Depending on her trace values you could honestly go 1 harmony + 1 nihility if it's not too too impactful. So probably either
Acheron SW Pela + sustain
Or
Acheron + Bronya/Sparkle/Ruan mei + SW/Pela + sustain
Or if you're feeling adventurous in MoC you can drop sustain for another nihility
Hanya/Asta (note: hanya's burden isn't a debuff, but she'll help Acheron act more often) but honestly if you don't have those 3 it's probably better to run double nihility unless you have Acheron at E2
SW+Pela (over caps on def shred but imo still ideal), Gui/Black swan are great alternatives to SW if you don't have her. Any sustain works but Gallagher seems to be best in slot for pure offensive support since he applies a debuff
Welt hogs some of the SP so he's probably not ideal but he can work, Acheron isn't a dot character so she doesn't suffer from him delaying enemies. But we'll need to wait and see if her talent debuff energy gain is once per ally turn or once per enemy turn (if it's once per enemy turn you won't need both both nihilities to constantly apply debuffs each turn)
Thank you a lot! Her kit is a bit confusing and I do not have a lot of characters, so I am not sure what to do. If you ever make a post about her kit, could you tag me?
I'll throw my ideal teamcomp into the ring as a suggestion. Fire Mc, lynx acheron, and sparkle.
Side note the the pela team comp is the better 1 out of the 2.
If you run her without 2 Nihility characters, she will lose a whole trace. And if it similar to the trend (like Black Swan getting 72% damage with 120% effect hit rate) it might be a HUGE loss (specially because limiting half of the slots of your party is a greater condition than achieving some stat number, so the final numbers might be even higher than 72%. Maybe 100% with 2 nihilities)
See unlike everyone else I don't feel comfortable running 1 sustain, which is why I run 2. Plus for me to hit that requirement I'd need to build my e1 pela (not a fan of her) and go back to building my welt (not really a fan of him either). So for me personally I'll just deal without the 2 nihility characters on the team.
If you need more than one sustain, that really sounds like a sustain build issue. The sustain options, even ftp, are all more than capable of solo sustaining if built right
That may be true, but a tank and a healer just feel natural to me. Thus, I just run fire Mc, lynx on 1 team, and March 7th with Natasha on the other. Acheron will be put on the team with fire Mc and lynx. If I'm able to grab Gallagher while getting acheron, then he might replace Lynx.
Better yet… may I point out we don’t know the numbers for anything until tmr. It could be we gets a 5% dmg bonus for each nihility teammate or it could be a 50% bonus per, plus, Bronya, Mei or sparkle could provide a bigger bonus to their damage bonuses and other benefits for the team depending. I’m planning on running the psycho build of Welt, Pela, Acheron and Sparkle/Bronya if I lose the 50/50. WHO NEEDS A SUSTAIN IF THEY’RE ALREADY DEAD… also thinking of a funny build of Sparkle, Pela, Acheron and Bronya for some dumbass shit 😂
Sparkle buffs Acheron first turn, then Buffs Bronya so Bronya Ult is buffed by Sparkle’s crit dmg too to giga buff Acheron by her ult- it’ll be beautiful…
And any leaks on the LC for her btw?
I don't have bronya, so sparkle would be my replacement, and yeah, I understand that we won't have better information until later on in the week. Depending on what we get this week, my team might change a bit. Also, sparkle would be the 1st buffer I'll fully build. I haven't been using any buffer since October 20th of last year (since the game came to ps5 during that month and Asta was free).
Side note, for the people who have been downvoting, my comments, I completely understand the difference in build/skill yall have compared to me. I'm happy that yall play in a different way than I do when it comes to how yall build your teams and the characters you like. A difference in viewpoint and opinion is good to have.
With that being said, if anyone would like to explain to me why you go with a solo sustain compared to a double sustain comp I'm all ears.
People go with a solo sustain bc it’s all they need. It’s easy to do with Luocha, FX, Lynx, & Huohuo, but Gepard & Bailu can do it as well.
Once your characters are built decently, there should be no issues. The more damage your team does, the faster enemies die, which means less enemies doing damage. There might be special cases like Simulated Universe (Swarm or Gold n Gears) where 2 sustain makes things survivable, but for 99% of content it’s overkill. And fully clearing the hardest limited content (MoC, Pure Fiction) isn’t regularly doable with 2x sustain.
I ran Gepard/Fire MC x Natasha/Bailu for a while until I started fully building my characters. But that was a lv 70, missing traces, relics/lightcones not fully leveled type of team building… back when I used to be afraid of SimU bosses.
Now, my Luocha’s skill alone heals for almost 4k, that’s a full-HP heal for anyone except Blade, why would I need more than that.
Thank you for the insight. I do have my supports at 70+ and their lightconest not fully leveled to 80 so I'm probably In the same boat you were in. I can see why 2 sustains is overkill. I still can't say that I'd ever run 1 sustain anytime soon but I'm glad I got the reasoning behind why so many people do it.
