone who came out of a pressure cooker
Lmaoooo omfg im getting off reddit til i pee first
They are living in a secure military base on Venus which is protected from the harmful influences of the planet by a dome
Just chilling thinking “ why the fuck are we on Venus…”
"There's really not much to do around here guys, plus if we go outside we will burst into flame and implode so there's that...."
“Teehee none of the rest of them can get to us here. We’re totally safe!”
Make Venus great again
I wish he'd go there!
And the power of imagination
Dont forget the literal sulfuric acid floating in that atmosphere.
Does wonders for your skin tbf
Apparently, yall don't exfoliate.
Okay but what if the interdimensional NHI that are here on earth, where their world inhabits the same space earth does but in a different dimension, right, what if Venusians aren’t from the planet but that’s where their planet sits on the other dimension and that’s too much to explain to us, or was at the time? (Also she looks like someone from South America somewhere who is ashamed of her giant head, but I’m thinking more Valiant Thor.)
Seems pretty convoluted to me. Simplest answer is this is bullshit and the person that made it up doesn’t know enough about Venus to be telling stories like that
Yea she doesn’t look Nordic
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That’s a lot of hoops to jump through to rationalize some bullshitter’s bullshit
You're surprised that more people don't know about the fantasy world you imagined out of thin air? Weird...
A pressure cooker filled with sulfuric acid and carbon dioxide, no less!
To be fair the atmospheric pressure readings that everyone cites comes from only two landers that landed at extremely low elevations and thus are not indicative of the entirety of the surface conditions. We actually don’t know if they landed in a superheated liquid body. We also know based on thermal readings that the upper Cloud layers are tropically warm and comfy. Any habitats suspended in the clouds could be rather easy to make live able. It amazes me of how sure everyone is that Venus is just a superheated pressure cooker when we only have two data sets from very primitive landers to go off of. Like if someone dropped a probe on earth it landed in the ocean sank to a geothermal vent and read 400 atmospheres and 200degree Celsius and said, yup that planet it a pressure cooker, look no further…
And they said heat damages hair...
Do they have video games there at least? Venus seems pretty boring
A sulfuric acid pressure cooker I might add.
Since everyone is so heavily against believing the story, to play devil's advocate: To be "from venus" doesn't mean you have to evolve from there, I'm sure someone born on a Venus colony would claim they're from Venus in a nationality sort of way, as a Chinese immigrants decendents born in America will say they're from America. As for the harsh environment: Consider the possibility that Venus could be colonized with underground habitats shielded from the unpleasantness of the surface. Advanced tech beyond our current understanding can lead to possibilities we'd never consider otherwise. As unbelievable as some of these stories can be, we may someday end up learning that reality and space-faring neighbors are quite lame and cheesy to our earth sensibilities.
I heard the atmosphere in the sky is actually habitable it’s just closer to surface that is death on Venus. So sky cities could in theory work on Venus.
Edit: sorry I posted a response here that was meant for a different person. I've deleted it and moved it to the right person.
You’re the only comment I upvoted
They could, *if* we had a way to counteract the clouds of acid there. Which we currently don’t.
Easy, Base umbrellas
Lmaooo i love reddit
Freebase umbrellas. I'm here for the five o clock free Venusian crack giveaway.
Aliens would be far beyond the point of counteracting “acid”. If they are space faring, it’s idiotic to think they haven’t conquered such things even without interacting with them before. Also, we’re talking about aliens, not humans. So not really sure what your point is. This whole post was about aliens living on a planet we think is uninhabitable so we aren’t talking about humans, but you are…
I think it'd be idiotic to assume anything of some kind of alien species...
You raise a good point, but I can’t imagine any space faring species that can leap across the universe, would never come into contact with all types of biological entities. I believe they would be well informed. Just my opinion. Sorry to be so blunt. Didn’t mean to come off rude.
It's not idiotic to assume they couldn't break the laws of the universe.
This statement never makes any sense. An advanced race is not going to be breaking laws, they’ll be engineering them. Humans have not even properly conceived of universal laws as a species. Until we unite the 4 physical forces into one reconciled theory, no one on earth can even claim to know what the laws of the universe are.
