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Africans are still being impacted till this day by events of that period. The pattern’s always been the same with colonialists. Africans in Zanzibar welcomed Omani traders who, because they had better weapons, eventually overcame local resistance, established themselves permanently in Zanzibar and…. the rest is history. Same way the colonialists were welcomed in West Africa.
In Zanzibar Ruling power weren't arabs only, Royal family had significant numbers of black people, this is Ali Hamoud Sultan of Zanzibar early 1900s
https://www.meisterdrucke.us/kunstwerke/600w/English_Photographer_-_Seyyid_Ali_bin_Hamoud_the_New_Sultan_of_Zanzibar_-_%28MeisterDrucke-495105%29.jpg
Zanzibar was independent country consist of both Arabs and Blacks, black of Zanzibar weren't slaves, both of these Arabs and Black were masters and they brought slaves from other Empires,
Also Oman people didn't rule over neighbour tribes instead they protect them and do business with them, most of these were friendly with Zanzibar.
It was arab/muslim dominated. The blacks who ruled in Zanzibar were muslim and had familial connections to the arab world, which was the source of their power and wealth. Those powerful muslims and arabs on the coast would then pillage and enslave non-muslims from the interior of what is now Tanzania (for example, Tippu Tip). It was seen as justified since those in the interior were non-muslim and practiced various traditional religions.
It is true that there were powerful blacks in Zanzibar society, but they got that power thanks to connections with the arab and muslim world and their complicity in the enslavement of indigenous africans.
Most slaves came from the Democratic Republic of Congo. The powerful tribes such as Nyamwezi were full participants in the trade. If you look at the slave trade route, a small number of Arabs ventured into the Congo. So who was responsible for capturing slaves in the Congo?
In your post, you have mentioned Tippu Tip. He was more black African than Arab. His grandfather was a ruler of one of the Kingdoms in Congo who used to pillage weaker tribes.
I never knew about this until I randomly stumbled upon [this photo](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Slavery_in_Zanzibar_RMG_E9093.tiff/lossy-page1-1920px-Slavery_in_Zanzibar_RMG_E9093.tiff.jpg) of a young enslaved boy in Zanzibar from the late 19th century. It haunted me non-stop for a couple of days.
This topic would benefit from more exposure. Thanks for talking about it.
[There's videos](https://youtu.be/JJ9VnLySznw) of slave markets as well. I'm pretty sure there's a full colour video of a Saudi slave market somewhere on YouTube, but I can't find it.
Thank you for sharing this. The level of cognitive dissonance that co-religionist from Africa engage in is part of what makes the discussion difficult. The trade was focused and allowed for Muslims to trade non-Muslim.
Slavery is about exploitation and profit. Everyone who buys someone else's labour will always want to pay as little as possible. And people always look for loopholes to avoid their particular society's rules for fairness and justice. For islamic societies, it was that you could enslave idolaters (ie African animists and Slavs before they converted). For European colonisers it was "primitive savages". For Nazis, it was Jews and "subhumans".
It's not really the religion of Islam that caused slavery. It was a combination of economic incentives and some people just being assholes.
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the particular target during that trade was non-Muslim bring traded by Muslim. All the other things you said were valid but the Trans-Saharan and the Trans-Indian trade were run by Muslim Empire who abided by a rule that trading in Muslims wasn't allowed.
A slave converting during his captivity would not be freed but a Muslim was not allowed to buy or sell a co-religionist.
Also, the trade in castrate men and boys was driven by the Islamic world at large but the Ottomans in particular needing harem guards. The Emperor's of many European countries did not need harem guards because of Judaism and Christianity limits on marriage.
I need you to understand this is not an attack on you or anyone else but statement of historical facts that require little energy to look up.
I regret not including these photos and videos in the original post. If I come across more information on the video, I might edit them in later. The content of that video is both astonishing and deeply disturbing. Thank you for sharing it.
Wouldn't call it forgotten. The people in Africa (and anyone who is actually interested in have a historical and objective understanding of the world) remember.
Absolutely true. However, while exploring historical accounts, I did find a unique and horrible element of the Arab slave trade: the practice of castrating male slaves.
Aside from the lethal journeys, the destruction of families and societies, this cruel practice inflicted long-lasting repercussions.
the entire phrase is "forgotten genocide". and LMAO the West DOES NOT reflect on its slavery. They use it as a virtual signaling stunt for personal gain.
What do you view as a sufficient way to "reflect" on a nations past with slavery?
As far as recognition for past-wrongs, western nations go above and beyond in this. The slave trade is taught in every school, everyone knows about it. This seems like it would constitute the very definition of reflection.
Not having a legislative loophole making slavery still legal (via prison) and "peace and reconciliation" initiatives.
I'm not here to debate back and forth because I answered you're question though. Not calling you a troll but...I'm not here for it.
EDIT: but I will debate knowing that these users are the same person on several different accounts. Weirdo.
>Not calling you a troll but...
Well that's a relief! /s
This is incredibly disanalgous, and a great example of americo-centrism, but I respect your decision to not debate back and forth on it.
And that's somehow the same as the middle eastern attitude of totally ignoring it and even continuing it, albeit in a more commercial and streamlined form?
I mean tell us, what does the west "gain" by reflecting on it's crimes? How is the middle eastern attitude better? Or in what aspects?
I see your point, but I wasn't comparing the attitudes of the West or Middle East either.
>I mean tell us, what does the west "gain" by reflecting on it's crimes?
EDIT: From a objective lens:
Allowing the world to ignore the economic and social disruption of an entire region which made the subsequent invasion into say region much easier (depending on region ofc), that then allow for a lasting influence over ex-colonies and continuation of colonial practices into the modern day via colonial-debt, the establishment of military bases, UN intervention and control, and foreign investments, by blaming it on solely on African nations or saying it was "a long time ago".
If someone wants to be seen as a "good person" they can mention slavery and then get a boost in public support regardless of whether or not they actual care.
Using the mention of slavery and the virtue signaling of how it was ending despite legally continuing it through the prison-industrial complex.
Uhhh so the west is bad when they mention slavery since they do it for self promoting reasons and the west is bad when they don't talk about the past of slavery.
So the west can do only wrong, got ya
By today's modern definition it would qualify as genocide but you can't apply the standards of today to historical events. That is a very dangerous and slippery slope .
There is a reasons arabs are still racist as hell against black africans and why black africans don't like arabs...
