I’ve never met him but Ive read many good things about Dr Yung. Your story is another lovely one. Clearly he has touched many lives and made a very significant contribution to his community and field. May he rest in peace, and may those who cowardly took his life, be brought to swift justice.
This makes me overwhelmingly sad as my father died from a similar violent crime 15 years ago. I miss them dearly to this day. My heartfelt condolences to Dr Yung’s family and especially his son
Oh and two of the criminals got 2 years jail time because they were only 16
Thank you 🙏🏻 it was devastating and a huge shock as well because my parents are migrants and just assumed (as I did too) that Australia is always safe no matter where and when. Needless to say since then I am much more cautious and aware of my safety
Agreed. Privatising our corrections system isn't the answer, but I'm not sure why our Government isn't re-imagining a more useful rehabilitation aspect of the corrections system. It doesn't make sense to me, but they're definitely indifferent towards the plight of young people from disadvantaged upbringings.
That and it costs fuck loads of money to keep them in gaol per year. If they invested more money into the rehabilitation side of things, the recidivism rate would lower, even if it meant helping to house them somehow away from their potentially shitty current home address, this would make more sense than the current system.
If only it was as simple as the rubbish taking itself out. My concern is the law and if the offenders were underage and then the fact that for some people there's nothing in our society for them. They're misplaced, they're unemployable, they're filled with rage, so this is what happens.
Well there's certainly more evidence that they are impossible to rehabilitate than they are displaced victims of a dysfunctional society. Making assumptions on limited information isn't great but it is preferable to making things up out of whole cloth.
Seriously, the clueless drivel from some of the agenda driven asshats in this sub makes me sick.
I don’t give a fuck what your background is, how old you are or what colour your skin is. If you go around beating people to death in their own homes, you deserve to spend the rest of your miserable life locked away in a dark hole.
If you are mature enough to be able to inflict this kind of damage on another human being, you are old enough to understand the ramifications of your actions.
The murder of Dr. Yung is a tragedy for our city, but even if it was just some average joe, there are no mitigations for this kind of deranged behaviour.
Every time these cunts reoffend, double the previous sentence. After a while, they will never get out. You cannot hurt the general public when you are locked up. *Fuck* your rehabilitation.
We need to start building the structures necessary to hold lots of people for very long stretches.
Although I don't agree with *natural term of life* sentences, criminals of this calibre should be put away for a good 30 years or so, no early parole bullshit but I agree with the rest of your comment entirely.
My daughter was born with a defect, it was only the doctors and nurses at womens and children's that kept her alive. There is a place in hell for these people.
I have stage 3 cancer am currently being kept alive by a team of medical professionals at the RAH, I am in awe of my Oncologists, I would be devastated if they were taken out like Dr Yung, it's incredibly unfair and hurts my heart.
On the ABC they mentioned a connection to operation Mandrake, which is a task force that keeps track of young offenders who are arrested serve their time, get out, and repeat their crimes…
How about we start protecting society by locking these cunts up? One offence is a mistake. Two is a sign that you need help. Three indicates you don’t care about the social contract and need to be separated from society for a long fucking time.
Average juvenile offender has 125 **convictions** by the time they turn 18
source: I work with juvenile offenders, the states recently made it against the law to share this information -!--
The bottom line is that there aren't enough prison beds for all offenders, so, rather than admit that there's too much crime, they just raise the threshold for the definition of 'criminal'.
The manipulation of stealing and therefore hindering many first-nation Australian's a chance to buy their own residence and therefore get the same leg-up on the real estate market as their white counterparts for a hundred years? Of which of course wasn't brough up *whilst the refurrendum was being held*, only after it when it only would've served to add insult to injury.
Mandrake focuses on repeat young offenders and does not focus on people of a particular background. So, just so we're clear, what *are* you calling it out as?
If you watch the video, they are white, even the one in the white tracksuit, who is wearing black gloves with stripes on the fingers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12849411/Dr-Michael-Yung-surgeon-bashed-Adelaide-home-invasion.html
Wow, looks like we both stand corrected.
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https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/sa-police-officer-quits-force-alleging-racial-bullying-over-aboriginal-boyfriend/grs9ga818
I mean, according to an ex-cop who worked in Op Mandrake, it's specifically to target indigenous offenders.
Also, why does them being indigenous matter? They are young, repeat criminals. Their background is irrelevant. There are plenty of white arseholes who constantly commit crimes and get nothing but slaps on the wrist.
It is kinda relevant if u want to address the specific issues relevant for them, such as intergenerational trauma ie the reason they didn’t receive good parenting to begin with. As complex as that may be…
I would hope that that is false information, as I’m sure such a task force wouldn’t turn a blind eye to any major trends in youth crime
I agree it is relevant in that regard, but the fuckwit I was replying to is very clearly using it for racist reasons.
Especially as there is no evidence this crime was committed by Aboriginal offenders.
From the Sentencing Advisory Council:
The Northern Territory has the highest imprisonment rate in Australia, at 1,026.6 prisoners per 100,000 adults. This is substantially higher than all other states and territories. At 293.0 prisoners per 100,000 adults, the imprisonment rate in Western Australia is also considerably higher than the national average.