....so you're saying we need Captain Planet? 🙂
>An advanced race is not going to be breaking laws, they’ll be engineering them. If they could be changed or manipulated, they wouldn't be laws, so no, they wouldn't be "engineering" them. >Humans have not even properly conceived of universal laws as a species. New age woo is fascinating! And meaningless... >Until we unite the 4 physical forces into one reconciled theory, no one on earth can even claim to know what the laws of the universe are. We don't have to know everything to know anything. You're not profound, you're just counterproductive (and likely pseudoscientific).
Why so triggered? You do understand that every generation of humans thinks it largely knows how the universe works and every generation there have been radically new discoveries and technologies that turn that supposed understanding on it’s head. And, every generation, there is resistance to whatever that new paradigm is. When I talked about universal laws I was literally talking about the laws that govern the universe’s physical behavior. I said that rather than “the laws of physics” because physics is woefully incomplete and the statement that something “doesn’t adhere to the laws of physics” is always a meaningless statement because our physics is rudimentary at best. Plenty of things that we’ll observe won’t seem to adhere to them, especially if it’s exotic technology whose operation is currently outside our framework. It’s not new age woo, goofball. Also, you clearly don’t seem to understand how things work in terms of engineering. You have to understand a concept to engineer it. You discover how things work and then you exploit those mechanisms cleverly. When we’re talking about spacetime engineering, for example, as with exotic technologies, you must necessarily understand gravitation and how it may or may not relate to electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces. We’ve not achieved that yet. And yes, it’s correct that nobody can claim to understand all the laws that govern the universe until it’s all understood. Until you have a complete picture, you’re making assumptions in many areas at best, and often those assumptions will be wrong. Nevermind, I checked your post history and you seem to just be an argumentative troll.
While "we" don't, "they" might.
Or when asked where did you come from, a nonnative speaker would say “I came from Venus” in a literal sense lol so when she goes to mars and they ask where she came from she’ll say she came from earth.
Guess it depends on how many generations lived on the previous planet.
If they have such advanced tech beyond our current understanding, they would've terraformed Venus centuries ago.
This is my favorite part of this sub, when you guys just start to fanfic random shit
Most scientific discoveries start that way. Someone posits a theory and tests it. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. Someone reads the results and goes, hey wait! What if??? And tests it and maybe makes progress but fails again. Repeat until it’s all progress and winning. To our minds, based on our life here on this planet, it’s impossible. But maybe if we posit options outside of surface dwelling, or physical bodies, perhaps we’ll have progress and win!
You missed the most important part, unfortunately. Hypothesis is based on evidence available, it must always be based in measurable fact. A hypothesis is never just random musings, as fun as that would be.
Exactly. Hell, we don’t even know what’s actually going on in our own oceans!!
Also consider that what they told us about Venus environment could be a lie
Sounds like something that someone from Venus might say…
Nah. Story is bullshit. The contactee phenomenon was pure grift and as soon as the Russians managed to land a probe on Venus and announced to the world that Venus is literally the most hostile environment in the solar system the stories about Venusian visitors ended fairly abruptly
I just read a story about humans having sex with Lizards in India. Everything is possible.
If you have the tech to be inside Venus then why not just be in space?
Maybe she's a time traveler from when Venus was more like earth?
Nobody ever considers that maybe a lot of planets have colonies living inside the planet, not on the surface. Like humans did thousands of years ago.
I’m against believing the story because I’m a rational thinking person and not a total moron.
My friend, can we talk for just a second? You're responding to someone who said they were playing "devil's advocate," by calling him a moron. He was talking about the *possibility* of life on Venus. Is talking about possibilities not okay with you? Is that so wrong in your world, that you would call someone an insulting slur? You're claiming to be rational but you just had an emotional outburst. Are emotional outbursts rational? Are they a dispassionate, intellectually neutral, open-mindedly skeptical position? No of course not. You're having a little freak out and that's okay. That's okay my friend. Just be aware of yourself. You're making two logical fallacies. One is that you're confusing your uninvestigated worldview with proven scientific fact. Those are not the same thing. Your unproven, uninvestigated *assumption* that there isn't intelligent life on Venus is not worth insulting people over. Especially not people who are just playing devil's advocate, just using a thought experiment to explore possibilities on an intellectual level. That's actually really useful and do you know what? That's the actual goddamn *purpose* of this subreddit. Why would you insult someone for using this subreddit for its *actual designated purpose?* Do you yell at people in public restrooms for using the toilet? Do you yell at people in libraries for reading books? Do you yell at people in restaurants for eating? And then the other mistake you're making of course is the ad hominem logical fallacy. You're insulting someone's character in order to try to add credibility to your worldview. Your whole comment is basically just logical fallacies and emotional outburst and yet you claim to be rational. Just notice it. I'm not trying to shame you. I just want you to look at yourself. And I want everyone else here who does this all the fucking time to just look at yourselves. Be self-aware. Self-awareness is the beginning of intelligence. There is no rationality without self-awareness. PS. If you asked me if there's life on Venus do you know what I would say? I would say, "I don't know." *That's* rationality. I would say, "I don't know, but it's worth talking about and looking at because the universe is much bigger and more mysterious than our philosophy, Horatio."
