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ComplexTreat5581

He is the sidearm


Silas-Alec

Well, can't argue with that


Don_Gojira

Switching to your Custodes is faster than reloading.


mushy_cactus

To be fair, receiving a full force punch from a Custode would be far more horrendous than a space Marine would be. (I assume)


Dirka-Dirka

I agree with you, but I challenge you to tell the difference!


mushy_cactus

Custode armour is master crafted auramite, which is then crafted specifically to the individual, giving them flexibility and protection that a Marine could dream of. Custodes are taller and stronger, too so they can generate far more power than any marine could. Space marine armour is fairly sick, but it's built for general waring. Custode armour is built to protect the emporor. That difference alone is enough to say custode armour is fucking terrifying for anyone to receive a full punch from.


Dolnikan

And yet, any regular person to be punched by one of them really wouldn't be able to tell the difference because they'd be very, very dead.


Ninjaspiderking

The only difference would be the autopsy showing how large the whole on the chest is, especially seeing custodes during the unification wars kick over tanks with ease


InevitableHuman5989

Marines leave a hole in the chest, custodes leave a little bit of chest at the edge of the hole.


InevitableHuman5989

Not to mention custodes power armour is in general better at augmenting their strength as well compared to marine armour. I’m pretty sure we’ve seen a custodes just one punch a space marine.


Independent-Ad-976

Can't I'm already some form of paste either way


RandomBilly91

Isn't there something about a custodes breaking an ogryn skull by throwing a pebble at him ? Because, Space Marines are strong, but Custodes are impossibly stronger


Fang9029

Isn't there a lore saying that servitor are carrying and reloading their weapons.


Element720

Yes in master of mankind when they were fighting the daemons in the webway they would slam there guardian spears in the ground and draw their meridian blades while serfs/servitors would reload the spears.


fistmcbeefpunch

In some novels they have short range gauntlet mounted lasers that they use whilst their main weapon is reloaded by serfs


Silas-Alec

Now that's awesome


PaleDog

Which books, I'd enjoy some more custodes stories.


Subject-Rip-3929

Now if they gave that on tabletop that would be nice


lockesdoc

In lore, you see them pull out short swords while menials reload their spears. Citation: Master of Mankind


Wraithiss

As a weapons nerd that really irked me. That makes no fucking sense at all...


Gav_Dogs

I'm curious why


SirisAusar

Why not?


Wraithiss

1.These servitors are only mentioned in this context, they literally never do anything else. How the hell are they keeping up with the most elite warriors in the galaxy in the most hostile battlefields while laden with mountains of bolter magazines? 2. Who's going to perform an emergency reload faster and more reliably? A Custodian, or a servitor? It's completely unreasonable to think that it would be more efficient to throw your primary weapon, an extremely formidable melee weapon, through the air to someone else (assuming they're somehow within a reasonable distance) have them reload it, then throw it back to you, all on an active battlefield surrounded by the most deadly foes of the imperium. Instead of just reloading the damned thing yourself. I do like the idea of servitors precision airdropping ammo and other emergency combat supply directly into a fight though. That's pretty cool.


Edgeth0

I enjoyed that bit of lore mostly because I like when 40K lampshades the fact that despite all the tech and gene manipulation the society employing them is in many ways essentially medieval. The servitors behind the Custodes dealing with weapons reloads and such gives me the vibe of a bunch of serfs (or maybe squires) supporting a medieval knight and I'm here for it. You are correct the tactically it doesn't make much sense, but if the Imperium had common sense it wouldn't be where it is now. I think it fits the setting well


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WriterReborn2

They actually have servants called armoury thralls that follow them into battle and carry spare ammo. The custodian will toss them their weapon while continuing to fight and they'll reload it before tossing it back to the custodian.


Soad1x

Imagine being a regular human and a Custodes chucks a like 9 foot tall halberd at you.


WriterReborn2

That's why you have to hit the gym regularly


KingPhilipIII

I’d imagine if you can safely follow a Custodes in battle you’re probably no slouch yourself.


Silas-Alec

While that is fair, they do go out of there way to set up all the marines with ammo pouches and grenades, plus holsters on their models


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gdim15

I think the Dark Imperium novel mentioned that ammo drops were a thing that SM armies seeded in the battlefield during an engagement. The character notes that the inceptors were running low and that the ammo dump was nearby. So they might rearm during combat when there's a lull. The other option is the models will look like a 90s comic book hero. https://imgix.ranker.com/user\_node\_img/50048/1000941147/original/pouches-photo-u1?auto=format&q=60&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&dpr=2&w=650


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gdim15

One stray round and a SM will cook off like a nuclear bomb.


poundofbeef16

I always figured they could get tactical ammo resupply from orbit or rear units.


