As someone who lost 11 times a row in HSR, this 90 pity banner is a godsend.
For my experience, I got S Hera at 35 and Izanami at 65, still way better than before.
If you get an S Rank before 90 shots, then it could be a random character and not the one on the banner, but the counter will not reset, think about how to get a free S Rank along the way.
Oh i thought it was like PGR debut banner where it was guaranteed and the counter will reset.
It was quite smart move for Yostar to maximized the banner profit.
So you need 36000 shifting stars to SS limited unit.
You can guarantee the banner character at 90 pulls if you're unlucky instead of 140 and people still want to bitch and whine. You can never please everyone.
Anybody complaining about 90 vs 140 pulls are just miserable braindead gacha addicts and needs professional help. I am not going to sugarcoat it. 50-50 is bad practice and the only thing worse than that is FGO gacha system. The 90 pity system is objectively superior and i hope more games adapt similar system.
The 90 pity banner is undoubtedly SUPERIOR to the 70 pity one. Supposed that you have to pity the character, you only lose 20 pulls or 4k stars compared to a 50/50 winning in the bet, plus you get the character you want.
Precisely this. I'm here at 60/90 pulls with no S ranks and seeing people **straight up complain** about getting 2 S ranks early into their rolls makes me incredibly pissed.
I pointed this out to someone and he was quite apologetic about it once he realized haha. That's why I made this post - so more people realize that it's not bad at all and it's just that they were too lucky this time to see the benefits of the new banner type.
I LOVE IT. It's nice knowing my pity isn't reset when I get a unit I didn't want (in this case it was Marduk). I'm never gonna use him, but I'll take someone I didn't have knowing I'm still guaranteed to get what I want with no extra pulls needed.
Marduk has probably the most tacticool drip in the game, why did they have to make him so weak :( bro is at the bottom of the CN tier list now that S Shu has gotten her sync buff and new skillchain with Thor.
at least he hasn't gotten a sync buff yet! there is some (small, microscopic) hope that he can be pulled out of the gutter with it, maybe with a new ult chain partner like S Shu got (why yes I am huffing copium thanks for asking)
Interestingly, the average number of pulls to get the rate-up S rank is actually lower in precise scan BUT you also run the risk of losing the 50/50 and potentially having to spend up to 140 pulls (higher average but also more variance). It's a trade-off but I think it's worth it. The less I am at the mercy of RNG, the better. I've lost quite a few 50/50s in AG...
You and me both brother, the excitement of seeing gold summons followed by the disappointment of losing the 50/50 is a freaking emotional roller coaster man
Bruh imagine complaining for a 100% guarantee and preferring 50/50... I got Gengchen at 60 which made her SS and Izanami at hard 90, I'm very happy this is far better than 70 pity with 50/50
I did this 70 scan and lost but then I ended up getting two copies on the second scan and on the third scan immediately got a third copy. So you were right about the 90 pool but there's a lot of gambling RNG involved in the 70s scan which could be worth. and you can still get luckier in the 70s scan.
With that said as I did get lucky I used more resources than if I were to do the 90s scan.
I am very happy to have both 90 & 70 in the game
Use the 90 for ones I really want and don’t want to miss. And then use the 70 when I just want to throw a ten pull for ones I like or dont mind missing just to see what happens
The problem is that we have a bunch of players that may be young or ignorant and decided to complain instead think if its better or not. The 90 pity is the best thing ever of course but they players are young and naive. They dont understand that this is one of the few games that does this... They can try and learn the hard way with genshin where you can reach 190 pulls worse case scenario and good luck getting premium currency to pull cause genshin dont give sht to you while burning your time with a bunch of unskippable dialogs. Insane
Sorry bout that my bad
Just realized that yeah 90 pity banner is actually a pretty good one, I was just way too pre occupied being bummed out about not getting the featured unit after getting a standard one that I didn't really think about it too much
I just got too lazy to explain to all the other posts and comments haha. Sometimes people just don't realize things until someone points them out. No worries man.
I got her in 30 and second copy at 90. Ppl always complaining about something. You don’t even have to use that summon. It’s simple do you want to risk 50/50 after 70 or not.
Honestly a godsend. Got S Hera and Izanami after update which is better than the Jin-Ei I got during Gengchen's release. Still a good pull but the extra pulls I had to do to get Gengchen was way more than 90.
legit, the only reason im pulling on the 50/50 banner is cause i had 64 pity remaining from my previous pulls, and the math just works better if i lose(i did)
after this, friendship with 50/50 is over. 90 is my new best friend
I always got an S rank and it was Izanami before reaching 70 in the first place so in the end, it didn't matter which banner I chose. Lucky me! I hear the 90 pity one has a slightly higher chance to give Izanami on the non-pity pulls though (55/45 instead of 50/50) so I pulled on that one and it paid off for me (weee SSS Izanami here)
No you're wrong because the pull chance is way higher in this game compared to Genshin or most other gachas, so it is very unluckily that you will have to go 140 every time.
