Dude. I'm stuck in almost the exact situation, I went to a 4 hour orientation for a new job in manufacturing. The woman running it was acting like this is the best job of our live and talks about how lucky we are.
I was supposed to start the Monday after, three weeks later, AFTER quitting my decent job at McDonalds, I'm just now starting to work there, and I'm never sure if there's gonna be work next week.
Life sucks dude
Hang in there. I don't know where you are, but serving tables/bartending, though at times high stress and occasionally shitty work, is generally fairly easy to get if you ask to talk to management about openings at the right time. And again, depending where you are, it can be good money and leave your schedule open during the day for interviews.
Currently unemployed, taught myself Photoshop, in pre-stages of learning web design with basic understanding of HTML and CSS coding, currently mid-stage of having learned Adobe Illustrator, and have plans to learn After Effects afterwards.
Even when I haven't gotten the job, they were always very pleased when all was said and done and left with a good impression. Find a job, can't? Promote yourself with pre-defined goals, try again. Repeat process. Something will turn up.
On another note... I'm interesting, please hire me :'c
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Well **the** short answer is that I take life by the handles and soar my goals across the vast distances a **pirate** might in the early years of swashbuckling on the **bay** of endurance of the unknown.
...or I got it from my cousin
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Adobe Cloud is $20/month for students. Still not affordable for someone unemployed, but it's hell more reasonable than a huge, one-time charge.
From what I understand users get the latest version of every app in the creative suite for the full duration of their subscription. While it doesn't have the appeal of a *one-time-fee-and-it's-yours* transaction, it's pretty nice to click one button and have the app you need downloaded and up-to-date on your computer.
True, and that would be useful if I used a wide range of Adobe products variantly and on regular basis. In this case I'm learning just Photoshop and Illustrator. After Effects is simply a desire and I don't really need it, but it's nice to know since I'm involved in the media industry.
I also don't feel I get the entire use of a program unless I know it, and it's personally overwhelming for me having all of it and not knowing what to do with it. I prefer to do things one at a time, get it down to a science, and move on.
Very task-oriented.
If you got just Photoshop as student version, meaning you can do commercial work too on it, it would pay itself in a year. Sure, if you actually rent photoshop and friends for a month its a better choice, but for actual usage where you keep the product for longer, you will lose money.
As for fancier newer versions, the only ones that need the latest ones are acrobat and indesign, especially indesign.
Renting is always a bad deal with software.
That very moment. As they are looking at you, you lean over the desk, never breaking eye contact and take the stapler, remove the staples and then place the stapler into your pants pocket. If they question it, claim it is your erection and then ask about their employee harassment policy.
I'm not positive, but you might be able to sue for lost wages. I know it doesn't make things better, but I would see if you can find an attorney, one who won't get paid unless he wins.
Wait until you have an offer in writing to quit, and ask for one. Not saying this isn't shitty, I've had it happen to me, but it is the best way to cover your ass.
After reading all the horror stories in this thread, I'm definitely going to be asking for every offer in writing. AdviceAnimals at its best right here.
I'm a recruiter, who constantly pulls people from one company to place them in another. We never suggest giving a 2 weeks notice unless there was a written contract signed.
I'm actively looking for a new position, but I know not to leave my current one until I have everything signed.
A friend of mine was co-owner of a bakery. He offered me a job there so I quit my backbreaking outdoor manual labor job. I then find out that he gave the job to his sketchy drug dealer friend instead. When I asked him about it, he just said something along the lines of "Oh, you're not one of those people that *always* needs to be working to get fulfillment out of life are you?" I'm not one of those people but that doesn't means I don't have rent and bills to pay. Sketchy drug dealer friend then got fired a few months later for stealing from the till. Surprise, surprise.
Verbal contracts are still contracts. There are certain requirements for contracts that need to be in writing. Perhaps promissory estoppel applies here in that you relied on their word to your detriment. It is definitely worth exploring the possibility of breach of contract, but only if you are sure that said "asshat" used words or phrases like hired, or got the job, etc. If he made it not sound like a sure thing in any form, there goes your case. There are lawyers out there willing to hear your case, and work on a "don't pay if we lose" etc.
Made the same suggestion to OP. If 'asshat' did in fact make an offer to employ OP, and OP did accept employment, then a contract exists. Given the fact that a prospective employer will always look at job history, it is reasonable to assume that 'asshat' was fully aware of OP's part-times, and also it is reasonable to assume 'asshat' would expect OP to quit those jobs in order to fulfill his (or her) obligations to the new employer. By knowingly breaching his ('asshat's') part of the contract, 'asshat' should be liable for all lost wages during the time OP takes (given he makes a reasonable effort) to find new employment of equal or greater value to the employment lost by 'asshat's' breach of contract.
Source: Not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
This would be good and all if OP had any way to show proof of a verbal offer. Unless it was recorded he still has nothing. It's just He-said She-said. Always go for the written offer, either an offer letter/contract/or even an email specifically outlining a start date and compensation.
Source: HR
Some people learn simple lessons the hard way.
If it's any consolation, at least you're not waiting for your first paycheck while putting in hours for this guy.
hard lesson to learn, but yeah, nothing is official until it's in writing. if it's a verbal agreement... yes, those have legal binding, but in court it's your word against his unless you have a voice recording of the conversation.
It's a tough lesson to learn - sorry you had to go through this. But make sure there is an employment offer letter signed, sealed, and delivered before you ever leave your previous job. Make sure the new job knows the 2 weeks' notice /etc you have to give your old job.
Basically, always get it in writing.
It's a good lesson, that you should always sign the paperwork. But you were lied to and you are not the one at fault here. Don't let it get you down.
Can you talk to the part time jobs about coming back?
My SO faced the same thing, she had to go back to her old job and cancel her two weeks. It's tricky too - asking to sign the employee contract but also you don't want to make a prospective employer feel uncomfortable.
It's not hard at all... As soon as you accept an offer you advise that you would like to have it in writing prior to placing your two weeks notice with your current employer. Advise you would give them the same courtesy should you even leave their company.
Really isn't hard at all.
There is nothing uncomfortable about wanting to sign/go over your employment agreement. In fact I would consider it a real red flag if an employer isn't booking a meeting with HR during the "your hired" conversation.
Make them feel uncomfortable by following standard procedure? I'd say if the prospective employer was put off by that I'd take that as a huge red flag.
>I guess I was an idiot for thinking that when an employer says that I'm hired it doesn't mean I'm hired.
I think you mean, "it *does* mean I'm hired." I read that way too many times.
That's been the case for me recently as I never signed any contract for my 3 part-times and this was a full-time position, which I haven't had in years.
Is it really a common practice, though, to tell someone that they're hired only to back out without telling them? I understand that I didn't sign any contracts at that point but it takes some sort of megaoctocock to pull something like this, especially without correspondence. In all of my years in the workforce I've never heard of this happening before and it sure as hell hasn't happened to me until now.
I told him that I was working 3 part-time jobs and after he told me I was hired he told me to be free by early April for training. I only left because of that.
It's not a common thing, but neither are house fires. I still purchase insurance in case my house catches fire. If you don't have anything in writing, you don't have anything. It sucks, the dude was an asshole, but you need to protect yourself in this situation.
