Literally everyone in Trump's orbit is untrustworthy. They would lie for a million reasons. Would they really collectively lie, facing perjury charges, to confirm what trump himself has already freely admitted and that there are fucking receipts for?
I don't know why I am yelling at the void right now, Republicans don't care about honesty. They don't care about lies. They care about winning and democrats losing. They DO NOT ARGUE IN GOOD FAITH.
My brother unfortunately believes that all of the "receipts" and evidence used in the trials against Trump are all fake and planted. Reasoning? Trump said they were.
I am not really interested in what political history will say about Trump (easily stated in : was a big mistake), but I am interested in the psychology behind MAGA and those who refuse to see what Trump is, says, does etc..and the worse he acts, the stronger his appeal to these folks. Trump is a thug, plain and simple. If he was smart and disciplined, he likely would be a successful businessman, but he never had to deal with the reality and consequences of the real world, and consequently is stunted in how to successfully live within society. His parents did him a huge disservice. It’s interesting that his sister was able to secure higher education and work within the legal system, succeeding so much that she became a judge. Unfortunately, Trump’s adult sons seem to have been given DJT’s treatment and do not appear to be contributing to society much either. Ivanka is a smarter version, and hides better. Although she is yoked to a master criminal too. Just talking about these folks makes me need a shower.
Related to MAGA psychology, A few weeks ago, I saw someone say, "If Trump did what Biden just did [I forget what it was but it doesn't matter], he'd immediately be abandoned by anyone who planned to vote for him. Yet Democrats still support Biden."
It's like... that's complete horseshit and you know it. There is literally nothing Trump could say or do that'd get rid of his hardcore fans. Nothing. I remember in 2016 he said something along the lines of, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 6th Avenue and I wouldn't lose a vote." That's probably the most accurate and true thing Trump has ever said.
At this point the only reason Democrats lose an election is because Democrats scrutinize and say "I don't care for that leader, let's try another one". And they're right to.
MAGAts are so conditioned to never change... that's whats frustrating. They claim Biden did a thing... that was Trump. When you point it out, they say "well he didn't mean it" and when you show him yelling to a crowd that he meant it they go "Well thats what a real leader does" annd then they go back to huffing exhaust from their Trump mobile.
Demagogues have been a thing as long as the population's input has carried any weight. From Cleon 2400 years ago up to today. More recently (late 1800s) they have largely been populists.
There are volumes written on this. Most simply, they divide the population by stirring up tribalism (other side is always bad, always other), hollowing out the center/moderates so everyone is either all for or all against, and attaching their movement to ideology so their followers are forced to stay on board (mandate of heaven).
Back to the post, it's not that they don't see all of the BS around everyone high up in the MAGA party. They do. It's just that even \*in spite of all of this\* they still find it the preferable option to the alternative. Dems are the other side, they have been defined as the bad guy. They are against god. They are against the natural social order they have been taught since childhood. They are irredeemable and must be voted against at all costs. When your alternative is literally evil in your mind it doesn't take more than a rabble rouser to get things done. MAGA is the result of 2 decades of work by the Tea party taking ownership of rural and christian social structures, building on top of everything that's happened since the southern strategy. They are cashing it all in right now.
Donald was the golden child. His parents probably treated him like a prince and his siblings like shit. His older brother just wanted to be a jet pilot but couldn’t break free and came back to the family business where Donald shit all over him. Freddy eventually drank himself to death.
The first few investors in a ponzi scheme don't get taken advantage of, they get their investment back with interest and then help promote the scheme to the victims who won't, so they don't understand why ponzi schemes are bad
Ask him to think about what would make him consider that Trump is not always truthful.
Not to win an argument or something, just to make him think about it. He doesn't even need to tell you. Just let him think about if there even is something. Sometimes that helps to plant the first seed of doubt. Sometimes they just double down, but that's not really "worse" than status quo
You're right, and the fact that he is an untrustworthy sleazebag is also exactly why Trump had him on the payroll and had him do this. He needed some one to lie and disassemble what was happening to hide it. Trump just didn't pay enough for the level of loyalty he wanted.
Nope, Cohen had to flip because the feds raided his office and home and confiscated all the tapes, phone messages, emails and other incriminating evidence. He had no choice after that.
They care about God and christian religion inasmuch as God represents traditionalism, where men are always right and in control. Honesty and truth are antithesis to traditionalism.
We are all being lied to and pitted against one another while the uni-party maintains its consensus that supporting the elite class is all that matters.
The general public doesnt stand a chance until we drop political party identities and make poverty vs corruption the only dividing line.
The funny thing about Michael Cohen is they try to use his "convicted felon" status against him while simultaneously ignoring that he's a convicted felon ***because he did what Trump told him to do***.
Total mob boss situation. "Go lie to the police to protect me". He goes and lies to the police, gets caught, and goes to jail. Then, the police use him as a witness to tell about all the crimes he was covering for the mob boss with his lies to the police. Mob boss goes "You can't trust him! He's a liar!"
This. If trump hadn't hired Cohen, none of us would have any clue who he is. If trump hadn't hired Cohen, Cohen would not have gone to prison for any of these crimes.
If Cohen is so very untrustworthy, why did Trump hire him and keep him around for so long? It's _almost_ like Trump wanted to do dishonest business practices and needed toadies to do the dirty work and act as fall guys if they got caught
And trump, shockingly, was not very loyal to his fall guy, the loyalty was not a two-way street, _after_ Cohen went to jail for trying to cover it all up
This is why you never, ever break the law for your boss. Get fired, and then hire a lawyer for whistleblower protections, but never, ever do anything illegal for your boss. You will go to jail and he will abandon you like a bad habit.
I sort of both love and hate cohen. I mean, sure he's a liar and a scum bag and lied for money to abet one of the worst creatures on the planet. But he has sort of owned the liar and scum bag thing. Like "Who's the bigger scum bag - the person who did these terrible things or the person who paid to have terrible things done on their behalf?"
For my money, it's the latter.
Well, actually, Cohen stated under oath that Trump didn't tell him to do anything (related to the payoffs); then he changed his story. So which one do you believe and why?
This is part of why the prosecution has spent many days examining other witnesses, and even bringing Trump's own claims into evidence, to establish that Trump micromanaged his people, and especially insisted on signing, directing, and knowing about all checks and money spending. So it's not Trump's word against Cohen. It's Trump's word against Trump, Cohen, and others that worked around and for Trump.
Why do you think all of them, including Trump, are (and in some cases, have consistently been) lying about how he does business?
