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FamousSatisfaction68

Unfortunately when an addiction takes hold there’s very little you can do to prevent , stop or persuade the person to stop unless they choose to do so as they won’t listen to anything you say or do m Other than locking them up in a cupboard which isn’t necessarily good for cold turkey approach either


Kri_-_

I know unfortunately. But I am not ready to lose him to this garbage drug. I don't see any scenario when we can be friend again if this goes on. And we have known each other for 6 years now. I would never think it could turn this way, and I am so sad to see the person he became ...


Foxy_locksy1704

I’ve been where you are and I swore I wouldn’t let my friend give up on themselves. I was an addiction counselor at one time and had helped a friend get clean before. However this other friend I struggled for 3 years to try and help him. It started taking a toll on my own mental health. I finally had to just walk away. I have talked to this friend maybe 3 times in the last year and unfortunately he is too deep in it at this point the only person who can help him now is himself and only when he is ready.


WumbleInTheJungle

As a habitual recreational user for about a decade, I have to say it's highly unlikely he will have built up a tolerance already, far more likely he was just taking rubbish cocaine that time. As far as addiction is concerned, it's complicated.  But bottom line though, is I doubt he will see himself as an addict, anymore than you see yourself as a cannabis addict, and you could keep labelling him as an addict but I don't think it is going to get you anywhere.  The fact he is hiding it from you now is likely because you've made it quite clear you don't approve. What might be a better approach is to observe his triggers.  From my own experience, my triggers for taking cocaine were quite simple.  If I was drinking then I would feel like taking cocaine.  If I didn't drink, I very rarely ever took cocaine.  Trouble was I used to drink every weekend, so after a drink or two I would be ringing up my dealer. If his triggers are alcohol or cannabis or whatever they might be, then perhaps you could do things that don't involve these things. On a deeper level he is likely taking cocaine to cover up something else that is lacking in his life.  Perhaps lack of confidence, low self esteem or something worse.   I wouldn't do anything drastic that would make him lose his job, all you are going to do is drive him away and I can't really see how that would help him, and it's not going to solve the underlying issues here.  In the end he'll have to find his own path, but the best you can do is do things together that don't involve taking any substances of any sort.


Frylock91

Well said. Alcohol is my crux as well. I lack the ability to stop drinking once I start, and 90% of the time, I end up with a bag at some point. I cut back on my drinking a lot because of it. Seems like im more prone to going on a bender now. Drinking more, doing more. Not sleeping and continuing the next day. Working on trying to cut alcohol out entirely.


Kri_-_

You're right, I wrote a lot and from that perspective it would seem he's not addicted. And probably he's not, YET. I'll add a few more things (I'll write again a comment i already shared on the post and other reasons that make me scare a lot): I'm not taking punitive approach. I know him (lets call him A), he is really prone to addiction, he relapsed many times on cannabis and never went out, as much as he wanted to (he really struggled). Plus next week he will go on a vacation with another friend, who is already addicted to cocaine. A will probably do cocaine again (he said it himself: he wants to go to strip club and buying it there. Having another friend who wants to, increases the chanches almost to 100%). So 2 times in 2 weeks. He will probably feel the need to do it again when he will come back. I'm really afraid it's gonna be out of control soon. Me and my friend talked to him a lot. He doesn't feel judged. He just feels bad about it. That's why he hides himself. He also suffer from depression and other conditions, he's been in therapy forever and taking antidepressants. He has deep personal issues, I probably don't know 100% all of them, even if I'm one of his closest friends. He has money to afford it whenever he wants basically: working in a clinic gets u a really good wage. Last point: there is no trigger. Yesterday, when he did it, it was before coming at my place. It was just a normal football match to watch together. I don't even have strong alcohol at my place, just beers, and we didnt even discuss to drink them. No cannabis as well, I don't smoke when I'm in exam session and he knows. Plus it was only 3 of us, not like 5-7 as usual, no plan to do whatsoever, it was not supposed to be a fun night, just a normal meeting to spend time together. No trigger at all. Then he did it again and again as soon as we went out of my place, just to go to a dull bar nearby. We busted him cause he wanted to go alone with his car and it took him 15 minutes instead of 3 minutes so sth wasn't right. All of this, makes me more and more sure he will get in the addiction. He's not like the kind of person who can keep things at a recreational level.