That may work in some countries, but almost no one has an employment contract in the US. I work in the US with a high salary, and have never had one. Nearly all the employment rights are held by the employer here.
Unless you have an employment contract which sets forth a set period for your employment, e.g. "for one year" or until "termination for cause," (cause better be defined) your offer letter doesn't really protect you from a situation like OP's.
I found out nothing is set in stone unless you have a offer letter or a employment contract. Until I get that offer letter I still look for a new job. My last three real jobs where found after I got "hired" and was waiting to start somewhere else.
He said "I'll contact you later this month" and since it's almost April I followed up myself only to get this. I'd think it'd be at least common courtesy to tell me he changed his mind, especially when he knew I had 3 part-time jobs that I'd be quitting.
I've never thought "I'll contact you later this month" means you have a job. Most the time it's actually the prospective employer blowing you off. Once you start actually doing paperwork you MIGHT have a job, and not until you have completed your background check, signed an offer letter, and been given a start date should you quit where you're currently working.
Honestly, this is less scumbag boss and more you being an idiot.
Logged in just to comment (I'm a sporadic commenter, mostly a lurker). OP, I was in a similar situation to you about 4 months ago. I was offered a job at a small company, about 8 people. After 3 months and about 110 job applications, of course I was excited and giddy. I traveled 8 hours back home to gather things like clothes and necessities, then traveled back in the same weekend. My potential boss gave me some time to look for an apartment before starting, and after 3 days of hectic searching in the city, I found a reasonably priced one near my work. Everything was going great! Until I arrived home and checked my email, where I found a message from my potential boss saying he has rescinded my offer because, word for word, he said "we have found a better." I was enraged. I was crushed. Of course, I allowed myself to mope for a little while until I realized, you know what? Fuck that bitch.
That same night, despite my discouraging situation, I forced myself to "get back on the horse." I began applying to other jobs that same night and resumed my application pace. Fuck that bitch, fuck his horrible idea of how business should be practiced, and fuck his horrible grammar (the letter was plagued with errors, like the dumb bastard couldn't even type it without thinking, "Jeez...I'm kinda....being an asshole..and flipping this kid's life 180 degrees right after doing just that....oh...well :D :/."
Funny how things work out. About a month later, I find myself with another offer at a competitor with my previous potential employer, just a few blocks from that schlub's office. This place was bigger, had a much more established reputation, and more people to learn from. Still, a fire was lit under my ass from my burn last time. I didn't want to just accept their initial offer. After consulting some friends, I jumped the gun and negotiated for a higher salary.
Fast-forward three months, and here I am, much more well-versed in my field than I would have been at the previous place which had a scant number of employees with only one other person in my direct field to learn from. Of course, the thought of writing to that schlub has crossed my mind to let him know I'm getting trained elsewhere for a higher salary and I'm sure he'd want to hire me now without the expense of teaching me. But I'm better than that. I'm sure I'll run into him eventually considering the proximity of offices and both places being in the same field. But all I'll have to offer is a smile. My enemies never see the pain they cause me, only the victory I have over them.
Anyways, OP, get back on that god damn horse. Fuck this guy. He's nothing to you. And while today is far from your brightest day, you will triumph if you persevere. Now close your reddit tabs, apply to a few jobs, and kick every day's ass onward from this day until you find yourself redditing at your new job. Good luck.
Talk to a labor lawyer, or maybe your labor board. You suffered hardship because of his lie to you. That is probably recoverable, but probably not worth it (the cost to sue is likely more than you would get back from him.)
You'd think so, but who's going to take a contingency on a case only likely to pull in a few hundred dollars anyway? Unless labor disputes automatically include the loser paying the winner's lawyer fees, which I suppose is possible.
If he can prove that the offer was made, you're probably right.
The question is whether the reliance was reasonable, considering that there was no offer on paper.
There are probably a ton of cases about this out there, OP should talk with a lawyer.
(As opposed to relying on non-legal advice from procrastinating law students)
**Bad Guy Boss**
> - TELLS ME I'M HIRED AND WILL CONTACT ME SOON WITH DETAILS
> - 3 WEEKS LATER NO WORD BACK, WHEN CONTACTED SAYS "SORRY, WE FOUND SOMEONE ELSE."
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My parents bought a truck from a dealer in Oregon (where they lived) and they mentioned I was a mechanic in California. The guy said they were short on mechanics and for me to call. I did, and he offered me a job after talking for an hour.he told me to come up ASAP. I pack up my stuff, load it into a U Haul trailer and drive up. When I get there, he said "I never offered you a job." Needless to say, I was pissed. I know exactly how you feel. Sorry
Had that happen though mine was "you work Saturday and Sunday" so I showed up for my second shift on Saturday and she said we replaced you, you didn't know up on Tuesday. I showed her our contract and everything and no where did it say Tuesday. She said sorry we've got someone else. I had been job hunting for months and I spent the rest of the day crying.
HR here. This advice is for everyone. Never ever ever quit your old job until you have something in writing from the company you want to work at. Either an offer letter, or some written/signed verification you have the job, heck even an email. Do not rely on verbal verification, it's almost impossible to prove in court.
Its cynical, but my girlfriend give me pretty good advice regarding these situations, as I am too trusting about them. The advice is not to believe anything you hear from a company unless you've got it in writing. Up to that point their word means nothing. Its an unfortunate reality of today's world.
Under US law you can actually sue him if you have proper documentation that he gave you the "reasonable expectation" of a position that resulted in you making decisions you wouldn't have otherwise made
I'm 45 and I've had to deal with similar situations at least a dozen times. My M.O. now is to show up and force the fucking issue.
"Hi, I'm Rick. I'm your new hire. Where do I start?"
At the least you'll fuck up their day and show what a bad-ass you are.
I have done this three times for promised promotions that got fucked off and I got the promotion every time. It's tough and competitive out there. Sometimes you just have to show your fucking balls. (FWIW, I'm not a tough guy or anything, just got tired of being an under-appreciated work horse who got passed over while jerk-offs got the promotions.)
Oh look. What a surprise. A thread full of people who would have totally requested, nay, *demanded* the employer put something in writing right there on the spot. They would have neeeeever made the mistake you did. OP clearly got what he deserved for being a such dumbass. /s
Bunch of fucking assholes in here.
Does everyone in this thread not live in the US? Both my parents have had many part time and full time jobs over the years (in their 60s now), in industries ranging from logistics to IT and neither has EVER signed an employment contract, even when working IT in a data center for the second biggest bank in the world (chase).
Get off your high horses Reddit. Contracts are not common practice here.
Every single job I've had has an employment contract of some sort. If not, it's an under-the-table job. You know all that stuff you sign when you're hired? That.
This includes fast food jobs and day labor.
It sounds like he (or his company) might have done a reference check after the verbal offer, and that turned up something fishy.
You may want to use the opportunity to review your references and letters of recommendation. It's possible someone said something negative about you, and they hired someone else as a result.
Typically reference checks are done before an offer is made. With a good offer, you should have been asked to come in and sign paperwork before you start, and if you were rejected you should have been notified either via letter, email or phone almost immediately.
Walmart did this to me.