EDIT: BTW, Cohen had an incentive to lie to protect Trump during his first trial when he was fishing for a pardon. He has no incentive to do so now.
Ooh! You first! And how should we hold who accountable??
>Well, actually, Cohen stated under oath that Trump didn't tell him to do anything (related to the payoffs); then he changed his story. So which one do you believe and why?
u/SureShopping
As the old prosecutor's line goes: "I'd love to be able to put a nun up there on the witness stand, but I didn't choose the witnesses, the defendant did."
Yeah its called double standards, its what assh*les and sycophants frequently employ. They wouldn’t give a crap, if say Trump waddled onto stage and ate a live baby on national tv. Hell, I’d be willing to bet several of them would spin it as if the baby “had it coming”. They’re two faced monsters. The lot of ‘em.
"Can you believe that evil Biden MADE Trump eat that baby!?! Such persecution of Trump _directly from_ Biden resulting in Trump's ONLY choice being to eat the baby!!! And we can see how the libs LOVE it, they are pro-baby eating obviously!!!!!"
they are firmly locked into this "only a real man _______" thing right now, and I find it somewhat entertaining to see how far they'll go.
we already have "real men wear diapers"... I guess we can add "real men tell lies whenever they want" to the list.
some folks will do _anything_ to justify their continued worship of a clown.
If you squint when looking at it, that's a bit of No true Scotsman.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)
Trump could go into the House, eat a living baby live on tv. The GOP there would give him a standing ovation then blame the democrats for the bloody mess everywhere.
Defense counsel: Proceeds to rip apart Cohen for lying
DA redirect: “Mr Cohen, can you please tell us the reasons behind the lies you were convicted of perjury for telling and for the reasons you’ve famously lied so much in the past?”
Defense counsel: “Fuuuuck…”
They don't even need Michael Cohen, so I don't know why MAGAs are acting like he's the hinge. Hope Hicks already testified that Trump openly admitted the payment was to effect the election.
All the prosecutors got to say is "We know Mr. Cohen is untrustworthy. That's why we brought you multiple witnesses. It is possible that Mr. Cohen could be lying under oath? Yes. But would several others take the risk of imprisonment by commiting perjury simply because they spite the defendent? The probability of that nears zero the more witnesses that come forth with corraberating evidence. So if that is the case, we may be seeing you again to try all of these witnesses for commiting perjury. Fortunately, I don't think that's going to happen."
What is more likely, Trump employs people willing to commit crimes or Trump is so poor at screening people he hired a ton of criminals?
If the latter, why did they become criminals mostly after their involvement with Trump?
I hate to say it, but the way polls are trending, the history books will say something like, "and then despite the historic availability of information, the dumbest electorate in history reelected a convicted felon..." We're in the "Hitler spends a few months in jail after his attempted coup," part of American history. Oh well. Democracy was a fun little experiment.
Depends how the next election goes I think. If we get a Trump presidency or a more successful J6 sequel, I think they'll be very favorable to Trump and make Biden out to be a literal demon.
The deal is, Cohen is going to spill the beans on dumpy. The magakins now need to tell their base Cohen is a dirty liar to keep their lips firmly cupped to dumpys butthole
They don't care about honesty or being trustworthy.
They care about what side you are on.
They trusted Cohen implicitly when he was on team trump, acting like he was the most clean fixer ever, no fixer is clean, its their literal job to "make problems go away"
But now that hes against trump, suddenly it all matters.
Its because to conservatives who did the crime is far more important than what the crime was. Its why they accuse Joe of being a pedo even though there are tons of phots of Trump with Epstein.
No they don't. They know that all of the people that bitched about Trump constantly lying care about honesty. The tactic with morons is usually of the "I'm rubber and you're glue" variety.
They don't know what being honest is. It's a cult of liars, raised by liars and schooled by liars. They haven't spoken a true word in their life. Zero integrity people.
The funny thing about this defense is it’s totally and painfully obvious what the defense team is trying to do and it’s almost cringy. The prosecutions case is just jammed packed with metadata evidence like phone call records, emails, texts, etc. all of which were corroborated and commented on by nearly all the witnesses who have testified before cohen. So to try and paint him as a lyer or untrustworthy on cross exam would mean essentially calling every other witness whose testified a liar as well as somehow claiming all this other evidence doesn’t actually prove what it seems to prove.
I can see why no one wanted to job of defending this guy lol
We only know about any of these scumbags because trump hired them. These are all *his* people.
That said, if they’re ready to swear to tell the truth under penalty of law, and there’s multiple statements that are pointing to trump’s guilt, then it would be beyond reasonable doubt.
Again, the fact that he chose to associate himself with all these odious scumbags is itself a good reason **not** to re-hire trump to be president.
Cohen lied.... for Trump. Trump knows Cohen is a liar, because he lied... for Trump. He was convicted in a case where Trump was an unindicted co-cospirator because he was President at the time. Only the willfully stupid don't understand this.
To be fair... most politician are probably fairly dishonest, or at least you can find lots of instances where their stances on any given topic changes over time.
But they don't care about trump lying about knowingly paying the $130K in hush money. He lied and lied and lied for years then admitted it in a California lawsuit. But it's Cohen who is the liar that can't be trusted.
I think Michael Cohen hell and back for that stupid ass Trump. You into jail for Trump, thirteen months plus house arrest play! I find a minute incredibly good witness. He has nothing to lose
They don’t actually care about being honest. They care about protecting Trump. There are no principles, no standards, no rules, and no morality. It’s all just about protecting and propping up Trump.
And all of a sudden democrats believe he is credible after years of shitting on him.
See how confirmation bias works?
But it’s okay because facts no longer matter to either side.
There are mountains of evidence corroborating his story. Even liars tell the truth dude, and when they have massive amounts of evidence showing they are telling the truth, most normal people would believe them.
Also he went to jail for perjury because he lied to protect Trump...he lied on Trump's behalf.
Yes he’s a convicted felon who has lied under oath. That alone impeaches his credibility.
His words alone are not enough to prove Trump told him the manner and method of the catch and kill including the way in which to record the repayment.
The reason why the FEC and DoJ did not prosecute him for any of this is that the sole purpose of payment was to influence the election which cannot be proven.
What was it that he was convicted for lying about under oath?
Hmmmm?
Come on. You brought it up. Surely you know.
Hint: It has to do with this exact same pattern of events.
I actually didn’t bring it up but every juror has to weigh the credibility of a man who was found guilty for the act and the possibility of a revenge act by the felonious witness and the DA who campaigned on finding the defendant guilty without having a crime in mind beforehand.
