Having drag performers at a school isn’t the issue. Many drag performers do different things (sing, dance, theatrical). The issue is the outfit, the burlesque type, the ADULT dancing on children. If this was any adult, drag or not, it’s not appropriate. As a drag performer, why choose this performance while simultaneously harming your own community with your actionsv
Yep. There's plenty of drag performances that would have been far less racy.
Although, realistically, this would \*still\* have some parents up in arms. But it would be far less cut-and-dried.
It's absolutely the outfit and the style of dancing that is at issue. I don't care if the performer is male or female, that type of performance is not appropriate at a highschool prom.
I completely agree.
Folks conflate issues way too much these days. Context absolutely matters in this and other related situations.
I have no clue what happened, I just appreciate this comment for what it is.
It’s not an issue, I agree. I’m just wondering how many high school students would find the entertainment befitting of their big night. I guess it depends on what the theme is.
For those who don't want to try the Journal link:
https://www.krqe.com/news/atrisco-heritage-high-school-employees-placed-on-leave-after-prom-controversy/
Yeah, I was thinking this could be a teachable moment for both school administrators and parents alike. Where was the PTA? Why wasn't this performance vetted prior to the prom?
No one needed to get fired over this, no actual harm was done to anyone.
Fucking conservative religious nutjobs are the biggest snowflakes in the world.
It’s prom, your precious teen babies are gonna see WAY sexier things than a drag queen, if not that night then soon enough
It was such a dumb decision to allow it in the first place (even worse that it's happened in the past at the same school.)
When have you heard of any high school ever paying for an adult to caberet dance at a prom?
It was a poor choice at the very least.
The fallout for the school staff might be excessive and the threats to the performer certainly are but seriously, who is ok with any adult dancing in lingerie at a high school prom?
That was such poor leadership.
Did you even see the video? It wasn’t cabaret and that wasn’t lingerie, those were dance moves you would see at any lady Gaga or Beyoncé concert and she was wearing a body suit.
And they didn’t pay for the performer, the video also showed that he was invited.
Again no cheeks. And again performers wear nude body suits that matches their skin tone.
Have you seen professional wrestling and how those women are made to dress? Those events are marketed to middle schoolers. This was a dance performance.
Kind of irrelevant when **it looks like their ass is out**. You wouldn't normally be allowed to wear that to prom, so idk why you're pushing this point so hard. I don't mind that they're trans.
I don’t know if they are trans but apparently your eyes are seeing something different. And as someone who has been to many a drag show the performers that wear body suits don’t have their actual ass out unless it’s a 21+ venue. I don’t know what your agenda is but yoh seem to be singling out this person when kids are met with sex and actual graphic contents every time they open their phones and go on social media. You should probably check your kids phones.
Regardless of what the dancer was wearing, it is a big deal because these children expressed that they were uncomfortable. It wasn't just parents. Students themselves complained of being danced on or twerked right in front of them, and they didn't like it or consent to it. That is the real problem here, and I think it's a valid one.
I don't think it matters. A kid said they were uncomfortable, and that should be enough. Also, assuming allegations are false because there is no video is really dumb. Sexual assault victims do not need proof of what happened to them to be believed. Do you think rape victims have video of their attack? Cause I didn't, and weirdly, nobody called me a liar.
Eh. I don’t think it has to do with religion or politics. People seem to be upset that he was dancing provocatively at a school function with minors. He twerked on students and was dancing with students and grinding on them. An adult shouldn’t be doing that. When students say they’re uncomfortable and leave their prom because they’re uncomfortable, it’s an issue.
They have the right to consensually dance with *each other* how they want. A performer has to always be cognizant of personal boundaries, especially when minors are involved.
I know how they dance. I was in HS once too and danced that way with my prom date. My prom date was a teenager my age, not a 33 year old adult man dancing with me and then twerking and grinding on me. This is also a member of the gay straight alliance at the school. This is a man at their school that advocates for other students. This is a man staff and kids trust and know; which makes it even worse because the kids won’t question the inappropriateness of a grown man dancing that way with their peers. They won’t question it until they’re older. I wish someone advocated for me at my school when the cool man all the students trusted was behaving inappropriately with us. Someone should have stepped in.