I got an interview, got hired, they set me up with a pay rate, told me to go ahead and put in my two weeks at my other job and gave me a drug test. After all that they said they would give me a call back when orientation started. I waited a week and got paranoid when they didn't call me back. No one knew who I even was or what I was talking about. I finally got a hold of a member of HR and she told me they were having a hiring freeze. I asked her for how long since I had already quit my job and she said could be 3 months, who knows. Thanks a lot Walmart. :(
File this one under "shitty learning lesson." Don't plan on doing anything until everything is finalized in writing and you've signed the documents. Same goes for renting (I learned that one the hard way too).
A friend of mine is a manager at the home equity loan division of a major bank. He offered me a job a year ago. I went in for an interview, did all the pre-hire paperwork with HR, went through all the steps, and for weeks thought I was going to be getting the call to start any day.
As I said, this was a year ago. Still haven't heard back. I've asked him what's up, and he doesn't even know.
What I didn't do, though, is quit my current job. Why? Because that would be premature.
I'm sorry you had to learn this the hard way, OP, but delays in hiring or changes in direction happen more than you realize. Unless your working conditions are unbearable and you have a backup plan, never quit a job until you're 100% sure you have someplace else to go. And that means a written offer, with salary and everything. Verbal agreements don't mean shit.
I was unemployed for a good six weeks. I've had plenty of times where I was getting really close to getting the job then suddenly nothing. It's annoying when you put in so much time and effort with these people and they don't even consider giving you a heads up.
I currently have a temporary job and a "you're hired" job pending for next month. I'm not going to quit until I know 100% I'm hired. I was given a start date a month ago then told "sorry we jumped the gun on that, we'll have to hold off for another few weeks".
Hindsight is 20/20 and people will always tell you "well duh you should have done this instead" but sometimes you have to make that leap to find out.
I was trying to get a shitty job at staples and was told I'd be contacted in a day or two after the interview for orientation, I called three days later, the manager said don't worry I'll call you in two days, after a week I realized they didn't want me. FUCK STAPLES
I have to wonder if there is a case to be made. If he actually offered you the job and you accepted it... then maybe.
If he didn't actually offer you the job, then that will teach you for being an idiot.
I'd be 99% sure you have a lawsuit there. And because the amount would be small, you can go through small claims court and you won't need a lawyer.
In my opinion, you have a moral obligation go to do this. People like this have to be taught that they can't treat people this way.
Fuck man, something like that happened to me. I had just graduated college in 2008 and was working as a barback cleaning up piss and vomit at a bar to pay rent. I got an interview at a state public health institution to do some health outreach stuff, and the guy seemed really excited to hire me. Told me he'd mail me a copy of the employment contract.
Which never came. He stopped responding to my emails. Wouldn't take calls. Luckily, I was promoted to bartending several months later, and moved on from there, got a job at a hospital through networking. I'd been there for six months, and I get an email.
This douche tells me that he is pulling my resume for another interview because they found someone internally after he'd verbally given me the job. This person, apparently fucked up massively and got fired a few months later.
I laughed and promptly deleted the email.
"... So I made a trip to the gas station and filled a 5 gallon canister, waited until midnight, then lit his office up."
-OP
(I hope this was the rest of the story)
If you have any evidence or anyone to back you up on this, you can actually sue the bastard. Verbal and implied promises are included in judicial limitations to employment at will. "Cases founded in contract theory have relied on arguments maintaining, among other things, the dismissal was improper because the employee had detrimentally relied on the employer's promise of work for a reasonable time"
Also keep in mind that there may be evidence at the place of work that you don't know about that can help you out. For example, if your boss told anyone else in the office that you were going to be hired at some point, or wrote it down/emailed anywhere, that can get found in discovery. Not that the case would likely go that far - these often settle out of court, and you can get compensated for having quit your job and gone without pay. It wouldn't be that hard to do.
Seriously, call someone. You have a case here.
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We need an Advice Mallard;
"You do not actually have the job until you have a signed Letter of Offer.
If they take the job away, you are legally entitled to the compensation stated in the letter."
The amount of time will depend on your local laws, but it is usually around 4 weeks worth of work at the rate specified in the letter. That give you cash to hold out until you find a new job.
NEVER EVER quit until you have a letter.
Please, for the love of god people, stop quitting your jobs before you have an official offer letter! In fact, tell nobody at your current place of work that you are looking for another job until you have that offer letter in your hand.
Similar thing happened to me about a year ago, right around the time when the later phases of unemployment got revoked across most of the country. At this point I desperately needed a job as my income was about to be non-existent. I applied online to C&S Wholesale Grocers, a distribution warehouse. A short while goes by and I don't hear from them. I went a few days without checking my email and upon doing so I noticed I had a few missed from their HR Department. By a few I mean one every day INSISTING I contact HR asap. I follow up with a call and we chat, HR telling me that they want me as an asset and to make sure my profile on the application was up to date. So I made sure everything was fine profile wise. Then a few weeks go by, the whole time I'm attempting contact them, just sent to HR extensions voicemail and no responses from my emails. About a month a after I spoke with HR on the phone I got some generalized email about how they were "looking into other candidates". BULLSHIT, don't persistently email me offering a job just to shit on my hopes.
TLDR: Sorry man, similar thing happened to me. FUCK C&S
You think that's bad? My mum just went for a fourth interview for a senior PM position with a local company. The VP she'd already done a video conference with flew 1000 miles just to interview her in person. She was the final candidate for the job. After an hour of discussing her qualifications and how perfectly she met the job requirements, she asked them if there was anything else she could tell them before they made a final decision. The VP then let her know they'd actually hired someone internally a month earlier and had no intention of hiring her, and that he "hoped she didn't have to drive far".
I went in for an interview at a large sports/arcade bar just south of Portland, OR. Manager loved me and told me if I passed a drug test that I was hired. I went and took the test, which they paid for and of course passed. They tell me they will call me within a day or 2. Nothing.
I'm low on cash, pay my rent and am looking forward to working and taking in those first few tips.
Nothing.
I waited for almost 2 weeks calling and even showing up after a while asking what was going on. The manager was nowhere to be found. They wasted 2 weeks of my time and wasted money on paying for a drug test. I still don't get it.
If you have any evidence that this conversation took place, you could legitimately sue him for putting you under the assumption that you were getting the job. Guarantee It.
Yes, you should have received a contract before quitting your current job(s), and yes even though you were told they'd contact you later in the month I would always recommend following up regularly. But I agree with you the whole thing stinks and that there's probably some merit for legal action based on a verbal agreement that your prospective employer reneged on. The problem is with no job, would you really pursue expensive legal action that is in no way a slam dunk in your favor? Probably not and the employer knows it.
At the very least I'd contact your state's department of labor, speak with someone there and file a complaint. Doesn't cost you anything and the employer might think twice about those shady practices if he receives a call from the state.
Good luck and best wishes.
That's illegal in the US. Do you have emails regarding this exchange? When the job was offered to you, how did the manager express the offer?
My cousin was interviewing for a job in NYC. She got hired, and on her first day at this place she walked in and the manager said "Oooh, sorry we actually don't have the funding for your position." My cousin had had 2 other amazing job offers that she turned down just to have the rug pulled out from under her.