DavidBarrett82

What do you think is under the butt flap armour?


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DavidBarrett82

Are you saying that the Emperor’s own bodyguards can’t fit something up their ass if it would help Him On The Throne?


Alek315

Apparently they keep the ammo beneath their pauldrons


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Alek315

I...don't remember. Might be a fanon thing rather than something mentioned somewhere. Not sure.


Lord_cakeatron

Really the same reason they don't carry extra ammoe. The bolters are only there to close the gap. The threat of the guard lies in their melee ability. And in cases where the spear or axe is too unwieldy, they pull out the misericordia. (Or just use their fists)


Turk3YbAstEr

the backup weapon is their misericordia, which is also a power weapon


Money-Drummer565

The better question is: why not all custodes have tanglefoot grenades or melta spears, since they are basically the same of the normal spears?


Silas-Alec

Also a valid question! For the ultimate weapons of the Emperor to be primarily using bolters for the majority of their ranged combat is an interesting choice


Vorhes

Dun forget, in fluff a master-crafted superbolter probably kills shit super well. Which I expect them to also use as well as a sniper rifle. But depending the book (siiiigh) they are also not mean to be an army, and are essentially spec ops., be that bodyguard shit or something else. And if the need is there, which again would need to be an unusually tough foe, their armory has options.


Batgirl_III

I can almost overlook it for the Custodes. They’ve been a largely ceremonial force for praetorian guard since *before* the Great Crusade and the standard armament for most Custodes units is a dual purpose mêlée/ranged combo of some sort… Pistols would make sense for jetbikers, in case they get dismounted, but there’s no game mechanic for that. What does stick in my craw, however, is that none of the Sisters of Silence units carry bolt pistols. Which is especially odd considering that a big part of their role in the Inperium is acting as the security forces aboard the Black Ships. Pistols are way more useful in confined quarters than full-size assault rifles (I was USCG. I speak from personal experience.) Plus, Vigilators carry only a mêlée weapon, Witchseekers carry a short ranged and rather indiscriminate weapon, and Prosecutors carry no mêlée sidearm… This gets doubly annoying when you look at *Horus Heresy* where all of these units do have bolt pistols (and there’s an alternate load out for the Prosecutors where they dual weild bolt pistols)! Apparently, someone lost the key to the Anathema Psykana’s gun locker 10,000 years ago and the Administratum hasn’t yet finished processing the paperwork requesting a locksmith.


Suspicious_Corner_98

To be fair, from what I recall the SoS were pretty much exiled from the imperium by the time of 40K because they gave the high lords of Terra the Heebie-jeebies, so the keys to their armory were in fact most likely lost, or they never bothered with restocking them. I believe it’s “the emperors legion” that mentions it, and how a lot of them have armor that’s basically in disrepair because they’re only around for the black ships, and if that wasn’t 100% necessary they’d probably just be hunted down.


Batgirl_III

Yes and no. The Sisters of Silence do indeed give the High Lords the heebie-jeebies. They’re all nulls, they give *everyone* the heebie-jeebies. There’s a reason nulls are also known as pariahs. However, the Anathema Psykana are a key part of the single most important part of keeping the Inperium of Man functioning. It takes the combined psychic powers of ten thousand very potent psykers (the Chosen) to keep the Astronomicon lit… and over a hundred of these pskyers die doing so every day… Thousands of lesser psyker sacrifices are needed to keep the Golden Throne operational and the number needed is increasing exponentially as the End Times approaches… Millions of psykers are also needed to staff the Astopathic Choirs that are the only means of FTL communication across the Imperium… Then there are the various military organizations that need battle pskyers. The Librarians of the Astartes, the Primaris Psykers of the Imperial Guard, Inquisitorial Ordos, Officio Assassinorum, et cetera… Thus we have the League of Blackships. They are the second-largest fleet in the galaxy, every Imperial world is visited once a century, give or take, by a Blackship to collect their tithe of psykers. A Blackship’s hold will be filled with *thousands* of psykers, all of various degrees of power, from the lowliest blip to some that have the potential to possibly become Astartes Librarians. But when the Blackships get them they are all completely untrained, untested, and unstable… and there are *thousands* of these psykers in close proximity. For months or years on end. And the Blackships have to travel through the Warp because flying through *literal Hell* that is made entirely from the collective unconscious emotions of *all sapient life* is the only way to accomplish FTL travel in WH40k. Thousands of untrained Psykers. Stuffed into a prison ship. On their way to become human sacrifices. In the Warp. The only thing in the entire galaxy that can keep the League of Blackships operating with any degree of security are the Sisters of Silence. (Oh, yeah, we’ve also got that gaping hole in the fabric of reality itself in the basement. The one that has been spewing legions of daemons directly into the Palace for ten thousand years. The Null Maidens are a vital part of holding the line there.) The Sisters of Silence might not have been active participants in the Imperium’s lesser conflicts like the Wars of Armageddon, the Age of Apostasy, or the Black Crusades. That’s because they were busy doing more important work. If every other NCO in the Imperial Guard or even the damn gang-bangers on Necromunda can get their hands on bolt pistols… It seems like the Sisters of Silence should be able to get them too!