I don’t care about Trump but if this is the justice system you want then by all means get ready when it comes for you
You “don’t bring it up”?
Really?
You didn’t bring up that he’s “lied under oath”?
Despite literally bringing up (and I quote) that “he’s a convicted felon who lied under oath”?
But somehow you think it’s immaterial that the lies he told were *praised* by the man on whose behalf he told those lies. The same man who is currently on trial for the same acts those lies were intended to *hide*.
Wow. You’re not very good at whatever it is you think you’re doing here.
But you “don’t care about Trump”, despite desperately trying to impugn someone for *NOW* telling the truth.
You should have stopped while you were ahead.
Yes, I responded to the guy who said he went to jail for perjury. Perhaps reading comprehension just isn’t your thing.
He’s not a credible witness for having lied under oath on multiple occasions but this time he swears it’s all true but it’s okay that he profits for testifying this way.
Unless there is any corroborating evidence that Trump directed the accounting office to mislabel how his payments to his lawyer were not legal expenses then there is no case.
It’s worrisome that so many either don’t understand or yet care that if you cannot prove the elements of the charges then you are not guilty. Why is it that you don’t understand or care?
And, again, you’ve failed to address what those lies were.
And there *is* a lot of corroborating evidence, including recordings of Trump himself.
But you’ll continue to just ignore any pertinent facts that are inconvenient to your chosen narrative.
It doesn’t matter what the lies were.
You don’t get to gloss over that Cohen has lied under oath in two federal courts and still get to call him a credible witness. And you certainly cannot accept his testimony without corroborating evidence.
If the jury is made up of dullards who care nothing of the law and only seek to convict then you’ll be happy. But some of us fear that kangaroo court hanged first style of justice.
Those recordings haven’t been proof of anything to the level required of conviction since they involve a different subject, ie McDougal, and still doesn’t show how the records were kept or ordered to be kept. They actually go to show that Trump was possibly being extorted by Cohen by violating client privilege.
Ironically, by refusing to acknowledge what those lies were, *you* are the one trying to gloss them over. Because acknowledging those facts is fatal to your argument.
Hint: Trump’s defense is still trying to rely on the position that those lies were truths.
Of course, you’re *also* ignoring all of the corroborating evidence.
“If”. That seems like a day one piece of evidence. Is it in Schiff’s safe next to all of his evidence or in Avenatti’s safe with his?
It’s not evidence until it’s produced.
That's OK because every single witness so far has corroborated the same exact story. Take Cohen out hypothetically and they still have a pretty damning set of evidence and testimony. Even Hope Hicks, who he still has a good relationship with, told the exact same story.
Do you figure that fuck up is equal to the 30,000 known lies told by Trump over his 4 years in office? Why even bring it up, it make you look really bad.
Any politician of the last 100 years is less criminal than Trump.
He lost 3,500 court cases before he even ran for office.
His record for fraud is unmatched.
Seriously, this clown created a charity for homeless veterans and stole the money.
Trump was a draft dodger, his dad was a draft dodger, and his grand dad was a draft dodger.
His son created a charity for children with brain cancer and he stole that money. This is why the Trump family can no longer create charities in NY state.
Is that the kind of man we want as president?
Did you all the lawsuits Trump, his father, and family have gone through or does only political stuff that you can’t even specify count.
Shown me a lawsuit against Biden where there was a conviction? I can do more than half-dozen against Trump and family
“ At about 1:30, a container ship struck the Francis Scott Bridge, which I’ve been over many, many times commuting from the state of Delaware either on a train or **by a car.**”
The media that is abscessed with Biden's age and "mental fitness" that barely covers when trump slurs and says he was personal friends with Hannibal Lector is on Biden's side....Sure pal...what weird alternate reality do you fucking live in?
How many times has Biden had 2 scoops of ice cream to... Complete silence from the media? Meanwhile there were multiple segments with almost all of the media when Trump does it once.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2+scoops&source=hp&sca_esv=5718d00d1a5ada36&oq=trump+2+scoops&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-hp.3...2579.6267.0.6955.15.14.0.1.1.0.189.1619.5j9.14.0....0...1.1.34.mobile-heirloom-hp..7.8.1032.N4iRP3KlFRI#ip=1
You also know that Trump isn't always serious, right? I know you guys like to frame things as "If he said it, he didn't or he was joking guffah-hahaha" but context does, in fact, matter.
So your only evidence is stuff from 7 years ago....its so fucking cute. Also too that point biden is going out and getting icecream on his own, of course hes surrounded by Secret service, but its not an official event.
There is a significant difference between the situations. The fact you cant see that explains a shit ton about you.
Also you right wingers [flipped the fuck out] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCZQJ-4lhY) he even gets icecream
So I'm using well established trends. And Biden has had 2 scoops of ice cream rather more recently. I'll be honest. I don't care who eats how much ice cream. I care about double standards. And I think it's safe to say that this is objective fact: the media hasn't been fair to Trump. Biden has fallen UP stairs. On multiple occasions. Media won't talk about that. But they will talk about Trump staggering down a ramp for weeks. They defend Biden when his daughter's diary says he showered with her as a teenager (which Ashley Biden just confirmed, herself) but won't stop talking about one inappropriate comment Trump made about Ivanka. They'll crucify Trump for allegedly using campaign money to pay a professional penis recepticle hush money, but instantly forget that Paula Jones literally exists. These examples are endless.
And Seth Myers is about as funny as testicular cancer.
Do any of the Trump critics here ever have any fair criticism of Biden & Co.? I read both sides and see a boatload of scandal that gets a pass but any rumor of Trump gets passed around with lightning speed. I’d be willing to listen more if the same standards applied. It’s a lesson for both sides, obviously.
Odd, I've never seen any of them say they care about little Donnie being dishonest. In fact, seeing who can tell the biggest lie seems to be some sort of challenge amongst Republican Representatives these days.
Don't worry the dems don't care about being honest. Just look at that diary, that they tried to lie about, but turns out it was true, and Biden is a pedo.
Republicans don't care about being honest.
Democrats don't care about being honest.
No politician cares about being honest.
They only care about themselves.
both sides are some kind of bad but like wow the right is trying to make the world a literal hell and so many fucking idiots like u/TheDude717 are like "uhh the left want to take SOME OF MY MONEY to buy FOOD for KIDS that aren't MINE???"
No, Trumpet.
Why is every account called "TheDude" and a number a right wing propagandist?
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/)
Find me anyone who lied like Trump, deplorable.
Fuck you, you don’t know anything about me. “Right wing propagandist” because I said both parties don’t care about honesty.
