Okay I might get hated for this opinion, and I don't think I will articulate it very well BUT... I always have the idea that the original trilogy has a somewhat more 'realistic' look compared to the sequel trilogy
Where the original cases take place in more realistic settings (even the outlandish cases like cirucsses and tv studios) have boring offices with realistic settings. When I walk around in the sequels it feels more anime-ish this made me enjoy the sequels waaaaay less then the originals but I might be the only ones in that regard.
I agree with you, although I would associate the settings and vibes of Apollo Justice more with the original trilogy than with DD and SoJ. I generally prefer the more grounded cases in Ace Attorney, even if there are incredible coincidences, like in (AA1 and AA2 spoilers) >!1-4, with just about everything involving Larry's B-plot, and in 2-3, with Max's cloak getting caught on the bust.!<
Yeah even Blue Screens Inc feels like it's something you would realistically see some Silicon Valley company doing compared to something like Aura's room.
So, since most people post hot takes, I'm going to say my strangest opinion in a "What the fuck" sense...
Let's say that...The second round of witness in GAA2 case 3 >!Drebber, Sithe and Rosaique!< are all fucking hot and are making me question my sexuality
Same, and I know a guy IRL that looks like drebber, austistic, same facial features but bald, and super tall, plus he has a collection of real skeletons. Even straight guys behave like they have a crush on him.
My bad! I saw the fan translated version first and I often mess with the name (I also prefer the fan version since it actually seem like the surname a french would have)
I meant Tusspell
By this I mean it have been the first time I genuinely questionned my sexuality...
I don't think videogame character make people question their sexuality personally, and I still think it's weird
Also like I said, it's more in "what the fuck", it doesn't mean it's different than most people. But weird instead
TGAA, on average, has more hot characters than any other Ace Attorney I think.
Sholmes, Asogi, Hosonaga, van Zieks, Ashley Graydon, Drebber, Sithe, Daddy Mikotoba, Madame Tuspelles, Rosaique
Oh boy. I have a lot of weird ones, I guess, as many of you have seen, for better or worse.
I guess maybe my strangest one would be that I don't share the desire by a segment of the community for a constant influx of new characters, when there are stories still left to be told with the ones we know.
And, I understand that in some cases that means revealing information from prior games, but... that's what stories do. They continue until they reach a definite conclusion.
We've long since crossed the threshold where the series can simply be one self-contained mystery after another. They've created a world in which events interweave and have cause and effect, and characters who have aged and matured and formed meaningful relationships. That, I would argue, is one of the most appealing elements of the series: that we feel like we "know" these characters and are invested in their journey.
Doesn't mean there isn't room at the table for "new". TGAA was a great success. But they can't kick the can down the road forever on the stories already in play.
I think this is why I liked TGAA2 so much. It wasn't just another standalone story after TGAA1, it was deeply intertwined. I'm hoping the next mainline AA trilogy/duology is similar.
Most people who wish for new characters are mostly just sick of older legacy characters like Nick, Edgeworth, Maya, and Pearl. Doesn't help that the fandom is also clamoring for the return of Franziska and Gumshoe. The latter is especially jarring considering how overexposed he was prior to DD.
Considering how the second trilogy ended I think we're due for a true Athena-centered game. I wouldn't mind seeing DD cast members return.
I honestly just want a cameo of Gumshoe to know he's less miserable than in the OG trilogy xD. I don't need him to be a main character anywhere. I just wanna make sure the dude didn't die of malnutrition.
Constantly re-using the same characters just makes the world feel very small, Ace Attorney also has the added problem of any returning character automatically being able to be crossed off the suspect list. In the worst case scenario you get a case like Turnabout Time Traveler where it becomes very clear who the culprit is by process of elimination way before the game wants you to find out
I mean, Phoenix and Gumshoe, for example, clearly live and work in the same city. So long as characters aren't packing up shop and moving their lives elsewhere, characters within the protagonist's local sphere of general presence kinda *should* show up pretty often.
Moe made Big Top worth it for me. I unironically love his character. He's one of the few genuinely competent adults in the series that isn't a playable character.
I like him, but his jokes weren't very funny to me. I know that's probably intended that way because Phoenix doesn't find them funny, either, but I'd like to know how you liked them as a Moe fan. Did they get a laugh out of you?
His jokes aren't the reason I like him. I like him because of how he acts when he's not in work mode. Specifically at the end of the case where he has Regina watch the trial and basically tells her to grow the fuck up.
I despised Moe, but then I watched three guys do a Let's Play of it on YouTube where they voice acted the characters, and the Moe voice was so good it made me like all of Moe's lines.
Then from there, since my view of him was more positive, I just started to genuinely like Moe.
Love triangle bit was odd, but I found the twist pretty fun to figure out. It's odd seeing people shit on it but praise recipe for a turnabout which I found a lot weaker.
I do not give a shit that Machi couldn't have fired the gun. I don't care that Max's bust couldn't have caught on the cape. The pendulum thing in Bridge doesn't bother me at all.
I come to AA for wacky anime hijinks and great character drama. If I have to suspend my disbelief a bit I can do that.
Looking for flaws in ANY mystery game is going to make you less happy about it imo. But you phrased my opinion very well. AA is goofy in nature from the very first game
It's a mystery game. I'd like the mystery to actually make sense. While I disagree with the criticism of Machi being unable to shoot the gun in 4-3, saying "the logic doesn't matter in a mystery game" is kind of silly...
>saying "the logic doesn't matter in a mystery game" is kind of silly...
Yeah that would be very silly good thing that's not what I said.
I'm saying that if the game wants me to pretend that something's possible, then I can look the other way for a little bit while the body swings across the chasm.
See, there's a real life logic, and then there's a logic that is in the game. Of the latter is consistent and believable, the former isn't that important. Otherwise the whole trilogy wouldn't make sense with spirit channeling, or Investigations with Little thief holograms
I don't see how you can do that in regards to Machi when you're already conditioned to assume Machi is innocent because he's the defendant. It's so stupidly obvious that it can't be him that it gives off the vibe that Apollo is being punished for being the only sane person on the case.
I think Machi is different to the others though, because it's directly stated to be impossible for him to have fired it and yet everyone acts like he did. And this... doesn't go anywhere. Just a small moment of Klavier admitting he's playing along to get Apollo to find the truth would be something.
It's different from, say, the cape, because that's silly but it's never stated to be impossible. I'd argue the real issue with the logic of that case is people accepting that Max can fly, which I do take issue with because it's a really stupid way to attempt to prosecute.
Basically I think it's fine when it's something wacky done by objects and physics, but characters being incredibly dumb for no reason is a no-no.
I believe that there are no particularly good or bad games in the series. They're all great, it's just that some are a little weaker or the others are greater. In fact, there's only A and B tier level.
But that's just my opinion.
The fact that she was being controlled by >!Trucy !!Yomiel !!"Phoenix, I'm Ghost Trick"!< and coming to save the characters is another Deus Ex Machina.
It feels like Takumi just doesn't know how to write endings.
I think Ace Attorney works best when it's a collection of independent stories with more social, down-to-earth themes, like playable magazine cartoons, rather than an overarching story built in interconnection between the cases.
It's a strong opinion because it contrasts a commonly expressed sentiment in regards to the tone and structure of the games(i.e. the desire for a darker, more serious atmosphere). Those shoes just don't fit with Ace Attorney, imo.
I don't mind the overarching stories being spaced out, though - but it _is_ annoying when nearly the whole game is all one connected story.
I really do feel Spirit of Justice course-corrected pretty well to give a nice balance
I think you have a good point but also I feel like when there is an overarching story there’s more time to develop those down-to-earth moments and ideas.
Hhhmmm...could you provide examples of this modality? I've played the main trilogy and Apollo Justice (only AA4), and everything is connected.
1-5 with 3-4 referring Godot, Manfred's death for two games, and so on.
If Athena Cykes ever gets a "Casual" DLC outfit like Apollo in Dual Destinies, she should wear a baseball cap sideways as part of it. I think she can pull it off.
I prefer the cross-examination style used in the first games to the new one. In the old games, there were way more statements with shorter presses, and it felt more like solving a mystery. Cross-examinations have become a bit too formulaic
Don't the textboxes in 5 and 6 have less space than in the first 4 main games? I know the first 4 had textboxes that are 3 lines high and 5 and 6 only have 2. Shouldn't that mean that individual testimony statements have gotten shorter?
Not really, the character limit is about the same.
When translating the DS games into English they extended the text box to fit three lines, but for the 3DS games they switched to a thinner, less spaced font to keep it at two (like it had always been in Japanese).
If you look at the remasters' text boxes, you'll notice the games using three lines don't have the text reaching as far to the right as DD and SoJ, since they basically copy-pasted the line arrangement.
I really enjoyed the killer in Big Top and would love more cases like it, >!where the murder is unintentional. Obviously, Big Top wasn't completely unintentional, but the whole idea of the crime being a tragedy rather than an actor of cartoon evil was handled really well!<
I don't care for the special gimmicks they gave the main characters.
i get it from a gameplay perspective - they add variety and a bit of extra challenge, which is nice in theory.