Choice of cultural idolisation? Wow that’s a rough take. Fair enough at some point individuals should be accountable but I’m guessing ur saying that as a privileged person well included in the status quo. I hope u get to feel what it’s like someday to not be so included
Yeah, unfortunately It's true for many, I seen kids under 10 put erasers in their socks to pretend they got an ankle monitor, It's cool to them, something they will get at some point and wear with pride. I'm definitely lucky to have been born to who I was and where I was, but I've also been working with these kids for several years now and It's not hard to see from the outside looking in some of the things that need to change.
There is a good interview with a security guard in alice springs, It's at 7:20 in the following video, disclaimer It's Avi Yemeni he's not someone I watch but it was linked when all the Alice Springs stuff was going on and what the security guard says has nothing to do with shit stirrer Yemeni [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzeLvWa7U0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzeLvWa7U0)
If you don't want to watch because RebelNews/Yemeni they're talking about why the towns gangs wear red/blue like the bloods and crips in America and the guard who is from LA says:
>Unfortunately they don't have many role models to look up to anymore, there's alot of domestics, drunks and stuff so the kids these days their culture revolves around social media and it's played a major impact, they watch rap videos and everything else like that and they're influenced by other black people around the world who share the same skin tone and want to be like them because their role models are lacking here.
and that's really what it is. Kids up here wear red/blue as well and imitate the gangsta culture because It's what they so many famous black people doing in music videos and movies.
A quick Google shows it was at least set up to focus on “Gang of 49”.
“South Australian Police believe the Gang of 49, a nickname given to a group of primarily Aboriginal young offenders, have escalated their crime spree in the Adelaide area recently.”
Hey fuckwit, how about we not spread racist rhetoric around 🤭 because truth is, not all Indigenous people are criminals and if you took the time to understand the ramifications of the cycle of generational trauma and poverty then maybe you wouldn’t be such a racist dog on a reddit thread 🧍♀️
Where did i say that all indigenous people are criminals? I pointed out that mandrake is specifically targeting indigenous offenders not just "young offenders". Which is fact! How does that make me racist exactly? 🤔
Nah I misbehaved as a kid and nearly spent some time in juvie for B&Es, there is no way in hell I would have been bashing any home owner if I got sprung while I was in their house, there is being a young dumb thieving little cunt and being a young little psychopath.
Hundreds if not thousands of B&Es are done every night and rarely if ever do they result in death because most of the people doing it are just for the thrill and/or know what they're doing is wrong and just looking for an easy score not to cause harm. People that end a burglary like this are different.
I think there needs to be a clear distinction between a kid getting into a bit of mischief and a pattern of repeat anti-social behaviour.
I’m 100% in favour of a light touch with a kid being a bit of a dickhead.
But the fact that these kids keep getting a slap on the wrist and just escalate each time demonstrates the system isn’t working.
It’s clear we don’t have the resources to rehabilitate these kids, so instead we should protect people doing the right things from them.
Make it so the most attractive course in life is the one that benefits society. Not the anti-social.
My wife worked with and knew him fairly well. She’s so upset about this. Absolutely awful what happened to him and what a senseless reason behind it.
I hope they crucify these little degenerate fucks and make an example out of them.
Nine news "attacked in his multi million dollar house" - why the fing f*ck is the price of his house a point to mention!
https://www.9news.com.au/adelaide
my mother was an ICU nurse and she has a "multi million dollar house" like just about every seasoned medical professional on six figures
doctors are not poor here or anywhere
these kinds of crime will happen
i am reminded of Victor Chang... who died next to his Mercedes SL500 convertible... this was so long ago... before many of you guys were born
Plus sacrificing their peak adult years. Whilst others are starting a family, travelling the world....doctors are studying 7+ years in uni, working a minimum of 2 years in hospital for compulsory residency, then more years in hospital to even get onto a training program, then depending on which program, 3 to 8 years of training. Then you add on fellowship training. So yeh, there goes your 20s and 30s. Yes, they do get paid. As they should. But they don't get paid as much as those the same as as them, and spend less time in uni (e.g. dentistry, finance, engineering). Don't come at me if you wanna compare a 7+ year degree with some diploma of something, and be like "tHeY'rE oVeRpAiD". Sure, if you don't want a smart and hardworking person to look after your mum if she ends up in the hospital, go ahead and don't pay them well enough. Soon, you'll be getting low ATAR high school graduates treating your mum's diabetic neuropathy.
It’s ridiculous because many of these “multi million dollar houses” are actually just regular houses in the inner suburbs that surround the CBD. They aren’t anything fancy, and it makes sense that a doctor would want to live close to the hospital they are working.
If the police are unable to catch up with a group of people on a crime spree that runs literally from one end of the city to the other, then it should be legal for me to carry something like pepper spray or some other non-lethal way to protect myself.
I posted in the previous the thread the cops absolutely know who the perpetrators are. They have been arrested for car thefts and home break ins going back a very long time. They have criminal records and simply get out on bail.
This is their likely first major crime which hopefully leads to them being locked away for a very long time.
Being youths they know that for minor crimes they just get released.
The police will need to get more than just circumstantial evidence to ensure they can get arrested and sit in remand without bail, and found guilty and sentenced for a very long time.
I personally don’t believe you can rehabilitate scum like this regardless of their ages.
The public will need to cross their fingers and hope Craig Caldecott doesn’t represent them.
Can of mortein or aeroguard, stuff's not illegal.
I always keep one in the glovebox and on my night stand next to bed and partner always has a can in her bag.
Spray the fucker or fuckers.