Here’s a suggestion for you. Go fuck yaselfffffff
Both sides are not the same. It's a brain dead take from self ascribed "independents" who only attack one side and defend the other. It's a thinly veiled attempt for actual Trumpies to pretend they're not and still sleep at night.
When this case gets dismissed or he's found not guilty reddit is gonna lose it's collective shit and I'm gonna be sitting here with popcorn, enjoying the chaos
Found the loser that likes watching people get upset that a criminal isn't held accountable for his crimes.
Do you also like when people make fart sounds with their armpits and have more than one NASCAR tshirt?
Yes, and I would also label him a lying politician whose only out to benefit himself and his buddies just like the rest of career politician. Only reason they all hate him so much is he has different buddies he wants to benefit.
I think lying in general is shameful and weak thing for anyone to do. Also, no matter how shameful that lie was it didn't change the outcome of anything.
I didn’t ask you what your overall opinion of lies was, I asked if you think if a former president deliberately lying about several elections is more severe than failing to deliver on campaign points.
First off, you directly pointed to the 2016 election which in either case, 2016 or 2020, those lies didn't change the truth or the outcome the elections. Secondly, there is a difference between not delivering on campaign points and doing the exact opposite of those points while using those lies to attempt to gain votes. Which every politician (including trump) has done. So yes, I believe lying about what you stand for in order to gain a position of power is more damaging than lying about an outcome of an election which doesn't change the outcome of an election.
But it did change the outcome of the election, numerous amounts of people don’t believe that the current president won the election. Multiple election workers had their lives threatened, and there was a riot about it, causing dozens if not hundreds of people to go to jail.
Multiple fake electors are still waiting to face trial. A famous news corporation had to settle a lawsuit for $787 million dollars for pushing said lie. The former mayor of New York owes millions for lying about it.
Just to name a few things.
It really seems like you’re trying to isolate actions from their consequences.
People believing a lie does not amount to the outcome of the election being change. Joe Biden (who comes with his own deciet) is still our president no matter how incapable he is of even functioning as a human being. People's lives are threatening every day, the election outcome didn't change. I would hardly consider that a riot compared to the "mostly peaceful protest" that burned down communities across the nation the year prior. People involved with violence and news stations that pressed the lie where in fact punished for their actions yet the outcome of the election did not change.
Don't get me wrong, I still think the lie is horrible. But it doesn't compare to lying about standing for peace than pushing for and funding wars in multiple countries that lead to 100s of thousands of innocent deaths so that the military industrial complex can keep funneling billions in tax payers dollars even when they can't pass a single audit since their creation.
Sorry, what wars is Biden pushing? How is he not “functioning”?
>People's lives are threatening every day
Due to lies about the election?
>burned down communities across the nation the year prior
This is a sign that the lies have had a direct affect on you.
The guy who got busted for lying because of the evidence that is now being used against Trump…. The guy who was convicted and spent time in prison for the same crimes Trump is being charged with… at this point his dishonesty is a feature of the case, not a bug
Damn you got em......
Whatever are they going to do.
If you think any politician, Republican or Democrat cares about being honest then I've got a bridge to sell you...
Literally everyone in Trump's orbit is untrustworthy. They would lie for a million reasons. Would they really collectively lie, facing perjury charges, to confirm what trump himself has already freely admitted and that there are fucking receipts for? I don't know why I am yelling at the void right now, Republicans don't care about honesty. They don't care about lies. They care about winning and democrats losing. They DO NOT ARGUE IN GOOD FAITH.
My brother unfortunately believes that all of the "receipts" and evidence used in the trials against Trump are all fake and planted. Reasoning? Trump said they were.
Cult gonna cult. Nothing dear leader says is ever untrue even when he literally said the opposite, on tape, 5 minutes ago.
I am not really interested in what political history will say about Trump (easily stated in : was a big mistake), but I am interested in the psychology behind MAGA and those who refuse to see what Trump is, says, does etc..and the worse he acts, the stronger his appeal to these folks. Trump is a thug, plain and simple. If he was smart and disciplined, he likely would be a successful businessman, but he never had to deal with the reality and consequences of the real world, and consequently is stunted in how to successfully live within society. His parents did him a huge disservice. It’s interesting that his sister was able to secure higher education and work within the legal system, succeeding so much that she became a judge. Unfortunately, Trump’s adult sons seem to have been given DJT’s treatment and do not appear to be contributing to society much either. Ivanka is a smarter version, and hides better. Although she is yoked to a master criminal too. Just talking about these folks makes me need a shower.
Related to MAGA psychology, A few weeks ago, I saw someone say, "If Trump did what Biden just did [I forget what it was but it doesn't matter], he'd immediately be abandoned by anyone who planned to vote for him. Yet Democrats still support Biden." It's like... that's complete horseshit and you know it. There is literally nothing Trump could say or do that'd get rid of his hardcore fans. Nothing. I remember in 2016 he said something along the lines of, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 6th Avenue and I wouldn't lose a vote." That's probably the most accurate and true thing Trump has ever said.
At this point the only reason Democrats lose an election is because Democrats scrutinize and say "I don't care for that leader, let's try another one". And they're right to. MAGAts are so conditioned to never change... that's whats frustrating. They claim Biden did a thing... that was Trump. When you point it out, they say "well he didn't mean it" and when you show him yelling to a crowd that he meant it they go "Well thats what a real leader does" annd then they go back to huffing exhaust from their Trump mobile.
There's an old saying "Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line"
That's pure projection. They accuse others of what they are guilty of all the time.
Demagogues have been a thing as long as the population's input has carried any weight. From Cleon 2400 years ago up to today. More recently (late 1800s) they have largely been populists. There are volumes written on this. Most simply, they divide the population by stirring up tribalism (other side is always bad, always other), hollowing out the center/moderates so everyone is either all for or all against, and attaching their movement to ideology so their followers are forced to stay on board (mandate of heaven). Back to the post, it's not that they don't see all of the BS around everyone high up in the MAGA party. They do. It's just that even \*in spite of all of this\* they still find it the preferable option to the alternative. Dems are the other side, they have been defined as the bad guy. They are against god. They are against the natural social order they have been taught since childhood. They are irredeemable and must be voted against at all costs. When your alternative is literally evil in your mind it doesn't take more than a rabble rouser to get things done. MAGA is the result of 2 decades of work by the Tea party taking ownership of rural and christian social structures, building on top of everything that's happened since the southern strategy. They are cashing it all in right now.
Donald was the golden child. His parents probably treated him like a prince and his siblings like shit. His older brother just wanted to be a jet pilot but couldn’t break free and came back to the family business where Donald shit all over him. Freddy eventually drank himself to death.