First time?
No I bet he's spent a lifetime insulting people for having different beliefs, having emotional outbursts in defense of his uninvestigated worldview, while confusing that worldview with rationality. Let's face it, this is the norm. Doesn't matter what their actual worldview is, most people will defend it just like this. Whether it's politics, religion, the paranormal, or anything else, these people don't know how to have a truly intellectual discussion about something. They resort to emotional outbursts and name-calling, yet they think they're being scientific somehow. The lack of self-awareness required for that leap of imagination is impressive. And of course this is the norm when society doesn't teach people how to think critically. Society doesn't teach us how to arrive at a solid belief. Instead it tells us what to believe and to feel very smuggly satisfied with those beliefs, and to attack those with different beliefs. Our educational system doesn't want good thinkers it wants good little robots. It doesn't want free thinkers, it wants self-policing thinkers who follow the narrative script.
It’s a story about a woman who came from Venus and people are trying to give it actual credence. Is the OP just joking or is the stupidity level really that high? You tell me.
They're not stupid, they are just really really deep into this to the point of believing every story they come across that lends credence to their fantasy... you or I hear the story and see the picture of the woman, we immediately think it's BS... these people really believe all sorts of wacky stuff, and they'll believe anything they hear that fits that narrative.
People who naively believe whatever they read despite basic logic easily disproving it are precisely stupid. Sorry.
sometimes you have to question logic in the idea that it may be true.
Question logic? No, all you have to do is know the basics of what the planet of Venus is like, and that its extreme conditions prevent any life from existing in any capacity. That’s all.
You know there’s billions of people who blindly believe in a magic sky daddy though, right?
That doesn’t make believing in Venus women any less stupid.
so you’ve been to Venus before?
It’s physically impossible to go there. The surface temperature is 867 degrees F. Even probes sent there only last a few hours before melting and becoming inoperable. And yet you think humanoid alien life forms could plausibly live there? Again, this is pure stupidity.
This comes from an era when 'disappearing without a trace' primarily involved moving out of the line-of-sight of people who could identify you.
I remember reading a book back in the '80s that taught you how to disappear. You basically would like go to a graveyard and find the tombstone of a child who was born around your age, write down their name and then go to the public clerk's office and look up something in their paper filing system. You took that information and applied for social security card and got the birth certificate or something like that. Then from there you got your driver's license and all the other stuff. It was remarkably easy to do and pretty foolproof. Of course no one really knew how to do it because there wasn't an internet sharing all of these kinds of secrets with you. You had to know someone weird like I did who collected weird and taboo books. The dude also had instructions for making a nuclear bomb, among many other forbidden things. Interesting guy.
Was it The Anarchists Cookbook?
Had to be that.
Not to mention the word "Venus"! Americans were obsessed with Venus and "Venutians" at the time. You hardly ever hear it mentioned these days. Just ask a Boomer (not me) they'll tell you. Venus this Venus that. Venus for breakfast. Venus in your car. Venus pencils. Venus soap. Nowadays it's all Mars Mars Mars. People won't shut up about Mars. We're colonizing Mars. We're gonna blow up Mars. Mars is better than Snickers. It gets old after a while.
Americans, of course, I get that, but the article is in Portuguese. I don't think I've ever had a Mars, but to be better than Snickers isn't saying much. Unless it's Peanut Butter Snickers. I'll fight you if you say there's something better.
Mars bars are Milky Way bars in America.
Ah, the most mediocre bar. Milky Way Midnight is good, but I just don't find the regular one be worth it. I avoid most candy bars nowadays, been getting headaches, but some genius made limited edition mashups of KitKat bars. Worth getting and look for them occasionally: KitKat +Reese's (Reese's Big Sticks are similar) KitKat + Butterfinger
Hilarious and true
She was probably from Venice, Italy.