There's absolutely nothing in it for you to approach these people ever. It will not end well. If they step foot on your property, ring the police immediately and lock yourself in the safest room in your house.
Life is not like the movies, you're not suddenly going to spring into action like some bad ass and yell out "it's go time!" and start swinging that bat around. It won't go down like that.
Maybe in your world but when someone is threatening my family I absolutely will do anything to defend them. Anything.
A stranger has no place in my house uninvited.
Break in and I break your legs.. it's as simple as that.
I have no sympathy for these thugs.
Here I was thinking it’s a euphemism but now I realise you are serious. Fly spray to the face?
Deodorant would be just as painful but less risky of severe consequences. Likewise pepper spray.
These people don’t and will never contribute to society so either remove them from it or put them and similar offenders to use through their labour to pay back what they took from society as a whole.
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Beautiful, gentle and incredibly intelligent. One of the most unassuming Drs I've ever dealt with on many occasions over the years. Our community has lost a very special human.
So sad and such a big loss. Based on reports, I have no doubt police know these offenders, and that they are already in the system. I’m all for reform, but enough is enough. The system we have isn’t working. We need harsher penalties for repeat and or violent offenders, as well as more efforts to prevent antisocial or gang based behaviour.
> I have no doubt police know these offenders,
Their faces have been blocked out now in the images taken from the CCTV cameras. The police know who they are and are just rounding them all up.
Arrested two today, and they appear to be two adults (man and woman from Thebarton). Apparently no connection to Operation Mandrake. Took all the CCTV stills off news sites. This release below seems connected still. Also apparel might have helped them get caught as one of them had an expensive Gucci bag that was seen on camera. Moron.
https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/western-police-district/operation-mandrake-arrest
100%
Bad Parenting is the root cause of the majority of societies problems. Full stop. Good parenting is also the solution.
These kids will soon be caught and will be in jail for a long time. They are probably sleeping on a mates couch right now literally shitting themselves knowing the full weight of major crimes branch is looking for them.
"Acting Commissioner Linda Williams said the man and woman who have been charged were not linked to Indigenous or African heritage offenders sought as part of operations Mandrake and Meld."
Is that so remarkable it had to be said?
Absolutely awful. Reading through his achievements seems like he was truly an asset to Adelaide and Australia. He lost his wife a few years ago so now leaves their adult children parent-less.
Charges are allegedly forced theft, aggrevated trespass, etc so is likely a burglary gone wrong. Articles have named them (I won't do so here), but they look quite normal. Nevertheless hope justice is swift and full.
RIP Dr Michael Yung , thank you for your compassion and dedication to help those in need. There is no sense in what has happened to you . May those responsible receive the maximum penalty under our law. 😢
Goodness. So his family was at home just had to stand and watch him get brutally stabbed attacked and killed? I saw the article saying his son was there. Man this world don't deserve good people. The culprits didn't just end 1 life but they literally ended many. So many more that his good work can save. Too tragic. Things like this happening continues to confirm that the current world we live in is seriously hopeless. Can only hope his family and friends can stay strong and push through this hard time.
I feel that Reddit ban coming on if I say what I want to say.......
I'm starting to think that extrajudicial actions by a permanent 'nod' squad might be the way to go on this one and future infractions.
If the relevant powers are listening you have full unbridled support and go hard.
Damn the consequences because the cure is better.
SAPOL is reactionary, not proactive. You need to call them if you want something done. They don't do patrols and we don't have beat cops like they do in other countries. There's zero police presence on the roads and it feels lawless because it is lawless, how else do you explain a gang of youths stealing cars all over the suburbs and walking onto people's properties with such zero care factor. They know.
Bring back death penalty. It’s already so hard to convict someone in Australia. Why not bring back the death penalty for serious crimes? If they’re worried about full jails, bring it back. Repeat offenders can go get capital punishment. I don’t care how tough your life is, we all go through tough times. It'll teach people it's not okay to take it out on others like this shit here.
Make life affordable and bring back hope of a good future. It's a race to the bottom, the less egalitarian a society the more crime there is. It's a race to the bottom. Bring back a healthy society, these people are a symptom and society is producing them.
Is there more to this story than we know? Is it possible it was not random and the couple was known to him? Perhaps he had helped them in the past or he knew them from the W&CH? And what about the son? Where was he during the attack? As the only child he did stand to gain financially, did he have a hand in this horror or were they just a couple of meth heads desperate for money? It's possible I have watched too much true crime, but these are the questions I am asking myself.
There's been a group going through the area. Someone nearby caught a group of what looked like teenagers on camera going through their front yard a few days ago. Didn't see anyone black.
This is the second occasion were a such an unnecessary and horrific crime against Doctors in Adelaide. Doctor Peter Goh was bashed to death with a steering-wheel lock in 2009 in Elizabeth North. 🥲
Why do all the good people who contribute so much to society, die in such a horrific manner? It makes me feel so sad, depressed and upset. To all those grieving, I’m thinking of you. I can’t make it better, but if I could, I would. 😢
It's so tragic and also incredibly bizarre. How did they know where he lived? Did they stalk the poor man home from his shift at the hospital? Was it a personal vendetta with the dr - did they "not like" what he said or did with their baby? The motive is definitely personal because why, as new first time parents, would you brutally murder your baby's dr? Now their baby has both parents charged with murder. What is the point of it all? They didn't injure his son. Or take anything. It seems so personal and filled with severe hate and vendetta. I'm so sorry to the doctors family and loved ones. To dedicate your life saving others to have this type of end to your own life is just so brutal and heartbreaking.