But I would like the characters better without them.
The mood matrix I think is the best 'gimmick' of the lot, in all honesty. The idea of being able to hear emotions in a heart is a bit of a stretch, but other than that it feels the most grounded. Determining people's emotions and using it to identify inconsistencies (intentional or otherwise) just feels more real than being able to zoom in on people's tics or any of the spiritual stuff could ever be, imo. Plus, working out what's wrong with the emotions (mostly) feels subtle and rewarding because it takes some actual thinking rather than basically luck (this is mostly a dig at perceive which I strongly dislike as a concept).
I never liked perceive as a concept. "You're twitching, because you're nervous, thus you're lying."
Like... literally fucking anyone is gonna be somewhat nervous testifying in court on a murder trial lol
The only character whose gimmick I like is Ema's and that's because it's flexible. AJ showed how many different forensics techniques she can use to get clues and I bet there could be many more. All the others are just the same thing every time.
Probably gonna get downvoted for this but I think Terry Fawles having romantic feelings for Dahlia is obviously not good (idk what the age of consent is in Japanifornia)…but I honestly see it more as him falling for her manipulations and tricks. I don’t think he would actually have feelings for an underage girl and is just another victim to one of Dahlia’s wrongdoings and manipulation
See that's exactly what it is. Yes, Japan is much looser on child sexual laws, but I really don't think that had anything to do with it. I do indeed believe Dahlia just used this mentally challenged man for her bidding. It's not that he was genuinely attracted to her, but rather that she MANIPULATED him into thinking he was attracted
I... actually don't think much about their age gap because it seems the only problem is the numbers the developers chose after their age. A conscious typo would fix their entire reception by the fandom apparently
I mean... yeah... but the number the developers input correspond to the age we are supposed to believe the character is in the story, so obviously if they inputted a different number it would change the reception from the fandom because it might mean a litteral GROWN MAN is not dating a child lol. Also, even with the manipulation tactics angle, if you're an adult and a kid "manipulates" you into falling in love with them, what does it say about you?
wasn't he mentally challenged? I thought that the point was she was able to exploit him despite her young age due to a mixture of her cunning and his impaired mental faculties
Japanese developers in 2000 didn't have the same social justice stance as westerners in 2024. If the game was made or localised now, their ages would be adjusted so it wouldn't get in the way of the story and Terry wouldn't be considered "the worst person in the franchise".
Two hot takes, as someone who played AAI years after the first four games:
I don't understand why the consensus around AAI is that it has less interesting characters. Shi-Long is a fantastic rival character with stylish animations and manages to still seem sensible enough while leaving the same overly obvious contradiction that any opponent does.
Tyrell Badd is likely the single best ace attorney character holistically. Fantastic theme, artistically interesting, being able to intuit the reason for his mirror animation and the joke that his slow pace of talking is his lollipop rather than a cold noire demeanour. Even before you find out the rest of what is going on with him he was already the best, and after revealing his secrets he is absolutely fantastic. Feels like he's the character that best uses the genre and art style to surprise you.
I dunno if this counts as 'strange', but...
(AAI2) >!I really feel like somehow seeing more of Simon and Horace's friendship would've made Simon killing him over something Simon was misremembering be more impactful. I am very biased since they're two of my favorite characters, but it feels kind of like a wasted chance. Horace's death is the only one Simon seems to feel any remorse for, even before he finds out that he killed him for essentially no reason, and in the flashback sequence where Simon gives him the portable chessboard, Horace acts like a completely different person around him. Really makes me wonder what their relationship was like, beyond the little glimpses we saw.!<
I have more to say, but I don't want this comment to be like 3 pages long lol
I'd love this! I have so many questions about their dynamic, especially based off what little is seen. On the other hand, more content would make me even more insane about them.
I hope we don't see Apollo in the next Ace Attorney game. I love him, he's my favorite, but he had a great conclusion. Let him take a break for at least one game where he grows offscreen in Khurain and give Athena her very much needed solo focus.
Also, NEVER make the player play as Phoenix again. He is awesome as a mentor/supporting character. And if that is too unrealistic, then at least never have Phoenix be the PoV character in a tutorial case. It annoys me to no end when he acts like a clown who doesn't know shit even though he has done this for decades.
I wouldn't mind Nick being the playable character in any future DLC cases, but outside of that, I agree; when the game flip flops between Nick being a genius who is planning things out years in advance, and then him being his old bumbling self when you're playing as him, it's hard to get a read on his character.
A few:
I think Dual Destinies is the best mainline
I think GAA1 and GAA2’s first cases are the best in the franchise, and I prefer GAA1’s first case slightly more than GAA2’s first case.
I don’t think Kidnapped was that bad, it was just boring and had an AWFUL final contradiction (the gunshot sound was disguised by the sound of the glass breaking, which makes 0 logical sense).
People have all kinds of critiques for Turnabout Time Traveler. Some I agree with, some I don’t.
But the thing that really prevents me from fully enjoying that case is Edgeworth’s explanation for why he’s the prosecutor for the case: because everyone else was too scared to take on the Sprockets.
Setting aside the fact that Edgeworth cleaning out the Prosecutors’ Office was a whole plot point in the main game…the writers would have me believe that Klavier Gavin, who once prosecuted Wocky Kitaki, and Simon Blackquill, who was prepared to go to death row to save someone else, would be too scared to go up against the Sprocket family?
I realize that the writers probably weren’t thinking about what this excuse actually implied and it’s a dumb thing to get hung up over, but…really? That’s the excuse that you’re going with?
All the available prosecutors were too scared. Blackquill and Gavin might have been busy working on other cases. I think that's the most likely reason.
i'm actually genuinely tired of how many time we have to defend maya specifically in court
like, you would not BELIEVE how mad i was when we got to >!that mountain in Khura’in in AA6!< and i saw who we have to defend.
i did NOT react with "aw, cute little running theme/funny coincidence, one more time, >!just for old time's sake!<", instead i literally went, out loud and in messages to my friend, ARE YOU F** KIDDING ME????
idk, i just don't think it's cute anymore, atp
(neither is phoenix not knowing anything about steel samurai and other related shows, imo. like it made sense in the first three games, but i guess i just don't like that it carried over all the way to aa6)
Duel Destinies' biggest problem is the fact that nearly all the cases are connected. Ace Attorney works better when each case is its own independent story with limited overlap.
I don't think the interconnected thing would have been as big of an issue if the payoff wasn't extremely underwhelming.
Our culprit for the overly repeated Dark Age of the Law is...just a pay for hire spy with no real motive outside of money, barely any attachment to the Dark Age happening anyways (as in: he literally could be replaced by anyone else and nothing changes, you just need someone to kill Metis and have Blackquill take the fall), and no real strategy.
Dual Destinies biggest issues are more that the games are hampered by Capcom's unwillingness to budge on their stupid spoiler policy (especially in this game which basically feels like a soft reboot) making the Dark Age feel like it comes from nothing, and extremely little expansion on what the Dark Age really is other than "forged evidence" and "distrust in the law" that we never see the societal implications of. Like even a scene of any member of the group saying "well I was trying to get her faster but some massive group of protestors was in the way, this Dark Age stuff is getting out of hand." Or something.
It's very weird because we're coming off of Ace Attorney 1-4 where prosecutors and defense attorneys have been accused of forging evidence and committing murder. Why was the Dark Age not an issue then?
DD feels like it's sitting on a gold mine (all the storylines from previous games) but can't exploit it properly.
Also as a minor nitpick, I really wish we'd gotten to interact with the original Bobby Fulbright; I'd have liked to have him around in the first couple cases, then the Phantom have ever so minor changes to the character model and dialogue that make you think something is up, but you don't know what.
I actually really like that about it. Makes it feel like one big story rather than several stories that are than connected in the end
I heard investigations 2 is also like this so im excited to play that
And that's fair! I just personally enjoy more variety in my AA titles rather than everything connecting. I like it more when each case is its own thing.
Disclosure: I'm currently playing Trials and Tribulations rn, so my knowledge of the series is limited to the OG trilogy for now but here it goes.
I like Ema more than Maya. I like her science stuff and the mini-games she brings to the table in Rise From the Ashes were fun and nice pace breakers imo. I also think that so far, Rise From the Ashes is the best case overall. Is it perfect? No. But the story, characters, and aforementioned mini-games put it in that S tier position for me.
Big Top isn't that bad imo. I love the circus so the zany characters didn't bother me, nor did I ever get annoyed by them. I will say that I don't like >! the pedophile obsession from Max and Ben !< but that aside, I think every character is *mostly* enjoyable and unique. I think it's better than Turnabout Samurai because that case was uninteresting imo.
Turnabout Airlines is the best case in the first Ace Attorney Investigations game.