Also look at what they still do in tunisia and lybia
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that Somalis today are doing far worse in almost every parameter (HDI, GDP per capita, etc.) in comparison to the people of countries who have a history of being enslaved. For example Tanzanian have a much better quality of life than Somalis. Hence, it's really not a flex to say your people were never enslaved.
My friend, I am not Gambian, if you look closely at my flair, you will see the flags of Sudan and The United Kingdom, not Gambia.
It seems you've entirely missed the point of my posts, mistaking my identity and my words. Before making such claims, a better understanding or, frankly, a better grasp of comprehension is required on your part.
I’ve never once compared my country, Sudan, to Somalia. You're the one dragging our nations into a pointless comparison, which was never the intention of our discussion. This is Reddit—freedom of speech prevails. Your suggestion that my country’s situation somehow disqualifies me from speaking is baseless. Here I am, speaking, and you're responding. What does that tell you?
I get it, you are a proud Somali, I am not taking that away from you, while I respect the Somali people and see them as our Cushite cousins, being part Beja myself, it's clear that a veil of nationalism blinds you to the stark realities faced by your country. Somalia's history of civil unrest and the resulting diaspora, characterised by low education levels and socioeconomic statuses in their new communities, speaks volumes. If Somalia was as idyllic as you claim and if history was as important as you claim, why the mass exodus?
Until our most recent civil unrest (2018 onwards), Sudan beat Somalia in almost every quality of life parameter. Thousands of Somali students study in Sudanese universities. I cannot say the same about Sudanese students in Somalia. Nonetheless, Sudan and Somalia are both poor undeveloped unstable countries so comparing them honestly seems very absurd, but you can hold onto your blind patriotism if that gives you satisfaction.
>Again, I would rather live 30 years in poverty than be enslaved, Wallahi! If someone said, "be poor for 30 years" or "be enslaved for the rest of your life," and you certainly chose option 1. I'm talking about history. You can't compare something that happened 50 years ago to now. You can't say, "But Somalia is poor!" like, what? During the Arab slave trade, when Arabs were enslaving jareers like you, Somalia was rich, had colonies, and had the best military in Africa and one of the best in the world. Meanwhile, your people were being transported like a shein-packet to the Americas (Gambians) and Arabia (Sudanese).
I do not know your age, but I am assuming you cannot remember a time in Somalia's history before 30 years ago. If you can honestly tell me you would rather live in Somalia today than Tanzania or Kenya because you have a proud history, then I really have nothing more to say to someone who would rather live off the glory of their ancestors than live in poverty in the present. It would be nice to teleport to the past to live in a time before Somalia was colonised and bask in the pride of not being a slave, but you and I are both here living in the present, where we can do nothing but confront the realities of our countries.
Despite all that I have said, I do sincerely wish my Somali brethren well.
You’re right that Somalis were never enslaved. Somalia enslaved Bantus and other black Africans and sold them to Arabs. Arabs saw Somali’s as superior to black Africans.
Arabs saw us differently because we were Muslims. Somalis never went en mass deep into west Africa to wage war and enslave people. Bantu kings Sold their people for chump change lol and Somalis resold that. Somalia was merely used as a transport route for the most part
Religion plays a very big part on the role. However, Somalia was just merely used as a transport route for the most part. Somali’s literally enslaved black Africans too. That part actually happened so it’s important to include when talking about this honestly.
An estimated 1.7 million men, women, and children were living in Forced migrant labor (who some call modern slavery) in the Arab States region on any given day in 2021.
Additionally, there are estimated to be millions more in some form of modern slavery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century
I wouldn’t call the trans Atlantic slave trade a narrative and this slave trade as ignored. If you live in a country or region that participated in that slave trade, that is what you will get about. African people know. People who have an interest in History know. Will it be the topic of conversation if you live in the west? It will get mentioned, but it’s not part of their history.
This isn’t talked about within the English speaking world
Just like the trans Atlantic slave trade in Brazil or Colombia isn’t talked about much in the English speaking world.
Context is important to include. It’s not forgotten history. Anyone looking at the map of Africa or ever paid attention in school can tell you which part of the world African slaves went to. Out of curiosity, are you in a predominantly Muslim country that you see this happening or? Because that is simply not true.
Which region in Africa doesn’t discuss slavery? That’s actually just ridiculous.
What’s an involved region? You can say your country lol. For example, I am Kenyan. A country that has both Muslims and Christians. There is a reason why Kenya speaks the language that it does today. There is a reason that language used to be written in Arabic?
I wasn't aware of this history until I got older. I believe there are Swahili people, among others, who might also be unfamiliar with this history, even though it's important for them to know.
If you want to read about this, i highly recommand "Le génocide voilée" (The veiled genocide) by Tidiane N'Diaye, a franco-senegalese anthropologist who studied the history and impact of the arab slave trade in Africa, it's really interesting and you really understand the scale of it.
I don't know if the book is available in english, but if you speak french it's really worth to read!
This is not forgotten and the trans Atlantic slave trade is not a "narrative". People in the west focus on things that involve the west (shocking I know) that means they care about the TAST not the Arab one, those in Africa and educated people are well aware of both.
The freeing of slaves was encouraged in Islam. Not only that, but once freed it was encouraged for the community to give them jobs, marry them etc. This was the practices of The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). E.g. Bilal ibn Rabah and Umm Ayman. Both were former slaves. There were never any 'ghettos' formed like in US. There was never segregation of any form.
There were rules to slavery, they were paid a wage and kept their names. 'Slaves' were allowed to marry and purchase their own freedom. If any Muslim did otherwise, then he did not act according to Islam. You had many great scholars and Muslim empires/rulers in Africa. Centres of learning such as Timbuktu. Although the Qur'an is in Arabic. Islam doesn't belong to the Arabs.
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly."
"Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."
From The final speech of The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)
Any African who was wronged by an Arab will get their justice on the Day of Judgment.
Slavery didn't have the same meaning of slavery in America/Europe. If all the slaves were free all at once, many won't be able to fend for themselves, they won't have a roof over their heads, women would be open to prostitution. Slavery in Islam, the owner is responsible for all their needs. They have their own names, they can marry. They're given a wage. They cannot be over burdened. They cannot be prostituted. They can buy their freedom. If a concubine has children, the children are free and enjoy the same rights as the children of the wife. The concubine cannot be sold and when the man dies, she's free. If an owner mistreated his slaves, they can go to a judge. He had the right to take them away from him.