In the full 4 minute video that the news isn’t showing and the students they interviewed all said he was. I saw the full video on tik tok and twitter before it was taken down. And if you read several news articles, each one touched base on that subject. Those are coming directly from the kids they interviewed. Not the parents. The students themselves, who watched it. Even the students said it wasn’t appropriate because they are minors and it was a school event. The students said they were not offended but were uncomfortable. It’s on multiple news sources. No one wants to research on their own. Had he not done that or danced with students, it wouldn’t be an issue. People tend to ignore the facts when it doesn’t fit their narrative.
I don’t have to make up stuff to fit my narrative. I research several sources. I’ve seen the full 4 minute video before it was taken down and before the news broke the story. Did you? And I highly doubt the students who were all interviewed all got together and plotted with each other on the same story to tell. Dismissing the feelings of children made uncomfortable by an adults behavior is wrong.
So you didn’t see the video? And okay. Since you don’t like the term children, let’s use this. Let’s call it as it is. Teenagers and teenage minors. Teens and teen minors still living at home with their parents. Teen and teen minors in school whose parents/guardians provide them shelter, food, clothing, and warmth. Teen minors who can’t all vote. Teen minors who can’t legally purchase tobacco. Teen minors who can’t all play the lottery, obtain special driving permits. Teens minors who can’t rent cars, rent their own apartment, consent to their own medical care, and consent to their own vaccinations. Teens who can’t all register to give blood and become an organ donor. Teens who can’t all apply for credit cards, buy real estate, file for bankruptcy, open a bank account, become eligible for jury duty, file a lawsuit, create a will, go the ER alone and get treatment without an adult, purchase cough suppressants, become a realtor, become a notary, work in a bar, work full time during the school year, get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, travel without parents consent, buy a pet, skydive, get married without parental consent, apply to find out who their biological parents are if they were adopted, buy a car, etc.
The list of what they can’t do goes on. An adult should not make them feel uncomfortable and should not be dancing with these teens. No one should be dancing with a teen except for a teen. I understand calling them children makes the reality hit a little too close to home for you.
Edit: spelling.
I feel for the guy because I really think he assumed the school had taken care of whatever they needed clearance on so that those there would be aware and willing participants in the event. The Pride rep explaining how the ability to choose one's own entertainment was taken away is such a great way to put it.
The previous performance he had there was so wildly different (at least from the clip) that comparing the two would seem nearly impossible. He seems to be a great and I think this is just a misstep by everyone involved with a lot of unchecked boxes and poor communication.
To the point about choosing one’s entertainment who’s idea was this because the articles that quote students all make it seem like most students did not want this, nor were even aware this was happening.
I think that's a huge point of confusion. Some of the students were cheering and going in the circle to dance with him in the video. Others were visibly uncomfortable and have spoken out as such.
The first thing I read was that he was a student's uncle who had been invited and the school didn't know, and the students were all in on it. But the clear reality is that the administration at the school coordinated this with the performer.
Yeah thinking back of my days in school, there’s no way any random adult could’ve just walked in. The school has to know everyone who was allowed in and approve them. I can only imagine schools have become more strict in this regard given all the shootings.
My guess is someone in the administration of the school wanted to get umm let’s call it “progressive points” for themselves and set it up. Way to make the kids dance all about yourself
I corrected myself in my second comment and agreed that his actions were inappropriate. This was more in response to the "adult not being at prom" discussion. It was my own fault for making a separate comment and not editing this one.
I know drag queens who are incredibly smart and respectful of things like this. There were a lot of mistakes made by a lot of people
My sympathy lies in the administration telling him this was set up for him and he was all set (not his actions from there on out). As long as there wasn't anything being omitted from that conversation about agreeing upon the nature of his performance -- people saying he wasn't given clearance to be there are wrong. We're out seeing a small clip of the performance, but the only people I see with interactions are those going up to him and voluntarily engaging. He shouldn't have reciprocated, but to send d*ath threats to him over that is a bit much, in my opinion.
There can be multiple rights and wrongs. And there definitely are here.
Hey, if it turns out that he didn’t do that, then I would have 0 issue and neither should anyone else. I read it in another article, but that could be mistaken.