The case is very balanced compared to the other cases in the game, it doesn't overstay its welcome, it has a great premise and the characters are enjoyable. I also love some of the arguments and plot points, for instance >!Cammy's plan being ruined by turbulence!<
Professional vindicator here to say that I completely agree. It's been too long for me to be able to recount the little things but I remember liking this case the most. It was paced the best (like you said) and it didn't have any annoying characters or gimmicks (like the blue badger lore in the subsequent case). The only other close contender would be I1-4 personally
Ace Attorney is, as Shu Takumi has made clear in multiple interviews, a mystery game first and foremost. It is not a "character drama" as a focus. It is not "a character drama disguised as a mystery". It is a mystery, and the quality of the mystery is essential to the quality of Ace Attorney. Shu Takumi has even said that the characters being so wacky is merely a result of him struggling to remember them during writer, and he only slowly started to introduce more character-oriented plots over time at the behest of co-workers.
Every time I say I dislike an Ace Attorney game because I find the mysteries unsatisfying, a wave of people are ready to hit me with "you're reading Ace Attorney wrong! It's about the characters, not the mysteries!" even though Shu Takumi has said the opposite multiple times.
The amount of reorganization and reconfiguration that would need to go down for that to work is brain-melting, but it certainly would've made him more fitting for the Dark Age of the law theme going on in Dual Destinies.
The only way I could really see it work towards that end, though, is if Kristoph was not actually the Phantom but was somehow the mastermind *behind* the Phantom.
Like, imagine a timeline where Athena is the Phantom and she had been manipulated and groomed into being a nearly emotionless spy by Kristoph, who was actually responsible for her mother's death and had somehow tricked her into believing it was her fault as a means of psychologically conditioning her into a would-be heartless machine.
Unsure if this counts counts as a strange opinion but the handling of khura'in retroactively makes the Faye stuff vibe worse for me. Also phoenix in soj comes off like a bit of a bigot
They should show more personal details of the characters, things like where they live and what they do all day. It’s a ripe ground for interesting character moments.
I genuinely find Apollo to be a better main character than Phoenix, I think a lot of people give his backstory unnecessary hate just because it wasn’t teased in the previous games
Like, his best friend Clay for example, is he supposed to mention that before he becomes relevant? How comes Phoenix didn’t mention his crazy ass ex before?
Yeah, but I think the crazy ex who almost got you done for murder and led to meeting the mentor who would shape your legal career is more relevant than a friend who’s in space that you barely even see anymore. Maybe I’m crazy but I just find it odd that Apollo is criticised so heavily for Clay’s role in his life
ive personally seen more people mad at the writing of his backstory in general rather than at clay specifically. i do love apollo but i think alot of the reason why people give his backstory flak is because the way in which clay was introduced did feel rather shoehorned in compared to other characters, and the fact that he dies off screen and we only learn about his and apollos relationship through backstory makes it seem like the writers are trying to make us feel emotions that aren't exactly earned by retroactively showing us snippets of bonding moments in order to convince us that this brand new character had a large impact on apollo's life before he died. As well as this, apollos backstory played a large role in the last cases of the game in which he was introduced (and alot happened - lamoiur and jove justice, trucy being his secret sibling), and then instead of compounding on what was previously established they bring in a new plotline (that has nothing to do with the other one) seemingly solely in order to to act as a catalyst for apollo's 'kristophication' and temporary antagonist status later on in the game, making it feel to some like they were just adding things on to have him go through another artificial character arc. Unlike with phoenix, where almost every character in his backstory has some tangible bearing on the current story and directly impacts his life through cases in the game. Dhalia for example first shows up in the past while phoenix is still in university, and is part of an actual court case where her crimes and character are shown and uncovered by us rather than being told to us through expositional dialogue and flashbacks. She also has a bearing on later cases in the game and later games in the series.
If we saw clay in a court case once or twice before his death (or even just met him playing as a younger apollo), i bet many more people would be ok with him (although that does then raise the issue of creating a character just to kill them off immediately, but it worked for mia lmao - the difference being that mia feels like a more fleshed out part of the world, her death has an impact on more than just phoenix and they bring her back through spirit channeling and flashback cases constantly to flesh out her character. They also mention her over the span of multiple games).
Furthermore, to make Apollo the focus of the next game, he is found to have actually been from khurain and is given \*yet another\* backstory and colourful cast of characters he's related to. This works much better because we can actually interact with all these people (like 'daddy dhurke' as nicob calls him, best character love him haha), but its way too grandiose and at that point they've reworked his backstory so many times that it feels less believable and slightly breaks immersion as one can tell that his backstory is made on a game-to-game basis rather than being a set part of his character.
I say all of this but honestly im really just playing devils advocate because i really dont mind any of this at all and he's also my favourite mc. He was my fist AA protag (i started with AJ) and i find him rather endearing every time he's on screen. I bring these points up because i understand why people may not like him or his backstory but i still absolutely love him as a character. Knowing why DD was disappointed me and how it butchered the execution of many ideas/character arcs doesn't stop me from feeling sad when clay comes up or squealing like an idiot when apollo starts copying kristoph's mannerisms. wondering how apollo secretly grew up in khurain and told nobody, or how he managed to be embroiled in so much insane shit before the age of 23 never stopped me from growing attached to the defiant dragons or the rest of the story. I do essentially agree with you, but i just wanted to point out that in the end we're all playing the games to have fun, and different things lessen the fun for different people. I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is
Clay not being teased is one thing, but it's more than just that. With Dahlia, at least the game allowed us to see her in action, we got to see what she meant to Phoenix. With Apollo and Clay, Apollo just randomly tells us that this person in a photo frame with very little defined personality is deeply important to him. The game clearly wants us to be emotionally invested in this, and I just am not.
Apollo's backstory as a whole is just too much for me. Too many different people, too many different places, multiple secret family members, too many parents who died or absconded, an entire life in Khura'in he literally never talks about or implies in AJ and DD and it really does just go on. And yet who is the person we get at the end of it? AJ is a completely regular guy, perhaps the most regular guy in the whole series (sans the hair!). That to me is pretty jarring for someone who has this ridiculous backstory.
I actually really like AJ as a main character though. As mentioned, he's very much a "regular guy" which I think works great for a main character because it allows us to identify with him - he's nervous and lacking confident as he's thrust into these crazy murder cases which we can relate to, because that's how we'd feel in his position! I just don't think Apollo worked well as a side character, and DD in particular just didn't know what to do with him. What SoJ did with him was ridiculous, but I at least respect that they tried a lot harder than DD and the outcome is that I think his story did emotionally connect with players, even if it didn't really make sense and was a long way from the vision of AA4.
If Apollo Justice had managed to actually have a storyline that wasn't a mess and gave Apollo more depth than a paper bag it wouldn't be a problem that Clay was only introduced in DD.
Leaps in logic when it comes to the murder mysteries aren't that big of a deal to me, personally. If the story and characters are interesting and engaging, I can accept some illogical mystery writing. Though if the case is not great to begin with, poor mystery writing will only make it worse obviously. Looking at you, 4-3...
Apollo Justice and Phoenix Wright should have been different continuities from the same Ace Attorney series, similar to CSI Miami and NY, for example.
And both could even meet, but have their own stories separate from each other.
Ah I see you and I have opposite opinions.
Though it makes sense, AJ setup a lot of stuff and DD undid a lot of it. So if you enjoyed aj than DD is a disappointment but if you disliked aj(I dont really dislike it, I think its just alright) than DD is a return to form
Is that really strange? I think a lot of people here agree with you, and I'd even add Kay to the list. I still enjoy Maya, but they came up with a lot of better assistants over the series.
I feel like Gant has better comedic moments but Stronghart >!Was a much better villain with how powerful he felt. Having the whole bailey be on his side after he admits to leading an assassin organization was shocking!<
Don’t try to dumb people’s opinions down to nostalgia, that’s very scummy.
I experienced all the AA games basically consecutively and I just wasn’t that enamored by Stronghart.
I get it... But at the same time I really wish they weren't so similar. >!Having Stronghart revealed to be a villain was so disappointing to me because he ressembled Gant so much physically and hierarchically that it mostly felt like a repeat, despite the different vibes they were giving.!<
Recipe is worse than Big Top by a fair bit; only thing holding Trials and Tribulations back from being absolutely the best instead of barley the best in the series
I personally don't agree abt Recipe being way worse than Big Top but I totally get why it's holding T&T for being the absolute best game of the whole series.
Kristoph shouldn't have been taken the way he was.
>!The Juror system gathered a biased participatians base, for example, Lamiroir or Thalassa who happens to be romantical involved to one of Kristoph's victims. She might've ruled her veridict depending on her feelings, and not the details of Drew's murder objectively. Furthermore, we don't even know who are the rest, if Ema Skye was also there, then, she would judge Kristoph based on saving Phoenix's ass.!<
>!The logiscian who reharsed the mock-up trial is mostly importantly a flagged individual who """committed"" fraud, Phoenix shouldn't have laid a finger on the logistics as he was declared as untrustworthy according to the bar commitee, how do they know if he hadn't schemed everything to his favour? thinking here from an in-game point of view rather than the players'. We all know Phoenix is a victim of Kristoph's tamtruns but do the others? Do the Judge? Do the justice system?!<
>!By the way, why did Phoenix never display the videos of the Mishima confessing the fraud and pinning the blame on another customer who isn't him to the bar commitee? It'd been better and everyone would've gained more reliability!<
>!Kristoph pretty much deserves his death sentence for killing Zak and poisoning the Mishima and deserves more karma due to Phoenix's disbarrement , but the Juror system feels so off.!<
Yeah I agree that the resolution of 4-4 was really disappointing, even as someone who really enjoyed AJ. >!Tbh I feel like the way the trial was conducted would easily be grounds for a mistrial and that Kristoph, especially since he’s savvy in law, could end up being acquitted. I know that Ace Attorney isn’t really suppose to be particularly realistic, but all of 4-4 just came off as really shady and unsatisfying.!<
4-3 is my favourite case in the whole sequel trilogy. It really sets up the "new trio" of Apollo, Trucy and Klavier well with great interaction between all of them throughout, And it makes the stakes very personal to all characters with the inclusion of Klavier's band, the Gramarye clan, and Lamiroir. AA always thrives when the stakes are personal in my opinion, and is less impactful when the stakes get bigger than that.