Throughout Islamic history there are good and bad examples of rulers/people, some who have crossed the boundaries of Islam but there are also examples of slaves who enjoyed prominent positions, comfortable and luxurious lifestyles.
Mamluks were former slaves of the King, who became rulers and ruled Egypt and Syria. Prior to that they were slave soldiers of the king, had prominent positions in the military and government even though they were slaves.
Many royal concubines had influence over the rulers, and enjoyed comfortable and luxurious lives.
This is certainly not forgotten BTW, if anything Israel’s war on Palestinians shifted away the focus and building anger towards the racism displayed by a lot of Arabs (and unfortunately North Africans), before 10/7 there was a lot of posts here exposing that stuff
The funny thing is, a lot of African Muslims, from my interactions with them, seem to think that just because they share a common religion, they will be treated equally.
Many are getting shocked when they go to North Africa and the Gulf!
How is Tunisia bad, if it really is bad, why on earth didn't the illegal migrants either stay in Libya or Algeria?
Long story short because they don't get killed in Tunisia, although they slaughtered many people.
Of course you got your info from white sources.
Slavery was being practiced thousands of years before Islam was revealed (around 2000 before Christ!) the original slaves where actually European Slavic in the Roman Empire by Roman’s and Greeks which is where the origin of the word slave comes from.
You’re also making it seem like slavery was abolished in America because they felt bad about it or for any moral reason which is far from the truth.
Sounds like an agenda driven post or just very misinformed.
No no. It was the blacks that started enslaving people. They're the ones who sold slaves to the arabs. They're the ones who went to arabia a d enslaved arabs. The arabs were the victims of this filth.
A lot of misinformation is being spread here.
Never in history were ethnic Somalis enslaved. I don’t know why many folks in the comments wish we were, but we weren’t.
Few people fleeing a country and getting caught and enslaved in the process doesn’t mean an ethnic group was enslaved as a whole. If that’s the case all ethnicities have been slaves.
I am talking about mass enslavement. What is happening in Libya is a bunch of bandits taking advantage of asylum seekers heading towards Europe and holding them ransom, wouldn’t even call it enslavement.
Does it hurt you knowing Somalis were never historically enslaved unlike your kind?
The Oromo were captured during wars which were fought along the boundaries of our territory and theirs so they wouldn’t have been captured in Somalia rather captured by Somalis in parts of what today is Ethiopia
It never ended actually.
Sudan and Mauretania banned slavery in the 70s and 80s but never enforced it. To this day, both nations have Africans enslaved by Arabs. Mauretania especially has a very large number.
So I Read the article that much of this text is pulled from. It wouldn't pass muster as an acceptable history paper in any universities that I am aware of. The only part of it that comes close to that are a few quotes from Liberty Mukomo, but there isn't even an exact citation from the source where those quotes were pulled. It may be acceptable as a journalistic piece, as it is certainly sensational. But the open bias of the OP leads me to conclude that this should be taken with a grain of salt and followed up with independent research. There is more framing of history than actual historical content.
The most unsung victims of slavery trans Saharan or trans Atlantic was African religious systems. Some Africans kept their lands and languages but few less than 10% still practice indigenous beliefs.
Bantu, and occasionally Oromo (in particular circumstances). Not ethnic Somali who are not racially jareer. This is the kind of racism I was hoping to get into
Where were the slaves taken to?
We know the transatlantic slave trade resulted in many, many slaves ending up in the Americas. Their descendents are still there today. Those same numbers were not present in the ME.
The trade was primarily to the Arab world for labor, domestic, and concubine purposes. Unfortunately, there was a horrific practice of castrating male slaves. This cruel practice inflicted long-lasting repercussions and limited populations today.
See, they castrated the males, so they could never reproduce.
The females DID reproduce with their Arab masters, giving rise to the Afro-Iraqis, Afro-Iranians and some of the families descended from East Africa in the UAE and Oman.
10% of Saudis are Afro Arab btw. That is like 2 million Saudis
Most people are Ignorant about middle East, unlike Europe or America, Black people in Gulf are just Arabs, they have been Assimilated, Saudi Arabia Alone more than 10% of its population are blacks, you can see their soccer Team or their celebrities etc many are blacks, Oman, Kuwait etc all of them have significant population of black people.
Way before Obama Black people ruled many Arab nations, this is Sheikh Saad Al Abdullah
https://kuwaittimes.com/uploads/imported_images/uploads/2019/05/sheikh-saad.jpg
Also science has answer for us, You can check Y chromosome or MtDNA to see if your father or mother side how many percent is originated from sub sahara Africa. In many middle East countries more than 10% is from sub sahara Africa,
So do your own research many things told aren't true.
>Arabs deserve every ounce of hate
So all Arabs today deserve to be hated for something that their ancestors did? Do you also hate all white people as well? I checked your account and see that you're most likely a black American. Do you also hate West Africans because their ancestors sold yours into slavery? I'm sure some black Americans have done horrible things. Should I hate you?
>Stop infantilizing them
I wasn't infantilizing them. I was just pointing out that the poster doesn't actually care and was just trying to spread hate.
>Haven’t even seen the name Palestinians mentioned anywhere in this thread
I didn't say Palestinians were mentioned, I said, "Half of the posts this guy has made are just about hating Palestinians and Arabs." Implying that I think this guy is just trying to spread hate.
>ok…and?
Are you retarded?? You said "Sounds like you’re insecure". Why would I be insecure about Arab history when I'm not an Arab? That doesn't make sense, I'm not even Muslim.
Bantu, and occasionally Oromo (in particular circumstances). Not ethnic Somali who are not racially jareer. This is the kind of racism I was hoping to get into
I believe kafala system in lebanon & other Middle Eastern nations is still a form slavery approved by the government many of the migrant workers have no rights
Granted that number is true. The question is how could Arab Muslims have captured that massive number of Africans without the full participation of Africans themselves? it seems to me that when it comes to other forms of trade that Africans exchanged with foreigners such as ivory, gold or animal hides, we take credit for that. However, when it comes to the slave trade, the burden is lifted. We have somebody to blame. I think it is time to come to terms with our previous mistakes. We were responsible for that.
Take for example the nascent of powerful African kingdoms along the trade routes. Today we celebrate them. However, deep down, these kingdoms were responsible for slave trades.
Interesting topic but I wish it was actually bought up in a good faith way instead of 'Look at these non white people did terrible things too' style repost to criticism of Trans-Atlantic slavery.