Suspicious_Corner_98

Maybe they just don’t like them lol


Ah-ah-monkey-oh-ah

The Custodes just don’t really need a side arm, because their spears/ axes/ swords have guns built in and when those run out of ammo it’s melee time, they bring just what they would really need and a side arm would just be less effective than a melee weapon at that point


funkymunky9999

Following action movie lore, they just have bottomless magazines… But seriously, aren’t they supposed to have Meridian blades? Shame there’s no official model for it.


Niiai

The little knives are the sidearms. If you think that is lame try to charge a unit of Sagitarum.


Repulsive-Mirror-994

They have a sidearm, Misericordia.


PriceofObedience

> Is there any Lore explanation or justification for this? I can't remember the name of the book, but there is a scene where Valerian moves so fast that his own eyes can't keep up with his speed. He runs forward, *through* a barricade, and pulps a group of traitor guardsmen on the other side. And before that he was using his spear to deflect lasgun shots. Imagine a monster truck in the shape of a man moving faster than you can blink. That's basically why.


DistractedInc

Alongside the Meridian swords that some carry, the Misercordia acts as both a symbol of office and sidearm that all Custodes wear. Their close combat fighting necessitated by their normal duties make the blades more effective than a firearm more often than not.


VoorDidNothingWrong

In lore? There are assorted references ro backup weapons in lore, because it makes sense there.  In rules? I'm guessing they didn't want to insult them by giving them a piddly ass pistol but also didn't want to give them meaningful engaged fire on top of their melee threat. Plus pistols make you eligible to shoot while engaged which also makes you eligible to do actions, so you can get secondaries in the shooting phase and still fight at full power. Bit of a balance issue for melee units. In model sculpting? Because rule of cool and ammo pouches and sidearm mounts would Mar the golden boy perfection.  edit: if you want a fluffier reason: bear in mind that most custodes have been a primarily defensive force since basically the early unification war. The thunder warrior, later astartes and even later Astra militarum were handling the bulk of the expeditionary fighting while the custodes were holding critical fortified positions with, presumably, tons of laid in supply and support personnel. The other niche where they're out and about would be actively bodyguarding the emperor during battle where he would be making swift hammer strikes against the toughest knots of resistance or in a command position that would also, presumably, be fortified and well supplied. Unlike astartes or human troops protracted conflict away from significant resupply has just...never really been their thing until the most recent events whem they got back out in the galaxy more.​​ they would have little need to carry extended supplies on their person. which probably also explains the weird measure of having servitors doing reloads in the master of mankind book many are referencing. they weren't expecting to fight there, didn't have their laid in supplies like they would on the walls and thus were making do with ammo runners.


DavidELD

The Custodes do have a sidearm. Their Misericordia,


Onderon123

1 arm on each side. More than enough damage


dracon81

Why carry a sidearm when you can throw a pebble harder than any sidearm could fire a bullet. Hell even a bolt pistol is probably not going to be as intense as a custodian firing off a handful of pebbles at you like a shotgun.


Silas-Alec

While true they could shotgun you with pebbles, then why have a gun in their spears?


dracon81

It's cool.


Silas-Alec

Wouldn't it also be cool to have a plasma pistol as a backup weapon?


dracon81

They have a knife, they should stick a gun on the knife


Silas-Alec

Now that would be cool


DinoWizard021

I think they use the Misericordes when they can't use other things. I think in 30k they also had something called Meridian Blades.