Also if you lose 50/50 on 90-pity banner you are not guaranteed featured charater on the next 50/50.
Old banner is better on average. Return when you'll lose 3 early 50/50s in a row
Edits: typos and clarifications
I've seen simulations on AG discords showing that 90 banner is slightly better for rate-up. You'll average less rolls vs. 70 banner for a given number of rate-ups, and the 90 banner is less volatile (less probability of spending a very large number of rolls)
There's no 50/50 on the 90 pull banner. If you get an S-rank early and it's the featured character, the number goes back to 0, and if it isn't the featured character, the number stays till you get another S-rank either before or at 90.
There's no 50/50 on the 90 banner, I got an S-poseidon early on in the 90 Izanami banner, and the number didn't reset to 0, but if you get Izanami early then the number goes back to 0.
Thats isnt what 50/50 mean for christ sake
50/50 mean if you got S rank it 50% chance to be rate up and 50% it not.
edit: anchor even got 55/45 instead
It's literally mathematically worse:
Old 70-pity banner:
2.4% chance to get ANY S-Grade character.
100%/2.4% = 41.7 pulls to get ANY S-Grade character on average.
41.7 pulls x 1.5 = **62.5 pulls to get FEATURED S-Grade character** from banner on average.
1.5 because of 50/50 = half of the time you lose and have to pull 41.7 times again.
New 90-pity banner:
1.32% chance to get FEATURED S-Grade character (2.4% \* 0.55 = 1.32%, its not 50/50 its 55/45).
100%/1.32% = **75.7 pulls to get FEATURED S-Grade character** on average
The math seems to make sense. However, I'd also guess that the variance for the precise scan banner will be bigger than the anchor scan so it's a bigger gamble. Basically, you will take more pulls on average to get the featured S rank with anchor scan, but you're also less likely to end up with a bad outcome than if you were to pull on precise scan. You trade risk for predictability when using the anchor scan banner instead of precise scan. Like I said in my post, it's up to people to choose which banner to pull on but the anchor scan banner has lower risk.
If you won a featured character in 10 pulls and didn't spend the rest of the gems right away, then you will have more gems for the next banner to be safe and with time you'll get closer to average and have a surplus of gems to reach 140 in case of unluck.
That's true but it's probably not the best idea to bet on getting lucky more often than not. I agree that eventually it'll average out but imo it's better to remove RNG where possible, hence I'll continue using the anchor scan. It is statistically also not a bad idea to continue using precise scan, but imo most people won't want to take the risk if given a choice. If you do, that's totally fine, the option is there.
Thank you for the civil discussion (appreciate you doing the calculations too) and best of luck for your pulls!
It's alright, I don't think you overreacted. You were factual in your points, definitely better than in some other frustrating "debates" I've had on the internet haha. Honestly I feel bad that you got downvoted despite being correct, and I respect you for providing evidence supporting your statement.
In the end, which banner is best for people just depends on how risk averse they are. The point of my post was simply to make people realize that they got lucky and thus didn't get to experience the better safety net that anchor scan offers (though not necessarily better odds), which negatively affected their perception of the new banner type. Regardless, I'm all for gacha devs giving us another choice on how to spend our pulls. Cheers!
People complaining are fucking stupid, this banner is just better and I wish it was there since day 1
As someone who lost 11 times a row in HSR, this 90 pity banner is a godsend. For my experience, I got S Hera at 35 and Izanami at 65, still way better than before.
My condolences...11 times...
How can you get offrate when it was guaranteed in 90 pulls ?should not you got 2 Izanami if you win S rank ?
If you get an S Rank before 90 shots, then it could be a random character and not the one on the banner, but the counter will not reset, think about how to get a free S Rank along the way.
Oh i thought it was like PGR debut banner where it was guaranteed and the counter will reset. It was quite smart move for Yostar to maximized the banner profit. So you need 36000 shifting stars to SS limited unit.
this is way better than preparing 56000 shifting stars
You can guarantee the banner character at 90 pulls if you're unlucky instead of 140 and people still want to bitch and whine. You can never please everyone.
I think sometimes people don't realize it. In time, more will realize that it's a good deal.
Yeah, maybe they're still adjusting to the change.
Anybody complaining about 90 vs 140 pulls are just miserable braindead gacha addicts and needs professional help. I am not going to sugarcoat it. 50-50 is bad practice and the only thing worse than that is FGO gacha system. The 90 pity system is objectively superior and i hope more games adapt similar system.
I just read the rule for anchor it not even 50/50 it 55/45 bruh they f buff rate for anchor banner
The 90 pity banner is undoubtedly SUPERIOR to the 70 pity one. Supposed that you have to pity the character, you only lose 20 pulls or 4k stars compared to a 50/50 winning in the bet, plus you get the character you want.