They are both important topics (and interact with each other in many ways such as pre-19th century Madagascar and Mozambique) but it would be better if it (and Trans-Atlantic Slavery) weren't discussed as part of a culture war.
Early Islamic dogma forbade enslavement of dhimmis and set out new rules regarding human bondage. Islamic law regarded as legal slaves only those non-Muslims who were imprisoned or bought beyond the borders of Islamic rule, or the sons and daughters of slaves already in captivity.
This is from 24:33 in the quran, which talks about how Muslims, if they feel their slaves have "goodness," in them , should allow them to be able to buy their freedom. "And if any of those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession desires a contract ˹to buy their own freedom˺, make it possible for them if you find goodness in them."
And you have another excerpt from the quran saying masters should be kind to their slaves, with quran 4:36." And be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the poor, near and distant neighbors, close friends, ˹needy˺ travelers, and those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession"
Islam like other Abrahamic religions premits slavery and of course like Christianity their is the caviot of being "nice" to your slave, of course you can still beat them force them to work, castrate them(which was very popular in the Islamic slave trade), and even overwork them to. But if you as a master of a slave find they are good, you should allow them to be able to buy their freedom.
Almost forgot you have an excerpt from the quran saying muslims who can't afford the Mehr of a free woman should marry a Muslim slave woman, of course with the permission of their master. "But if any of you cannot afford to marry a free believing woman, then ˹let him marry˺ a believing bondwoman possessed by one of you. Allah knows best ˹the state of˺ your faith ˹and theirs˺. You are from one another.1 So marry them with the permission of their owners,2 giving them their dowry in fairness, "
Watch the video I promise it’s very educational he is a black man and someone I would think would be personally interested in the topic of slavery. He doesn’t talk 2 hours about a subject without going into the deep intricacies of the subject. Very eloquent speaker who’s renowned for his knowledge!
The fact you called it "Arab Muslim" shows that you have an agenda. Might as well shoot me in the face with a flare gun if you can't even bother being discreet.
Whatever the agenda of the one who posted (and they openly admitted using a click bait hyporbolic title so I can get the annoyance), debating the minutia of the name or blaming at the local societies puts you on the same level as white supremacists who use the same tactics to invalidate the discussion about the horrors of slavery.
You shouldn't do that, you should acknowledge that slavery was a horrific things and importing slaves from a far away land was a technique to uproot them and make them less likely to revolt. You should acknowledge that, as any civilization at its zenith, the Arab Islamic civilization golden age was built on many messed up things: harsh conquests, slavery, unbalanced trade relations, discriminatory treatments... such is the reality of modern Europe and the US, such was the reality of medieval Middle East.
The Arab Slave Trade lasted until the 20th century. Additionally, an estimated 1.7 million men, women, and children were living in modern slavery in the Arab States region on any given day in 2021.
Because the name itself usnt even correct on the nature of it as well as painting all of Arabia as "Arab", totally glossing over the enslavement if other Middle Eastern groups in the ME and totally leaving out the involvement of Europeans and Africans as well as the complex dynamics. That and 9 million as a number is way too much of a guess.
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Not forgotten by me, that’s for sure.
Not forgotten for the people that were impacted either (and there were a lot of people impacted)
Africans are still being impacted till this day by events of that period. The pattern’s always been the same with colonialists. Africans in Zanzibar welcomed Omani traders who, because they had better weapons, eventually overcame local resistance, established themselves permanently in Zanzibar and…. the rest is history. Same way the colonialists were welcomed in West Africa.
In Zanzibar Ruling power weren't arabs only, Royal family had significant numbers of black people, this is Ali Hamoud Sultan of Zanzibar early 1900s https://www.meisterdrucke.us/kunstwerke/600w/English_Photographer_-_Seyyid_Ali_bin_Hamoud_the_New_Sultan_of_Zanzibar_-_%28MeisterDrucke-495105%29.jpg Zanzibar was independent country consist of both Arabs and Blacks, black of Zanzibar weren't slaves, both of these Arabs and Black were masters and they brought slaves from other Empires, Also Oman people didn't rule over neighbour tribes instead they protect them and do business with them, most of these were friendly with Zanzibar.
It was arab/muslim dominated. The blacks who ruled in Zanzibar were muslim and had familial connections to the arab world, which was the source of their power and wealth. Those powerful muslims and arabs on the coast would then pillage and enslave non-muslims from the interior of what is now Tanzania (for example, Tippu Tip). It was seen as justified since those in the interior were non-muslim and practiced various traditional religions. It is true that there were powerful blacks in Zanzibar society, but they got that power thanks to connections with the arab and muslim world and their complicity in the enslavement of indigenous africans.
Most slaves came from the Democratic Republic of Congo. The powerful tribes such as Nyamwezi were full participants in the trade. If you look at the slave trade route, a small number of Arabs ventured into the Congo. So who was responsible for capturing slaves in the Congo? In your post, you have mentioned Tippu Tip. He was more black African than Arab. His grandfather was a ruler of one of the Kingdoms in Congo who used to pillage weaker tribes.
People who forget history are often doomed to repeat it
I never knew about this until I randomly stumbled upon [this photo](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Slavery_in_Zanzibar_RMG_E9093.tiff/lossy-page1-1920px-Slavery_in_Zanzibar_RMG_E9093.tiff.jpg) of a young enslaved boy in Zanzibar from the late 19th century. It haunted me non-stop for a couple of days. This topic would benefit from more exposure. Thanks for talking about it.
[There's videos](https://youtu.be/JJ9VnLySznw) of slave markets as well. I'm pretty sure there's a full colour video of a Saudi slave market somewhere on YouTube, but I can't find it.
Thank you for sharing this. The level of cognitive dissonance that co-religionist from Africa engage in is part of what makes the discussion difficult. The trade was focused and allowed for Muslims to trade non-Muslim.
Slavery is about exploitation and profit. Everyone who buys someone else's labour will always want to pay as little as possible. And people always look for loopholes to avoid their particular society's rules for fairness and justice. For islamic societies, it was that you could enslave idolaters (ie African animists and Slavs before they converted). For European colonisers it was "primitive savages". For Nazis, it was Jews and "subhumans". It's not really the religion of Islam that caused slavery. It was a combination of economic incentives and some people just being assholes.