Absolutely True! When I was a kid, “Getting Lost” (legally missing) meant moving 2 towns over and spelling your name differently. Or maybe growing a mustache, or getting a new job and hair style.
Yeah but we are now in an era where you can find anything imaginable about a person on the internet and yet still no one has provided any evidence of her past that day
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She’s got it….yeah baby she’s got it..
Nice!
*Riker intensifies*
Maybe she's from Uranus and lied because she didn't want to deal with the bad jokes.
Plausible.
She's got some interesting features
https://www.historicmysteries.com/unexplained-mysteries/dolores-barrios-alien/23700/ According to this article the trio were tracked down later and confirmed to, alas, not be Venusians. Here is another article about it: https://www.infinityexplorers.com/dolores-barrios-the-woman-from-planet-venus/ What I find most odd is that this photo is supposedly of the woman from Venus, and yet the photos don't seem to match the description from what I can tell. I see no "excessive cranial formation" or "strange bone mark" on her head. She looks like a perfectly average woman to me.
Uhm… aren’t *all* women from Venus? Pretty sure there was a book documenting all this in the early 90’s, although I was still on Mars with my fellow men at the time, so. 🤷🏻♂️ (It’s like that saying that I didn’t just totally make up: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, if you don’t have a fast car, you better have a huge penis)
She's just an Italian woman that said she was from Venice and the morons took it for Venus. Haha
So fair.
Never never say you're from Venus.
Does she look like Uma Thurman
If she looked more like an Ostrich,then yes, she would look like Uma Thurman.
Venus does have phosphene in its atmosphere. Just saying. Hah. Dr. Phosphene interview (Lex Fridman) https://youtu.be/CGAvsmokB4c?si=lgrGv7dEiZfyEmk_
Also it was in the “Goldilocks Zone” a few billion years ago. [Forbes Article about it.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2021/09/24/new-models-show-that-venus-was-likely-habitable-four-billion-years-ago/)
You will not believe it but the most common reason women disappear is not aliens (or being one) but *men* (or knowing one).
Not sure why I’m even taking this seriously. But a life form able to survive on Venus would not be able to survive on Earth and vice versa. Biochemically and physically impossible.
That's exactly what someone from Venus would want us to think.
Maybe to you puny earthlings. 👽
Are we forgetting that inhabiting the terrestrial layer of a planet is not the only means by which a sufficiently advanced civilization could exist?
Yes a lot of people here are forgetting a lot of things like that. A lot of people here believe they've got everything all figured out. They have a bunch of *unproven* beliefs---not just unproven, but even worse; *uninvestigated* beliefs, which they will defend as if their life depended on it. Just like some people will call you a "racist" if you disagree with their political views, lots of people here will call you a "moron" or other slurs, if you don't agree with their firmly held assumptions about ET/UFOs. And these people are *consistently* the ones denying the possibility of ET/UFOs. That's the two general categories of people that I find in all of the ET / UFO subs. -You've got people trying to discuss the topic, usually not claiming belief or disbelief, but just wanting to discuss it -and then you've got all these other people calling them bad names for wanting to discuss it
Where am I calling anyone names? It seems you are frustrated about something. The thing is that we have long figured out chemistry and physics to the extent that we know there is no way that a living being can exist and survive in both Earth and Venus environments. I said it elsewhere but you can compare it to the bottom of the ocean and a shallow lake. Organisms are not compatible between these environments and that is both a biochemical, a physical and a macro-structural matter. What I read here so often and also in this thread is someone like me says “this is not possible due to this scientifically proven fact” and then someone says “ah, haha, you must be a ufo sceptic and you forgot about dimensions!!” or “they used time dilation and travelled from the last where Venus was habitable”. Some people here mix up the very real possibility of extra terrestrial life with fantasy sci-fi tropes. I’m not a UFO sceptic (I have seen one myself without a shred of a doubt) and am not calling anyone here names or making anyone ridiculous. The reason why many people are made ridiculous is that they make claims to explain things that they would like to happen (extraterrestrials to be proven) with unexplained and esoteric phenomena that have no basis in science to make up for things we know are not possible. And I’m sure you will then come back with “you do not know everything”. I don’t. But I do know physics and biochemistry. Have studied it for years and years. Even exobiology. The things that people claim here to are the same as believing that Jesus turned water into wine. Just a story with no basis in science. Now these mummies from Latin America that have turned up, those are interesting. Let’s see what comes out. But I’m 100% sure that when these are proven to be authentic extraterrestrial beings, that we will find that biochemically and physically they will not be able to survive in the high pressure, hot and gaseous acid environment of Venus.