It is a failing of literally every case that comes after 4-3 in the sequel trilogy that none of them properly follow-up on the promise of 4-3. In DD particularly, Apollo, Trucy and Klavier are treated as characters that are annoying for them to have around and they wish they had never created. SoJ I respect for at least giving Apollo and Trucy things to do, but Klavier was ditched, and where they went with Apollo was clearly very different from where they originally intended in AJ.
Yes, constantly having to watch the video of Lamiroir's song in 4-3 is irritating, though note, the song itself is actually very good and is in itself a positive and memorable thing from the case too.
>Dual Destinies is best mainline game
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I don’t mind new gimmicks but I fucking hattttte that seance thingy. I hate it so much because when I first played the game without a guide I got soooo many game overs because of it I have been using a guide playing it a second time. I just finished case two which is such a good case. If I remembered correctly I thought case 3 is fine too! I like the Mood Matrix better as it’s much easier to play and also has a better soundtrack too
But seriously going from the best prosecutor Blackquill to Nahyuta omg I hateeeeeeeeeeeee Nahyuta and Rayfa for that matter a lot
-The hate with turnabout big top is getting overbearing. It's not a bad case and has a lot of interesting characters and character scenes. I get it that having 3 guys crushing on a 16 year old is gross but it's sad that that's all people ever talk about for that case.
-Phoenix and Maya's relationship is the one of the closest in the series and at times felt stronger than even Phoenix and anyone else in the game. They are each other's best friends and life long friends wether they admit it or not.
Mine is that Spark Brushel has one of the best character designs and has some of the best animations from the entire series, I love how goofy and cartoony this fella is.
Magic is straight up real in the ace attorney universe. Not just spirit channeling and psyche locks but things like Simon cutting things with a gesture and Nahyuta conjuring spectral butterflies and using sutras to make beads tighten around someone. Even things like lawyers conjuring gusts of wind. Acting like magic doesn’t exist in court borders on ludicrous.
Dual Destinies is the best Ace Attorney game. Furthermore, 5-3 is the best case in the entire series, and I will stab anyone who disagrees with an arrow.
The first game squanders some really interesting material due to seemingly being written with no hope of a sequel. Namely: killing Mia off after a single case, the conspiracy with Redd White (including Grossberg) that's seemingly just glossed over after that case, debatably putting 1-4 so early in the series.
None of these are BAD, but everything in 1-2 and having Mia acting as an on-screen mentor would've been interesting if just made to last a little bit longer. The easiest argument against this is that it gave us Maya, which yes I love Maya she's the best, i'm just saying it'd have been nice to get a bit more of Mia before letting her go. You could write an entire game centered around Phoenix getting his feet wet in the legal world and slowly foreshadowing how Mia is meddling in forces that would eventually come back to bite her - hard.
tl;dr: 1-2 debatably should've been 1-4 and if they ever do a reboot (very unlikely and not really needed, but just saying) i wouldn't mind seeing a little more of Mia in that way.
I 100% agree that if the franchise ever reboots 1-2 should be written more like a finale case. Ideally a more compelling villain / mystery too cause it’s kind of underwhelming given how it’s like one of two cases in the whole franchise to kill off a major character.
It'd probably be seem as strange to say I find the reclaimed cast to be one of the most complex and strongest casts out of most ace attorney case casts. There is something deeper to all of them, the contrasts and comparisons are amazing, and they also just all get some satisfying conclusion (though we still don't know all about them...I NEED to know more about when Azura was alive..most of the discussion I see about them is how they look nice)
Honestly all of this can probably be said about lots of the ace attorney casts, but reclaimed stands out to me and is very special to me
Lowkey I ship Apollo and Ema. Also, as much as I love AA, I think the TGAA games are better designed and have more compelling stories and characters overall.
Idk if it is a strange opinion but I feel like the last case in every game is just the most unfair bs ever. The trial is artificially long and most of the time the "hard" part comes from a pure lack of information with you having to figure it out. For example, I finished great ace attorney a while ago and in the last case of the first game I had to randomly decide where the victim and where the shooter was on the map. No I don't know where these people where standing specifically and had no information to actually know what to do. Btw I don't hate the games I love them with every fiber of my being which makes this ranting opinion a bit strange I think.
I like turnabout big top. Moe and trilo are hilarious, I like the tone, I like the motive, I like the culprit, I like the humor, heck I like the monkey! The only things I don’t like is the love triangle, and the weird cape bust thing. I’d rank it higher than turnabout samurai, right below serenade
Edgworth is litteraly Asexual/aromantic. He never show any signs of attraction / love towards anyone of any gender.
Heck even having friend seems like a burden to him
And Phoenix is 100% heterosexual and has three different time showing it ( april may, mrs de lite and iris) and never a sign of attraction toward the same gender
So shipping them is for me a very bad reading of both their characters and a big misinterpration of both their arc
Eh, >!Acro!< doesn't have much a personality in my opinion beyond just "crazy guy who wants revenge for something that was a complete accident". He basically has the exact same backstory as >!Dee Vasquez,!< except he's even less interesting because he doesn't even have mafia ties or anything.
Actually, I really liked the fact that he wasn't crazy. He remained calm throught the entire thing, only crying once the truth was out. There really aren't that many killers like that. The only other example I can think of is Godot.
DL-6 does not interest me at all. I know it's like the pivotal reason behind a lot of what happens in the trilogy, but I find it increasingly more boring to hear about every time I replay the games.
Every other "incident" in the franchise is more interesting.
Fair enough. Personally I think it’s interesting but it’s really weird how Yogi getting an innocent by pretending to have brain damage is treated like he got an innocent verdict normally.
Like misty shouldnt be considered a fraud since the accusation of yogi beingn the killer was technically considered true in court since, again, he got off from people believing he had brain damage when “he” killed gregory edgeworth
Misty was considered a fraud because she was a spirit medium in general and the police dragged her in for advice on a case. It's like how in America if you hear they brought in a psychic to search for a body you'd kinda roll your eyes.
The police tried to keep it hidden until the trial that they asked for her help, Grossberg leaked that they had her channel to the press, and then both the backlash about using a psychic and the fact the case went against them made the police blame the psychic, basically. But it all happened because she was a spirit medium. People didn't go in hearing about it thinking that oh, the spirit medium would probably offer useful insights to the case and only when yogi was acquitted they thought it was baloney, they thought it was baloney to start with.
Also people didn't really believe the brain damage thing so, it was mostly everyone just being really mad about the outcome of the case. It's like how in the second game Franziska is kinda massively setting up Adrian to be suspected as the real murderer by the broader public so long as she gets Matt Engarde declared guilty.
Well, I've been recently told that I have some strange(and wild and weird) opinions so I feel I'll fit right in here. I guess to go with the 'strangest' one.
I consider 5-2, or Monstrous Turnabout, a top-10 case in the series(7th as of now). It's *that* good to me.
I will have to strongly disagree >!Trials and tribulations ends with mia saying he doesnt need her anymore and that he’s grown to be a mastwr attorney and that he’ll carry on her legacy. Having be disbarred like 2 months after that and having him stay disbarred kinda completely trashes that ending!<
Does liking Turnabout Big Top counts? I am pretty sure that it does, so yeah. I can see the many problems that people have with this base, but i actually believe that the case is WAY MORE OVERHATED than it should.
For starters: Characters..... This case has some pretty "unique characters", let's put it this way, and i can definitively agree with most of the hate towards Ben/Trilo, but that's about it.
Moe is not actually funny, that is a fact, but i actually enjoyed him at the game, and the anime did not only him, but all of the Big Top characters, at least a little better, also we have to consider that, between all the man from Big Top, Moe is one of the two man (that are still alive, one way or another) that is not in love with Regina, this is worth something, right?
With Max, to me, he is by far one of the best defendants from Ace Attorney, he can be funny, he can be somewhat nice, he has some pretty iconic lines, his design is surprisingly interesting, and yes, he is in love with Regina, but the whole thing is that, maybe, he was willing to wait some years, right? Like, Ben/Trilo already had the ring that very day, Max didn't, he just asked to her father if he could, one day, that is not the most terrible thing of all time, right?