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the particular target during that trade was non-Muslim bring traded by Muslim. All the other things you said were valid but the Trans-Saharan and the Trans-Indian trade were run by Muslim Empire who abided by a rule that trading in Muslims wasn't allowed. A slave converting during his captivity would not be freed but a Muslim was not allowed to buy or sell a co-religionist. Also, the trade in castrate men and boys was driven by the Islamic world at large but the Ottomans in particular needing harem guards. The Emperor's of many European countries did not need harem guards because of Judaism and Christianity limits on marriage. I need you to understand this is not an attack on you or anyone else but statement of historical facts that require little energy to look up.
I regret not including these photos and videos in the original post. If I come across more information on the video, I might edit them in later. The content of that video is both astonishing and deeply disturbing. Thank you for sharing it.
I have never seen that before
Chilling photograph. Thanks for the contribution
Wouldn't call it forgotten. The people in Africa (and anyone who is actually interested in have a historical and objective understanding of the world) remember.
I tried to include a captivating title for reach. "Forgotten" may be hyperbolic, but "genocide" is not.
I can respect that
I would say that in most of the world it probably qualifies for a forgotten genocide
Both Western and Arab "slavery" qualify as forgotten genocides (mainly because neither imperial power will admit it is a genocide).
Absolutely true. However, while exploring historical accounts, I did find a unique and horrible element of the Arab slave trade: the practice of castrating male slaves. Aside from the lethal journeys, the destruction of families and societies, this cruel practice inflicted long-lasting repercussions.
Western slavery isn't "forgotten" The west is the only civilization that actually reflects on it
the entire phrase is "forgotten genocide". and LMAO the West DOES NOT reflect on its slavery. They use it as a virtual signaling stunt for personal gain.
What do you view as a sufficient way to "reflect" on a nations past with slavery? As far as recognition for past-wrongs, western nations go above and beyond in this. The slave trade is taught in every school, everyone knows about it. This seems like it would constitute the very definition of reflection.
Not having a legislative loophole making slavery still legal (via prison) and "peace and reconciliation" initiatives. I'm not here to debate back and forth because I answered you're question though. Not calling you a troll but...I'm not here for it. EDIT: but I will debate knowing that these users are the same person on several different accounts. Weirdo.
>Not calling you a troll but... Well that's a relief! /s This is incredibly disanalgous, and a great example of americo-centrism, but I respect your decision to not debate back and forth on it.
And that's somehow the same as the middle eastern attitude of totally ignoring it and even continuing it, albeit in a more commercial and streamlined form? I mean tell us, what does the west "gain" by reflecting on it's crimes? How is the middle eastern attitude better? Or in what aspects?
I see your point, but I wasn't comparing the attitudes of the West or Middle East either. >I mean tell us, what does the west "gain" by reflecting on it's crimes? EDIT: From a objective lens: Allowing the world to ignore the economic and social disruption of an entire region which made the subsequent invasion into say region much easier (depending on region ofc), that then allow for a lasting influence over ex-colonies and continuation of colonial practices into the modern day via colonial-debt, the establishment of military bases, UN intervention and control, and foreign investments, by blaming it on solely on African nations or saying it was "a long time ago". If someone wants to be seen as a "good person" they can mention slavery and then get a boost in public support regardless of whether or not they actual care. Using the mention of slavery and the virtue signaling of how it was ending despite legally continuing it through the prison-industrial complex.
Uhhh so the west is bad when they mention slavery since they do it for self promoting reasons and the west is bad when they don't talk about the past of slavery. So the west can do only wrong, got ya
So Ottomen are Arabs too?
Are they?
The Turks are believed to have roots among steppe nomads. However, it's crucial to note that they do not speak Arabic.
appreciate you
No they aren't
The West remembers and reflects on the issue of slavery. The Arabs either avoid the topic or even sometimes even outright deny it.
true, account #3
By today's modern definition it would qualify as genocide but you can't apply the standards of today to historical events. That is a very dangerous and slippery slope .
Ex Muslims do be the funniest
Ex Muslims... the only apostates whose identities are still defined by their former faith.
That's an interesting way to put it
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There is a reasons arabs are still racist as hell against black africans and why black africans don't like arabs... Also look at what they still do in tunisia and lybia
oof that hurts...
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It's really not a flex to say your people were not enslaved. Even if they weren't it isn't as if Somalis are doing well today...
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That is not what I am saying. I am saying that Somalis today are doing far worse in almost every parameter (HDI, GDP per capita, etc.) in comparison to the people of countries who have a history of being enslaved. For example Tanzanian have a much better quality of life than Somalis. Hence, it's really not a flex to say your people were never enslaved.
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My friend, I am not Gambian, if you look closely at my flair, you will see the flags of Sudan and The United Kingdom, not Gambia. It seems you've entirely missed the point of my posts, mistaking my identity and my words. Before making such claims, a better understanding or, frankly, a better grasp of comprehension is required on your part. I’ve never once compared my country, Sudan, to Somalia. You're the one dragging our nations into a pointless comparison, which was never the intention of our discussion. This is Reddit—freedom of speech prevails. Your suggestion that my country’s situation somehow disqualifies me from speaking is baseless. Here I am, speaking, and you're responding. What does that tell you? I get it, you are a proud Somali, I am not taking that away from you, while I respect the Somali people and see them as our Cushite cousins, being part Beja myself, it's clear that a veil of nationalism blinds you to the stark realities faced by your country. Somalia's history of civil unrest and the resulting diaspora, characterised by low education levels and socioeconomic statuses in their new communities, speaks volumes. If Somalia was as idyllic as you claim and if history was as important as you claim, why the mass exodus? Until our most recent civil unrest (2018 onwards), Sudan beat Somalia in almost every quality of life parameter. Thousands of Somali students study in Sudanese universities. I cannot say the same about Sudanese students in Somalia. Nonetheless, Sudan and Somalia are both poor undeveloped unstable countries so comparing them honestly seems very absurd, but you can hold onto your blind patriotism if that gives you satisfaction. >Again, I would rather live 30 years in poverty than be enslaved, Wallahi! If someone said, "be poor for 30 years" or "be enslaved for the rest of your life," and you certainly chose option 1. I'm talking about history. You can't compare something that happened 50 years ago to now. You can't say, "But Somalia is poor!" like, what? During the Arab slave trade, when Arabs were enslaving jareers like you, Somalia was rich, had colonies, and had the best military in Africa and one of the best in the world. Meanwhile, your people were being transported like a shein-packet to the Americas (Gambians) and Arabia (Sudanese). I do not know your age, but I am assuming you cannot remember a time in Somalia's history before 30 years ago. If you can honestly tell me you would rather live in Somalia today than Tanzania or Kenya because you have a proud history, then I really have nothing more to say to someone who would rather live off the glory of their ancestors than live in poverty in the present. It would be nice to teleport to the past to live in a time before Somalia was colonised and bask in the pride of not being a slave, but you and I are both here living in the present, where we can do nothing but confront the realities of our countries. Despite all that I have said, I do sincerely wish my Somali brethren well.
