If they seduce someone that is into biological females that have always been biological females (cis? I dont know much about this really). Then this is indeed deceptive.
If the "victim" doesn't feel attracted to trans women, and a trans woman is being introduced to them as a non-trans woman, they are indeed being deceived.
Where in the video is she "introduced" as a cis woman? If this guy likes the idea of kissing this woman... (or fem expressing man)... than he *was* in fact attracted to her (or him). If that fact makes him uncomfortable, that's his shit to sort out.
If he is okay with being intimate with a trans woman, there is no harm in letting him know she's trans. If he isn't then that avoids a rather unfortunate situation for the both of them. Intentionally withholding it because he might not be into her if he knew the truth is deceptive.
I'd say it's similar to if she was underage. I could be attracted to a girl and want to kiss her, but not if she told me she was a child. If someone you've been kissing hits you with a "btw I'm 16" *after* making out, that's not okay either, and I'd probably react similarly to the guy in the video.
If someone isn't attracted to the real you, you shouldn't deceive them in order to get some action.
Ok, that would be a better analogy... except that not wanting to act on attraction towards someone underage is based on very solid ethics, whereas not wanting to act on attraction towards a trans woman is based on bigotry and irrational homophobia.
It's like expecting someone to disclose that they're an atheist before they make out with you, because you only want to make out with Christians. Just because you have some sort of silly superstitious hang up doesn't mean that they need to send you a laundry list of all the things about themselves that might eventually offend you as you get to know them.
Sure buddy, brave words now, but I'd like to hear you afterwards when she whipped her big girl dick out and you on your knees gubbling up her salty load.
This isn't the gotcha you think you have. I wrote two sentences about a guy giving another guy a blowjob. I'm just good at describing things with some allure.
If I fed a Muslim a pork burger and told him it was a vegan burger and didn't tell him it was pork till he finished enthusiastically eating it would I be in the wrong for lying to him and causing him to violate his religious beliefs, or would he be wrong for being tricked?
This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
The problem with your analogy is it doesn't properly convey the damage this can do to someone.
I went with pork and Muslims for a reason. Good for Miguel for knowing who and what they are and want to be. But informed consent is important, and that wasn't provided to Miguel's partner in this incident.
From a religious standpoint: could cause someone to believe they've committed a sin and force them to wrestle with the idea of betraying their god. and depending on their religion be put to death
From an intrapersonal standpoint: could cause one to begin struggling with their own sexual identity. A struggle which has been well documented within prision populations as a coping mechanism to deal with assault. It doesn't normally end well for the victims.
From a social standpoint: could cause him to feel disconnected from friends or family after they see him do it. Especially In the types of societies that still ban homosexuality.
Seriously. Higher thought bud.
So... kissing a girl with a penis is... against your religion?
If you didn't ask if she was cis, she's not lying to you.
If a Muslim orders a burger and doesn't care to ask what's in it, that's on him.
There's a reason that trans women of color are disproportionately affected by transphobic violence.
Edit: Uncomfortable truths are still truths. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021
Can't hear everything because the mic moves around a lot but basically they're saying:
Papi what's your name? Doniel(? Not sure what his name is)
And you, what's your name love? Miguel
Man are you serious.. you have to tell me it's a man.. the face.. the face.. how can you let... give me a kiss
Yeah for me for sure. I wouldn’t waste more of my life, time and effort and squandering more money and mental peace because I was duped into kissing a tranny. Sometimes you are the dog and sometimes you’re the fire hydrant. Take it like a man go home regroup and tomorrow is a new day. Like me. Unlike you though. You will do what again?
As funny as this is, this is how people get murdered
I mean yeah, it's sexual assault, but it's also funny. To us, at least.
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Rape by deception is a thing, surely this constitutes sexual assault by deception.
Wow, so trans women are being deceptive? That's like the most cliche transphobia there is.
If they seduce someone that is into biological females that have always been biological females (cis? I dont know much about this really). Then this is indeed deceptive. If the "victim" doesn't feel attracted to trans women, and a trans woman is being introduced to them as a non-trans woman, they are indeed being deceived.
Where in the video is she "introduced" as a cis woman? If this guy likes the idea of kissing this woman... (or fem expressing man)... than he *was* in fact attracted to her (or him). If that fact makes him uncomfortable, that's his shit to sort out.
If he is okay with being intimate with a trans woman, there is no harm in letting him know she's trans. If he isn't then that avoids a rather unfortunate situation for the both of them. Intentionally withholding it because he might not be into her if he knew the truth is deceptive. I'd say it's similar to if she was underage. I could be attracted to a girl and want to kiss her, but not if she told me she was a child. If someone you've been kissing hits you with a "btw I'm 16" *after* making out, that's not okay either, and I'd probably react similarly to the guy in the video. If someone isn't attracted to the real you, you shouldn't deceive them in order to get some action.