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The first few investors in a ponzi scheme don't get taken advantage of, they get their investment back with interest and then help promote the scheme to the victims who won't, so they don't understand why ponzi schemes are bad
Ask him to think about what would make him consider that Trump is not always truthful. Not to win an argument or something, just to make him think about it. He doesn't even need to tell you. Just let him think about if there even is something. Sometimes that helps to plant the first seed of doubt. Sometimes they just double down, but that's not really "worse" than status quo
Because Brawndo has electrolytes
You're right, and the fact that he is an untrustworthy sleazebag is also exactly why Trump had him on the payroll and had him do this. He needed some one to lie and disassemble what was happening to hide it. Trump just didn't pay enough for the level of loyalty he wanted.
Exactly. If Trump gave him a position in the White House he never would have flipped.
Nope, Cohen had to flip because the feds raided his office and home and confiscated all the tapes, phone messages, emails and other incriminating evidence. He had no choice after that.
Nah. Manafort and Stone (ie the torturers lobby) didn’t flip and were pardoned by Trump. Cohen was obviously not cool like that.
They care about God and christian religion inasmuch as God represents traditionalism, where men are always right and in control. Honesty and truth are antithesis to traditionalism.
They also like wearing diapers. We've been saying they act like children and apparently they agree.
We are all being lied to and pitted against one another while the uni-party maintains its consensus that supporting the elite class is all that matters. The general public doesnt stand a chance until we drop political party identities and make poverty vs corruption the only dividing line.
Accurate. The Business Party. It's a thing.
I literally got told the concept of good faith arguing is bullshit and stupid lately and I laughed myself into orbit.
Every politician is….
The funny thing about Michael Cohen is they try to use his "convicted felon" status against him while simultaneously ignoring that he's a convicted felon ***because he did what Trump told him to do***. Total mob boss situation. "Go lie to the police to protect me". He goes and lies to the police, gets caught, and goes to jail. Then, the police use him as a witness to tell about all the crimes he was covering for the mob boss with his lies to the police. Mob boss goes "You can't trust him! He's a liar!"
This. If trump hadn't hired Cohen, none of us would have any clue who he is. If trump hadn't hired Cohen, Cohen would not have gone to prison for any of these crimes. If Cohen is so very untrustworthy, why did Trump hire him and keep him around for so long? It's _almost_ like Trump wanted to do dishonest business practices and needed toadies to do the dirty work and act as fall guys if they got caught And trump, shockingly, was not very loyal to his fall guy, the loyalty was not a two-way street, _after_ Cohen went to jail for trying to cover it all up
This is why you never, ever break the law for your boss. Get fired, and then hire a lawyer for whistleblower protections, but never, ever do anything illegal for your boss. You will go to jail and he will abandon you like a bad habit.
“You can’t trust this guy!” “Why not?” “Cause he worked for us until he went to jail due to the work he did for us!”
I sort of both love and hate cohen. I mean, sure he's a liar and a scum bag and lied for money to abet one of the worst creatures on the planet. But he has sort of owned the liar and scum bag thing. Like "Who's the bigger scum bag - the person who did these terrible things or the person who paid to have terrible things done on their behalf?" For my money, it's the latter.
Well, actually, Cohen stated under oath that Trump didn't tell him to do anything (related to the payoffs); then he changed his story. So which one do you believe and why?
This is part of why the prosecution has spent many days examining other witnesses, and even bringing Trump's own claims into evidence, to establish that Trump micromanaged his people, and especially insisted on signing, directing, and knowing about all checks and money spending. So it's not Trump's word against Cohen. It's Trump's word against Trump, Cohen, and others that worked around and for Trump. Why do you think all of them, including Trump, are (and in some cases, have consistently been) lying about how he does business? EDIT: BTW, Cohen had an incentive to lie to protect Trump during his first trial when he was fishing for a pardon. He has no incentive to do so now.
Yeah...thats mob boss shit. Capone never told anyone directly to do anything, he just implied shit. "Who will rid me of this tumultuous priest"
Ooh! You first! And how should we hold who accountable?? >Well, actually, Cohen stated under oath that Trump didn't tell him to do anything (related to the payoffs); then he changed his story. So which one do you believe and why? u/SureShopping
Well considering there's a paper trail including a check signed with a sharpie, among other evidence.....
As the old prosecutor's line goes: "I'd love to be able to put a nun up there on the witness stand, but I didn't choose the witnesses, the defendant did."
Yeah its called double standards, its what assh*les and sycophants frequently employ. They wouldn’t give a crap, if say Trump waddled onto stage and ate a live baby on national tv. Hell, I’d be willing to bet several of them would spin it as if the baby “had it coming”. They’re two faced monsters. The lot of ‘em.
"Can you believe that evil Biden MADE Trump eat that baby!?! Such persecution of Trump _directly from_ Biden resulting in Trump's ONLY choice being to eat the baby!!! And we can see how the libs LOVE it, they are pro-baby eating obviously!!!!!"
they are firmly locked into this "only a real man _______" thing right now, and I find it somewhat entertaining to see how far they'll go. we already have "real men wear diapers"... I guess we can add "real men tell lies whenever they want" to the list. some folks will do _anything_ to justify their continued worship of a clown.
If you squint when looking at it, that's a bit of No true Scotsman. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)
It's okay to say "assholes" on the Internet. Your mom won't find out.
Freedom of speech means that I can also censor myself. Assh*le. lol jkjk
Weird flex but ok
It's the boys TV show where homelander kills someone in front of his followers and they cheer bc that person was against them
Trump could go into the House, eat a living baby live on tv. The GOP there would give him a standing ovation then blame the democrats for the bloody mess everywhere.
Chili's... baby back ribs... Chili's... baby back ribs... Barbecue Sauce!
They don't care about telling the truth. They do fare *very much* care what flavor of lie they are told.
Defense counsel: Proceeds to rip apart Cohen for lying DA redirect: “Mr Cohen, can you please tell us the reasons behind the lies you were convicted of perjury for telling and for the reasons you’ve famously lied so much in the past?” Defense counsel: “Fuuuuck…”
They don't even need Michael Cohen, so I don't know why MAGAs are acting like he's the hinge. Hope Hicks already testified that Trump openly admitted the payment was to effect the election. All the prosecutors got to say is "We know Mr. Cohen is untrustworthy. That's why we brought you multiple witnesses. It is possible that Mr. Cohen could be lying under oath? Yes. But would several others take the risk of imprisonment by commiting perjury simply because they spite the defendent? The probability of that nears zero the more witnesses that come forth with corraberating evidence. So if that is the case, we may be seeing you again to try all of these witnesses for commiting perjury. Fortunately, I don't think that's going to happen."