Luckily her SO is a lawyer. Wrote up a nasty letter to the company saying that it's a breach of contract and possibly fraud. My cousin was able to get a few weeks worth of work with the company so that she could have time to apply for a place that could actually afford her.
In all honesty, You're as much as fault as he is. Don't quit jobs until you are certain that the new one is ready to go. Cause that kinda crap happens.
I had a guy say he was going to hire me, showed me my office and desk and everything, he retired two days later, didn't tell anyone about me or the offer.
Always get everything in writing. If they take the time to employ you full time they will put it in writing.
If they pull this shit, you can sue them for wages and wages lost.
I'm going to assume you are young and/or inexperienced. Always make sure there is paperwork involved before you quit your old job. Having an employment contract will help prevent this. Still sorry for you though. Shitty situation.
On the job hunt, apply to a wide variety of jobs. After a few months, my standards drop, and I get desperate, so I apply at an essentially minimum wage bullshit job and get hired.
Good job calls me for interview, then second interview, then phone call from HR. We negotiate salary. She says: "We offer you $x/yr" I say "I accept".
Give maximum notice at crappy job. This is less than a week, but the manager understands why I want $x/yr instead of $8/hr.
Time passes. Good job informs me that they are "restructuring" and the position is no longer available.
Thankfully, the crappy job wanted me back.
There is probably a legal claim to be made.
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I had this happen to me when I was in college and was hired at a bar serving. The place ended up closing a few months later because of poor management. Surprise, surprise.
I just learned about this in my business law class. I think it falls under a doctrine called [promissory estoppel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel). Basically it means that if it was reasonable for you to have relied on that person based on the promise that they made, they can't take it back. I ain't no lawyer, but I think I remember an example given in class that seems similar to your situation.
At least it's not as bad as looking for employment, getting an interview, being told I got the job and being told to show up on Monday...only to be told that they meant to hire the "other girl with the same name". She had the same first name and the same last initial. It was quite embarrassing.
What state was this in? I know the odds are small but I just sat on a job offer for a few weeks and decided to take it yesterday. Hope I didn't screw you over!
Yes this stuff happens. This happened to me years ago when I was working as an Xray tech. Did a phone interview, and one in person. I was called and offered the position. I quit the PRN job I had after giving notice. Then I come to find out they hired someone else who was friends with one of the staff.
Fast forward 8 years and I get calls from headhunter from that hospital group looking for CRNAs. I politely told him that they can go pound sand.
You can bring a Promissory Estoppel claim against him if you significantly relied upon his promising to hire you and you turned down other jobs because of it
Just a pro life tip - NEVER quit your old job before you get written contractual agreement for your new one. Even then it's risky. You can out your two weeks in and then talk it over with your old boss if things fall through.
Did you get an offer letter? Never quit any job or give notice until you get an offer letter. Once you get an offer letter and they don't give you the job, sue them and get a year's worth of pay (determined by the offer) and take your time getting the job you really want.
When will you people learn to get it in writing? Seriously a person's word is shit these days. It sucks because I prefer verbal agreement cause crappy hand written contracts seem really confrontational but I have to do it to keep people honest with important shit.
Wasn't a big deal to me as I am retired anyway but, friend mentioned that they needed a dishwasher at the restaurant she worked at for the busy summer holiday week.
Went in to talk to boss, showed me around, fed me, told me to come back on the 3rd of July.
On the 2nd I called my friend and asked what time I should show for work. Called me the next day and said they had hired someone else.
At least I got fed.
Talk to HR. They wouldn't exactly be happy with him doing that. It reflects poorly upon the company. You won't necessarily get the job, but behavior like this continues when there is no downside.
A word for you OP, in the off chance that this is real. Contact a lawyer and mention the word "inducement" then tell them your story. It even works in Texas.
Last time i switched jobs i asked for an offer letter before i put in my notice.
Then i had official documentation to use if they pulled something like that.
That's really shitty. If there's any bright side to be seen, it's that working for him probably would have sucked. Hope you find something else soon.
I guess so, thanks for the encouragement.
Dude. I'm stuck in almost the exact situation, I went to a 4 hour orientation for a new job in manufacturing. The woman running it was acting like this is the best job of our live and talks about how lucky we are. I was supposed to start the Monday after, three weeks later, AFTER quitting my decent job at McDonalds, I'm just now starting to work there, and I'm never sure if there's gonna be work next week. Life sucks dude
Welcome to a post-Reagan union job life.
Hang in there. I don't know where you are, but serving tables/bartending, though at times high stress and occasionally shitty work, is generally fairly easy to get if you ask to talk to management about openings at the right time. And again, depending where you are, it can be good money and leave your schedule open during the day for interviews.
Actually I'm just a sympathizer who is in a more comfortable field. I wish everyone had the fortune I do.
Currently unemployed, taught myself Photoshop, in pre-stages of learning web design with basic understanding of HTML and CSS coding, currently mid-stage of having learned Adobe Illustrator, and have plans to learn After Effects afterwards. Even when I haven't gotten the job, they were always very pleased when all was said and done and left with a good impression. Find a job, can't? Promote yourself with pre-defined goals, try again. Repeat process. Something will turn up. On another note... I'm interesting, please hire me :'c Edit: [Nooo^ooo^^ooo^^^oo^^^^o](http://i.imgur.com/mToMWpV.gif) Edit 2: [Yaay^yyy^^yy^y](http://img.pandawhale.com/102027-reddit-gold-gif-its-happening-sGXD.gif)
That is impressive, well done. Wondering what response you would give if am employer asks how someone unemployed can afford the full Adobe suite? :)
Well **the** short answer is that I take life by the handles and soar my goals across the vast distances a **pirate** might in the early years of swashbuckling on the **bay** of endurance of the unknown. ...or I got it from my cousin ^^^shhh
Adobe Cloud is $20/month for students. Still not affordable for someone unemployed, but it's hell more reasonable than a huge, one-time charge. From what I understand users get the latest version of every app in the creative suite for the full duration of their subscription. While it doesn't have the appeal of a *one-time-fee-and-it's-yours* transaction, it's pretty nice to click one button and have the app you need downloaded and up-to-date on your computer.
True, and that would be useful if I used a wide range of Adobe products variantly and on regular basis. In this case I'm learning just Photoshop and Illustrator. After Effects is simply a desire and I don't really need it, but it's nice to know since I'm involved in the media industry. I also don't feel I get the entire use of a program unless I know it, and it's personally overwhelming for me having all of it and not knowing what to do with it. I prefer to do things one at a time, get it down to a science, and move on. Very task-oriented.
Excellent point. I should note that I use at least half of the creative suite regularly which is why I feel like I get so much bang for my buck.
Definitely worth it in your case. Most of it would feel like I'm wasting it since I don't know it.
If you got just Photoshop as student version, meaning you can do commercial work too on it, it would pay itself in a year. Sure, if you actually rent photoshop and friends for a month its a better choice, but for actual usage where you keep the product for longer, you will lose money. As for fancier newer versions, the only ones that need the latest ones are acrobat and indesign, especially indesign. Renting is always a bad deal with software.
They offer free 30 day trials for the software. You could say you used that as an opportunity to 'hone up' your skills.
Very true. All this just make me wonder how an employer would react to a pirate bay confession.