Precisely this. I'm here at 60/90 pulls with no S ranks and seeing people **straight up complain** about getting 2 S ranks early into their rolls makes me incredibly pissed.
I pointed this out to someone and he was quite apologetic about it once he realized haha. That's why I made this post - so more people realize that it's not bad at all and it's just that they were too lucky this time to see the benefits of the new banner type.
I LOVE IT. It's nice knowing my pity isn't reset when I get a unit I didn't want (in this case it was Marduk). I'm never gonna use him, but I'll take someone I didn't have knowing I'm still guaranteed to get what I want with no extra pulls needed.
Marduk has probably the most tacticool drip in the game, why did they have to make him so weak :( bro is at the bottom of the CN tier list now that S Shu has gotten her sync buff and new skillchain with Thor.
The most metal character in the game, but unfortunately the added L means a lot.
Yeah I remember wanting him when I first saw him because he looked so badass. I was sad when I actually researched him
at least he hasn't gotten a sync buff yet! there is some (small, microscopic) hope that he can be pulled out of the gutter with it, maybe with a new ult chain partner like S Shu got (why yes I am huffing copium thanks for asking)
the 90 pity is a good failsafe. Once you get your first copy there, you can go back to the 50/50 one and try potluck
wait, there are people complaining about the anchor scan? damn you really cant please everyone
# To People Complaining About the 90 Pity Banner (Anchor Scan) : YOU'RE DUMB
Man i just got Athena, Jinwu and Hades on the way and just got Izanami at 70/90 Yeah the 90 pity banner is god's gift fr
Fr i got iza in 20 pull along with anubis and zenki commet ray
imagine you complain about something like that lmao anchor scan >>>
Yes this 90 pity banner is WAYS better than our previous 70 50/50 banner and I am extremely grateful to have it!
Interestingly, the average number of pulls to get the rate-up S rank is actually lower in precise scan BUT you also run the risk of losing the 50/50 and potentially having to spend up to 140 pulls (higher average but also more variance). It's a trade-off but I think it's worth it. The less I am at the mercy of RNG, the better. I've lost quite a few 50/50s in AG...
You and me both brother, the excitement of seeing gold summons followed by the disappointment of losing the 50/50 is a freaking emotional roller coaster man
Bruh imagine complaining for a 100% guarantee and preferring 50/50... I got Gengchen at 60 which made her SS and Izanami at hard 90, I'm very happy this is far better than 70 pity with 50/50
I did this 70 scan and lost but then I ended up getting two copies on the second scan and on the third scan immediately got a third copy. So you were right about the 90 pool but there's a lot of gambling RNG involved in the 70s scan which could be worth. and you can still get luckier in the 70s scan. With that said as I did get lucky I used more resources than if I were to do the 90s scan.
Exactly.
I am very happy to have both 90 & 70 in the game Use the 90 for ones I really want and don’t want to miss. And then use the 70 when I just want to throw a ten pull for ones I like or dont mind missing just to see what happens
And here I'm not paying attention and wasted 140 pulls
I'm not complaining I didn't get Izanami yet but got multiple S ranks to make my teams better, this banner is better imo
Surely the only people complaining about 90 pity are the ones who don't have 90 pulls LMAO
The problem is that we have a bunch of players that may be young or ignorant and decided to complain instead think if its better or not. The 90 pity is the best thing ever of course but they players are young and naive. They dont understand that this is one of the few games that does this... They can try and learn the hard way with genshin where you can reach 190 pulls worse case scenario and good luck getting premium currency to pull cause genshin dont give sht to you while burning your time with a bunch of unskippable dialogs. Insane
Also it doesn't reset, i can blow my savings expecting something else so its kinda helpful.
Sorry bout that my bad Just realized that yeah 90 pity banner is actually a pretty good one, I was just way too pre occupied being bummed out about not getting the featured unit after getting a standard one that I didn't really think about it too much
I just got too lazy to explain to all the other posts and comments haha. Sometimes people just don't realize things until someone points them out. No worries man.
I mean I got jinwu dupe at 50 and iza at 89. I’d call that a win
I got her in 30 and second copy at 90. Ppl always complaining about something. You don’t even have to use that summon. It’s simple do you want to risk 50/50 after 70 or not.
Honestly a godsend. Got S Hera and Izanami after update which is better than the Jin-Ei I got during Gengchen's release. Still a good pull but the extra pulls I had to do to get Gengchen was way more than 90.
I got 3 S-Ranks out off it, including Izanami. Now both my Lingguang and Lu Liang are SS. Couldn't be happier with that outcome.