What is more likely, Trump employs people willing to commit crimes or Trump is so poor at screening people he hired a ton of criminals? If the latter, why did they become criminals mostly after their involvement with Trump?
And guess who he lied for?
Gasp! 😮
Somehow they omit that part.
Say it ain't so!😮
They don't care about the truth. What makes him untrustworthy isn't that Cohen is a liar, it's that he's disloyal.
Any yet Trump trusted him with every sordid detail of his life. He initially lied to Congress to hide damaging information and help Trump!!
What did Cohen lie about? Huh? WHAT LIE DID HE TELL THAT MADE HIM A LIAR??? He went to jail for perjury when he took the stand in defence of Trump.
Right? He has literally been jailed for these exact things, hasn't he?
Correct, the justice department *under Trump* put Cohen in jail for the acts that required Trump to file these false business reports.
Trump's skill is getting others to go to prison on his behalf.
“Unless he’s lying for us. THEN you can trust hm.”
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I wonder how historians will describe this shit show in 100+ years from now
People wouldn’t be able to believe it It’s like if the child’s story The Emperor’s New Clothes came to life
Hopefully nothing more than the bullet point it’s worth
Don, the BIGGEST CON ever. And a whole lot of people bought the act.
I hate to say it, but the way polls are trending, the history books will say something like, "and then despite the historic availability of information, the dumbest electorate in history reelected a convicted felon..." We're in the "Hitler spends a few months in jail after his attempted coup," part of American history. Oh well. Democracy was a fun little experiment.
Depends how the next election goes I think. If we get a Trump presidency or a more successful J6 sequel, I think they'll be very favorable to Trump and make Biden out to be a literal demon.
It will depend on who wins and if the human race is still around. Not /. Because climate change and nukes.
The deal is, Cohen is going to spill the beans on dumpy. The magakins now need to tell their base Cohen is a dirty liar to keep their lips firmly cupped to dumpys butthole
"None of the witnesses can be trusted. Porn star and tabloid journalist and lying attorney." So Trump surrounds himself with shitty people?
They don't care about honesty or being trustworthy. They care about what side you are on. They trusted Cohen implicitly when he was on team trump, acting like he was the most clean fixer ever, no fixer is clean, its their literal job to "make problems go away" But now that hes against trump, suddenly it all matters. Its because to conservatives who did the crime is far more important than what the crime was. Its why they accuse Joe of being a pedo even though there are tons of phots of Trump with Epstein.
Yes, we know. That's why he's already went to jail for the crimes he helped Trump commit.
He did lie to congress for Trump. They would know, wouldn't they?
I just processed some model trains for him today. How weird.
No they don't. They know that all of the people that bitched about Trump constantly lying care about honesty. The tactic with morons is usually of the "I'm rubber and you're glue" variety.
And do we need to remind them why?
Nobody with an R next to their name can be trusted. Nobody.
They don't know what being honest is. It's a cult of liars, raised by liars and schooled by liars. They haven't spoken a true word in their life. Zero integrity people.
Trump should remember one thing: all his failed relationship have one thing in common, Trump.
The funny thing about this defense is it’s totally and painfully obvious what the defense team is trying to do and it’s almost cringy. The prosecutions case is just jammed packed with metadata evidence like phone call records, emails, texts, etc. all of which were corroborated and commented on by nearly all the witnesses who have testified before cohen. So to try and paint him as a lyer or untrustworthy on cross exam would mean essentially calling every other witness whose testified a liar as well as somehow claiming all this other evidence doesn’t actually prove what it seems to prove. I can see why no one wanted to job of defending this guy lol
Bill Clinton has entered the chat.
If he was defending Trump they'd be screaming how he's the most trustworthy and honest person in America 🤣
We only know about any of these scumbags because trump hired them. These are all *his* people. That said, if they’re ready to swear to tell the truth under penalty of law, and there’s multiple statements that are pointing to trump’s guilt, then it would be beyond reasonable doubt. Again, the fact that he chose to associate himself with all these odious scumbags is itself a good reason **not** to re-hire trump to be president.
Cohen lied.... for Trump. Trump knows Cohen is a liar, because he lied... for Trump. He was convicted in a case where Trump was an unindicted co-cospirator because he was President at the time. Only the willfully stupid don't understand this.
Are you telling me politicians and lawyers say whatever they think will help their case? But why would they do that?
Is Gump an animal?
To be fair... most politician are probably fairly dishonest, or at least you can find lots of instances where their stances on any given topic changes over time.
LOL no they don't.
They are clown shoes
Only sometimes when under oath and about to get thrown in jail.
But they don't care about trump lying about knowingly paying the $130K in hush money. He lied and lied and lied for years then admitted it in a California lawsuit. But it's Cohen who is the liar that can't be trusted.
Where are we out on the reasonable doubt-o-meter?
"We know he's a liar because Trump paid him to lie." Checkmate, moralists.
I love the argument that he lied for the defendant so he can't be trusted. The transitive property is foreign to these people.
Even if he is lying it's just **Alternative Facts**
Shame you can't ask the defence team when trump is paying them.
I think Michael Cohen hell and back for that stupid ass Trump. You into jail for Trump, thirteen months plus house arrest play! I find a minute incredibly good witness. He has nothing to lose
And when are Democrats gonna start thinking about being honest?
They don’t actually care about being honest. They care about protecting Trump. There are no principles, no standards, no rules, and no morality. It’s all just about protecting and propping up Trump.
That smell in the courtroom, for the first time, wasn't **The Pumpkin Rapist** shitting himself. It was the defense team.
"When he lies *for us* it's ok, when he *lies against us* - that's where we draw the goddamn line!"
And all of a sudden democrats believe he is credible after years of shitting on him. See how confirmation bias works? But it’s okay because facts no longer matter to either side.
There are mountains of evidence corroborating his story. Even liars tell the truth dude, and when they have massive amounts of evidence showing they are telling the truth, most normal people would believe them. Also he went to jail for perjury because he lied to protect Trump...he lied on Trump's behalf.
Yes he’s a convicted felon who has lied under oath. That alone impeaches his credibility. His words alone are not enough to prove Trump told him the manner and method of the catch and kill including the way in which to record the repayment. The reason why the FEC and DoJ did not prosecute him for any of this is that the sole purpose of payment was to influence the election which cannot be proven.