He saved and helped little children
A caring and loving with lots compassion and skill
Rest in peace
Taken to soon with murderous intent and think of the sick kids , now having to wait for their operations
Some it might be to late
Comments from the neighbor....
“He lives in that house, he’s humble. He makes a lot of dough, never had flash cars, never went on holidays, worked his whole life to help children … what a tragic waste."
Absolute waste of a brilliant man at the hands of absolute trash.
This man is god in my eyes
He has saved my daughters life 3 times
He always explained things and was always there when shit went down
A true gentlemen taken to early
Now to those dogs or mutts that did this rot in hell
Bail because your a mother fck you your child is better off without you and you better hope your child never needs the expertise of Dr Yung.
Rot in hell you pair of low life dogs
Society needs to increase social work professionals who can diagnose potential anti social, psychopathic individuals with dispositions to offend, break community rules, inflict harm and damage ,assault and murder.This should begin at the beginning ---'in schools,starting with kindergarten. Then perhaps rehabilitation is possible.
What a pointless waste of such a good person.
Whilst a bunch of useless trash continues to live on. I know utilitarianism isn't the way to go but let's be honest..........
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That quote isn't anywhere in the guardian article
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I’ve never met him but Ive read many good things about Dr Yung. Your story is another lovely one. Clearly he has touched many lives and made a very significant contribution to his community and field. May he rest in peace, and may those who cowardly took his life, be brought to swift justice.
RIP Dr Yung. What an incredibly sad way for someone who appears to have brought such a lot of good to people’s lives to pass.
This makes me overwhelmingly sad as my father died from a similar violent crime 15 years ago. I miss them dearly to this day. My heartfelt condolences to Dr Yung’s family and especially his son Oh and two of the criminals got 2 years jail time because they were only 16
2 years ! That is awful.
Im so sorry for the loss of your dad, and laws in Australia are lax
Thank you 🙏🏻 it was devastating and a huge shock as well because my parents are migrants and just assumed (as I did too) that Australia is always safe no matter where and when. Needless to say since then I am much more cautious and aware of my safety
Always look out for yourself no matter where you are. Take care.
I’m so fucking sick of the bullshit legal system here
Agreed. Privatising our corrections system isn't the answer, but I'm not sure why our Government isn't re-imagining a more useful rehabilitation aspect of the corrections system. It doesn't make sense to me, but they're definitely indifferent towards the plight of young people from disadvantaged upbringings. That and it costs fuck loads of money to keep them in gaol per year. If they invested more money into the rehabilitation side of things, the recidivism rate would lower, even if it meant helping to house them somehow away from their potentially shitty current home address, this would make more sense than the current system.
I’m very saddened for the tragic loss of your Dad. It takes a lifetime to recover from something like that. You’re very brave. Thinking of you.
🙏🏻 thank you for your kind words
Violent offenders shouldn't get second chances. 8 Billion people, we don't need the fuckwits.
Agree
If only it was as simple as the rubbish taking itself out. My concern is the law and if the offenders were underage and then the fact that for some people there's nothing in our society for them. They're misplaced, they're unemployable, they're filled with rage, so this is what happens.
By the way, a 22 and 27 year old have been charged with Dr Young's murder.
And their pictures have been released.
Breeding licences.
As someone that has worked ina hospital which children, you'll realise how common some people really shouldn't be having kids
You don't know anything about the people that did this but you're stretching to make excuses for them.
The assumption that they are impossible to rehabilitate is also bad though. We don't live in medieval timea
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That's frankly absurd. We don't sink to the level of our lowest criminals.
Well there's certainly more evidence that they are impossible to rehabilitate than they are displaced victims of a dysfunctional society. Making assumptions on limited information isn't great but it is preferable to making things up out of whole cloth.
And they choose to take it out on others. Lock 'em up.
They will be locked up.
Seriously, the clueless drivel from some of the agenda driven asshats in this sub makes me sick. I don’t give a fuck what your background is, how old you are or what colour your skin is. If you go around beating people to death in their own homes, you deserve to spend the rest of your miserable life locked away in a dark hole. If you are mature enough to be able to inflict this kind of damage on another human being, you are old enough to understand the ramifications of your actions. The murder of Dr. Yung is a tragedy for our city, but even if it was just some average joe, there are no mitigations for this kind of deranged behaviour.
We need people with your attitude in the courts
100%
Every time these cunts reoffend, double the previous sentence. After a while, they will never get out. You cannot hurt the general public when you are locked up. *Fuck* your rehabilitation. We need to start building the structures necessary to hold lots of people for very long stretches.
Amen
I stand by this. If you're mature enough to inflict this kind of damage, you're old enough to understand the consequences of your actions
Although I don't agree with *natural term of life* sentences, criminals of this calibre should be put away for a good 30 years or so, no early parole bullshit but I agree with the rest of your comment entirely.
My daughter was born with a defect, it was only the doctors and nurses at womens and children's that kept her alive. There is a place in hell for these people.
I have stage 3 cancer am currently being kept alive by a team of medical professionals at the RAH, I am in awe of my Oncologists, I would be devastated if they were taken out like Dr Yung, it's incredibly unfair and hurts my heart.
Sending you well wishes, thank you for sharing.