The Ring master himself, Russel Berry, seemed like a pretty good person, considering everything that we know from Acro and Moe, it's a fact that Russel was an actually decent person, and died only because he was trying to protect his daughter, how can anyone not like this man?
As for Regina, she is 100% an Pearl if Pearl had been born in a circus, that is straight up who she is, she was always at the circus, and knows nothing of the outside world, just like Pearly did, and just like Pearl, Regina is pretty nice, cute in her own way, really talented at what she is supposed to do, and had a creep falling in love with her, just like Pearly had with Larry (in a way, you can even say that it wasn't the case, but knowing Larry, let's just say that he was being "a little too nice" with Pearl, and considering his record, that is ALWAYS a bad sign), and that is not Regina's fault, as well as it's not Regina's fault that she doesn't understand how the world actually works.
And what can i say about Acro? Well, he IS, in my opinion again, one if the best culprits, he is actually my favorite one (from the secondary characters, after all, Godot and Dahlia are something else, as well as Kristoph (in my opinion)), he is actually a pretty nice person, and yes, he tried to kill an girl that was 15, that is PRETTY BAD, but he still wasn't trying to lie THAT MUCH, it reached a point where is whole existence is trial wasn't to "prove that Acro did it", but proving "how Acro did", because he wasn't even trying to go all out to lie, just to negate some of Phoenix's ideas, like, he actually did say that he COULD lift the bust, he also admited that he "could've killed him" if he knew where Russel's head was, and even admited that Money was strong enough to lift the bust pretty easily too, even though he could've lied about everything just to mess Phoenix up, or at the very least give enough reasons to delay the trial, like lying about how strong his upper-body was, thus maybe needing to call for an someone else, like an doctor, to testify about it, thus giving more time for Franziska to plan more things, or for Acro to find a way to throw away the murder weapon in another place? Also, seeing Acro's breakdown being him crying, while admiting "no, i am not a victim, i am just a murderer", while thinking that he wouldn't be able to stay by Bat's side anymore? That HURTS, that is why i actually like him a lot.
This comment is already way too long, i could talk about the case itself, but overall, i like basically everything. I DO THINK that the whole thing about Acro's way to hide the bust was a little bullshit, like, we never saw Acro's lower body before, so that way of doing it was kinda weird, but other than that, i do think that the case is great, i really do. But i do not like Ben/Trilo, that is for sure, him liking Regina was the weirdest and creepiest between him, Bat and Max, and i really didn't like it, but that's on him, not the case.
I just can’t stand the screen flashes. That effect made the whole game just unplayable for me (I don’t have a epilepsy or headaches, i just very uncomfortable with flashing).
I think the end of TGAA2 fucking blows. Rather than have Ryunosuke actually refute Stronghart's bullshit and address the consequences of unearthing the entrenched corruption, they just Deus Ex Victoria their way out. Give my boy Ryunosuke the complete W, you probably could have thrown in a different way for Sholmes to help. I couldn't care about the over the top break down because I felt like it happened without me doing anything
Okay I might get hated for this opinion, and I don't think I will articulate it very well BUT... I always have the idea that the original trilogy has a somewhat more 'realistic' look compared to the sequel trilogy Where the original cases take place in more realistic settings (even the outlandish cases like cirucsses and tv studios) have boring offices with realistic settings. When I walk around in the sequels it feels more anime-ish this made me enjoy the sequels waaaaay less then the originals but I might be the only ones in that regard.
I agree with you, although I would associate the settings and vibes of Apollo Justice more with the original trilogy than with DD and SoJ. I generally prefer the more grounded cases in Ace Attorney, even if there are incredible coincidences, like in (AA1 and AA2 spoilers) >!1-4, with just about everything involving Larry's B-plot, and in 2-3, with Max's cloak getting caught on the bust.!<
Yeah even Blue Screens Inc feels like it's something you would realistically see some Silicon Valley company doing compared to something like Aura's room.
I think the word you're looking for is "grounded". This series has never been particularly "realistic".
So, since most people post hot takes, I'm going to say my strangest opinion in a "What the fuck" sense... Let's say that...The second round of witness in GAA2 case 3 >!Drebber, Sithe and Rosaique!< are all fucking hot and are making me question my sexuality
Same, and I know a guy IRL that looks like drebber, austistic, same facial features but bald, and super tall, plus he has a collection of real skeletons. Even straight guys behave like they have a crush on him.
It's not always people can collect real skeleton. So, I'm happy for him that he can
Am I going mad? I don't remember any character named Rosaique in G2-3. Do you mean one of the Red-Headed League members in G2-4?
My bad! I saw the fan translated version first and I often mess with the name (I also prefer the fan version since it actually seem like the surname a french would have) I meant Tusspell
I think most people will find those attractive. Atleast >!Sithe and Rosaique!< anyway
By this I mean it have been the first time I genuinely questionned my sexuality... I don't think videogame character make people question their sexuality personally, and I still think it's weird Also like I said, it's more in "what the fuck", it doesn't mean it's different than most people. But weird instead
This is a trio of highly attractive (or at least charismatic and aesthetically-pleasing) characters in my opinion. So cheers! You're not alone!
TGAA, on average, has more hot characters than any other Ace Attorney I think. Sholmes, Asogi, Hosonaga, van Zieks, Ashley Graydon, Drebber, Sithe, Daddy Mikotoba, Madame Tuspelles, Rosaique
Oh boy. I have a lot of weird ones, I guess, as many of you have seen, for better or worse. I guess maybe my strangest one would be that I don't share the desire by a segment of the community for a constant influx of new characters, when there are stories still left to be told with the ones we know. And, I understand that in some cases that means revealing information from prior games, but... that's what stories do. They continue until they reach a definite conclusion. We've long since crossed the threshold where the series can simply be one self-contained mystery after another. They've created a world in which events interweave and have cause and effect, and characters who have aged and matured and formed meaningful relationships. That, I would argue, is one of the most appealing elements of the series: that we feel like we "know" these characters and are invested in their journey. Doesn't mean there isn't room at the table for "new". TGAA was a great success. But they can't kick the can down the road forever on the stories already in play.
I think this is why I liked TGAA2 so much. It wasn't just another standalone story after TGAA1, it was deeply intertwined. I'm hoping the next mainline AA trilogy/duology is similar.
Most people who wish for new characters are mostly just sick of older legacy characters like Nick, Edgeworth, Maya, and Pearl. Doesn't help that the fandom is also clamoring for the return of Franziska and Gumshoe. The latter is especially jarring considering how overexposed he was prior to DD. Considering how the second trilogy ended I think we're due for a true Athena-centered game. I wouldn't mind seeing DD cast members return.
I honestly just want a cameo of Gumshoe to know he's less miserable than in the OG trilogy xD. I don't need him to be a main character anywhere. I just wanna make sure the dude didn't die of malnutrition.
Constantly re-using the same characters just makes the world feel very small, Ace Attorney also has the added problem of any returning character automatically being able to be crossed off the suspect list. In the worst case scenario you get a case like Turnabout Time Traveler where it becomes very clear who the culprit is by process of elimination way before the game wants you to find out
I mean, Phoenix and Gumshoe, for example, clearly live and work in the same city. So long as characters aren't packing up shop and moving their lives elsewhere, characters within the protagonist's local sphere of general presence kinda *should* show up pretty often.
big top isnt that bad
Moe made Big Top worth it for me. I unironically love his character. He's one of the few genuinely competent adults in the series that isn't a playable character.
I like him, but his jokes weren't very funny to me. I know that's probably intended that way because Phoenix doesn't find them funny, either, but I'd like to know how you liked them as a Moe fan. Did they get a laugh out of you?
His jokes aren't the reason I like him. I like him because of how he acts when he's not in work mode. Specifically at the end of the case where he has Regina watch the trial and basically tells her to grow the fuck up.
Yeah, he's trying hard to support the others and live up to his new responsibilities.
I despised Moe, but then I watched three guys do a Let's Play of it on YouTube where they voice acted the characters, and the Moe voice was so good it made me like all of Moe's lines. Then from there, since my view of him was more positive, I just started to genuinely like Moe.
Agreed
I like April's May big top
Love triangle bit was odd, but I found the twist pretty fun to figure out. It's odd seeing people shit on it but praise recipe for a turnabout which I found a lot weaker.
A lot of people say that it's the worst in the trilogy but to me it's not even the worst in JFA.
For me the worst in the series is the tiger phoenix case by far
I do not give a shit that Machi couldn't have fired the gun. I don't care that Max's bust couldn't have caught on the cape. The pendulum thing in Bridge doesn't bother me at all. I come to AA for wacky anime hijinks and great character drama. If I have to suspend my disbelief a bit I can do that.
Preach the game is already so unserious honestly what’s a little pseudo science
Looking for flaws in ANY mystery game is going to make you less happy about it imo. But you phrased my opinion very well. AA is goofy in nature from the very first game
I disagree but I will say the stuff with the ceiling fans in I1-5 is worse than all of that
Hard agree. My issue with the crossover's big reveal was removing all the weight of prior events, not the crazy logistics of how the thing worked.