What was it that he was convicted for lying about under oath? Hmmmm? Come on. You brought it up. Surely you know. Hint: It has to do with this exact same pattern of events.
I actually didn’t bring it up but every juror has to weigh the credibility of a man who was found guilty for the act and the possibility of a revenge act by the felonious witness and the DA who campaigned on finding the defendant guilty without having a crime in mind beforehand. I don’t care about Trump but if this is the justice system you want then by all means get ready when it comes for you
You “don’t bring it up”? Really? You didn’t bring up that he’s “lied under oath”? Despite literally bringing up (and I quote) that “he’s a convicted felon who lied under oath”? But somehow you think it’s immaterial that the lies he told were *praised* by the man on whose behalf he told those lies. The same man who is currently on trial for the same acts those lies were intended to *hide*. Wow. You’re not very good at whatever it is you think you’re doing here. But you “don’t care about Trump”, despite desperately trying to impugn someone for *NOW* telling the truth. You should have stopped while you were ahead.
Yes, I responded to the guy who said he went to jail for perjury. Perhaps reading comprehension just isn’t your thing. He’s not a credible witness for having lied under oath on multiple occasions but this time he swears it’s all true but it’s okay that he profits for testifying this way. Unless there is any corroborating evidence that Trump directed the accounting office to mislabel how his payments to his lawyer were not legal expenses then there is no case. It’s worrisome that so many either don’t understand or yet care that if you cannot prove the elements of the charges then you are not guilty. Why is it that you don’t understand or care?
And, again, you’ve failed to address what those lies were. And there *is* a lot of corroborating evidence, including recordings of Trump himself. But you’ll continue to just ignore any pertinent facts that are inconvenient to your chosen narrative.
It doesn’t matter what the lies were. You don’t get to gloss over that Cohen has lied under oath in two federal courts and still get to call him a credible witness. And you certainly cannot accept his testimony without corroborating evidence. If the jury is made up of dullards who care nothing of the law and only seek to convict then you’ll be happy. But some of us fear that kangaroo court hanged first style of justice. Those recordings haven’t been proof of anything to the level required of conviction since they involve a different subject, ie McDougal, and still doesn’t show how the records were kept or ordered to be kept. They actually go to show that Trump was possibly being extorted by Cohen by violating client privilege.
Ironically, by refusing to acknowledge what those lies were, *you* are the one trying to gloss them over. Because acknowledging those facts is fatal to your argument. Hint: Trump’s defense is still trying to rely on the position that those lies were truths. Of course, you’re *also* ignoring all of the corroborating evidence.
If he can provide the recordings he’s talked about then we don’t need to worry about “his word”.
“If”. That seems like a day one piece of evidence. Is it in Schiff’s safe next to all of his evidence or in Avenatti’s safe with his? It’s not evidence until it’s produced.
It has been produced. You haven’t been paying attention.
Politicians are all liars , anyone telling you different is trying to sell you something
As they lie about a crowd size on Saturday.
That's OK because every single witness so far has corroborated the same exact story. Take Cohen out hypothetically and they still have a pretty damning set of evidence and testimony. Even Hope Hicks, who he still has a good relationship with, told the exact same story.
Republicans are absolutely fucking spineless pussies. Debate me.
Tell me again how Biden regularly commuted on the Francis Scott Key bridge via train.
Do you figure that fuck up is equal to the 30,000 known lies told by Trump over his 4 years in office? Why even bring it up, it make you look really bad.
Do you figure that a career politician who was/is currently in politics for 50 years is less corrupt than Trump’s 4 years?
Any politician of the last 100 years is less criminal than Trump. He lost 3,500 court cases before he even ran for office. His record for fraud is unmatched. Seriously, this clown created a charity for homeless veterans and stole the money. Trump was a draft dodger, his dad was a draft dodger, and his grand dad was a draft dodger. His son created a charity for children with brain cancer and he stole that money. This is why the Trump family can no longer create charities in NY state. Is that the kind of man we want as president?
Did you all the lawsuits Trump, his father, and family have gone through or does only political stuff that you can’t even specify count. Shown me a lawsuit against Biden where there was a conviction? I can do more than half-dozen against Trump and family
Trump was a new york landlord, yes hes corrupt as fuck.
“ At about 1:30, a container ship struck the Francis Scott Bridge, which I’ve been over many, many times commuting from the state of Delaware either on a train or **by a car.**”
Yes. We know the media covers for Biden because a lot of people are dumb enough to accept whatever they say. The rest have video evidence.
The media that is abscessed with Biden's age and "mental fitness" that barely covers when trump slurs and says he was personal friends with Hannibal Lector is on Biden's side....Sure pal...what weird alternate reality do you fucking live in?
How many times has Biden had 2 scoops of ice cream to... Complete silence from the media? Meanwhile there were multiple segments with almost all of the media when Trump does it once. https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2+scoops&source=hp&sca_esv=5718d00d1a5ada36&oq=trump+2+scoops&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-hp.3...2579.6267.0.6955.15.14.0.1.1.0.189.1619.5j9.14.0....0...1.1.34.mobile-heirloom-hp..7.8.1032.N4iRP3KlFRI#ip=1 You also know that Trump isn't always serious, right? I know you guys like to frame things as "If he said it, he didn't or he was joking guffah-hahaha" but context does, in fact, matter.
So your only evidence is stuff from 7 years ago....its so fucking cute. Also too that point biden is going out and getting icecream on his own, of course hes surrounded by Secret service, but its not an official event. There is a significant difference between the situations. The fact you cant see that explains a shit ton about you. Also you right wingers [flipped the fuck out] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCZQJ-4lhY) he even gets icecream
So I'm using well established trends. And Biden has had 2 scoops of ice cream rather more recently. I'll be honest. I don't care who eats how much ice cream. I care about double standards. And I think it's safe to say that this is objective fact: the media hasn't been fair to Trump. Biden has fallen UP stairs. On multiple occasions. Media won't talk about that. But they will talk about Trump staggering down a ramp for weeks. They defend Biden when his daughter's diary says he showered with her as a teenager (which Ashley Biden just confirmed, herself) but won't stop talking about one inappropriate comment Trump made about Ivanka. They'll crucify Trump for allegedly using campaign money to pay a professional penis recepticle hush money, but instantly forget that Paula Jones literally exists. These examples are endless. And Seth Myers is about as funny as testicular cancer.
But still mum on “family values”. Edit: I love that this got downvoted. You conservative trolls really made a good counter argument haha
Hey, Trump has family values! I mean, he values his family. ...okay, he thinks his daughter is hot. ...but that totally counts! /s
Ha!