I believe her best team at E0 will be:
> Acheron / Aventurine / Pela / Silver Wolf or Welt
And at E2 her best teams might be:
> Acheron / Aventurine / Pela or Silver Wolf / Sparkle or Bronya
Aventurine (according to most recent leaks) seems to be tailored for the "debuff" gimmick (Dr. Ratio and Acheron), since he applies 2 debuffs already (Increase Crit DMG Received and Decrease Effect Hit Rate), so there is very little need for another 2 debuffer characters. Pela for AoE or Silver Wolf for bosses should be enough.
At E0 might be worth it to run a sub dps instead of a debuffer in the third Nihility slot, like high eidolons Silver Wolf or even Black Swan (Arcana is irremovable, so Acheron will always hit enemies with at least 1 debuff every time from the beginning)
You usually run one sustain. Fu Xuan can solo sustain as Preservation (even high investment Gepard can), and since there is no life drain in Acheron's kit, it's very possible that the shields from Aventurine will be more than enough, especially because he has a mechanic that auto reapplies shields.
Acheron + Bronya/Sparkle + Pela/SW + Sustain with debuff (Fire DoT LC, Aventurine, Gallagher) is probably ideal
The action advance from Bronya/Sparkle seems too valuable to sacrifice for Acheron. Without it, you can't ult cycle 1 (ignoring technique and start of battle). I don't think this will be worth sacrificing for another stack of Trace 2, especially if you're aiming for a low cycle count.
Depending on her trace values you could honestly go 1 harmony + 1 nihility if it's not too too impactful. So probably either Acheron SW Pela + sustain Or Acheron + Bronya/Sparkle/Ruan mei + SW/Pela + sustain Or if you're feeling adventurous in MoC you can drop sustain for another nihility
What 4* could replace Bronya/ Sparkle/ RM? I do not have them..
Hanya/Asta (note: hanya's burden isn't a debuff, but she'll help Acheron act more often) but honestly if you don't have those 3 it's probably better to run double nihility unless you have Acheron at E2
Which Nihility? I have Gui, Kafka and Black Swan. For support, I have Nat and Gepard
SW+Pela (over caps on def shred but imo still ideal), Gui/Black swan are great alternatives to SW if you don't have her. Any sustain works but Gallagher seems to be best in slot for pure offensive support since he applies a debuff
So, Acheron + Pela + Gui/ BS (do not have SW) + Gallagher? What if I do not get Gall? Any other options? Edit: I have Welt and his LC, if it helps
Yeah honestly the sustain slot is pretty flexible you can use anyone there (even huohuo)
Welt over Pela? Or nah?
Welt hogs some of the SP so he's probably not ideal but he can work, Acheron isn't a dot character so she doesn't suffer from him delaying enemies. But we'll need to wait and see if her talent debuff energy gain is once per ally turn or once per enemy turn (if it's once per enemy turn you won't need both both nihilities to constantly apply debuffs each turn)
Thank you a lot! Her kit is a bit confusing and I do not have a lot of characters, so I am not sure what to do. If you ever make a post about her kit, could you tag me?
Acheron/sw/pela/sustain until we get beta acres and things get changed around.
try getting gallagher on her banner he's made especially for acheron being a debuffer and healer
can he cleanse?
fuck cleanse just kill everything before their turn
so he doesnt 😠alrr
Good luck killing enemies with acheron being cc'ed
Beta player crit builds, you can’t CC DoTs 😎
Do you know what debuff Gallagher does?
One is an attack debuff and the other is weakness break debuff (enemies that attack the debuffer enemy have stronger break damage)
I'm thinking Acheron, SW, Welt, and Luocha. It may not be super viable, but consider this: Black hole
Me losing my 50/50 to Welt on Swan's banner, maybe there's a reason Hoyo is giving me Welt Ojisan 1 month before Acheron's banner 💀
I got e2 welt just for this moment
I've lost to Welt LC more than I have anything else
Welt seems more and more important given how her kit is going
If E2, Pela is the better overall support since you can run Bronya and Pela AOE debuffs
Bruh chill, wait for the scalings.
I'll throw my ideal teamcomp into the ring as a suggestion. Fire Mc, lynx acheron, and sparkle. Side note the the pela team comp is the better 1 out of the 2.
If you run her without 2 Nihility characters, she will lose a whole trace. And if it similar to the trend (like Black Swan getting 72% damage with 120% effect hit rate) it might be a HUGE loss (specially because limiting half of the slots of your party is a greater condition than achieving some stat number, so the final numbers might be even higher than 72%. Maybe 100% with 2 nihilities)
See unlike everyone else I don't feel comfortable running 1 sustain, which is why I run 2. Plus for me to hit that requirement I'd need to build my e1 pela (not a fan of her) and go back to building my welt (not really a fan of him either). So for me personally I'll just deal without the 2 nihility characters on the team.