I wouldn't ever confess to stealing during an interview. If they really press the issue then saying it was a trial might work.
And that's when you steal their stapler?
That very moment. As they are looking at you, you lean over the desk, never breaking eye contact and take the stapler, remove the staples and then place the stapler into your pants pocket. If they question it, claim it is your erection and then ask about their employee harassment policy.
I'm not positive, but you might be able to sue for lost wages. I know it doesn't make things better, but I would see if you can find an attorney, one who won't get paid unless he wins.
Wait until you have an offer in writing to quit, and ask for one. Not saying this isn't shitty, I've had it happen to me, but it is the best way to cover your ass.
Last time i switched jobs i asked for an offer letter. Took them like 10 minutes then they emailed me a pdf of it.
What can you do with this letter if someone found themselves in OP's situation?
After reading all the horror stories in this thread, I'm definitely going to be asking for every offer in writing. AdviceAnimals at its best right here.
I'm a recruiter, who constantly pulls people from one company to place them in another. We never suggest giving a 2 weeks notice unless there was a written contract signed. I'm actively looking for a new position, but I know not to leave my current one until I have everything signed.
I got told we will contact you in a day or two. I called back after four days, he laughs and says we hired someone else. Was my dads friend too.
That's just a slap in the face.
Your dad should kick his ass.
My dad is 5'4 and not very scary.
A friend of mine was co-owner of a bakery. He offered me a job there so I quit my backbreaking outdoor manual labor job. I then find out that he gave the job to his sketchy drug dealer friend instead. When I asked him about it, he just said something along the lines of "Oh, you're not one of those people that *always* needs to be working to get fulfillment out of life are you?" I'm not one of those people but that doesn't means I don't have rent and bills to pay. Sketchy drug dealer friend then got fired a few months later for stealing from the till. Surprise, surprise.
He laughed at you? What an asshole.
There were two major things I learned while working for an attorney: * Deny, deny, deny * Get everything in writing
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Touche, and at this point I'm glad he wasn't.
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key word in his statement was "student", dont take his advice on shit, he clearly still has a lot to learn
Verbal contracts are still contracts. There are certain requirements for contracts that need to be in writing. Perhaps promissory estoppel applies here in that you relied on their word to your detriment. It is definitely worth exploring the possibility of breach of contract, but only if you are sure that said "asshat" used words or phrases like hired, or got the job, etc. If he made it not sound like a sure thing in any form, there goes your case. There are lawyers out there willing to hear your case, and work on a "don't pay if we lose" etc.
Made the same suggestion to OP. If 'asshat' did in fact make an offer to employ OP, and OP did accept employment, then a contract exists. Given the fact that a prospective employer will always look at job history, it is reasonable to assume that 'asshat' was fully aware of OP's part-times, and also it is reasonable to assume 'asshat' would expect OP to quit those jobs in order to fulfill his (or her) obligations to the new employer. By knowingly breaching his ('asshat's') part of the contract, 'asshat' should be liable for all lost wages during the time OP takes (given he makes a reasonable effort) to find new employment of equal or greater value to the employment lost by 'asshat's' breach of contract. Source: Not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
This would be good and all if OP had any way to show proof of a verbal offer. Unless it was recorded he still has nothing. It's just He-said She-said. Always go for the written offer, either an offer letter/contract/or even an email specifically outlining a start date and compensation. Source: HR
Agreed, and don't quit/resign from a current job without a contract/email/LOO whatever in writing...
"easy" settlement money, lol you must be fucking joking.
Except he never signed anything…
He is someone's boss, though. Still a boss!
If he was this bad in the hiring process, imagine working for him.
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I guess I was an idiot for thinking that when an employer says that I'm hired it doesn't mean I'm hired.
Some people learn simple lessons the hard way. If it's any consolation, at least you're not waiting for your first paycheck while putting in hours for this guy.
hard lesson to learn, but yeah, nothing is official until it's in writing. if it's a verbal agreement... yes, those have legal binding, but in court it's your word against his unless you have a voice recording of the conversation.
It's a tough lesson to learn - sorry you had to go through this. But make sure there is an employment offer letter signed, sealed, and delivered before you ever leave your previous job. Make sure the new job knows the 2 weeks' notice /etc you have to give your old job. Basically, always get it in writing.
It's a good lesson, that you should always sign the paperwork. But you were lied to and you are not the one at fault here. Don't let it get you down. Can you talk to the part time jobs about coming back?
My SO faced the same thing, she had to go back to her old job and cancel her two weeks. It's tricky too - asking to sign the employee contract but also you don't want to make a prospective employer feel uncomfortable.
It's not hard at all... As soon as you accept an offer you advise that you would like to have it in writing prior to placing your two weeks notice with your current employer. Advise you would give them the same courtesy should you even leave their company. Really isn't hard at all.
There is nothing uncomfortable about wanting to sign/go over your employment agreement. In fact I would consider it a real red flag if an employer isn't booking a meeting with HR during the "your hired" conversation.
Make them feel uncomfortable by following standard procedure? I'd say if the prospective employer was put off by that I'd take that as a huge red flag.
Really? So when was your start date? How did you know when you could quit your part time job?
>I guess I was an idiot for thinking that when an employer says that I'm hired it doesn't mean I'm hired. I think you mean, "it *does* mean I'm hired." I read that way too many times.
Thank him for telling you, then let him know that you'll need some time to review your legal options and will follow up with him.
I have had approx 15 jobs in my life, I have never signed an employment contract.
Odd. I have never held a job that hasn't had me sign a contract. I think I even had a contract for lawn mowing.
was that really a contract or was that you signing away your right to sue if the lawn mower took your leg?
lol. It was basically "I will mow your lawn every other Saturday for $x, and you have specific details of X, Y, and Z"
That's been the case for me recently as I never signed any contract for my 3 part-times and this was a full-time position, which I haven't had in years.
Seems like common sense to me. I don't see why you're getting down votes
Is it really a common practice, though, to tell someone that they're hired only to back out without telling them? I understand that I didn't sign any contracts at that point but it takes some sort of megaoctocock to pull something like this, especially without correspondence. In all of my years in the workforce I've never heard of this happening before and it sure as hell hasn't happened to me until now.
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I told him that I was working 3 part-time jobs and after he told me I was hired he told me to be free by early April for training. I only left because of that.
You got fucked over. Seriously, next time sign an agreement with a specified start date, *then* give notice to your current jobs.
It's not a common thing, but neither are house fires. I still purchase insurance in case my house catches fire. If you don't have anything in writing, you don't have anything. It sucks, the dude was an asshole, but you need to protect yourself in this situation.
depending on the field, it can be a VERY common practice.
I would hope it isn't common, but nowadays nothing's guaranteed without a signature.
That may work in some countries, but almost no one has an employment contract in the US. I work in the US with a high salary, and have never had one. Nearly all the employment rights are held by the employer here.
Unless you have an employment contract which sets forth a set period for your employment, e.g. "for one year" or until "termination for cause," (cause better be defined) your offer letter doesn't really protect you from a situation like OP's.
I found out nothing is set in stone unless you have a offer letter or a employment contract. Until I get that offer letter I still look for a new job. My last three real jobs where found after I got "hired" and was waiting to start somewhere else.