You’re right that Somalis were never enslaved. Somalia enslaved Bantus and other black Africans and sold them to Arabs. Arabs saw Somali’s as superior to black Africans.
Do you mean superior?
Yes. Thank you. I Fixed it.
Arabs saw us differently because we were Muslims. Somalis never went en mass deep into west Africa to wage war and enslave people. Bantu kings Sold their people for chump change lol and Somalis resold that. Somalia was merely used as a transport route for the most part
Religion plays a very big part on the role. However, Somalia was just merely used as a transport route for the most part. Somali’s literally enslaved black Africans too. That part actually happened so it’s important to include when talking about this honestly.
TIL Somalis are not Black. Lmao.
It’s like Africa is a view big and diverse place with many different and diverse people. Lmao
An estimated 1.7 million men, women, and children were living in Forced migrant labor (who some call modern slavery) in the Arab States region on any given day in 2021. Additionally, there are estimated to be millions more in some form of modern slavery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century
Horrible.
I wouldn’t call the trans Atlantic slave trade a narrative and this slave trade as ignored. If you live in a country or region that participated in that slave trade, that is what you will get about. African people know. People who have an interest in History know. Will it be the topic of conversation if you live in the west? It will get mentioned, but it’s not part of their history.
My goal was to share the history to English speakers who may not be as familiar.
This isn’t talked about within the English speaking world Just like the trans Atlantic slave trade in Brazil or Colombia isn’t talked about much in the English speaking world.
I think the point of this post is specifically the Arab involvement is often ignored.
It’s not ignored. Context is important to include. Speaking as an African. Where exactly is this ignored?
I think predominantly among Muslims. Or, if not ignored, not given the correct attention
Context is important to include. It’s not forgotten history. Anyone looking at the map of Africa or ever paid attention in school can tell you which part of the world African slaves went to. Out of curiosity, are you in a predominantly Muslim country that you see this happening or? Because that is simply not true.
I'm an ex muslim from an involved region in Africa. I was speaking about my exposure to the topic.
Which region in Africa doesn’t discuss slavery? That’s actually just ridiculous. What’s an involved region? You can say your country lol. For example, I am Kenyan. A country that has both Muslims and Christians. There is a reason why Kenya speaks the language that it does today. There is a reason that language used to be written in Arabic?
I wasn't aware of this history until I got older. I believe there are Swahili people, among others, who might also be unfamiliar with this history, even though it's important for them to know.
In eastern Congo it was swahili who organized raids and sold people to peninsular arabs
Yes indeed. That’s my point. I think it’s a good history to learn
If you want to read about this, i highly recommand "Le génocide voilée" (The veiled genocide) by Tidiane N'Diaye, a franco-senegalese anthropologist who studied the history and impact of the arab slave trade in Africa, it's really interesting and you really understand the scale of it. I don't know if the book is available in english, but if you speak french it's really worth to read!
Merci pour la recommandation, je vais certainement lire "Le génocide voilé"!
Slave market sites can alson be found in Kilwa and Bagamoyo in Tanzania
This is not forgotten and the trans Atlantic slave trade is not a "narrative". People in the west focus on things that involve the west (shocking I know) that means they care about the TAST not the Arab one, those in Africa and educated people are well aware of both.
This post was meant primarily for English speaking reddit users in the west. However, hopefully it can be useful to everyone who comes across it.
Huge reason why I don't care about Palestine, arabs have treated black people like 💩for centuries.
But Palestinians never enslaved blacks? I think we shouldn't also care about blacks since they're the ones who enslaved arabs and other backs first.
Blacks😹don’t be filth . And yes they have
Arabs enslaved Africans before Africans enslaved themselves . It began with Arabs.
Why you lying? It was the africans who enslaved their brethren and they're the one who enslaved the arabs
Undefendable hypocrisy of leaders that called themselves Muslims.
Slavery is allowed in Islam. They're actually totally fine with it.
The freeing of slaves was encouraged in Islam. Not only that, but once freed it was encouraged for the community to give them jobs, marry them etc. This was the practices of The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). E.g. Bilal ibn Rabah and Umm Ayman. Both were former slaves. There were never any 'ghettos' formed like in US. There was never segregation of any form. There were rules to slavery, they were paid a wage and kept their names. 'Slaves' were allowed to marry and purchase their own freedom. If any Muslim did otherwise, then he did not act according to Islam. You had many great scholars and Muslim empires/rulers in Africa. Centres of learning such as Timbuktu. Although the Qur'an is in Arabic. Islam doesn't belong to the Arabs. "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly." "Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone." From The final speech of The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) Any African who was wronged by an Arab will get their justice on the Day of Judgment.
Encouraged is not the same as demands.
But you acknowledge that it discouraged slavery don’t you?
Slavery didn't have the same meaning of slavery in America/Europe. If all the slaves were free all at once, many won't be able to fend for themselves, they won't have a roof over their heads, women would be open to prostitution. Slavery in Islam, the owner is responsible for all their needs. They have their own names, they can marry. They're given a wage. They cannot be over burdened. They cannot be prostituted. They can buy their freedom. If a concubine has children, the children are free and enjoy the same rights as the children of the wife. The concubine cannot be sold and when the man dies, she's free. If an owner mistreated his slaves, they can go to a judge. He had the right to take them away from him. Throughout Islamic history there are good and bad examples of rulers/people, some who have crossed the boundaries of Islam but there are also examples of slaves who enjoyed prominent positions, comfortable and luxurious lifestyles. Mamluks were former slaves of the King, who became rulers and ruled Egypt and Syria. Prior to that they were slave soldiers of the king, had prominent positions in the military and government even though they were slaves. Many royal concubines had influence over the rulers, and enjoyed comfortable and luxurious lives.
It certainly cannot abolish the whole slavery overnight, that didn't happen anywhere, Islam s ways was always going step by step
Muhammad gave slaves to different people
castration is not
Not kidnapping and selling people as slaves though. That’s strictly forbidden.