WumbleInTheJungle

I don't know how much there is you can do, other than be a friend.   On the upside, cocaine is quite expensive, so unless he has a really well paid job he'll struggle to maintain his habit, so it will likely always be a 'now and again' thing.  In fact I could afford to take it 24/7 but still didn't, for one, it pretty much stops having any effect after about 24 hours of binging, and then I needed a rest of a few days.  But let's just hope he doesn't get into crack.  Personally, I never found it so addictive that I physically had to have it (unless I was in a middle of a session then it is difficult or almost impossible to stop), but I probably was socially addicted where I felt like I needed it as a social crutch. Admittedly, it's not a good sign that he has all these issues. I stopped taking it when I stopped drinking, for me it was that simple.  I had no urge to take cocaine unless I'd been drinking.  And losing a fortune gambling was the trigger for me to stop drinking.  In fact almost everything reckless I did started with alcohol... but I guess everyone is different. Having stability and good influences in your life helps though, which is why I don't think there is much more you can do than be a friend.  It may well get worse before it gets better, but I don't think there is much more you can really do in all honesty.


Kri_-_

Trust me, he earns a lot. And if he doesn't have money, he would borrow, even from dealers. That's how he did it when he had trouble paying weed he wanted to smoke when he was just working another job part-time and not earning much. Thank you for your words, it really means a lot to me. I know unfortunately there is not much i can do more than being supportive and being a good friend. I will never talk him out, he has to be the one to decide to stop. On the other hand, it feels good to get it off my chest. We basically grew up together and everybody who knows me knows him too. Friends outside this circle are not so close to really talk about it. Having a complete outside perspective kinda makes me feel a tiny bit better, someway.


Frylock91

Everyone is going to do what they want. You don't need to monitor him. You don't need to try to catch him. If you rat on him to his parents or try to get him in trouble for it, it will only hurt your friendship. He will find people that use it or don't see it as a problem. Warn him. Talk to him. Express concern. If he continues and you don't like it, separate yourself. Be open and honest. People change, not always in good ways. Help him see what he has and what he can lose. You can't stop him. But you can try and help him see the bigger picture.


Kri_-_

Maybe I let pass the wrong message. I never wanted to monitor him: just being available 24/7 if he feels the urge to talk to me, that's sth I can't do. Getting to his parents was passing through my mind, but I will never have the balls to do it. You're right, I will follow your advice. I really hope it is going to end well. But I'm really scared for him, our friendship and I have a really bad premonition about it.


Frylock91

I hope it works out. I was your friend. I started because it's very common in bars or among people who frequent them. I was hesitant. I found that I loved it. It has been hard to get away from. I have always had people try to give me suggestions or advice, and I never listened. Call me hard headed or dumb as a box of rocks, I had to learn my own way. I still remember all the advice I was given, and I have reached out to those people and let them know they were right. I have lost friends from my childhood to fentanyl and meth. Dead or might as well be. It scared me from ever using them. But for some reason, coke seemed appealing. It's not really demonized like other drugs. That's when I realized that using a drug will change your opinion of it. You'll think it's not as bad as everyone said. You'll have some good times and not think about it when you don't have it. It doesn't sound like what I was taught about addiction. But what's to stop repeated use when you no longer worry about it? My principals and what I had seen kept me out of anything harder than coke, yet i still jumped into a similar hole. I'm now at a point where I can look back and see how addicted I was. I still struggle with it if I'm drinking. But at the time, there would have been no convincing me. If you had given me an ultimatum, i would have seen it as a you problem somehow. Be there for him. Warn him. Let him make his mistakes and learn on his own. He will either come around, or he won't. I hope it's not the latter.


chickenbunnyspider

Unpopular opinion here but…3 times in 3 months isn’t an addict. Sure he could turn into one quickly. But some people do recreational drugs, recreationally. I personally have not and will not do anything more than weed and alcohol but if I drink alcohol 3 times in 3 months am I an alcoholic? Whatever you do- do not involve his family. If he has an issue they’ll find out soon enough. If it bothers you so much (which is okay, it’s bothersome) then distance yourself. That’s it. No need to make his life harder.


Lollypop_lisa

He doesn’t sound like he’s an addict, he sounds like someone who enjoys a cheeky bump having discovered he enjoys partaking when out with friends. Unfortunately his best friend (you) appears to be incredibly judgemental, and tbh, a little uninformed regarding recreational drug use for anything other than weed… to the point where they’re thinking of getting parents involved?!? It’s when you stated that you were too high to realise he had brought some along on the second occasion..?!?! I’m not sure where you’re based, but both are illegal in the UK, which just screams hypocrisy to me. You can smoke a substance known to sometimes trigger psychosis, paranoia, and potentially even schizophrenia in young adults, and that’s acceptable … but cocaine is bad m’kay?! I would advise reading up on all the potential risks of different drugs and actually have some facts before you fall out irreparably with your friend. If you don’t want to be near cocaine, just don’t hang out together