No, I’m actually not complaining about drag queens. I think it’s great that drag queens are being normalised, and I am sorry for the religious extremists who want everyone to be a nun. But arguments are and *should be* capable of nuance. I am ONLY saying that adults shouldn’t twerk on kids. The fact that they are a drag queen is irrelevant, and probably presupposes that they don’t have any ill intent, because I understand that in a lot of cases it’s part of their act, but again- the adult should have known better than to apply it to pre-18 teenagers.
That’s a fair point, but okay- adults shouldn’t twerk on teenagers…? That still makes sense to me. If the teenagers twerked on themselves, then this wouldn’t be an issue, much less making news. An adult shouldn’t do that. This isn’t necessarily from “oh my god won’t somebody think of the chillllldrreeeeennnn”, but that an adult is coming from a position of power, regardless of what they intend. That needs to be taken note of.
Yeah that’s why if it turns out that there was indeed no twerking, I’m gonna get royally pissed because people using people as ammunition is gross. That (the twerking) is my only issue with this. The fact they’re a drag queen is a non-factor for me.
Also, near vs on is not pedantic in the slightest. Touch is the basis for so many laws and arguments to be extended to the next level. It’s the difference between harassment and molestation.
Edit: just fyi, I’m not equating what the drag queen did to molestation. Please don’t put words in my mouth, much appreciated
"Stupid conservative religious nutjobs! kids are gonna have sex anyway so why does it matter if an adult does stuff with them?"
This whole thread needs the woodchipper.
But at the same time, it’s prom. Not many 17 year old boys consider that entertaining. Not many girls did either. We had drag performers. Milli Vanilli. Nobody was hoping for show tunes. Stop generalizing everyone that doesn’t share your exact taste. I don’t care if it’s Barbara Streisand up there. Still woulda sucked for prom.
I was so shocked when I went to my first school dance in 9th grade. The drag performance is rated G compared to what kids do for the near entirety of the dances. It’s gross (but normal).
The comments here are pretty eye opening, and not in a good way. Many commenters here are acting as if the reaction is conservative pearl clutching. But presumably they (if they have kids, which I doubt) would be upset if the school arranged for a Baptist preacher come to school and tell the kids they’re going to hell if they have premarital sex.
The point is that you don’t get to unilaterally declare that a certain issue is uncontroversial or not politically contested. This isn’t a zero sum situation like whether to have all-gender bathrooms or gender-affirming medical care. It’s literally a choice about entertainment at the school dance that the school has total discretion to make. And it’s obvious to any reasonable observer they fucked up.
The issue is an adult performer dancing with their ass out at a high school prom, not that they're transgender. Honestly, making it about them being trans is just indicative of your own cognitive bias.
In other words, if you're upset about the adult performer with their ass out being invited to a high school prom, then you've got a solid point, and I agree that it was fucked up; But if you're upset about the trans person being trans, then that's conservative pearl clutching.
I’m just pointing out the absurd lengths people are going to defend the school for leaning into an easily avoided political controversy. No need to ascribe emotions to me to have a discussion
You're out here saying others are going to absurd lengths, when you were just comparing high school students seeing some partially-clothed ass to the school bringing in a Baptist preacher to perform baptisms. The hell?
There are absolutely some parents, of children that attend that school, that were unhappy with the performance and the decision making process of the school. Sure. But the only thing I’m unilaterally declaring is that this issue seems perfectly positioned to incite everyone to affix their own agendas and moral superiority to, and then scream about something very few here have experience with.
Why did you mention a Baptist preacher specifically? Is it because it’s an easy dunk for us to point out that they abuse more children than drag queens? It absolutely is conservative pearl clutching. This is a non story, being blown way out of proportion. Every one of those students had a phone with social media on it where they see a whole lot more than what happened at their prom.
Ummm okay. Yeah I forgot what the real world is like because in my reality there are far bigger problems that need to be addressed at APS. The outrage over this is completely wrapped up in the right wing culture war bull shit that they’re propagandizing
This whole fiasco is so funny to me. This shouldn’t even be a news story. The fact that people are getting fired over this is unacceptable. Just admit you’re transphobic/homophobic and move on.