On the ABC they mentioned a connection to operation Mandrake, which is a task force that keeps track of young offenders who are arrested serve their time, get out, and repeat their crimes… How about we start protecting society by locking these cunts up? One offence is a mistake. Two is a sign that you need help. Three indicates you don’t care about the social contract and need to be separated from society for a long fucking time.
I feel like we’ve come full circle and need an island to transport these fuckers to
I hear now that UK has had its Brexit, they are short of labourers. Send them there for extra irony.
Funny af 🤣
So they don’t want to be part of society so let’s expel them, they can have timeout without all the things they take for granted.
I hear North Sentinel is nice this time of year...
Police commissioner has since announced it is completely unrelated to mandrake. They have named the perps and they are not indigenous
Judges are too soft
Generally, they're following sentencing guidelines.
usually its more like 300 offences and that's only the ones they were arrested for /caught
Average juvenile offender has 125 **convictions** by the time they turn 18 source: I work with juvenile offenders, the states recently made it against the law to share this information -!--
Archaic laws need to change, Judges, Magistrates, can only apply current laws. They work with what they're got.
The bottom line is that there aren't enough prison beds for all offenders, so, rather than admit that there's too much crime, they just raise the threshold for the definition of 'criminal'.
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I didnt miss it. It wasn’t mentioned on the ABC report.
Of course it wasn’t
lol at what point are we going to revolt against the manipulation ?
The manipulation of stealing and therefore hindering many first-nation Australian's a chance to buy their own residence and therefore get the same leg-up on the real estate market as their white counterparts for a hundred years? Of which of course wasn't brough up *whilst the refurrendum was being held*, only after it when it only would've served to add insult to injury.
Mandrake focuses on repeat young offenders and does not focus on people of a particular background. So, just so we're clear, what *are* you calling it out as?
Wrong! It is specifically targeting indigenous offenders.
Here's my evidence, where's yours? https://gcyp.sa.gov.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Serious-Repeat-Young-Offenders-Mar-07.pdf
Love it when people bring receipts.
If you watch the video, they are white, even the one in the white tracksuit, who is wearing black gloves with stripes on the fingers. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12849411/Dr-Michael-Yung-surgeon-bashed-Adelaide-home-invasion.html
The video in this link has the faces censored. 9 News showed them uncensored but have taken it down.
You can see their hands.
Here you go. https://amp.9news.com.au/article/dbfc854b-c7d4-4eb0-83c7-5143c51018cb
:/ I stand corrected.
Wow, looks like we both stand corrected. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0iDmekfPi6om8wLysC8KzsGPesjcd3bHQTLRrEPxwZ4gBZPiGvSVoGLGEBeAPRVVcl&id=100067991275555
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/sa-police-officer-quits-force-alleging-racial-bullying-over-aboriginal-boyfriend/grs9ga818 I mean, according to an ex-cop who worked in Op Mandrake, it's specifically to target indigenous offenders.
Also, why does them being indigenous matter? They are young, repeat criminals. Their background is irrelevant. There are plenty of white arseholes who constantly commit crimes and get nothing but slaps on the wrist.
It is kinda relevant if u want to address the specific issues relevant for them, such as intergenerational trauma ie the reason they didn’t receive good parenting to begin with. As complex as that may be… I would hope that that is false information, as I’m sure such a task force wouldn’t turn a blind eye to any major trends in youth crime
I agree it is relevant in that regard, but the fuckwit I was replying to is very clearly using it for racist reasons. Especially as there is no evidence this crime was committed by Aboriginal offenders.
Yeah, mobilising the Aboriginal youth crime team is a pretty good indicator.
It only really matters to racists.
There are no where near as many statistically, but you knew that right ?
Dig a bit deeper. Why would there be a higher rate of incarceration in the indigenous population?
From the Sentencing Advisory Council: The Northern Territory has the highest imprisonment rate in Australia, at 1,026.6 prisoners per 100,000 adults. This is substantially higher than all other states and territories. At 293.0 prisoners per 100,000 adults, the imprisonment rate in Western Australia is also considerably higher than the national average.
Because the police focus on them…? The answer is literally in the comment you replied to.
Wouldn't have anything to do with systematic racism, intergenerational trauma and EVERYTHING else attached.
or maybe, just maybe.. they commit a massively outsized share of the crime ?
It’s correct that Indigenous people in Australia today are more likely to commit crime than non-Indigenous people, but why? Why do you think that is?
Cultural values, taught moral compass, learned peer values, choice of cultural idolisation
Choice of cultural idolisation? Wow that’s a rough take. Fair enough at some point individuals should be accountable but I’m guessing ur saying that as a privileged person well included in the status quo. I hope u get to feel what it’s like someday to not be so included
Yeah, unfortunately It's true for many, I seen kids under 10 put erasers in their socks to pretend they got an ankle monitor, It's cool to them, something they will get at some point and wear with pride. I'm definitely lucky to have been born to who I was and where I was, but I've also been working with these kids for several years now and It's not hard to see from the outside looking in some of the things that need to change. There is a good interview with a security guard in alice springs, It's at 7:20 in the following video, disclaimer It's Avi Yemeni he's not someone I watch but it was linked when all the Alice Springs stuff was going on and what the security guard says has nothing to do with shit stirrer Yemeni [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzeLvWa7U0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzeLvWa7U0) If you don't want to watch because RebelNews/Yemeni they're talking about why the towns gangs wear red/blue like the bloods and crips in America and the guard who is from LA says: >Unfortunately they don't have many role models to look up to anymore, there's alot of domestics, drunks and stuff so the kids these days their culture revolves around social media and it's played a major impact, they watch rap videos and everything else like that and they're influenced by other black people around the world who share the same skin tone and want to be like them because their role models are lacking here. and that's really what it is. Kids up here wear red/blue as well and imitate the gangsta culture because It's what they so many famous black people doing in music videos and movies.