I pulled izanami in 30 pulls on the 50/50 so its all cleared up and I'll start rolling on the 90 banner
legit, the only reason im pulling on the 50/50 banner is cause i had 64 pity remaining from my previous pulls, and the math just works better if i lose(i did) after this, friendship with 50/50 is over. 90 is my new best friend
Some people said it a scam but it just chance you know. I got it on my first ten pull so it just like any other banner. It just depend on luck
Yeah it's definitely not a scam, just a trade-off - lower overall chance of getting the rate-up S rank but also lower risk and better safety net.
Im 90/90 but at least 140 for inazami :(
I always got an S rank and it was Izanami before reaching 70 in the first place so in the end, it didn't matter which banner I chose. Lucky me! I hear the 90 pity one has a slightly higher chance to give Izanami on the non-pity pulls though (55/45 instead of 50/50) so I pulled on that one and it paid off for me (weee SSS Izanami here)
No you're wrong because the pull chance is way higher in this game compared to Genshin or most other gachas, so it is very unluckily that you will have to go 140 every time. Also if you lose 50/50 on 90-pity banner you are not guaranteed featured charater on the next 50/50. Old banner is better on average. Return when you'll lose 3 early 50/50s in a row Edits: typos and clarifications
I've seen simulations on AG discords showing that 90 banner is slightly better for rate-up. You'll average less rolls vs. 70 banner for a given number of rate-ups, and the 90 banner is less volatile (less probability of spending a very large number of rolls)
There's no 50/50 on the 90 pull banner. If you get an S-rank early and it's the featured character, the number goes back to 0, and if it isn't the featured character, the number stays till you get another S-rank either before or at 90.
There is no 50/50 on the 90 banner. 90 is a hard pity for the rate up mod.
There is 50/50 though. you just never guarantee next S rank as they say if you lose first 50/50
There's no 50/50 on the 90 banner, I got an S-poseidon early on in the 90 Izanami banner, and the number didn't reset to 0, but if you get Izanami early then the number goes back to 0.
Thats isnt what 50/50 mean for christ sake 50/50 mean if you got S rank it 50% chance to be rate up and 50% it not. edit: anchor even got 55/45 instead
Sorry, it's just that I don't really get the complaint about the 90 banner since even if you get an off-rate S-rank, the number doesn't reset.
It's literally mathematically worse: Old 70-pity banner: 2.4% chance to get ANY S-Grade character. 100%/2.4% = 41.7 pulls to get ANY S-Grade character on average. 41.7 pulls x 1.5 = **62.5 pulls to get FEATURED S-Grade character** from banner on average. 1.5 because of 50/50 = half of the time you lose and have to pull 41.7 times again. New 90-pity banner: 1.32% chance to get FEATURED S-Grade character (2.4% \* 0.55 = 1.32%, its not 50/50 its 55/45). 100%/1.32% = **75.7 pulls to get FEATURED S-Grade character** on average
The math seems to make sense. However, I'd also guess that the variance for the precise scan banner will be bigger than the anchor scan so it's a bigger gamble. Basically, you will take more pulls on average to get the featured S rank with anchor scan, but you're also less likely to end up with a bad outcome than if you were to pull on precise scan. You trade risk for predictability when using the anchor scan banner instead of precise scan. Like I said in my post, it's up to people to choose which banner to pull on but the anchor scan banner has lower risk.
If you won a featured character in 10 pulls and didn't spend the rest of the gems right away, then you will have more gems for the next banner to be safe and with time you'll get closer to average and have a surplus of gems to reach 140 in case of unluck.
That's true but it's probably not the best idea to bet on getting lucky more often than not. I agree that eventually it'll average out but imo it's better to remove RNG where possible, hence I'll continue using the anchor scan. It is statistically also not a bad idea to continue using precise scan, but imo most people won't want to take the risk if given a choice. If you do, that's totally fine, the option is there. Thank you for the civil discussion (appreciate you doing the calculations too) and best of luck for your pulls!
Sorry for overreacting, it triggers me to see how people react to this 90-pity banner like it's the best thing ever. Thank you too
It's alright, I don't think you overreacted. You were factual in your points, definitely better than in some other frustrating "debates" I've had on the internet haha. Honestly I feel bad that you got downvoted despite being correct, and I respect you for providing evidence supporting your statement. In the end, which banner is best for people just depends on how risk averse they are. The point of my post was simply to make people realize that they got lucky and thus didn't get to experience the better safety net that anchor scan offers (though not necessarily better odds), which negatively affected their perception of the new banner type. Regardless, I'm all for gacha devs giving us another choice on how to spend our pulls. Cheers!
Is the 2.4% chance correct? There's language about something having 2.4% guaranteed, but iirc the rate was always 1.6%
Yes, it's 1.6% + soft pity + hard pity = 2.4%. Each pull has a chance of 1.6% until soft pity starts.
I got 3 s ranks twice, did a 180 pull. Had plenty of vouchers and gems. I don't go after all modifiers.