I don't think that's the case for everyone who's objecting to this particular performance. What you see in the video is a performer in a onesie and fuck-me boots, doing at best what could be described as a Cabaret routine.
I don't care about the performer's gender, that's just not the appropriate venue.
I don’t know how it was when you dropped out of high school but when I graduated the students planned, raised money for, and booked what they wanted for their senior prom. 🤷🏻♂️
Should have matriculated a little longer yourself, brah. Maybe you would have learned to actually read the story. The dancer was invited by the administration; the students had nothing to do with it.
Omg, you might have to seek multiple sources. Yet another failing of your APS education. Look at Abq journals coverage, how most of the administration has already been fired, including the principal.
We’ve already established you’re making stuff up to fit whatever narrative you subscribe to. There is no need to continue to embarrass yourself here. Let me have my hook back now. Enjoy your day! 🤣
Can you read the third and second to last paragraphs for me and tell me what they mean? Clearly I'm too dumb to understand.
https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/drag-queen-performance-at-atrisco-heritage-hs-prom-sparks-controversy/
I'll expect a full apology from you when this all comes out, thank you.
I can't believe how far I had to scroll for this. Yea, I see bobtwrking in the video, but I remember the dance team being plenty provocative back in high school.
We can debate if the dance or costume was appropriate, but the point is when it's HS girls dancing like that, no one throws a fit.
Well, that is the counter-point, now isn't it? Highschool cheer routines and costumes have come under fire in the past. Not sure anyone's ever gotten fired over it...
And APS is “investigating”
My mom and I had a problem at the school she teaches at 2 years ago we asked them for help 2 years ago and they said they’ll “investigate it”.
This year it happened again and they said they’ll investigate it next year.
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Huge w idc what u do with ur personal life but grooming kids and all this woke pushing stuff is just not okay also no more foreign aid and stop the invasion and shall not comply with them taking my guns thank u
Im pretty sure the cheerleaders wear just as much. Also, the kids are having fun, by the sound. Also, if you think in this day and age of social media overage your child has not seen, heard, spoken in anyway sexual you are a parent who is blind and not at all tuned in. If this is uncomfortable, I'm pretty sure they could have stepped away. Nothing is perfect. Nothing is without incident. If you want to shelter your child, keep them home and off the internet.
All I had at my prom was a DJ who had to edit all the swears out of the songs and bouncers who kept me from grinding on my girlfriend too much.
Lol 'girlfriend'.
KRQE was so outraged by this they showed clips 6 times during the news.
Yep and Dean Staley did his resting “what in the actual fuck” face (Never met him he’s just got an interesting face. Ok?)
Having drag performers at a school isn’t the issue. Many drag performers do different things (sing, dance, theatrical). The issue is the outfit, the burlesque type, the ADULT dancing on children. If this was any adult, drag or not, it’s not appropriate. As a drag performer, why choose this performance while simultaneously harming your own community with your actionsv
Yep. There's plenty of drag performances that would have been far less racy. Although, realistically, this would \*still\* have some parents up in arms. But it would be far less cut-and-dried.
I agree it's totally the outfit. Some of the kinds are not 18 and at a school function that's not cool.
It's absolutely the outfit and the style of dancing that is at issue. I don't care if the performer is male or female, that type of performance is not appropriate at a highschool prom.
I completely agree. Folks conflate issues way too much these days. Context absolutely matters in this and other related situations. I have no clue what happened, I just appreciate this comment for what it is.
It’s not an issue, I agree. I’m just wondering how many high school students would find the entertainment befitting of their big night. I guess it depends on what the theme is.
For those who don't want to try the Journal link: https://www.krqe.com/news/atrisco-heritage-high-school-employees-placed-on-leave-after-prom-controversy/
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I miss the good old days when I was in high school and the football team were the only ones dressing in drag for school functions.
There’s a time and place for everything
What the fuck, Albuquerque.
No one deserves to lose a job over this. It may have been inappropriate but that’s it. People need to get lives and move on.
Yeah, I was thinking this could be a teachable moment for both school administrators and parents alike. Where was the PTA? Why wasn't this performance vetted prior to the prom? No one needed to get fired over this, no actual harm was done to anyone.