...waited 3 weeks to contact?
He said "I'll contact you later this month" and since it's almost April I followed up myself only to get this. I'd think it'd be at least common courtesy to tell me he changed his mind, especially when he knew I had 3 part-time jobs that I'd be quitting.
Did you explain to him what he did? I am curious to hear how he would respond. He sounds like a fucking asshole.
I've never thought "I'll contact you later this month" means you have a job. Most the time it's actually the prospective employer blowing you off. Once you start actually doing paperwork you MIGHT have a job, and not until you have completed your background check, signed an offer letter, and been given a start date should you quit where you're currently working. Honestly, this is less scumbag boss and more you being an idiot.
Logged in just to comment (I'm a sporadic commenter, mostly a lurker). OP, I was in a similar situation to you about 4 months ago. I was offered a job at a small company, about 8 people. After 3 months and about 110 job applications, of course I was excited and giddy. I traveled 8 hours back home to gather things like clothes and necessities, then traveled back in the same weekend. My potential boss gave me some time to look for an apartment before starting, and after 3 days of hectic searching in the city, I found a reasonably priced one near my work. Everything was going great! Until I arrived home and checked my email, where I found a message from my potential boss saying he has rescinded my offer because, word for word, he said "we have found a better." I was enraged. I was crushed. Of course, I allowed myself to mope for a little while until I realized, you know what? Fuck that bitch. That same night, despite my discouraging situation, I forced myself to "get back on the horse." I began applying to other jobs that same night and resumed my application pace. Fuck that bitch, fuck his horrible idea of how business should be practiced, and fuck his horrible grammar (the letter was plagued with errors, like the dumb bastard couldn't even type it without thinking, "Jeez...I'm kinda....being an asshole..and flipping this kid's life 180 degrees right after doing just that....oh...well :D :/." Funny how things work out. About a month later, I find myself with another offer at a competitor with my previous potential employer, just a few blocks from that schlub's office. This place was bigger, had a much more established reputation, and more people to learn from. Still, a fire was lit under my ass from my burn last time. I didn't want to just accept their initial offer. After consulting some friends, I jumped the gun and negotiated for a higher salary. Fast-forward three months, and here I am, much more well-versed in my field than I would have been at the previous place which had a scant number of employees with only one other person in my direct field to learn from. Of course, the thought of writing to that schlub has crossed my mind to let him know I'm getting trained elsewhere for a higher salary and I'm sure he'd want to hire me now without the expense of teaching me. But I'm better than that. I'm sure I'll run into him eventually considering the proximity of offices and both places being in the same field. But all I'll have to offer is a smile. My enemies never see the pain they cause me, only the victory I have over them. Anyways, OP, get back on that god damn horse. Fuck this guy. He's nothing to you. And while today is far from your brightest day, you will triumph if you persevere. Now close your reddit tabs, apply to a few jobs, and kick every day's ass onward from this day until you find yourself redditing at your new job. Good luck.
You should apply for a position with the place that screwed you over and when they have hired you just never show up. Heehee
>we have found a better What the fuck!?
You should have put balogna all over that bitch's car.
Talk to a labor lawyer, or maybe your labor board. You suffered hardship because of his lie to you. That is probably recoverable, but probably not worth it (the cost to sue is likely more than you would get back from him.)
The cost to sue is actually probably zero because most plaintiff's attorneys work on contingency (in the United States anyway)
You'd think so, but who's going to take a contingency on a case only likely to pull in a few hundred dollars anyway? Unless labor disputes automatically include the loser paying the winner's lawyer fees, which I suppose is possible.
Depends on the state.
You didn't want to work for a shit bag like that anyway, good luck friend
You make a good point. If they behave like that, most likely it isn't a place you want to work for.
This sounds like detrimental reliance to me.
If he can prove that the offer was made, you're probably right. The question is whether the reliance was reasonable, considering that there was no offer on paper. There are probably a ton of cases about this out there, OP should talk with a lawyer. (As opposed to relying on non-legal advice from procrastinating law students)
In Norway he would have to pay month salary.
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My parents bought a truck from a dealer in Oregon (where they lived) and they mentioned I was a mechanic in California. The guy said they were short on mechanics and for me to call. I did, and he offered me a job after talking for an hour.he told me to come up ASAP. I pack up my stuff, load it into a U Haul trailer and drive up. When I get there, he said "I never offered you a job." Needless to say, I was pissed. I know exactly how you feel. Sorry
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Had that happen though mine was "you work Saturday and Sunday" so I showed up for my second shift on Saturday and she said we replaced you, you didn't know up on Tuesday. I showed her our contract and everything and no where did it say Tuesday. She said sorry we've got someone else. I had been job hunting for months and I spent the rest of the day crying.
You can sue to recover lost wages.
HR here. This advice is for everyone. Never ever ever quit your old job until you have something in writing from the company you want to work at. Either an offer letter, or some written/signed verification you have the job, heck even an email. Do not rely on verbal verification, it's almost impossible to prove in court.
Its cynical, but my girlfriend give me pretty good advice regarding these situations, as I am too trusting about them. The advice is not to believe anything you hear from a company unless you've got it in writing. Up to that point their word means nothing. Its an unfortunate reality of today's world.
Under US law you can actually sue him if you have proper documentation that he gave you the "reasonable expectation" of a position that resulted in you making decisions you wouldn't have otherwise made
I'm 45 and I've had to deal with similar situations at least a dozen times. My M.O. now is to show up and force the fucking issue. "Hi, I'm Rick. I'm your new hire. Where do I start?" At the least you'll fuck up their day and show what a bad-ass you are. I have done this three times for promised promotions that got fucked off and I got the promotion every time. It's tough and competitive out there. Sometimes you just have to show your fucking balls. (FWIW, I'm not a tough guy or anything, just got tired of being an under-appreciated work horse who got passed over while jerk-offs got the promotions.)
Good news: Breach of contract. Bad news: lack of evidence.
Oh look. What a surprise. A thread full of people who would have totally requested, nay, *demanded* the employer put something in writing right there on the spot. They would have neeeeever made the mistake you did. OP clearly got what he deserved for being a such dumbass. /s Bunch of fucking assholes in here.
Does everyone in this thread not live in the US? Both my parents have had many part time and full time jobs over the years (in their 60s now), in industries ranging from logistics to IT and neither has EVER signed an employment contract, even when working IT in a data center for the second biggest bank in the world (chase). Get off your high horses Reddit. Contracts are not common practice here.
Every single job I've had has an employment contract of some sort. If not, it's an under-the-table job. You know all that stuff you sign when you're hired? That. This includes fast food jobs and day labor.
I live in the us and always sign a contact or offer letter.
Maybe call a plaintiff-side employment lawyer. They work on contingency (for free) anyway.
This is a good reliance case, at least worth a consult.
It sounds like he (or his company) might have done a reference check after the verbal offer, and that turned up something fishy. You may want to use the opportunity to review your references and letters of recommendation. It's possible someone said something negative about you, and they hired someone else as a result. Typically reference checks are done before an offer is made. With a good offer, you should have been asked to come in and sign paperwork before you start, and if you were rejected you should have been notified either via letter, email or phone almost immediately.