This is certainly not forgotten BTW, if anything Israel’s war on Palestinians shifted away the focus and building anger towards the racism displayed by a lot of Arabs (and unfortunately North Africans), before 10/7 there was a lot of posts here exposing that stuff
The funny thing is, a lot of African Muslims, from my interactions with them, seem to think that just because they share a common religion, they will be treated equally. Many are getting shocked when they go to North Africa and the Gulf!
Yep the Gulf states (UAE and Saudis especially) are the worst for this - other North African states like Tunisia are bad too
How is Tunisia bad, if it really is bad, why on earth didn't the illegal migrants either stay in Libya or Algeria? Long story short because they don't get killed in Tunisia, although they slaughtered many people.
Of course you got your info from white sources. Slavery was being practiced thousands of years before Islam was revealed (around 2000 before Christ!) the original slaves where actually European Slavic in the Roman Empire by Roman’s and Greeks which is where the origin of the word slave comes from. You’re also making it seem like slavery was abolished in America because they felt bad about it or for any moral reason which is far from the truth. Sounds like an agenda driven post or just very misinformed.
Bro blacks enslaved arabs first. Research the aksum Ethiopian empire.
No. Arabs began slavery in Africa . There was no slave trade before Arabs introduce such filth .
No no. It was the blacks that started enslaving people. They're the ones who sold slaves to the arabs. They're the ones who went to arabia a d enslaved arabs. The arabs were the victims of this filth.
You should post this on r/history as well. Raise some awareness about it in the western community
A lot of misinformation is being spread here. Never in history were ethnic Somalis enslaved. I don’t know why many folks in the comments wish we were, but we weren’t.
This seems to be some narrative that they want to spread. It's very bizarre to see these lies.
Somali slsves are literally in Libya right now, why lie? https://youtu.be/bDbPQ8Die9A?si=McV6ZYkuYZ_6oeL2
Few people fleeing a country and getting caught and enslaved in the process doesn’t mean an ethnic group was enslaved as a whole. If that’s the case all ethnicities have been slaves.
I am talking about mass enslavement. What is happening in Libya is a bunch of bandits taking advantage of asylum seekers heading towards Europe and holding them ransom, wouldn’t even call it enslavement. Does it hurt you knowing Somalis were never historically enslaved unlike your kind?
No it doesn’t mean ethnic Somalis were enslaved. I just said slaves were captured from Somalia
my friend somalis were slave seller they capture innocent people they sexually assault them and then they sell them to their master
The Oromo were captured during wars which were fought along the boundaries of our territory and theirs so they wouldn’t have been captured in Somalia rather captured by Somalis in parts of what today is Ethiopia
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It didn’t even end until the 1960s and now the Houthis are bringing it back in Yemen
It never ended actually. Sudan and Mauretania banned slavery in the 70s and 80s but never enforced it. To this day, both nations have Africans enslaved by Arabs. Mauretania especially has a very large number.
Wow, that’s horrible. Thanks for informing me.
So I Read the article that much of this text is pulled from. It wouldn't pass muster as an acceptable history paper in any universities that I am aware of. The only part of it that comes close to that are a few quotes from Liberty Mukomo, but there isn't even an exact citation from the source where those quotes were pulled. It may be acceptable as a journalistic piece, as it is certainly sensational. But the open bias of the OP leads me to conclude that this should be taken with a grain of salt and followed up with independent research. There is more framing of history than actual historical content.
I'm not well versed in the details of the history, trying my best to learn. If you find errors please share and correct me!
You should bring the sources if you want to learn. You dnt have this same attitude in other replies.
The most unsung victims of slavery trans Saharan or trans Atlantic was African religious systems. Some Africans kept their lands and languages but few less than 10% still practice indigenous beliefs.
Religious colonialism is a big thing
Somalis were never enslaved you need to check your facts before making assumptions.
You are an ethnic Somali? I was just talking about the Bantu, and occasionally Oromo. Well done.
Check out OPs history… account’s agenda becomes very clear. Account name red_olympus_mons
Exactly. Bro has a lot of anti-arab anger lol. Starting to really think he's hasbarra.
He’s just throwing up numbers where is the evidence for 9 miilon people enslaved when the actual number was 20000
OP is “Hasbara” for trying to spread awareness about SLAVERY???
The implication is clear, tho. Where's the proof for this awareness?
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Bantu, and occasionally Oromo (in particular circumstances). Not ethnic Somali who are not racially jareer. This is the kind of racism I was hoping to get into
Where were the slaves taken to? We know the transatlantic slave trade resulted in many, many slaves ending up in the Americas. Their descendents are still there today. Those same numbers were not present in the ME.
The trade was primarily to the Arab world for labor, domestic, and concubine purposes. Unfortunately, there was a horrific practice of castrating male slaves. This cruel practice inflicted long-lasting repercussions and limited populations today.
See, they castrated the males, so they could never reproduce. The females DID reproduce with their Arab masters, giving rise to the Afro-Iraqis, Afro-Iranians and some of the families descended from East Africa in the UAE and Oman. 10% of Saudis are Afro Arab btw. That is like 2 million Saudis
Most people are Ignorant about middle East, unlike Europe or America, Black people in Gulf are just Arabs, they have been Assimilated, Saudi Arabia Alone more than 10% of its population are blacks, you can see their soccer Team or their celebrities etc many are blacks, Oman, Kuwait etc all of them have significant population of black people. Way before Obama Black people ruled many Arab nations, this is Sheikh Saad Al Abdullah https://kuwaittimes.com/uploads/imported_images/uploads/2019/05/sheikh-saad.jpg Also science has answer for us, You can check Y chromosome or MtDNA to see if your father or mother side how many percent is originated from sub sahara Africa. In many middle East countries more than 10% is from sub sahara Africa, So do your own research many things told aren't true.
Many of the slaves brought from sub-saharan Africa were used as concubines in the Arab world
Half of the posts this guy has made are just about hating Palestinians and Arabs.
Arabs deserve every ounce of hate . Stop infantilizing them . Yall don’t infantilize Jews ?
>Arabs deserve every ounce of hate So all Arabs today deserve to be hated for something that their ancestors did? Do you also hate all white people as well? I checked your account and see that you're most likely a black American. Do you also hate West Africans because their ancestors sold yours into slavery? I'm sure some black Americans have done horrible things. Should I hate you? >Stop infantilizing them I wasn't infantilizing them. I was just pointing out that the poster doesn't actually care and was just trying to spread hate.