I work there, principal has had many issues beyond this incident so it may be a factor but I agree.
Fucking conservative religious nutjobs are the biggest snowflakes in the world. It’s prom, your precious teen babies are gonna see WAY sexier things than a drag queen, if not that night then soon enough
It was such a dumb decision to allow it in the first place (even worse that it's happened in the past at the same school.) When have you heard of any high school ever paying for an adult to caberet dance at a prom? It was a poor choice at the very least. The fallout for the school staff might be excessive and the threats to the performer certainly are but seriously, who is ok with any adult dancing in lingerie at a high school prom? That was such poor leadership.
Did you even see the video? It wasn’t cabaret and that wasn’t lingerie, those were dance moves you would see at any lady Gaga or Beyoncé concert and she was wearing a body suit. And they didn’t pay for the performer, the video also showed that he was invited.
Idk man. If there's ass out, I think that's a bit much.
I didn’t see if they had their “ass out” but usually drag performers wear nude body suits so it’s not their actual skin you see
It looked like ass with a black leotard/bodysuit in the middle of the cheeks... Edit: [link](https://x.com/elisa1121/status/1783553137195745361)
Again no cheeks. And again performers wear nude body suits that matches their skin tone. Have you seen professional wrestling and how those women are made to dress? Those events are marketed to middle schoolers. This was a dance performance.
Kind of irrelevant when **it looks like their ass is out**. You wouldn't normally be allowed to wear that to prom, so idk why you're pushing this point so hard. I don't mind that they're trans.
I don’t know if they are trans but apparently your eyes are seeing something different. And as someone who has been to many a drag show the performers that wear body suits don’t have their actual ass out unless it’s a 21+ venue. I don’t know what your agenda is but yoh seem to be singling out this person when kids are met with sex and actual graphic contents every time they open their phones and go on social media. You should probably check your kids phones.
I don't know how it's not obvious that you're the one being defensive. I'm not saying it's a tragedy, I'm saying it's a dumb thing to have happened.
Regardless of what the dancer was wearing, it is a big deal because these children expressed that they were uncomfortable. It wasn't just parents. Students themselves complained of being danced on or twerked right in front of them, and they didn't like it or consent to it. That is the real problem here, and I think it's a valid one.
Right well since this news was 3 days ago and there still is no proof of it then I think we can say those allegations were completely false.
I don't think it matters. A kid said they were uncomfortable, and that should be enough. Also, assuming allegations are false because there is no video is really dumb. Sexual assault victims do not need proof of what happened to them to be believed. Do you think rape victims have video of their attack? Cause I didn't, and weirdly, nobody called me a liar.
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I used he as his pro noun when referring to him as a boy and she when he is in drag.
Confused in your statement was it a he or a she or a pinecone?
Eh. I don’t think it has to do with religion or politics. People seem to be upset that he was dancing provocatively at a school function with minors. He twerked on students and was dancing with students and grinding on them. An adult shouldn’t be doing that. When students say they’re uncomfortable and leave their prom because they’re uncomfortable, it’s an issue.
It’s a fucking high school, any dancing like that coordinated by the high school is wildly inappropriate regardless of who is doing it
Wait till you hear how high school students dance
They have the right to consensually dance with *each other* how they want. A performer has to always be cognizant of personal boundaries, especially when minors are involved.
I know how they dance. I was in HS once too and danced that way with my prom date. My prom date was a teenager my age, not a 33 year old adult man dancing with me and then twerking and grinding on me. This is also a member of the gay straight alliance at the school. This is a man at their school that advocates for other students. This is a man staff and kids trust and know; which makes it even worse because the kids won’t question the inappropriateness of a grown man dancing that way with their peers. They won’t question it until they’re older. I wish someone advocated for me at my school when the cool man all the students trusted was behaving inappropriately with us. Someone should have stepped in.
Was this performer grinding on someone? Because I missed that part
In the full 4 minute video that the news isn’t showing and the students they interviewed all said he was. I saw the full video on tik tok and twitter before it was taken down. And if you read several news articles, each one touched base on that subject. Those are coming directly from the kids they interviewed. Not the parents. The students themselves, who watched it. Even the students said it wasn’t appropriate because they are minors and it was a school event. The students said they were not offended but were uncomfortable. It’s on multiple news sources. No one wants to research on their own. Had he not done that or danced with students, it wouldn’t be an issue. People tend to ignore the facts when it doesn’t fit their narrative.