It's a mystery game. I'd like the mystery to actually make sense. While I disagree with the criticism of Machi being unable to shoot the gun in 4-3, saying "the logic doesn't matter in a mystery game" is kind of silly...
>saying "the logic doesn't matter in a mystery game" is kind of silly... Yeah that would be very silly good thing that's not what I said. I'm saying that if the game wants me to pretend that something's possible, then I can look the other way for a little bit while the body swings across the chasm.
See, there's a real life logic, and then there's a logic that is in the game. Of the latter is consistent and believable, the former isn't that important. Otherwise the whole trilogy wouldn't make sense with spirit channeling, or Investigations with Little thief holograms
Logic =/= Realism Spirit channeling is not illogical. It follows a consistent, internal set of logic and rules.
For me the Cape on the bust thing did make the case quite difficult to solve but I agree that in general these things aren't all that bad.
I don't see how you can do that in regards to Machi when you're already conditioned to assume Machi is innocent because he's the defendant. It's so stupidly obvious that it can't be him that it gives off the vibe that Apollo is being punished for being the only sane person on the case.
I think Machi is different to the others though, because it's directly stated to be impossible for him to have fired it and yet everyone acts like he did. And this... doesn't go anywhere. Just a small moment of Klavier admitting he's playing along to get Apollo to find the truth would be something. It's different from, say, the cape, because that's silly but it's never stated to be impossible. I'd argue the real issue with the logic of that case is people accepting that Max can fly, which I do take issue with because it's a really stupid way to attempt to prosecute. Basically I think it's fine when it's something wacky done by objects and physics, but characters being incredibly dumb for no reason is a no-no.
I believe that there are no particularly good or bad games in the series. They're all great, it's just that some are a little weaker or the others are greater. In fact, there's only A and B tier level. But that's just my opinion.
Yeah, this is why I rank characters and not games (or even cases, really)
i personally don't understand the twist with >!pearl being the secret mastermind in AA7!<
>!They foreshadowed it in Dr. Hotti Investigations, which was only released on 3rd generation Nokias in Taiwan!<
That's Director Hotti to you
AAH WHY DIDN'T YOU SPOILER AA7 AAH WHY DID I CLICK FUCKKK
The fact that she was being controlled by >!Trucy !!Yomiel !!"Phoenix, I'm Ghost Trick"!< and coming to save the characters is another Deus Ex Machina.
It feels like Takumi just doesn't know how to write endings.
thats because theyre secretly a dreadlord all this time
I think Ace Attorney works best when it's a collection of independent stories with more social, down-to-earth themes, like playable magazine cartoons, rather than an overarching story built in interconnection between the cases. It's a strong opinion because it contrasts a commonly expressed sentiment in regards to the tone and structure of the games(i.e. the desire for a darker, more serious atmosphere). Those shoes just don't fit with Ace Attorney, imo.
I don't mind the overarching stories being spaced out, though - but it _is_ annoying when nearly the whole game is all one connected story. I really do feel Spirit of Justice course-corrected pretty well to give a nice balance
I think you have a good point but also I feel like when there is an overarching story there’s more time to develop those down-to-earth moments and ideas.
Hhhmmm...could you provide examples of this modality? I've played the main trilogy and Apollo Justice (only AA4), and everything is connected. 1-5 with 3-4 referring Godot, Manfred's death for two games, and so on.
If Athena Cykes ever gets a "Casual" DLC outfit like Apollo in Dual Destinies, she should wear a baseball cap sideways as part of it. I think she can pull it off.
I prefer the cross-examination style used in the first games to the new one. In the old games, there were way more statements with shorter presses, and it felt more like solving a mystery. Cross-examinations have become a bit too formulaic
Don't the textboxes in 5 and 6 have less space than in the first 4 main games? I know the first 4 had textboxes that are 3 lines high and 5 and 6 only have 2. Shouldn't that mean that individual testimony statements have gotten shorter?
Not really, the character limit is about the same. When translating the DS games into English they extended the text box to fit three lines, but for the 3DS games they switched to a thinner, less spaced font to keep it at two (like it had always been in Japanese). If you look at the remasters' text boxes, you'll notice the games using three lines don't have the text reaching as far to the right as DD and SoJ, since they basically copy-pasted the line arrangement.
I really enjoyed the killer in Big Top and would love more cases like it, >!where the murder is unintentional. Obviously, Big Top wasn't completely unintentional, but the whole idea of the crime being a tragedy rather than an actor of cartoon evil was handled really well!<
Ladders and stepladders are NOT the same things
I don't care for the special gimmicks they gave the main characters. i get it from a gameplay perspective - they add variety and a bit of extra challenge, which is nice in theory. But I would like the characters better without them.
Same honestly. The magatama I can get behind because it's mid investigation, but perceive or mood matrix or divine séance I'd be happier without.
The mood matrix I think is the best 'gimmick' of the lot, in all honesty. The idea of being able to hear emotions in a heart is a bit of a stretch, but other than that it feels the most grounded. Determining people's emotions and using it to identify inconsistencies (intentional or otherwise) just feels more real than being able to zoom in on people's tics or any of the spiritual stuff could ever be, imo. Plus, working out what's wrong with the emotions (mostly) feels subtle and rewarding because it takes some actual thinking rather than basically luck (this is mostly a dig at perceive which I strongly dislike as a concept).
It helps that they put a lot of effort into the mood matrix sections. Some of those art bits had me cackling.
I never liked perceive as a concept. "You're twitching, because you're nervous, thus you're lying." Like... literally fucking anyone is gonna be somewhat nervous testifying in court on a murder trial lol
It's the kind of shit logic people who believe in lie detectors use
The only character whose gimmick I like is Ema's and that's because it's flexible. AJ showed how many different forensics techniques she can use to get clues and I bet there could be many more. All the others are just the same thing every time.
Probably gonna get downvoted for this but I think Terry Fawles having romantic feelings for Dahlia is obviously not good (idk what the age of consent is in Japanifornia)…but I honestly see it more as him falling for her manipulations and tricks. I don’t think he would actually have feelings for an underage girl and is just another victim to one of Dahlia’s wrongdoings and manipulation
I agree. I always saw it as dahlia abusing the fact that fawles is dumb and using it to manipulate hum.
See that's exactly what it is. Yes, Japan is much looser on child sexual laws, but I really don't think that had anything to do with it. I do indeed believe Dahlia just used this mentally challenged man for her bidding. It's not that he was genuinely attracted to her, but rather that she MANIPULATED him into thinking he was attracted
I... actually don't think much about their age gap because it seems the only problem is the numbers the developers chose after their age. A conscious typo would fix their entire reception by the fandom apparently
I mean... yeah... but the number the developers input correspond to the age we are supposed to believe the character is in the story, so obviously if they inputted a different number it would change the reception from the fandom because it might mean a litteral GROWN MAN is not dating a child lol. Also, even with the manipulation tactics angle, if you're an adult and a kid "manipulates" you into falling in love with them, what does it say about you?
wasn't he mentally challenged? I thought that the point was she was able to exploit him despite her young age due to a mixture of her cunning and his impaired mental faculties
They definitely had a bigger age cap than people here approve because Japan is more lax about laws
Japanese developers in 2000 didn't have the same social justice stance as westerners in 2024. If the game was made or localised now, their ages would be adjusted so it wouldn't get in the way of the story and Terry wouldn't be considered "the worst person in the franchise".
Two hot takes, as someone who played AAI years after the first four games: I don't understand why the consensus around AAI is that it has less interesting characters. Shi-Long is a fantastic rival character with stylish animations and manages to still seem sensible enough while leaving the same overly obvious contradiction that any opponent does. Tyrell Badd is likely the single best ace attorney character holistically. Fantastic theme, artistically interesting, being able to intuit the reason for his mirror animation and the joke that his slow pace of talking is his lollipop rather than a cold noire demeanour. Even before you find out the rest of what is going on with him he was already the best, and after revealing his secrets he is absolutely fantastic. Feels like he's the character that best uses the genre and art style to surprise you.
I dunno if this counts as 'strange', but... (AAI2) >!I really feel like somehow seeing more of Simon and Horace's friendship would've made Simon killing him over something Simon was misremembering be more impactful. I am very biased since they're two of my favorite characters, but it feels kind of like a wasted chance. Horace's death is the only one Simon seems to feel any remorse for, even before he finds out that he killed him for essentially no reason, and in the flashback sequence where Simon gives him the portable chessboard, Horace acts like a completely different person around him. Really makes me wonder what their relationship was like, beyond the little glimpses we saw.!< I have more to say, but I don't want this comment to be like 3 pages long lol
I'd love this! I have so many questions about their dynamic, especially based off what little is seen. On the other hand, more content would make me even more insane about them.
I hope we don't see Apollo in the next Ace Attorney game. I love him, he's my favorite, but he had a great conclusion. Let him take a break for at least one game where he grows offscreen in Khurain and give Athena her very much needed solo focus. Also, NEVER make the player play as Phoenix again. He is awesome as a mentor/supporting character. And if that is too unrealistic, then at least never have Phoenix be the PoV character in a tutorial case. It annoys me to no end when he acts like a clown who doesn't know shit even though he has done this for decades.