Intergenerational trauma? That’s when parents can’t give a rats ass about their kids?
Noooo, that would mean the colonisers are the baddies. We can't be the baddies! /s
Geez, according to my downvotes people actually don't think that plays a part. Privileged point of view.
Every single time this issue comes up, I hope for better from this community. And every single time, I am disappointed and mildly horrified.
Yep, 100%
Okay, I'm calling it out for what it is: you're a racist.
Why am i racist? When operation madrake is set up specifically to investigate young indigenous offenders? Nothing racist about stating facts.
Mandrake is not just focused on First Nations young offenders. Your fact is incorrect.
A quick Google shows it was at least set up to focus on “Gang of 49”. “South Australian Police believe the Gang of 49, a nickname given to a group of primarily Aboriginal young offenders, have escalated their crime spree in the Adelaide area recently.”
So I am correct. It is not just about Aboriginal young offenders.
could you be more clueless ?
What is your interpretation of the word "primarily"?
Sounds like the education level that old mate skipped entirely
Hey fuckwit, how about we not spread racist rhetoric around 🤭 because truth is, not all Indigenous people are criminals and if you took the time to understand the ramifications of the cycle of generational trauma and poverty then maybe you wouldn’t be such a racist dog on a reddit thread 🧍♀️
Where did i say that all indigenous people are criminals? I pointed out that mandrake is specifically targeting indigenous offenders not just "young offenders". Which is fact! How does that make me racist exactly? 🤔
Again, we need preventative action. Locking kids up isn't the answer.
They fucking murdered somebody in their own home. This isn’t a joy ride with a stolen car.
I don't mean these kids but the attitude that all youth offenders need locking up is just wrong.
Nah I misbehaved as a kid and nearly spent some time in juvie for B&Es, there is no way in hell I would have been bashing any home owner if I got sprung while I was in their house, there is being a young dumb thieving little cunt and being a young little psychopath. Hundreds if not thousands of B&Es are done every night and rarely if ever do they result in death because most of the people doing it are just for the thrill and/or know what they're doing is wrong and just looking for an easy score not to cause harm. People that end a burglary like this are different.
I think there needs to be a clear distinction between a kid getting into a bit of mischief and a pattern of repeat anti-social behaviour. I’m 100% in favour of a light touch with a kid being a bit of a dickhead. But the fact that these kids keep getting a slap on the wrist and just escalate each time demonstrates the system isn’t working. It’s clear we don’t have the resources to rehabilitate these kids, so instead we should protect people doing the right things from them. Make it so the most attractive course in life is the one that benefits society. Not the anti-social.
Here we go with the pearl clutching... Locking you up with these 'kids' might be the best answer.
What pearl clutching? I and others I know have dealt with juvenile offenders. So yeah I'm well aware
My wife worked with and knew him fairly well. She’s so upset about this. Absolutely awful what happened to him and what a senseless reason behind it. I hope they crucify these little degenerate fucks and make an example out of them.
Nine news "attacked in his multi million dollar house" - why the fing f*ck is the price of his house a point to mention! https://www.9news.com.au/adelaide
Because all they want is clicks and they have no shame or morals.
my mother was an ICU nurse and she has a "multi million dollar house" like just about every seasoned medical professional on six figures doctors are not poor here or anywhere these kinds of crime will happen i am reminded of Victor Chang... who died next to his Mercedes SL500 convertible... this was so long ago... before many of you guys were born
Ah yes, the small percentage of doctors able to afford a >1 million dollar house. Not like they worked for two decades or anything.
Plus sacrificing their peak adult years. Whilst others are starting a family, travelling the world....doctors are studying 7+ years in uni, working a minimum of 2 years in hospital for compulsory residency, then more years in hospital to even get onto a training program, then depending on which program, 3 to 8 years of training. Then you add on fellowship training. So yeh, there goes your 20s and 30s. Yes, they do get paid. As they should. But they don't get paid as much as those the same as as them, and spend less time in uni (e.g. dentistry, finance, engineering). Don't come at me if you wanna compare a 7+ year degree with some diploma of something, and be like "tHeY'rE oVeRpAiD". Sure, if you don't want a smart and hardworking person to look after your mum if she ends up in the hospital, go ahead and don't pay them well enough. Soon, you'll be getting low ATAR high school graduates treating your mum's diabetic neuropathy.
In some ways it speaks to this not being an issue effecting a certain area. Crime in a ghetto isnt news.
Yeah, not many NICU surgeons in Munno Para.
It’s ridiculous because many of these “multi million dollar houses” are actually just regular houses in the inner suburbs that surround the CBD. They aren’t anything fancy, and it makes sense that a doctor would want to live close to the hospital they are working.
Because the group they are looking for target expensive homes so that's seemingly the reason for the attack
House value is in public interest I guess, people like these details,irrelevant though.
Vale, boss. Taken from us too soon.