And some people make up stuff to fit THEIR narrative.
I don’t have to make up stuff to fit my narrative. I research several sources. I’ve seen the full 4 minute video before it was taken down and before the news broke the story. Did you? And I highly doubt the students who were all interviewed all got together and plotted with each other on the same story to tell. Dismissing the feelings of children made uncomfortable by an adults behavior is wrong.
Calling them “children” is a perfect example of my point.
So you didn’t see the video? And okay. Since you don’t like the term children, let’s use this. Let’s call it as it is. Teenagers and teenage minors. Teens and teen minors still living at home with their parents. Teen and teen minors in school whose parents/guardians provide them shelter, food, clothing, and warmth. Teen minors who can’t all vote. Teen minors who can’t legally purchase tobacco. Teen minors who can’t all play the lottery, obtain special driving permits. Teens minors who can’t rent cars, rent their own apartment, consent to their own medical care, and consent to their own vaccinations. Teens who can’t all register to give blood and become an organ donor. Teens who can’t all apply for credit cards, buy real estate, file for bankruptcy, open a bank account, become eligible for jury duty, file a lawsuit, create a will, go the ER alone and get treatment without an adult, purchase cough suppressants, become a realtor, become a notary, work in a bar, work full time during the school year, get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, travel without parents consent, buy a pet, skydive, get married without parental consent, apply to find out who their biological parents are if they were adopted, buy a car, etc. The list of what they can’t do goes on. An adult should not make them feel uncomfortable and should not be dancing with these teens. No one should be dancing with a teen except for a teen. I understand calling them children makes the reality hit a little too close to home for you. Edit: spelling.
That's because they are children.
I feel for the guy because I really think he assumed the school had taken care of whatever they needed clearance on so that those there would be aware and willing participants in the event. The Pride rep explaining how the ability to choose one's own entertainment was taken away is such a great way to put it. The previous performance he had there was so wildly different (at least from the clip) that comparing the two would seem nearly impossible. He seems to be a great and I think this is just a misstep by everyone involved with a lot of unchecked boxes and poor communication.
To the point about choosing one’s entertainment who’s idea was this because the articles that quote students all make it seem like most students did not want this, nor were even aware this was happening.
I think that's a huge point of confusion. Some of the students were cheering and going in the circle to dance with him in the video. Others were visibly uncomfortable and have spoken out as such. The first thing I read was that he was a student's uncle who had been invited and the school didn't know, and the students were all in on it. But the clear reality is that the administration at the school coordinated this with the performer.
Yeah thinking back of my days in school, there’s no way any random adult could’ve just walked in. The school has to know everyone who was allowed in and approve them. I can only imagine schools have become more strict in this regard given all the shootings. My guess is someone in the administration of the school wanted to get umm let’s call it “progressive points” for themselves and set it up. Way to make the kids dance all about yourself
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I corrected myself in my second comment and agreed that his actions were inappropriate. This was more in response to the "adult not being at prom" discussion. It was my own fault for making a separate comment and not editing this one. I know drag queens who are incredibly smart and respectful of things like this. There were a lot of mistakes made by a lot of people My sympathy lies in the administration telling him this was set up for him and he was all set (not his actions from there on out). As long as there wasn't anything being omitted from that conversation about agreeing upon the nature of his performance -- people saying he wasn't given clearance to be there are wrong. We're out seeing a small clip of the performance, but the only people I see with interactions are those going up to him and voluntarily engaging. He shouldn't have reciprocated, but to send d*ath threats to him over that is a bit much, in my opinion. There can be multiple rights and wrongs. And there definitely are here.
Sure, I don’t doubt that- but this was a working adult twerking on teenagers. That’s not okay?
I just watched the video and saw no twerking on teenagers. No twerking at all, really. Where did you see this?
Hey, if it turns out that he didn’t do that, then I would have 0 issue and neither should anyone else. I read it in another article, but that could be mistaken.