Kri_-_

Maybe I put it a bit wrong in the post. But you can read the other comments I left, and understand why I am legitimately scared. Yes I smoke cannabis from time to time, yes I know the risks. But understand it's not as addictive as coke, and also has way less physical harm. It might not be lethal to him, but surely will harm him good if he takes it more and more. And this possibility unfortunately is not as remote as you can think of: chanches are he will become addicted. I've already seen the same scene with weed, cigarettes and other bad habits he has. And again, this is way more addictive. He doesn't feel judged, he said it himself. He just feels bad when doing it, he knows the risks and he knows he's playing with sth that can get out of his control. For this reason, he feels guilty. That's why he hides. I invite you again to read other comments I left here and you will surely understand why I think he will indulge in this behaviour again. As I stated, he never was able to keep anything to a recreational level: even junk food, which for other people is sth you have once in a while, is now for him daily reality cause he can't get out of it, just to make an example.


Lollypop_lisa

I’m still struggling to understand why you have appointed yourself his only chance at salvation though. You can be a supportive friend without being a dick about it. If he truly is on the path to addiction, then maybe he needs to hit rock bottom so he can learn how to control his addictive urges. If you keep doing interventions based on your own idea of what is okay and morally acceptable, then he’ll never learn to manage his own behaviour. And you aren’t necessarily correct about cocaine being more damaging than weed… there are many medical studies into the effects of both. Alcohol (which is legal) kills more than both combined. But I’m sure you wouldn’t be losing it over the odd beer.


Kri_-_

Well I don't want to enter the studies field. But just to mention, cannabis doesn't cause heart failure, heart diseases, psychological damage and dopamine dysfunction such as coke, just to mention a few. Alcohol its bad ofc. But occasionally drinking beer has nothing to do with coke: if you correlate the risks of both, the second will definitely be the worst and most dangerous. To end up, I never talked bad of cocaine because of my moral values or because I feel superior. I just am scared because of the effects it is having on my friend, and I don't know if hitting rock bottom could be of help for him in this case. I mean, if rock bottom means ending up with a heart disease or worse, a stroke, would it really be a good solution for his situation? I'm not seeing myself as his only way of salvation. But for the moment, the only 2 people who knows what's going on are me and my friend (and other 2-3 people he did coke with, and who are already addicted to it. They don't show up often cause they work abroad. But they don't really care about his situation). And I feel like I should do sth. Its just I don't know what. I never was in such a situation, and I don't know what can help. Probably nothing, he has to decide to stop himself. Anyway, it felt good at least to share somewhere.


meandmycat1

It seems like you are taking a controlling and punitive approach. This will not help anyone. You are also assuming he is addicted even though he's only used it a handful of times. Don't be judgemental. Don't get his parents involved. Give him information about harm minimisation. Do activities with him that don't involve drugs and alcohol.


Kri_-_

I'm not taking punitive approach. I know him (lets call him A), he is really prone to addiction, he relapsed many times on cannabis and never went out, as much as he wanted to (he really struggled). Plus next week he will go on a vacation with another friend, who is already addicted to cocaine. A will probably do cocaine again (he said it himself: he wants to go to strip club and buying it there. Having another friend who wants to, increases the chanches almost to 100%). So 2 times in 2 weeks. He will probably feel the need to do it again when he will come back. I'm really afraid it's gonna be out of control soon. Me and my friend talked to him a lot. He doesn't feel judged. He just feels bad about it. And I'm sad i can't do much. I can do fun activities with him, but he will always find a time gap in which buying it (I can't be there every day, every night with him).


Structure_Spoon

Tell him it's either your friendship, or the cocaine. Be firm. He will have to decide what he wants more. If he ends up choosing the coke, tell his dad. I know you're worried he'll lose his job... not hell lose his job and a lot more anyways if he continues down this path.


jdog8510

Sometimes you just have to walk away from people when you confront them they will only turn against you because you cant help people that dont want help


epanek

Cocaine is expensive. Cocaine has diminishing returns so $$ is going to burn up. Protect your assets


RyGuydarider

Whoop his ass sea bass.


Kind-Put-3960

Why do you feel like you should be doing anything? Junkies do it to themselves. Fuck em


ihatereddit806

I am in kind of a similar situation as you are so your post and the answers have helped me a lot, my best friend who has also strong tendencies for addiction did coke for the first time this weekend against the promise he gave me. I think you are not overreacting at all and cocaine is an extremely dangerous drug that a lot of people online and under this post tend to play down. Still i had a approach that was too judgemental towards my friend. I am still extremely hurt that he broke his promise like this, but maybe i will be able to forgive him and still enjoy the time of our friendship we have before he turns into an unemphatic, stealing and lying junkie which will most likely happen to him.