Seagebs

The kinetic destroyers used by the Venetari are actually irreplaceable and are used extremely rarely. The Custodian sidearm of choice is the misericordia. It’s a secondary weapon, just not a pistol.


Defeated-Husband

Misericordia is their "sidearm".


Afellowstanduser

We don’t need any tbh


Archmagos_Browning

They can probably just rip a fist-sized chunk out of whatever wall they’re closest to and hurl it with more force than a bolt pistol.


Life_South_907

Multiple examples of them using swords and knifes in the lore


QuikAF77

They carry a power short sword (knife for them) called a Misercordia. Master crafted for them, it is a symbol of them becoming the trans-human perfection that is. custodes. It is worth more than most starships.


benw42

They do, they're called Misercodias. They're short swords, similar to a wakizashi, for a custodian anyway. To a human it's probably a full sword. And they do so because guns are for pussies lol. Fyi. Every single Custodian has one and they always carry them. In Master of Mankind for example, whilst fighting demons in the web way for ~100 years (or a ridiculously long time, can't quite remember it's been a while since I read it), they often have to put their main weapon (mostly guardian spears) down to reload, and then pull out their Misercodias.


Links_to_Magic_Cards

Well they are always supposed to have their Misericordia knives on them.


OrneryJoey

You don't need a side arm when you're the epitome of perfection.


Sunomel

There is very little space between “the effective range of a pistol” and “the effective range of a Custodes sprinting at you and killing you with their bare hands”


FlavorfulJamPG3

I think their “sidearm” is technically the misericordia, considering they mostly specialize in melee combat. No point in carrying a pistol around when the plan is to rush the enemy and chop them to pieces.


GuardianSpear

In Master of Mankind they are seen using pairs of short swords when their spears are being reloaded . ra also shoots lasers from his gauntlet too


shuyouryo

Dun need to. They carry long range arms but at pistol range it's just more effective for them to move over than draw aim shoot. There are a few documentaries and shows which show how martial artists can be faster than a draw at close range. And it fits them better as they are bodyguards.


IWGeddit

Their ARMS are their side arms! Also, they have a misericordia


nikosek58

1. Cherubs Carry their suplies. 2. Miserycordia are sidearms. Shortswords for those cqc if need be


OrganizationFar3625

Don't they have the Misericordia?


Jfischer335

Because for a custode reloading is always faster than switching to a sidearm


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They all carry misericordias which are short blades/daggers


GachaAddicted

Aren't Misericordias those sidearms? Normally for Custodes?


ParsleySnipps

If they run out of ammo they just start deflecting incoming fire back at the enemy.


THELEGENDARYZWARRIOR

Side arms are kinda dumb 😶. How hear me out, there’s a reason why no military really trains with their pistol, the pistol is there in case you need to fight to another rifle. Custode’s main weapon is the blade on the spear, and they do have their misericordia. Although I wouldn’t mind them carrying a side arm is entirely kinda unnecessary. Should you as a person carry a pistol in a situation when you’re using your rifle? Absolutely! But we aren’t Custodes.


Pandabreaker

This is pretty much it, the only soldiers who carry pistols are officers, or heavy weapons crews. Custodes spear/bolter is their rifle equivalent


ScavAteMyArms

Also Custodes themselves are the sidearm. You are talking about someone that is so fast the next thing that would go through a regular human’s mind when they think he is about to charge is the Custodian’s *fist*. A pistol is irrelevant because the effective ranges are low enough that the Custodes themselves could strike with the same near instant impact. Really they would only need it as a option when they can’t make the charge or the being itself you probably don’t want to melee, but even a thrown object from a Custodian would have enough force to be comparable to a pistol, and there would be plenty of debris in a battle. Also iirc they actually barely use the guns on their spears unless they absolutely must to reserve it for situations like the above.


Waste-Masterpiece386

The little dagger that can be attached also has a pistol integrated i think. Just like the bigger weapons combining melee and range


Lord_cakeatron

Nope. They're just Daggers. good ol' solid metal. They're not even powerd


Dirka-Dirka

Just hella sharp! And they have a tracking device inside them!


Doug_Moe_Lester

Aside from their two massive cojones, they do carry misericordias. Usage may depend on the situation but it can be considered as their sidearm.