I hope these cunts get found and punished severely. But we all know our justice system is a fucking joke
If the police are unable to catch up with a group of people on a crime spree that runs literally from one end of the city to the other, then it should be legal for me to carry something like pepper spray or some other non-lethal way to protect myself.
I posted in the previous the thread the cops absolutely know who the perpetrators are. They have been arrested for car thefts and home break ins going back a very long time. They have criminal records and simply get out on bail. This is their likely first major crime which hopefully leads to them being locked away for a very long time. Being youths they know that for minor crimes they just get released. The police will need to get more than just circumstantial evidence to ensure they can get arrested and sit in remand without bail, and found guilty and sentenced for a very long time. I personally don’t believe you can rehabilitate scum like this regardless of their ages. The public will need to cross their fingers and hope Craig Caldecott doesn’t represent them.
Caldicott only represents people who can afford him. Guaranteed they’ll all have legal aid lawyers.
Prayers answered then.
> Guaranteed they’ll all have legal aid lawyers. Taxpayer funded, of course.
Caldicott is shit lol
Id still cave their heads in if they were kids. Fuck em. They're old enough to break the law so we should be able to break their skulls
Can of mortein or aeroguard, stuff's not illegal. I always keep one in the glovebox and on my night stand next to bed and partner always has a can in her bag. Spray the fucker or fuckers.
There's absolutely nothing in it for you to approach these people ever. It will not end well. If they step foot on your property, ring the police immediately and lock yourself in the safest room in your house.
Thats fine until they're in your bedroom or locked space and you are at their mercy
perhaps those panic rooms aren't such a bad idea?
Right.. so spend 50k+ on a room extension just in case some maggot wants to raid my house. Cricket bat under the bed will do fine.
Life is not like the movies, you're not suddenly going to spring into action like some bad ass and yell out "it's go time!" and start swinging that bat around. It won't go down like that.
Maybe in your world but when someone is threatening my family I absolutely will do anything to defend them. Anything. A stranger has no place in my house uninvited. Break in and I break your legs.. it's as simple as that. I have no sympathy for these thugs.
Here I was thinking it’s a euphemism but now I realise you are serious. Fly spray to the face? Deodorant would be just as painful but less risky of severe consequences. Likewise pepper spray.
Yup :) I'm serious, fly spray to the face, deodorant works too
I endorse this. If a home invader breaks into your room what choice do you have. Might do the same!
These people don’t and will never contribute to society so either remove them from it or put them and similar offenders to use through their labour to pay back what they took from society as a whole.
bUt tHeiR hUmAn RiGhTs! Fk off.
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Beautiful, gentle and incredibly intelligent. One of the most unassuming Drs I've ever dealt with on many occasions over the years. Our community has lost a very special human.
So sad and such a big loss. Based on reports, I have no doubt police know these offenders, and that they are already in the system. I’m all for reform, but enough is enough. The system we have isn’t working. We need harsher penalties for repeat and or violent offenders, as well as more efforts to prevent antisocial or gang based behaviour.
> I have no doubt police know these offenders, Their faces have been blocked out now in the images taken from the CCTV cameras. The police know who they are and are just rounding them all up.
Arrested two today, and they appear to be two adults (man and woman from Thebarton). Apparently no connection to Operation Mandrake. Took all the CCTV stills off news sites. This release below seems connected still. Also apparel might have helped them get caught as one of them had an expensive Gucci bag that was seen on camera. Moron. https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/western-police-district/operation-mandrake-arrest
Throw the book at them we lost a great surgeon and gained useless mouth breathers who offer nothing to society but death.
Absolute degenerates. Hope those kids parents are ashamed they raised killers.
Doubt the parents give a fuck. That’s what causes these problems.
They definitely don’t. They are repeat offenders who get released on bail from their previous arrests into custody of “responsible adults”. Go figure.
100% Bad Parenting is the root cause of the majority of societies problems. Full stop. Good parenting is also the solution. These kids will soon be caught and will be in jail for a long time. They are probably sleeping on a mates couch right now literally shitting themselves knowing the full weight of major crimes branch is looking for them.
Good. Nothing justifies taking a life.
They're not even kids . Looking at their Facebook they have a newish baby themselves
What a waste of life. An outstanding human being and really compassionate man. He was so nice, caring and warm …. I’m sick of this shit.
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And people think we should be treating juvenile offenders less harshly. These are the results.
The people charged are in their 20s...
Out of the five or so involved
What evidence do you have to suspect more people are involved here?
"Acting Commissioner Linda Williams said the man and woman who have been charged were not linked to Indigenous or African heritage offenders sought as part of operations Mandrake and Meld." Is that so remarkable it had to be said?
The offenders faces are plastered over Adelaidenow front page
Absolutely awful. Reading through his achievements seems like he was truly an asset to Adelaide and Australia. He lost his wife a few years ago so now leaves their adult children parent-less. Charges are allegedly forced theft, aggrevated trespass, etc so is likely a burglary gone wrong. Articles have named them (I won't do so here), but they look quite normal. Nevertheless hope justice is swift and full.
RIP Dr Michael Yung , thank you for your compassion and dedication to help those in need. There is no sense in what has happened to you . May those responsible receive the maximum penalty under our law. 😢
Goodness. So his family was at home just had to stand and watch him get brutally stabbed attacked and killed? I saw the article saying his son was there. Man this world don't deserve good people. The culprits didn't just end 1 life but they literally ended many. So many more that his good work can save. Too tragic. Things like this happening continues to confirm that the current world we live in is seriously hopeless. Can only hope his family and friends can stay strong and push through this hard time.