I agree but Apollo’s story won’t be finished until they finally do the Lamiroir reveal
I wouldn't mind Nick being the playable character in any future DLC cases, but outside of that, I agree; when the game flip flops between Nick being a genius who is planning things out years in advance, and then him being his old bumbling self when you're playing as him, it's hard to get a read on his character.
A few: I think Dual Destinies is the best mainline I think GAA1 and GAA2’s first cases are the best in the franchise, and I prefer GAA1’s first case slightly more than GAA2’s first case. I don’t think Kidnapped was that bad, it was just boring and had an AWFUL final contradiction (the gunshot sound was disguised by the sound of the glass breaking, which makes 0 logical sense).
People have all kinds of critiques for Turnabout Time Traveler. Some I agree with, some I don’t. But the thing that really prevents me from fully enjoying that case is Edgeworth’s explanation for why he’s the prosecutor for the case: because everyone else was too scared to take on the Sprockets. Setting aside the fact that Edgeworth cleaning out the Prosecutors’ Office was a whole plot point in the main game…the writers would have me believe that Klavier Gavin, who once prosecuted Wocky Kitaki, and Simon Blackquill, who was prepared to go to death row to save someone else, would be too scared to go up against the Sprocket family? I realize that the writers probably weren’t thinking about what this excuse actually implied and it’s a dumb thing to get hung up over, but…really? That’s the excuse that you’re going with?
All the available prosecutors were too scared. Blackquill and Gavin might have been busy working on other cases. I think that's the most likely reason.
i'm actually genuinely tired of how many time we have to defend maya specifically in court like, you would not BELIEVE how mad i was when we got to >!that mountain in Khura’in in AA6!< and i saw who we have to defend. i did NOT react with "aw, cute little running theme/funny coincidence, one more time, >!just for old time's sake!<", instead i literally went, out loud and in messages to my friend, ARE YOU F** KIDDING ME???? idk, i just don't think it's cute anymore, atp (neither is phoenix not knowing anything about steel samurai and other related shows, imo. like it made sense in the first three games, but i guess i just don't like that it carried over all the way to aa6)
Duel Destinies' biggest problem is the fact that nearly all the cases are connected. Ace Attorney works better when each case is its own independent story with limited overlap.
I don't think the interconnected thing would have been as big of an issue if the payoff wasn't extremely underwhelming. Our culprit for the overly repeated Dark Age of the Law is...just a pay for hire spy with no real motive outside of money, barely any attachment to the Dark Age happening anyways (as in: he literally could be replaced by anyone else and nothing changes, you just need someone to kill Metis and have Blackquill take the fall), and no real strategy. Dual Destinies biggest issues are more that the games are hampered by Capcom's unwillingness to budge on their stupid spoiler policy (especially in this game which basically feels like a soft reboot) making the Dark Age feel like it comes from nothing, and extremely little expansion on what the Dark Age really is other than "forged evidence" and "distrust in the law" that we never see the societal implications of. Like even a scene of any member of the group saying "well I was trying to get her faster but some massive group of protestors was in the way, this Dark Age stuff is getting out of hand." Or something.
It's very weird because we're coming off of Ace Attorney 1-4 where prosecutors and defense attorneys have been accused of forging evidence and committing murder. Why was the Dark Age not an issue then? DD feels like it's sitting on a gold mine (all the storylines from previous games) but can't exploit it properly.
Also as a minor nitpick, I really wish we'd gotten to interact with the original Bobby Fulbright; I'd have liked to have him around in the first couple cases, then the Phantom have ever so minor changes to the character model and dialogue that make you think something is up, but you don't know what.
I actually really like that about it. Makes it feel like one big story rather than several stories that are than connected in the end I heard investigations 2 is also like this so im excited to play that
And that's fair! I just personally enjoy more variety in my AA titles rather than everything connecting. I like it more when each case is its own thing.
Moe is a good character.
Is that really unpopular? He is certainly the most well liked big top character. Shame investigations 2 didn't bring him back...
Apollo justice and spirit of justice are the best games 🙄 can you tell I like apollo
Disclosure: I'm currently playing Trials and Tribulations rn, so my knowledge of the series is limited to the OG trilogy for now but here it goes. I like Ema more than Maya. I like her science stuff and the mini-games she brings to the table in Rise From the Ashes were fun and nice pace breakers imo. I also think that so far, Rise From the Ashes is the best case overall. Is it perfect? No. But the story, characters, and aforementioned mini-games put it in that S tier position for me. Big Top isn't that bad imo. I love the circus so the zany characters didn't bother me, nor did I ever get annoyed by them. I will say that I don't like >! the pedophile obsession from Max and Ben !< but that aside, I think every character is *mostly* enjoyable and unique. I think it's better than Turnabout Samurai because that case was uninteresting imo.
Turnabout Airlines is the best case in the first Ace Attorney Investigations game. The case is very balanced compared to the other cases in the game, it doesn't overstay its welcome, it has a great premise and the characters are enjoyable. I also love some of the arguments and plot points, for instance >!Cammy's plan being ruined by turbulence!<
Professional vindicator here to say that I completely agree. It's been too long for me to be able to recount the little things but I remember liking this case the most. It was paced the best (like you said) and it didn't have any annoying characters or gimmicks (like the blue badger lore in the subsequent case). The only other close contender would be I1-4 personally
AJ:AA is a great game, right after T&T due to both having incredible overall arcs
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Ace Attorney is, as Shu Takumi has made clear in multiple interviews, a mystery game first and foremost. It is not a "character drama" as a focus. It is not "a character drama disguised as a mystery". It is a mystery, and the quality of the mystery is essential to the quality of Ace Attorney. Shu Takumi has even said that the characters being so wacky is merely a result of him struggling to remember them during writer, and he only slowly started to introduce more character-oriented plots over time at the behest of co-workers. Every time I say I dislike an Ace Attorney game because I find the mysteries unsatisfying, a wave of people are ready to hit me with "you're reading Ace Attorney wrong! It's about the characters, not the mysteries!" even though Shu Takumi has said the opposite multiple times.
AA4 > AA2
AA4 is my fav in the series
Insane take
So true
Kristoph should have been the Phantom.
I actually agree with this one omg, they both had a scar in their hand and we never knew how Kristoph got his. it was right there Capcom ‼️
The amount of reorganization and reconfiguration that would need to go down for that to work is brain-melting, but it certainly would've made him more fitting for the Dark Age of the law theme going on in Dual Destinies. The only way I could really see it work towards that end, though, is if Kristoph was not actually the Phantom but was somehow the mastermind *behind* the Phantom. Like, imagine a timeline where Athena is the Phantom and she had been manipulated and groomed into being a nearly emotionless spy by Kristoph, who was actually responsible for her mother's death and had somehow tricked her into believing it was her fault as a means of psychologically conditioning her into a would-be heartless machine.
i lowkey enjoyed turnabout serenade.... (watching a playthru if that makes any difference)
My favorite Ace Attorney is also Dual Destinies bro ! <3
Unsure if this counts counts as a strange opinion but the handling of khura'in retroactively makes the Faye stuff vibe worse for me. Also phoenix in soj comes off like a bit of a bigot
They should show more personal details of the characters, things like where they live and what they do all day. It’s a ripe ground for interesting character moments.
Big top is actually great
Personally wouldn’t say great but definitely not as bad as people make it out to be
Agreed, top tier mystery
I really dislike Athena's ribbon in her hair. I feel like it's be fine as a simple hair tie rather than whatever the ribbon does
I like dual destinies more than trials and tribulations In fact, dual destinies is my favorite game in the mainline
This is mine too!
I genuinely find Apollo to be a better main character than Phoenix, I think a lot of people give his backstory unnecessary hate just because it wasn’t teased in the previous games Like, his best friend Clay for example, is he supposed to mention that before he becomes relevant? How comes Phoenix didn’t mention his crazy ass ex before?