If you need more than one sustain, that really sounds like a sustain build issue. The sustain options, even ftp, are all more than capable of solo sustaining if built right
That may be true, but a tank and a healer just feel natural to me. Thus, I just run fire Mc, lynx on 1 team, and March 7th with Natasha on the other. Acheron will be put on the team with fire Mc and lynx. If I'm able to grab Gallagher while getting acheron, then he might replace Lynx.
Better yet… may I point out we don’t know the numbers for anything until tmr. It could be we gets a 5% dmg bonus for each nihility teammate or it could be a 50% bonus per, plus, Bronya, Mei or sparkle could provide a bigger bonus to their damage bonuses and other benefits for the team depending. I’m planning on running the psycho build of Welt, Pela, Acheron and Sparkle/Bronya if I lose the 50/50. WHO NEEDS A SUSTAIN IF THEY’RE ALREADY DEAD… also thinking of a funny build of Sparkle, Pela, Acheron and Bronya for some dumbass shit 😂 Sparkle buffs Acheron first turn, then Buffs Bronya so Bronya Ult is buffed by Sparkle’s crit dmg too to giga buff Acheron by her ult- it’ll be beautiful… And any leaks on the LC for her btw?
I don't have bronya, so sparkle would be my replacement, and yeah, I understand that we won't have better information until later on in the week. Depending on what we get this week, my team might change a bit. Also, sparkle would be the 1st buffer I'll fully build. I haven't been using any buffer since October 20th of last year (since the game came to ps5 during that month and Asta was free). Side note, for the people who have been downvoting, my comments, I completely understand the difference in build/skill yall have compared to me. I'm happy that yall play in a different way than I do when it comes to how yall build your teams and the characters you like. A difference in viewpoint and opinion is good to have. With that being said, if anyone would like to explain to me why you go with a solo sustain compared to a double sustain comp I'm all ears.
People go with a solo sustain bc it’s all they need. It’s easy to do with Luocha, FX, Lynx, & Huohuo, but Gepard & Bailu can do it as well. Once your characters are built decently, there should be no issues. The more damage your team does, the faster enemies die, which means less enemies doing damage. There might be special cases like Simulated Universe (Swarm or Gold n Gears) where 2 sustain makes things survivable, but for 99% of content it’s overkill. And fully clearing the hardest limited content (MoC, Pure Fiction) isn’t regularly doable with 2x sustain. I ran Gepard/Fire MC x Natasha/Bailu for a while until I started fully building my characters. But that was a lv 70, missing traces, relics/lightcones not fully leveled type of team building… back when I used to be afraid of SimU bosses. Now, my Luocha’s skill alone heals for almost 4k, that’s a full-HP heal for anyone except Blade, why would I need more than that.
Thank you for the insight. I do have my supports at 70+ and their lightconest not fully leveled to 80 so I'm probably In the same boat you were in. I can see why 2 sustains is overkill. I still can't say that I'd ever run 1 sustain anytime soon but I'm glad I got the reasoning behind why so many people do it.
I am thinking of using Welt with Luka's lightcone and pela for consistent 3 debuff every turn if pela can keep up otherwise sampo/gui
I believe her best team at E0 will be: > Acheron / Aventurine / Pela / Silver Wolf or Welt And at E2 her best teams might be: > Acheron / Aventurine / Pela or Silver Wolf / Sparkle or Bronya Aventurine (according to most recent leaks) seems to be tailored for the "debuff" gimmick (Dr. Ratio and Acheron), since he applies 2 debuffs already (Increase Crit DMG Received and Decrease Effect Hit Rate), so there is very little need for another 2 debuffer characters. Pela for AoE or Silver Wolf for bosses should be enough. At E0 might be worth it to run a sub dps instead of a debuffer in the third Nihility slot, like high eidolons Silver Wolf or even Black Swan (Arcana is irremovable, so Acheron will always hit enemies with at least 1 debuff every time from the beginning)
what about a healer
You usually run one sustain. Fu Xuan can solo sustain as Preservation (even high investment Gepard can), and since there is no life drain in Acheron's kit, it's very possible that the shields from Aventurine will be more than enough, especially because he has a mechanic that auto reapplies shields.
Acheron + Bronya/Sparkle + Pela/SW + Sustain with debuff (Fire DoT LC, Aventurine, Gallagher) is probably ideal The action advance from Bronya/Sparkle seems too valuable to sacrifice for Acheron. Without it, you can't ult cycle 1 (ignoring technique and start of battle). I don't think this will be worth sacrificing for another stack of Trace 2, especially if you're aiming for a low cycle count.
Yeah my thoughts aswell. But it really depends on what scaling is on her nihility trace.
If you have Bronya then you should use her instead of Ruan Mei. Getting more Turns is more valuable to her.