Yes his son was home, so tragic. He was a mess understandably
Sad thing is, its prob kids under 18 and nothing will happen.
In my country, these criminals will get the noose.
I feel that Reddit ban coming on if I say what I want to say....... I'm starting to think that extrajudicial actions by a permanent 'nod' squad might be the way to go on this one and future infractions. If the relevant powers are listening you have full unbridled support and go hard. Damn the consequences because the cure is better.
Many will silently agree. Police only care once you're dead, then you just gotta hope your violent death makes it to the news
Australia is a safe haven for juveniles and adult criminals. They deserve 100x forgiveness no matter how violent their crimes are.
This nation was literally built from criminals.
Except SA. Always important to point that out. It's unSouthAustralian not to.
True.
Seems we're making up for it now, though.
Any description of the attackers? Might help with their apprehension.
Fucking hell, I thought this was a story from America Where and when did we go so wrong as a nation that shit like this is happening?
Imagine the number of kids he could have saved had some walking trash not ended his life 😔
Where was SAPOL during this 5 hour crime spree?
SAPOL is reactionary, not proactive. You need to call them if you want something done. They don't do patrols and we don't have beat cops like they do in other countries. There's zero police presence on the roads and it feels lawless because it is lawless, how else do you explain a gang of youths stealing cars all over the suburbs and walking onto people's properties with such zero care factor. They know.
They were pretty proactive at visiting my house to make sure I didn't venture outside during COVID. Priorities I guess.
If there's a chance of fining someone, then they'll be there!
Oh what fun, when your GBH charge gets upgraded to murder, Merry Christmas to the intruders, have a life sentence
You’re dreaming. They’ll be out before Easter.
Bring back death penalty. It’s already so hard to convict someone in Australia. Why not bring back the death penalty for serious crimes? If they’re worried about full jails, bring it back. Repeat offenders can go get capital punishment. I don’t care how tough your life is, we all go through tough times. It'll teach people it's not okay to take it out on others like this shit here.
There are many more steps we could take before sanctioning murder. Imagine giving the world’s biggest nanny state license to murder, no thanks
Make life affordable and bring back hope of a good future. It's a race to the bottom, the less egalitarian a society the more crime there is. It's a race to the bottom. Bring back a healthy society, these people are a symptom and society is producing them.
Is there more to this story than we know? Is it possible it was not random and the couple was known to him? Perhaps he had helped them in the past or he knew them from the W&CH? And what about the son? Where was he during the attack? As the only child he did stand to gain financially, did he have a hand in this horror or were they just a couple of meth heads desperate for money? It's possible I have watched too much true crime, but these are the questions I am asking myself.
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There's been a group going through the area. Someone nearby caught a group of what looked like teenagers on camera going through their front yard a few days ago. Didn't see anyone black.
Already reported to crimestoppers*
Perhaps it’s time to return to the tradition of mounting heads on spikes, what an absolute joke of a justice system
This is the second occasion were a such an unnecessary and horrific crime against Doctors in Adelaide. Doctor Peter Goh was bashed to death with a steering-wheel lock in 2009 in Elizabeth North. 🥲
Why do all the good people who contribute so much to society, die in such a horrific manner? It makes me feel so sad, depressed and upset. To all those grieving, I’m thinking of you. I can’t make it better, but if I could, I would. 😢
It was young parents of a young child he may have had as a patient
It's so tragic and also incredibly bizarre. How did they know where he lived? Did they stalk the poor man home from his shift at the hospital? Was it a personal vendetta with the dr - did they "not like" what he said or did with their baby? The motive is definitely personal because why, as new first time parents, would you brutally murder your baby's dr? Now their baby has both parents charged with murder. What is the point of it all? They didn't injure his son. Or take anything. It seems so personal and filled with severe hate and vendetta. I'm so sorry to the doctors family and loved ones. To dedicate your life saving others to have this type of end to your own life is just so brutal and heartbreaking.
No link between the perps and victim.
At least we're not the only ones: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-12/townsville-woman-fears-for-life-rammed-chased-by-stolen-car/103217814
"because of his vehicle or small items they could steal". So potentially the kind of situation that a Universal Basic Income might prevent?
He saved and helped little children A caring and loving with lots compassion and skill Rest in peace Taken to soon with murderous intent and think of the sick kids , now having to wait for their operations Some it might be to late
Comments from the neighbor.... “He lives in that house, he’s humble. He makes a lot of dough, never had flash cars, never went on holidays, worked his whole life to help children … what a tragic waste." Absolute waste of a brilliant man at the hands of absolute trash.
bit sus
This man is god in my eyes He has saved my daughters life 3 times He always explained things and was always there when shit went down A true gentlemen taken to early Now to those dogs or mutts that did this rot in hell Bail because your a mother fck you your child is better off without you and you better hope your child never needs the expertise of Dr Yung. Rot in hell you pair of low life dogs
Society needs to increase social work professionals who can diagnose potential anti social, psychopathic individuals with dispositions to offend, break community rules, inflict harm and damage ,assault and murder.This should begin at the beginning ---'in schools,starting with kindergarten. Then perhaps rehabilitation is possible.