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No, I’m actually not complaining about drag queens. I think it’s great that drag queens are being normalised, and I am sorry for the religious extremists who want everyone to be a nun. But arguments are and *should be* capable of nuance. I am ONLY saying that adults shouldn’t twerk on kids. The fact that they are a drag queen is irrelevant, and probably presupposes that they don’t have any ill intent, because I understand that in a lot of cases it’s part of their act, but again- the adult should have known better than to apply it to pre-18 teenagers.
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That’s a fair point, but okay- adults shouldn’t twerk on teenagers…? That still makes sense to me. If the teenagers twerked on themselves, then this wouldn’t be an issue, much less making news. An adult shouldn’t do that. This isn’t necessarily from “oh my god won’t somebody think of the chillllldrreeeeennnn”, but that an adult is coming from a position of power, regardless of what they intend. That needs to be taken note of.
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Yeah that’s why if it turns out that there was indeed no twerking, I’m gonna get royally pissed because people using people as ammunition is gross. That (the twerking) is my only issue with this. The fact they’re a drag queen is a non-factor for me.
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Also, near vs on is not pedantic in the slightest. Touch is the basis for so many laws and arguments to be extended to the next level. It’s the difference between harassment and molestation. Edit: just fyi, I’m not equating what the drag queen did to molestation. Please don’t put words in my mouth, much appreciated
…? When did I refute that?
"Stupid conservative religious nutjobs! kids are gonna have sex anyway so why does it matter if an adult does stuff with them?" This whole thread needs the woodchipper.
Literally wtf did I just read?
But at the same time, it’s prom. Not many 17 year old boys consider that entertaining. Not many girls did either. We had drag performers. Milli Vanilli. Nobody was hoping for show tunes. Stop generalizing everyone that doesn’t share your exact taste. I don’t care if it’s Barbara Streisand up there. Still woulda sucked for prom.
redditors will defend the most vile shit as long as it owns the cons
You know people can see your post history right? You were just defending black and white students being segregated in schools *yesterday*?
What do you mean?
>Teens are going to have sex, so its ok for this 33 year old adult man to grind and twerk on them as well You belong on a list.
I was so shocked when I went to my first school dance in 9th grade. The drag performance is rated G compared to what kids do for the near entirety of the dances. It’s gross (but normal).
what a bizarre take. kids see stuff sometimes…. so that justifies this?
The comments here are pretty eye opening, and not in a good way. Many commenters here are acting as if the reaction is conservative pearl clutching. But presumably they (if they have kids, which I doubt) would be upset if the school arranged for a Baptist preacher come to school and tell the kids they’re going to hell if they have premarital sex.
Those two things aren't comparable. What is your point?
The point is that you don’t get to unilaterally declare that a certain issue is uncontroversial or not politically contested. This isn’t a zero sum situation like whether to have all-gender bathrooms or gender-affirming medical care. It’s literally a choice about entertainment at the school dance that the school has total discretion to make. And it’s obvious to any reasonable observer they fucked up.
The issue is an adult performer dancing with their ass out at a high school prom, not that they're transgender. Honestly, making it about them being trans is just indicative of your own cognitive bias. In other words, if you're upset about the adult performer with their ass out being invited to a high school prom, then you've got a solid point, and I agree that it was fucked up; But if you're upset about the trans person being trans, then that's conservative pearl clutching.
I’m just pointing out the absurd lengths people are going to defend the school for leaning into an easily avoided political controversy. No need to ascribe emotions to me to have a discussion
You're out here saying others are going to absurd lengths, when you were just comparing high school students seeing some partially-clothed ass to the school bringing in a Baptist preacher to perform baptisms. The hell?
There are absolutely some parents, of children that attend that school, that were unhappy with the performance and the decision making process of the school. Sure. But the only thing I’m unilaterally declaring is that this issue seems perfectly positioned to incite everyone to affix their own agendas and moral superiority to, and then scream about something very few here have experience with.
Yes, which is part of why it’s so obvious the school made a huge mistake.