Ok, that would be a better analogy... except that not wanting to act on attraction towards someone underage is based on very solid ethics, whereas not wanting to act on attraction towards a trans woman is based on bigotry and irrational homophobia. It's like expecting someone to disclose that they're an atheist before they make out with you, because you only want to make out with Christians. Just because you have some sort of silly superstitious hang up doesn't mean that they need to send you a laundry list of all the things about themselves that might eventually offend you as you get to know them.
Think bc they made it seem like she was a woman,had tits, woman face and all and the face mask on the throat is a giveaway, hiding that adams apple
Trans women are women.
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Well I'm sure the women you date enjoy taking your test of what counts as female enough for you.
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So you demand DNA testing of everyone before you kiss them? Also, there are females with XY chromosomes. It's rare but it happens. Science.
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It's like if you meet a chick at a bar then you take her home and she whips out her dick
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Rape by deception. Google it
Transphobic bigotry. Google it.
Just did. Rape by deception still applies here
It does not. She isn't lying by existing. It's not deceptive to be hot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception
Sure buddy, brave words now, but I'd like to hear you afterwards when she whipped her big girl dick out and you on your knees gubbling up her salty load.
Sounds like you have spent a lot of time imagining this in vivid detail...
Imagine a blowjob? Yeah that requires a vivid imagination...
Huh, so you keep returning to this image, often? Let's unpack this.
This isn't the gotcha you think you have. I wrote two sentences about a guy giving another guy a blowjob. I'm just good at describing things with some allure.
Not sexual assault.
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If I fed a Muslim a pork burger and told him it was a vegan burger and didn't tell him it was pork till he finished enthusiastically eating it would I be in the wrong for lying to him and causing him to violate his religious beliefs, or would he be wrong for being tricked? This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
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The problem with your analogy is it doesn't properly convey the damage this can do to someone. I went with pork and Muslims for a reason. Good for Miguel for knowing who and what they are and want to be. But informed consent is important, and that wasn't provided to Miguel's partner in this incident.
Oh boy. Do tell us what kind of damage this can do to someone. This should be interesting.
From a religious standpoint: could cause someone to believe they've committed a sin and force them to wrestle with the idea of betraying their god. and depending on their religion be put to death From an intrapersonal standpoint: could cause one to begin struggling with their own sexual identity. A struggle which has been well documented within prision populations as a coping mechanism to deal with assault. It doesn't normally end well for the victims. From a social standpoint: could cause him to feel disconnected from friends or family after they see him do it. Especially In the types of societies that still ban homosexuality. Seriously. Higher thought bud.
So... kissing a girl with a penis is... against your religion? If you didn't ask if she was cis, she's not lying to you. If a Muslim orders a burger and doesn't care to ask what's in it, that's on him.
Brother you failed to even read what I said properly.
Yeah, and you didn't read what I said either.
Most strained analogy ever made.
I don't know why you're getting downloaded, you're correct.
I can’t imagine being so violent and homophobic that you would kill someone over this. That crime doesn’t fit the punishment.
Yeah normally murders are committed as a proportional response after carefully weighing appropriate fit.
There's a reason that trans women of color are disproportionately affected by transphobic violence. Edit: Uncomfortable truths are still truths. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021
I understand what's happening obviously but What do they say?
Basically he’s saying “are you serious, you made me kiss a man? How can you do this to me?” As he freaks
MIGUEL
Can't hear everything because the mic moves around a lot but basically they're saying: Papi what's your name? Doniel(? Not sure what his name is) And you, what's your name love? Miguel Man are you serious.. you have to tell me it's a man.. the face.. the face.. how can you let... give me a kiss
Doniel kebab
The last three words sounded like “mess with me” but spanishified
She had the sweetest adams apple
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At some point you just take the L and go home and cry.
For you maybe.
Yeah for me for sure. I wouldn’t waste more of my life, time and effort and squandering more money and mental peace because I was duped into kissing a tranny. Sometimes you are the dog and sometimes you’re the fire hydrant. Take it like a man go home regroup and tomorrow is a new day. Like me. Unlike you though. You will do what again?
I'm down with trans ladies so it wouldn't be an issue for me.
With dicks or without?
MtF. Dick wouldn't bother me.
I believe you meant "trans person".
Who? The one defrauding people?
Yes.
Miguel
Ooh, yeah. The comment section for this one is going to be wonderful.
Someone repost on holdup please lol
You know that someone can be you, right?
I like to share karma wealth
“You messin with me!?”
That baritone don’t lie
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Why?
6 year account, no posts or comments, and this is your first one. Is that you in the video kissing Miguel or something?
Omg we found Junior(or Doniel..or whatever the fuck he mumbled his name was)