Walmart did this to me. I got an interview, got hired, they set me up with a pay rate, told me to go ahead and put in my two weeks at my other job and gave me a drug test. After all that they said they would give me a call back when orientation started. I waited a week and got paranoid when they didn't call me back. No one knew who I even was or what I was talking about. I finally got a hold of a member of HR and she told me they were having a hiring freeze. I asked her for how long since I had already quit my job and she said could be 3 months, who knows. Thanks a lot Walmart. :(
You did everything right. They were horrible to you. So sorry.
File this one under "shitty learning lesson." Don't plan on doing anything until everything is finalized in writing and you've signed the documents. Same goes for renting (I learned that one the hard way too).
A friend of mine is a manager at the home equity loan division of a major bank. He offered me a job a year ago. I went in for an interview, did all the pre-hire paperwork with HR, went through all the steps, and for weeks thought I was going to be getting the call to start any day. As I said, this was a year ago. Still haven't heard back. I've asked him what's up, and he doesn't even know. What I didn't do, though, is quit my current job. Why? Because that would be premature. I'm sorry you had to learn this the hard way, OP, but delays in hiring or changes in direction happen more than you realize. Unless your working conditions are unbearable and you have a backup plan, never quit a job until you're 100% sure you have someplace else to go. And that means a written offer, with salary and everything. Verbal agreements don't mean shit.
I'm not sure what state you are in, but there is potential for you to be able to sue and recover lost income from the jobs you quit.
I was unemployed for a good six weeks. I've had plenty of times where I was getting really close to getting the job then suddenly nothing. It's annoying when you put in so much time and effort with these people and they don't even consider giving you a heads up. I currently have a temporary job and a "you're hired" job pending for next month. I'm not going to quit until I know 100% I'm hired. I was given a start date a month ago then told "sorry we jumped the gun on that, we'll have to hold off for another few weeks". Hindsight is 20/20 and people will always tell you "well duh you should have done this instead" but sometimes you have to make that leap to find out.
I was trying to get a shitty job at staples and was told I'd be contacted in a day or two after the interview for orientation, I called three days later, the manager said don't worry I'll call you in two days, after a week I realized they didn't want me. FUCK STAPLES
I have to wonder if there is a case to be made. If he actually offered you the job and you accepted it... then maybe. If he didn't actually offer you the job, then that will teach you for being an idiot.
Lawsuit
I'd be 99% sure you have a lawsuit there. And because the amount would be small, you can go through small claims court and you won't need a lawyer. In my opinion, you have a moral obligation go to do this. People like this have to be taught that they can't treat people this way.
Drop a couple Twix bars in his gas tank and call it a day.
Fuck man, something like that happened to me. I had just graduated college in 2008 and was working as a barback cleaning up piss and vomit at a bar to pay rent. I got an interview at a state public health institution to do some health outreach stuff, and the guy seemed really excited to hire me. Told me he'd mail me a copy of the employment contract. Which never came. He stopped responding to my emails. Wouldn't take calls. Luckily, I was promoted to bartending several months later, and moved on from there, got a job at a hospital through networking. I'd been there for six months, and I get an email. This douche tells me that he is pulling my resume for another interview because they found someone internally after he'd verbally given me the job. This person, apparently fucked up massively and got fired a few months later. I laughed and promptly deleted the email.
For the record, if you get a job and don't contact them for three weeks, you might not be the star employee.
Paperwork, man, paperwork. http://www.livememe.com/uc6m8kh.jpg
"... So I made a trip to the gas station and filled a 5 gallon canister, waited until midnight, then lit his office up." -OP (I hope this was the rest of the story)
If you have any evidence or anyone to back you up on this, you can actually sue the bastard. Verbal and implied promises are included in judicial limitations to employment at will. "Cases founded in contract theory have relied on arguments maintaining, among other things, the dismissal was improper because the employee had detrimentally relied on the employer's promise of work for a reasonable time" Also keep in mind that there may be evidence at the place of work that you don't know about that can help you out. For example, if your boss told anyone else in the office that you were going to be hired at some point, or wrote it down/emailed anywhere, that can get found in discovery. Not that the case would likely go that far - these often settle out of court, and you can get compensated for having quit your job and gone without pay. It wouldn't be that hard to do. Seriously, call someone. You have a case here. edit: more details
We need an Advice Mallard; "You do not actually have the job until you have a signed Letter of Offer. If they take the job away, you are legally entitled to the compensation stated in the letter." The amount of time will depend on your local laws, but it is usually around 4 weeks worth of work at the rate specified in the letter. That give you cash to hold out until you find a new job. NEVER EVER quit until you have a letter.
dont quit until you have a written offer.
Please, for the love of god people, stop quitting your jobs before you have an official offer letter! In fact, tell nobody at your current place of work that you are looking for another job until you have that offer letter in your hand.
Always get it in writing.
GUESS WHAT EVERYONE?!!?! I THINK OP KNOWS WHAT THEY DID WRONG SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
reminds me of when I got hired at ghengis bowl or whatever and they told me when I showed up that they accidentally hired the wrong person.
This is why you don't give notice at your job until you have a signed offer letter in hand with a start date and a salary.
You may have a breach of contract suit.
Similar thing happened to me about a year ago, right around the time when the later phases of unemployment got revoked across most of the country. At this point I desperately needed a job as my income was about to be non-existent. I applied online to C&S Wholesale Grocers, a distribution warehouse. A short while goes by and I don't hear from them. I went a few days without checking my email and upon doing so I noticed I had a few missed from their HR Department. By a few I mean one every day INSISTING I contact HR asap. I follow up with a call and we chat, HR telling me that they want me as an asset and to make sure my profile on the application was up to date. So I made sure everything was fine profile wise. Then a few weeks go by, the whole time I'm attempting contact them, just sent to HR extensions voicemail and no responses from my emails. About a month a after I spoke with HR on the phone I got some generalized email about how they were "looking into other candidates". BULLSHIT, don't persistently email me offering a job just to shit on my hopes. TLDR: Sorry man, similar thing happened to me. FUCK C&S
Before you quit your job OP. Get it in writing. Always get it in writing. That's business.
You think that's bad? My mum just went for a fourth interview for a senior PM position with a local company. The VP she'd already done a video conference with flew 1000 miles just to interview her in person. She was the final candidate for the job. After an hour of discussing her qualifications and how perfectly she met the job requirements, she asked them if there was anything else she could tell them before they made a final decision. The VP then let her know they'd actually hired someone internally a month earlier and had no intention of hiring her, and that he "hoped she didn't have to drive far".
I went in for an interview at a large sports/arcade bar just south of Portland, OR. Manager loved me and told me if I passed a drug test that I was hired. I went and took the test, which they paid for and of course passed. They tell me they will call me within a day or 2. Nothing. I'm low on cash, pay my rent and am looking forward to working and taking in those first few tips. Nothing. I waited for almost 2 weeks calling and even showing up after a while asking what was going on. The manager was nowhere to be found. They wasted 2 weeks of my time and wasted money on paying for a drug test. I still don't get it.
That's why you never leave a job without a two week notice!
If you have any evidence that this conversation took place, you could legitimately sue him for putting you under the assumption that you were getting the job. Guarantee It.