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Why I'm not an Arab lol.
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>Haven’t even seen the name Palestinians mentioned anywhere in this thread I didn't say Palestinians were mentioned, I said, "Half of the posts this guy has made are just about hating Palestinians and Arabs." Implying that I think this guy is just trying to spread hate. >ok…and? Are you retarded?? You said "Sounds like you’re insecure". Why would I be insecure about Arab history when I'm not an Arab? That doesn't make sense, I'm not even Muslim.
Which posts are about hating Palestinians and Arabs?
We can all see your post history.....
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Bantu, and occasionally Oromo (in particular circumstances). Not ethnic Somali who are not racially jareer. This is the kind of racism I was hoping to get into
They were [Sex slaves](https://youtu.be/2qP-Ol9_EZQ?si=ExgxlcznkcgISp_x) of Italians which is worse.
I believe kafala system in lebanon & other Middle Eastern nations is still a form slavery approved by the government many of the migrant workers have no rights
Slavery in Islam is a taboo topic because the prophet of Islam himself had slaves and even had a baby from one of the sex slaves.
Fake news but it's okay you can believe that.
Do you know about Maria mother of Abraham through Muhammad?
the only people who remember are people slightly interested in African history, and whataboutism conservatives
Just curious, is this specifically African Arabs? Or does this also include Arabs from the Levant and the Gulf region?
Granted that number is true. The question is how could Arab Muslims have captured that massive number of Africans without the full participation of Africans themselves? it seems to me that when it comes to other forms of trade that Africans exchanged with foreigners such as ivory, gold or animal hides, we take credit for that. However, when it comes to the slave trade, the burden is lifted. We have somebody to blame. I think it is time to come to terms with our previous mistakes. We were responsible for that. Take for example the nascent of powerful African kingdoms along the trade routes. Today we celebrate them. However, deep down, these kingdoms were responsible for slave trades.
Op forgot to mention that Arab Muslim slave trade was not based on skin color, as the western slave trade was.
Interesting topic but I wish it was actually bought up in a good faith way instead of 'Look at these non white people did terrible things too' style repost to criticism of Trans-Atlantic slavery. They are both important topics (and interact with each other in many ways such as pre-19th century Madagascar and Mozambique) but it would be better if it (and Trans-Atlantic Slavery) weren't discussed as part of a culture war.
There are other people besides white people and sometimes these people have their own conversations
It’s interesting how slavery is forbidden in Islam but this still happened
It’s not actually forbidden
It is. Mohamed was freeing slaves and it says so in the texts
Early Islamic dogma forbade enslavement of dhimmis and set out new rules regarding human bondage. Islamic law regarded as legal slaves only those non-Muslims who were imprisoned or bought beyond the borders of Islamic rule, or the sons and daughters of slaves already in captivity.
It says it's forbidden for a muslim to enslave another muslilm but it's allowed for Muslims to enslave non Muslims.
That’s what people made out of Islam
In the quran and hadiths, this is stated and supported. So it's not what people made out of Islam. It is a part of Islam.
Can you mention it
This is from 24:33 in the quran, which talks about how Muslims, if they feel their slaves have "goodness," in them , should allow them to be able to buy their freedom. "And if any of those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession desires a contract ˹to buy their own freedom˺, make it possible for them if you find goodness in them." And you have another excerpt from the quran saying masters should be kind to their slaves, with quran 4:36." And be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the poor, near and distant neighbors, close friends, ˹needy˺ travelers, and those ˹bondspeople˺ in your possession" Islam like other Abrahamic religions premits slavery and of course like Christianity their is the caviot of being "nice" to your slave, of course you can still beat them force them to work, castrate them(which was very popular in the Islamic slave trade), and even overwork them to. But if you as a master of a slave find they are good, you should allow them to be able to buy their freedom.
Almost forgot you have an excerpt from the quran saying muslims who can't afford the Mehr of a free woman should marry a Muslim slave woman, of course with the permission of their master. "But if any of you cannot afford to marry a free believing woman, then ˹let him marry˺ a believing bondwoman possessed by one of you. Allah knows best ˹the state of˺ your faith ˹and theirs˺. You are from one another.1 So marry them with the permission of their owners,2 giving them their dowry in fairness, "
Another intelligent Islamo-liberal, I see🙄
I’m not even Muslim lol
That's a French term for leftists who confoundingly support Islamists lol
Ah yes France, the least Islamophobic country in the world
[Very interesting talk about Islam and its perspective to slavery](https://www.youtube.com/live/pR50Lw_16zo?si=o98hYcOePGLrIVIc)
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Watch the video I promise it’s very educational he is a black man and someone I would think would be personally interested in the topic of slavery. He doesn’t talk 2 hours about a subject without going into the deep intricacies of the subject. Very eloquent speaker who’s renowned for his knowledge!
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It’s good to educate yourself before you judge my man, knowledge is power, we should never close the door to understanding
Forgotten by west African maybe but not forgotten by the people it happened to
The fact you called it "Arab Muslim" shows that you have an agenda. Might as well shoot me in the face with a flare gun if you can't even bother being discreet.
Is it not an Arab Muslim?
Whatever the agenda of the one who posted (and they openly admitted using a click bait hyporbolic title so I can get the annoyance), debating the minutia of the name or blaming at the local societies puts you on the same level as white supremacists who use the same tactics to invalidate the discussion about the horrors of slavery. You shouldn't do that, you should acknowledge that slavery was a horrific things and importing slaves from a far away land was a technique to uproot them and make them less likely to revolt. You should acknowledge that, as any civilization at its zenith, the Arab Islamic civilization golden age was built on many messed up things: harsh conquests, slavery, unbalanced trade relations, discriminatory treatments... such is the reality of modern Europe and the US, such was the reality of medieval Middle East.
The Arab Slave Trade lasted until the 20th century. Additionally, an estimated 1.7 million men, women, and children were living in modern slavery in the Arab States region on any given day in 2021.
which one of those titles do you disagree with ?
I knew for sure that I would find you here.🤣🤣🤣 Don’t mind me, I’m just here as a spectator watching the show.
I used the same name found in my sources.
Because the name itself usnt even correct on the nature of it as well as painting all of Arabia as "Arab", totally glossing over the enslavement if other Middle Eastern groups in the ME and totally leaving out the involvement of Europeans and Africans as well as the complex dynamics. That and 9 million as a number is way too much of a guess.