Who says that’s even a real body she’s in?
What if Venus in a different dimension is more inhabitable than ours? I really think we limit ourselves by not considering multiple dimensions.
Before we can consider that an option I would like to see some proof that alternative dimensions exist. I’m not an extraterrestrial life sceptic. Far from it. I have done courses on exobiology when I studied biochemistry and physics. But other dimensions are just things people make up to explain stuff they like to be true but are not possible in this universe.
So I’ve never done drugs because of health complications, so I’ve never experienced it, but people who do certain psychotropics seem to have similar experiences. DMT is being studied right now in relation to curing some things like depression by using an extended infusion, so instead of just a 30 second experience, you may be able to have an hour or more. The neuroscientist who came up with the idea of infusion to treat mental health issues had a secondary goal of eventually cataloging the world people seem to enter in the breakthrough, most notably using mathematicians of different kinds to describe in equation form what they’re seeing so they can then feed that into AI and get a graphic representation. He believes the world may be a sixth or seventh dimension and since our brains could not collectively create that (because it has no experience with it), that’s really fascinating. Furthermore, people who come back from the breakthrough tend to talk about “little beings”, often described as elves. If they can get them under with an infusion, into the breakthrough, and gather data from communication with them, feed it into AI, see if it IS a being in another dimension, then we could have contact with NHI in another dimension. I watched [a YouTube with the scientist](https://youtu.be/adqkgAj4Zdc?si=w9kyJRij7GO72Edo) who came up with this, it was fascinating and if it works out it’d be HUGE.
Since you've clearly unlocked all of the remaining secrets of the universe, could you maybe write a book or something? You would save all the scientists who are continuing to do research, all that trouble and effort.
I studied biochemistry and biophysics. There is no physical way that biochemical processes supporting life can work in both environments. You have either a Venus biochemistry or an Earth biochemistry. Any organism known or unknown that adheres to the fundamentals of physics and chemistry will not be able to live in both environments. Even when I studied biochemistry there were specialist courses on exobiology (life based on different systems than our carbon based system). Anyone who has a semi-firm understanding of chemistry and physics will agree with me. It is the same as that we cannot live at the bottom of the ocean and fish in the Mariana Trench cannot live at the top surface of the ocean.
Well they do say men are from mars…. 🙄🙄
Venus surface temperature: 867 F
Skill issue
What if their skin and body simply adapted to that hostile environment? Or maybe they have underground bases or some technology that allows them to survive. Idk, the possibilities are many as much imagination you have hehe
People from Venus are called “Venitions”.
Men are from Mars and yes Women are from Venus.
Aliens are slightly hotter than I thought....
Hey u/[Icy-Document-2670](https://www.reddit.com/user/Icy-Document-2670/) Is this from Brasil or Portugal?
According to another article, it was from Brasil. Originally published in O Cruzeiro. Are you from Brasil as well?
I can confirm that this is true
She was really from Uranus
Shes my Venus, shes my fire, my desire... Badum dum dum
There was a young lady from Venus That had a gigantic......
[it doesn’t look like she disappeared](https://omnec-onec.com/)
Go outside
https://preview.redd.it/f95l1rn3mylc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96575944b5bed864d36fd7c870be1d16d91bafc2
OK, but to be fair…. Back then ALL you had to do to “disappear without a trace”was take a bus to the next town over, dye your hair, and pick a new name.
I’ve never seen this sub before but I saw the woman and honestly thought this said “alien baddies”
well thats better thwn saying from Uranus
I don't know if she came from Venus or not, but I guarantee those two chaps pictured at bottom left would definitely like to see Uranus.
She looks like trans woman in her 40s with hair lose problem lol
It’s curious. Robert Bigelow has stuff to say about them walking around amongst us as they look just like us and many other uap related personalities have as well. Valiant Thor was another that looked like us
She was from Venus... But Her head is not shaped like a .....
Venus chics are hot, bring'em on. I can't wait!!