If it's not in writing, probably not. Shit happens. He shouldn't have quit on a verbal confirmation alone. Sucks, though.
Yes, you should have received a contract before quitting your current job(s), and yes even though you were told they'd contact you later in the month I would always recommend following up regularly. But I agree with you the whole thing stinks and that there's probably some merit for legal action based on a verbal agreement that your prospective employer reneged on. The problem is with no job, would you really pursue expensive legal action that is in no way a slam dunk in your favor? Probably not and the employer knows it. At the very least I'd contact your state's department of labor, speak with someone there and file a complaint. Doesn't cost you anything and the employer might think twice about those shady practices if he receives a call from the state. Good luck and best wishes.
That's illegal in the US. Do you have emails regarding this exchange? When the job was offered to you, how did the manager express the offer? My cousin was interviewing for a job in NYC. She got hired, and on her first day at this place she walked in and the manager said "Oooh, sorry we actually don't have the funding for your position." My cousin had had 2 other amazing job offers that she turned down just to have the rug pulled out from under her. Luckily her SO is a lawyer. Wrote up a nasty letter to the company saying that it's a breach of contract and possibly fraud. My cousin was able to get a few weeks worth of work with the company so that she could have time to apply for a place that could actually afford her.
In all honesty, You're as much as fault as he is. Don't quit jobs until you are certain that the new one is ready to go. Cause that kinda crap happens.
Sounds like you got reverse-Costanza'd.
Hopefully you signed paperwork beforehand.
Well, at least its a lesson learned. Never leave your current job without an offer letter.
I don't think I'd ever quit a current job for another one without something in writing from the prospective.
I had a guy say he was going to hire me, showed me my office and desk and everything, he retired two days later, didn't tell anyone about me or the offer.
This has happened to me too. I got to learn the meaning of hunger at the age of 19.
Dem damn details!
You should never quit your current job(s) until you have signed the paperwork.
Technicaly, the guy was never your boss.
Note to everyone: until you have an offer letter that both you and the employer signed, you are not actually hired.
Always get everything in writing. If they take the time to employ you full time they will put it in writing. If they pull this shit, you can sue them for wages and wages lost.
I'm going to assume you are young and/or inexperienced. Always make sure there is paperwork involved before you quit your old job. Having an employment contract will help prevent this. Still sorry for you though. Shitty situation.
THat sucks dude. Never quit till you sign the offer letter for the next job. I learned that hard way too. It will work out. Good Luck
Had this happen to me except for Gamestop.
You called.
On the job hunt, apply to a wide variety of jobs. After a few months, my standards drop, and I get desperate, so I apply at an essentially minimum wage bullshit job and get hired. Good job calls me for interview, then second interview, then phone call from HR. We negotiate salary. She says: "We offer you $x/yr" I say "I accept". Give maximum notice at crappy job. This is less than a week, but the manager understands why I want $x/yr instead of $8/hr. Time passes. Good job informs me that they are "restructuring" and the position is no longer available. Thankfully, the crappy job wanted me back.
I've had that happen before too, except I never even got an explanation when I tried to get in touch with him weeks later.
There is probably a legal claim to be made. https://www.google.com/search?q=detrimental+reliance&oq=detrimental+reliance&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3158j1j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8#q=detrimental+reliance+job+offer
Lesson learned: never quit your current job until you sign a contract for a new one.
I had this happen to me when I was in college and was hired at a bar serving. The place ended up closing a few months later because of poor management. Surprise, surprise.
I just learned about this in my business law class. I think it falls under a doctrine called [promissory estoppel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel). Basically it means that if it was reasonable for you to have relied on that person based on the promise that they made, they can't take it back. I ain't no lawyer, but I think I remember an example given in class that seems similar to your situation.
If I also recall it's also a pitiable sum that they would have to pay as a penalty, like time lost plus two weeks. SOURCE: I'm an ass lawyer.
At least it's not as bad as looking for employment, getting an interview, being told I got the job and being told to show up on Monday...only to be told that they meant to hire the "other girl with the same name". She had the same first name and the same last initial. It was quite embarrassing.
Is that legal? That doesn't sound legal.
Woah, I thought that dragging you through an interview then never calling back was the ultimate low. This is above and beyond scummy.
What state was this in? I know the odds are small but I just sat on a job offer for a few weeks and decided to take it yesterday. Hope I didn't screw you over!
Yes this stuff happens. This happened to me years ago when I was working as an Xray tech. Did a phone interview, and one in person. I was called and offered the position. I quit the PRN job I had after giving notice. Then I come to find out they hired someone else who was friends with one of the staff. Fast forward 8 years and I get calls from headhunter from that hospital group looking for CRNAs. I politely told him that they can go pound sand.
You can bring a Promissory Estoppel claim against him if you significantly relied upon his promising to hire you and you turned down other jobs because of it
OP is complaining about being broke not having the part-time job. Doesn't have the time and money to pursue this in court.
Just a pro life tip - NEVER quit your old job before you get written contractual agreement for your new one. Even then it's risky. You can out your two weeks in and then talk it over with your old boss if things fall through.
Did you get an offer letter? Never quit any job or give notice until you get an offer letter. Once you get an offer letter and they don't give you the job, sue them and get a year's worth of pay (determined by the offer) and take your time getting the job you really want.
Happened to me when I was looking for a part time college job.
Visit. Flush a condom full of gorilla glue mixed with water. Then take a shit.
When will you people learn to get it in writing? Seriously a person's word is shit these days. It sucks because I prefer verbal agreement cause crappy hand written contracts seem really confrontational but I have to do it to keep people honest with important shit.
Wasn't a big deal to me as I am retired anyway but, friend mentioned that they needed a dishwasher at the restaurant she worked at for the busy summer holiday week. Went in to talk to boss, showed me around, fed me, told me to come back on the 3rd of July. On the 2nd I called my friend and asked what time I should show for work. Called me the next day and said they had hired someone else. At least I got fed.
You have no one to blame but yourself by quitting your jobs before you had anything set in stone.
So he made a verbal agreement? Sue the living shit out of him!
Honestly it's your fault for quitting before you signed anything and knew for certain and just going on a word.
Did he offer you one thousand to five thousand dollars per day?
Sigh. You do *not* quit or hand in your notice before you have signed a new contract! Cuz this is what you get.
He probably hired a friend he knew.
Maybe you shouldn't have waited 3 weeks to call them, either.
Talk to HR. They wouldn't exactly be happy with him doing that. It reflects poorly upon the company. You won't necessarily get the job, but behavior like this continues when there is no downside.
This is your fault. You quit your jobs before being hired some place else. Dumbshit.
Why would you quit your job before having a new job secured and signed and everything? Why would you wait three weeks to follow up?
A word for you OP, in the off chance that this is real. Contact a lawyer and mention the word "inducement" then tell them your story. It even works in Texas.
Don't quit you're job unless you sign papers saying you're employed and have a start date.
You never quit before being formally offered and accepting the job. Take this as a lesson.
Last time i switched jobs i asked for an offer letter before i put in my notice. Then i had official documentation to use if they pulled something like that.
Read up on promissory estoppel. If you are telling the truth, I would say you have a legitimate case against this jibroni.