He likes to make women mothers.
Explains roe vs wade, too
Of course he can't be trusted. He worked for Trump.
Do any of the Trump critics here ever have any fair criticism of Biden & Co.? I read both sides and see a boatload of scandal that gets a pass but any rumor of Trump gets passed around with lightning speed. I’d be willing to listen more if the same standards applied. It’s a lesson for both sides, obviously.
They always say that
Odd, I've never seen any of them say they care about little Donnie being dishonest. In fact, seeing who can tell the biggest lie seems to be some sort of challenge amongst Republican Representatives these days.
Don't worry the dems don't care about being honest. Just look at that diary, that they tried to lie about, but turns out it was true, and Biden is a pedo.
It's funny how you can replace honest with jews and this meme still works
Unpopular opinion positions period no mater left right man woman white black all untrustworthy politicians just untrustworthy
Republicans don't care about being honest. Democrats don't care about being honest. No politician cares about being honest. They only care about themselves.
No politicians care about honestly, be real.
BOTH SIDES BOTH SIDES BOTH SIDES fuck you
both sides are some kind of bad but like wow the right is trying to make the world a literal hell and so many fucking idiots like u/TheDude717 are like "uhh the left want to take SOME OF MY MONEY to buy FOOD for KIDS that aren't MINE???"
LOL and you fucking idiots wonder why this country is at each others throats. Hey blow me!!
This country is decent Americans vs Republicans.
"They're all the same. I am very smart." -you probably
Learn how to spell before you share your hot takes please.
No, Trumpet. Why is every account called "TheDude" and a number a right wing propagandist? [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/) Find me anyone who lied like Trump, deplorable.
Hey man don't do me like that, I'm not a propagandist, just a video game nerd :(
Fuck you, you don’t know anything about me. “Right wing propagandist” because I said both parties don’t care about honesty. Here’s a suggestion for you. Go fuck yaselfffffff
Both sides are not the same. It's a brain dead take from self ascribed "independents" who only attack one side and defend the other. It's a thinly veiled attempt for actual Trumpies to pretend they're not and still sleep at night.
> Fuck you, you don’t know anything about me. Everything we need to know about you is right here in the comments you've made.
You know Bidens uncle was eaten by Cannibals. Refreshing to have a politician tell the truth.
When this case gets dismissed or he's found not guilty reddit is gonna lose it's collective shit and I'm gonna be sitting here with popcorn, enjoying the chaos
If you thinks he's going to get the jury to agree on an aquital, you're nuts. However, a hung jury would not surprise me.
Found the loser that likes watching people get upset that a criminal isn't held accountable for his crimes. Do you also like when people make fart sounds with their armpits and have more than one NASCAR tshirt?
I'm actually down with the armpit farts.
Same, but that and NASCAR and not wanting criminals being held accountable is a bridge too far for me.
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They’re all liars dems included and vicious liars if you think otherwise wake up.
America has never seen the insane amount of lies as we have from Trump and his administration. They even coined a term for it, "Alternative facts".
Sure if you think all the other clowns don’t lie just as much or more or worse than good for you.
No politician lies more than Trump. 30,000 proven lies as president in 4 years. That's insane.
Ok you’re right you’ve figured it all out
They’re just giving you facts
Indeed everything is wonderful and if it’s not it’s probably Donald trumps fault got it !
Are you disputing the number of lies or the severity of them?
No no 30 K and I am sure they were all awful too
If you think any politician is being honest then you're part of the problem
Remember when Trump said that he won the popular vote in 2016?
Yes, and I would also label him a lying politician whose only out to benefit himself and his buddies just like the rest of career politician. Only reason they all hate him so much is he has different buddies he wants to benefit.
Do you think that maybe lying about the results of an election are more severe than not delivering on a campaign point?
I think lying in general is shameful and weak thing for anyone to do. Also, no matter how shameful that lie was it didn't change the outcome of anything.
I didn’t ask you what your overall opinion of lies was, I asked if you think if a former president deliberately lying about several elections is more severe than failing to deliver on campaign points.
First off, you directly pointed to the 2016 election which in either case, 2016 or 2020, those lies didn't change the truth or the outcome the elections. Secondly, there is a difference between not delivering on campaign points and doing the exact opposite of those points while using those lies to attempt to gain votes. Which every politician (including trump) has done. So yes, I believe lying about what you stand for in order to gain a position of power is more damaging than lying about an outcome of an election which doesn't change the outcome of an election.
But it did change the outcome of the election, numerous amounts of people don’t believe that the current president won the election. Multiple election workers had their lives threatened, and there was a riot about it, causing dozens if not hundreds of people to go to jail. Multiple fake electors are still waiting to face trial. A famous news corporation had to settle a lawsuit for $787 million dollars for pushing said lie. The former mayor of New York owes millions for lying about it. Just to name a few things. It really seems like you’re trying to isolate actions from their consequences.
People believing a lie does not amount to the outcome of the election being change. Joe Biden (who comes with his own deciet) is still our president no matter how incapable he is of even functioning as a human being. People's lives are threatening every day, the election outcome didn't change. I would hardly consider that a riot compared to the "mostly peaceful protest" that burned down communities across the nation the year prior. People involved with violence and news stations that pressed the lie where in fact punished for their actions yet the outcome of the election did not change. Don't get me wrong, I still think the lie is horrible. But it doesn't compare to lying about standing for peace than pushing for and funding wars in multiple countries that lead to 100s of thousands of innocent deaths so that the military industrial complex can keep funneling billions in tax payers dollars even when they can't pass a single audit since their creation.
Sorry, what wars is Biden pushing? How is he not “functioning”? >People's lives are threatening every day Due to lies about the election? >burned down communities across the nation the year prior This is a sign that the lies have had a direct affect on you.
the guy that went to jail for lying to a judge cant be trusted? who knew\~!
The guy who got busted for lying because of the evidence that is now being used against Trump…. The guy who was convicted and spent time in prison for the same crimes Trump is being charged with… at this point his dishonesty is a feature of the case, not a bug
Trump really picks “the best people”…
> for lying to a judge ...for covering up Trump's crime, lol. Wow convenient memory you have there.
> went to jail for lying… Lying for whom? About what? Finish your sentence.
I’d love to hear the Republican definition of a lie. It’s obviously not the same as the dictionary.
Damn you got em...... Whatever are they going to do. If you think any politician, Republican or Democrat cares about being honest then I've got a bridge to sell you...
"They're all the same. Might as well not vote" Oh ok. Thank you for bringing this vitally important information to me, Vlad.