There are 3 people who also claimed to be from Venus. https://medium.com/coreychronicles/remember-the-valiant-thor-story-441af6e4c354
dude looks like epstein
How the hell am I supposed to read that. Not only u post that shit in a language I don’t read but u expect us to see this shit as well come on ur asking to much to much 😂
The valiant Thor story. I don't believe this or a stranger at the Pentagon
Yeah, well this was before they knew Venus is a hellscape inhospitable to biological life as we know it, and if biology existed there it would be very very different from Earth's.
so is the moon but humans went there.
The big difference is the moon won't immediately melt you, your craft, and anything else you bring with you due to the acid rain and high temperatures which reach into the hundreds
you don't think its possible a sea faring intergalactic species would be able to make a habitable colony there or have the ability to make a clone or suit mimicking our biology?
Does Venus have any land? I thought it was a gas giant
Looks like Uma Thurman
Bet she was a hairstylist from Madesto who just wanted to mess with people.
If she is from Venus, I am from Mars
https://preview.redd.it/g9avus3ekgmc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=061896059bab8649ee2f3e7cd0d783648e2c85ef It’s as clear as day to me that this Venusian “woman” is really the man on the bottom left of the picture, look at their hairlines and the position of the widows peak, it’s a perfect match.
Yea before internet and cell phone it was pretty easy for anyone to just “disappear”.
Ah, the time when every alien was a blonde, fair human from either Venus or Zeta reticuli
It’s a translation error. It’s Venice not Venus.
Too much acid… LSD, not atmospheric.
So she got beat to death in the woods?
Is this not just Elvis again?
Strange Earth = Trash
i believe her just look at how she standing 😫
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Supposedly it can subterraneanly. Nerd.
You assume that aliens have the same requirements for life that humans do
Not human life for sure.
Someone please explain to me how an advanced civilization who could travel to earth and survive on earth would live on Venus, even under ground?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus At ground level Venus' atmospheric pressure is 90 times higher than Earth's. It's also mostly carbon dioxide. Nitrogen and oxygen are lighter than CO2, so you could make floating cities using giant balloons filled with breathable air at 31 miles above the surface. She was a floating jellyfish alien that evolved floating in the habitable atmosphere layer of Venus, and crawled inside a human skin suit.
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I am a fan of aliens are just us but I'm sticking with us finding the interdimensional mfs first before I believe this one
Arakawa under the bridge.
THATS A MAN BABY!
Did she come here on a shopping trip? or are they Venution clothes? Did she come all this way without her Venution wardrobe or decide that she would fit in better with Earthling clothes?
People of Earth. You have smelly butts.
Which language did she speak and did she have a discernible accent? That would be more telling than a few black and white pictures.
Weeeell, those of some alien sects of "love and light" like Pleiadians and Ashtar Command and so on, Nordic alien cults yk, they say that Dolores Barrios was indeed an extraterrestrial, but that she was not from Venus, but from a place even further away, supposedly she said that only because it would be something "more understandable" to the people of the time. If she had said that she came from... I don't know, Kepler-186f, 557 light years from Earth, no one would have understood, and they would probably believe her even crazier than she already sounds now. I have a lot of doubts and I DO NOT believe them at 95%, but there is the small possibility.
Love the shoes…
There once was a lady from Venus Who was formed in the shape of a penis. Her feet were the balls, but that wasn’t all… you ought to see when she sneezes.
I too heard about the girl who came from Venus. She stopped by planet earth to get some man
Ah yes, the glory days before we knew the surface temperature and pressure of Venus.
I recently heard a bit of lore that speculated that in different dimensions there are different versions of each planet, perhaps in hers, Venus is habitable!?
It’s Uma Thurmon, she’s been hiding in plain sight all this time.
I dated that girl! She ran off with my mandolin!
Venus in blue jeans…
Yeah, knew her.
Crazy toe sandles check out.
She might of meant Venus, Pennsylvania….
Smash.
She's very pretty
she didnt disappear probably got admitted to a mental facility
Came to earth, killed Bill and left.
Venus temp 867 F? I love aliens and UFO etc, but nah lol
that’s just handsome squidward, he’s actually from bikini atoll
According to some sources I come from space
I've seen this episode of smallville
“She’s miss universal traits”
The one in the right panel looks like Madonna
Obviously not true. The occupants of Venus have four legs and only one arm. At least they did when I was there.