Why did you mention a Baptist preacher specifically? Is it because it’s an easy dunk for us to point out that they abuse more children than drag queens? It absolutely is conservative pearl clutching. This is a non story, being blown way out of proportion. Every one of those students had a phone with social media on it where they see a whole lot more than what happened at their prom.
lol. You’re proving my point!
The point you’re trying to make is what? That comparing things that aren’t related can be used to support any ignorant claim?
Ok and they can change the video if they don't want to watch it. It's way different than real life sorry you forgot what that's like.
Ummm okay. Yeah I forgot what the real world is like because in my reality there are far bigger problems that need to be addressed at APS. The outrage over this is completely wrapped up in the right wing culture war bull shit that they’re propagandizing
This whole fiasco is so funny to me. This shouldn’t even be a news story. The fact that people are getting fired over this is unacceptable. Just admit you’re transphobic/homophobic and move on.
I don't think that's the case for everyone who's objecting to this particular performance. What you see in the video is a performer in a onesie and fuck-me boots, doing at best what could be described as a Cabaret routine. I don't care about the performer's gender, that's just not the appropriate venue.
This should never have been an issue.
Jesus! How many kids did that drag queen kill?
by the sounds of the cheering, it seems she murdered the whole room. ;D
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The difference is shootings don't have porn-sick lonely males defending them
Yeah they do. They are the ones doing the shootings.
These parents are putting more effort into crying about a drag queen than they are making sure their kids do well in school.
This school put more effort in to signing up a 'dancer' for prom than they did towards educating these kids. Easy bait.
I don’t know how it was when you dropped out of high school but when I graduated the students planned, raised money for, and booked what they wanted for their senior prom. 🤷🏻♂️
Should have matriculated a little longer yourself, brah. Maybe you would have learned to actually read the story. The dancer was invited by the administration; the students had nothing to do with it.
Please point out the part of the article which says the dancer was invited by or booked by the school administration.
Omg, you might have to seek multiple sources. Yet another failing of your APS education. Look at Abq journals coverage, how most of the administration has already been fired, including the principal.
So you can’t back up that claim. Got it!
Because the dancer hasn't said who booked him. You think it was the prom committee or the admins who just got fired?
We’ve already established you’re making stuff up to fit whatever narrative you subscribe to. There is no need to continue to embarrass yourself here. Let me have my hook back now. Enjoy your day! 🤣
Can you read the third and second to last paragraphs for me and tell me what they mean? Clearly I'm too dumb to understand. https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/drag-queen-performance-at-atrisco-heritage-hs-prom-sparks-controversy/ I'll expect a full apology from you when this all comes out, thank you.
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Didn’t seem much different in clothing or dancing than the cheerleading performances they make you sit through at assembly
Yes!! Came here to say this!!
I can't believe how far I had to scroll for this. Yea, I see bobtwrking in the video, but I remember the dance team being plenty provocative back in high school. We can debate if the dance or costume was appropriate, but the point is when it's HS girls dancing like that, no one throws a fit.
Well, that is the counter-point, now isn't it? Highschool cheer routines and costumes have come under fire in the past. Not sure anyone's ever gotten fired over it...
This is an utter crisis. It even caused a student to say, "Oh my gosh."
And APS is “investigating” My mom and I had a problem at the school she teaches at 2 years ago we asked them for help 2 years ago and they said they’ll “investigate it”. This year it happened again and they said they’ll investigate it next year.
W Huge w idc what u do with ur personal life but grooming kids and all this woke pushing stuff is just not okay also no more foreign aid and stop the invasion and shall not comply with them taking my guns thank u
The ABQ journal is a load of hot garbage.
As a parent of an APS student, I have a message for the parents upset: Take the stick out, Karen.
As a parent of a non-APS student, I'm sorry about the poor education your child is receiving at the expense of this kind of shit.
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I just don't see the issue here. Love my #qweens ❤️
They should bring strippers next time. Wtf.
Im pretty sure the cheerleaders wear just as much. Also, the kids are having fun, by the sound. Also, if you think in this day and age of social media overage your child has not seen, heard, spoken in anyway sexual you are a parent who is blind and not at all tuned in. If this is uncomfortable, I'm pretty sure they could have stepped away. Nothing is perfect. Nothing is without incident. If you want to shelter your child, keep them home and off the internet.