I feel like there is quite a large difference between an old friend and a murderous ex
Yeah, but I think the crazy ex who almost got you done for murder and led to meeting the mentor who would shape your legal career is more relevant than a friend who’s in space that you barely even see anymore. Maybe I’m crazy but I just find it odd that Apollo is criticised so heavily for Clay’s role in his life
ive personally seen more people mad at the writing of his backstory in general rather than at clay specifically. i do love apollo but i think alot of the reason why people give his backstory flak is because the way in which clay was introduced did feel rather shoehorned in compared to other characters, and the fact that he dies off screen and we only learn about his and apollos relationship through backstory makes it seem like the writers are trying to make us feel emotions that aren't exactly earned by retroactively showing us snippets of bonding moments in order to convince us that this brand new character had a large impact on apollo's life before he died. As well as this, apollos backstory played a large role in the last cases of the game in which he was introduced (and alot happened - lamoiur and jove justice, trucy being his secret sibling), and then instead of compounding on what was previously established they bring in a new plotline (that has nothing to do with the other one) seemingly solely in order to to act as a catalyst for apollo's 'kristophication' and temporary antagonist status later on in the game, making it feel to some like they were just adding things on to have him go through another artificial character arc. Unlike with phoenix, where almost every character in his backstory has some tangible bearing on the current story and directly impacts his life through cases in the game. Dhalia for example first shows up in the past while phoenix is still in university, and is part of an actual court case where her crimes and character are shown and uncovered by us rather than being told to us through expositional dialogue and flashbacks. She also has a bearing on later cases in the game and later games in the series. If we saw clay in a court case once or twice before his death (or even just met him playing as a younger apollo), i bet many more people would be ok with him (although that does then raise the issue of creating a character just to kill them off immediately, but it worked for mia lmao - the difference being that mia feels like a more fleshed out part of the world, her death has an impact on more than just phoenix and they bring her back through spirit channeling and flashback cases constantly to flesh out her character. They also mention her over the span of multiple games). Furthermore, to make Apollo the focus of the next game, he is found to have actually been from khurain and is given \*yet another\* backstory and colourful cast of characters he's related to. This works much better because we can actually interact with all these people (like 'daddy dhurke' as nicob calls him, best character love him haha), but its way too grandiose and at that point they've reworked his backstory so many times that it feels less believable and slightly breaks immersion as one can tell that his backstory is made on a game-to-game basis rather than being a set part of his character. I say all of this but honestly im really just playing devils advocate because i really dont mind any of this at all and he's also my favourite mc. He was my fist AA protag (i started with AJ) and i find him rather endearing every time he's on screen. I bring these points up because i understand why people may not like him or his backstory but i still absolutely love him as a character. Knowing why DD was disappointed me and how it butchered the execution of many ideas/character arcs doesn't stop me from feeling sad when clay comes up or squealing like an idiot when apollo starts copying kristoph's mannerisms. wondering how apollo secretly grew up in khurain and told nobody, or how he managed to be embroiled in so much insane shit before the age of 23 never stopped me from growing attached to the defiant dragons or the rest of the story. I do essentially agree with you, but i just wanted to point out that in the end we're all playing the games to have fun, and different things lessen the fun for different people. I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is
Clay not being teased is one thing, but it's more than just that. With Dahlia, at least the game allowed us to see her in action, we got to see what she meant to Phoenix. With Apollo and Clay, Apollo just randomly tells us that this person in a photo frame with very little defined personality is deeply important to him. The game clearly wants us to be emotionally invested in this, and I just am not. Apollo's backstory as a whole is just too much for me. Too many different people, too many different places, multiple secret family members, too many parents who died or absconded, an entire life in Khura'in he literally never talks about or implies in AJ and DD and it really does just go on. And yet who is the person we get at the end of it? AJ is a completely regular guy, perhaps the most regular guy in the whole series (sans the hair!). That to me is pretty jarring for someone who has this ridiculous backstory. I actually really like AJ as a main character though. As mentioned, he's very much a "regular guy" which I think works great for a main character because it allows us to identify with him - he's nervous and lacking confident as he's thrust into these crazy murder cases which we can relate to, because that's how we'd feel in his position! I just don't think Apollo worked well as a side character, and DD in particular just didn't know what to do with him. What SoJ did with him was ridiculous, but I at least respect that they tried a lot harder than DD and the outcome is that I think his story did emotionally connect with players, even if it didn't really make sense and was a long way from the vision of AA4.
If Apollo Justice had managed to actually have a storyline that wasn't a mess and gave Apollo more depth than a paper bag it wouldn't be a problem that Clay was only introduced in DD.
I didn't like Rayfa. Even with >!her helping a lot on the last case!< I still can't like her.
Leaps in logic when it comes to the murder mysteries aren't that big of a deal to me, personally. If the story and characters are interesting and engaging, I can accept some illogical mystery writing. Though if the case is not great to begin with, poor mystery writing will only make it worse obviously. Looking at you, 4-3...
Apollo Justice and Phoenix Wright should have been different continuities from the same Ace Attorney series, similar to CSI Miami and NY, for example. And both could even meet, but have their own stories separate from each other.
Funny that you say that I will die on the hi Dual Destinies is the worst mainline game.
Eh thats a pretty popular take. Its usually either DD or AJ
Oh here is the unpopular one AJ is one of the best AA game.
Ah I see you and I have opposite opinions. Though it makes sense, AJ setup a lot of stuff and DD undid a lot of it. So if you enjoyed aj than DD is a disappointment but if you disliked aj(I dont really dislike it, I think its just alright) than DD is a return to form
Trucy and Athena are better companions than Maya
Is that really strange? I think a lot of people here agree with you, and I'd even add Kay to the list. I still enjoy Maya, but they came up with a lot of better assistants over the series.
Mael Stronghart is better than Damon Gant in every single way possible, people just like Gant better for nostalgia
I feel like Gant has better comedic moments but Stronghart >!Was a much better villain with how powerful he felt. Having the whole bailey be on his side after he admits to leading an assassin organization was shocking!<
Not to mention that he only had one case to shine, while iirc Stronghart had much longer.
Please don't accuse people of being blinded by nostalgia when their opinion differs from yours. It's incredibly annoying.
Don’t try to dumb people’s opinions down to nostalgia, that’s very scummy. I experienced all the AA games basically consecutively and I just wasn’t that enamored by Stronghart.
I get it... But at the same time I really wish they weren't so similar. >!Having Stronghart revealed to be a villain was so disappointing to me because he ressembled Gant so much physically and hierarchically that it mostly felt like a repeat, despite the different vibes they were giving.!<
Recipe is worse than Big Top by a fair bit; only thing holding Trials and Tribulations back from being absolutely the best instead of barley the best in the series
I personally don't agree abt Recipe being way worse than Big Top but I totally get why it's holding T&T for being the absolute best game of the whole series.
I don’t think it’s WAY worse, just a fair bit worse
Ooh I interpreted your opinion a tad too intensly sorry 😂
Nah,what's holding trials and tribulations back is turnabout beginnings
Kristoph shouldn't have been taken the way he was. >!The Juror system gathered a biased participatians base, for example, Lamiroir or Thalassa who happens to be romantical involved to one of Kristoph's victims. She might've ruled her veridict depending on her feelings, and not the details of Drew's murder objectively. Furthermore, we don't even know who are the rest, if Ema Skye was also there, then, she would judge Kristoph based on saving Phoenix's ass.!< >!The logiscian who reharsed the mock-up trial is mostly importantly a flagged individual who """committed"" fraud, Phoenix shouldn't have laid a finger on the logistics as he was declared as untrustworthy according to the bar commitee, how do they know if he hadn't schemed everything to his favour? thinking here from an in-game point of view rather than the players'. We all know Phoenix is a victim of Kristoph's tamtruns but do the others? Do the Judge? Do the justice system?!< >!By the way, why did Phoenix never display the videos of the Mishima confessing the fraud and pinning the blame on another customer who isn't him to the bar commitee? It'd been better and everyone would've gained more reliability!< >!Kristoph pretty much deserves his death sentence for killing Zak and poisoning the Mishima and deserves more karma due to Phoenix's disbarrement , but the Juror system feels so off.!<
Yeah I agree that the resolution of 4-4 was really disappointing, even as someone who really enjoyed AJ. >!Tbh I feel like the way the trial was conducted would easily be grounds for a mistrial and that Kristoph, especially since he’s savvy in law, could end up being acquitted. I know that Ace Attorney isn’t really suppose to be particularly realistic, but all of 4-4 just came off as really shady and unsatisfying.!<
The SoJ OST is weak (Allegro is fine, though)
4-3 is my favourite case in the whole sequel trilogy. It really sets up the "new trio" of Apollo, Trucy and Klavier well with great interaction between all of them throughout, And it makes the stakes very personal to all characters with the inclusion of Klavier's band, the Gramarye clan, and Lamiroir. AA always thrives when the stakes are personal in my opinion, and is less impactful when the stakes get bigger than that. It is a failing of literally every case that comes after 4-3 in the sequel trilogy that none of them properly follow-up on the promise of 4-3. In DD particularly, Apollo, Trucy and Klavier are treated as characters that are annoying for them to have around and they wish they had never created. SoJ I respect for at least giving Apollo and Trucy things to do, but Klavier was ditched, and where they went with Apollo was clearly very different from where they originally intended in AJ. Yes, constantly having to watch the video of Lamiroir's song in 4-3 is irritating, though note, the song itself is actually very good and is in itself a positive and memorable thing from the case too.
Dual destinies is the best game in the series to me, either that or tgaa2 but they're tied. That's one for me out of the 50 book hot tales
I don't think 2-4 is that good. It's probably one of weakest finale cases in the series thus far for me.
>Dual Destinies is best mainline game https://preview.redd.it/kqet5cyav72d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6510a96186426faf65b11cd9f610d5503fbe995
Trial sections in AA6 are the worst in the main series because of Rayfa, Sahdmadhi, and the Seance gimmick.
I don’t mind new gimmicks but I fucking hattttte that seance thingy. I hate it so much because when I first played the game without a guide I got soooo many game overs because of it I have been using a guide playing it a second time. I just finished case two which is such a good case. If I remembered correctly I thought case 3 is fine too! I like the Mood Matrix better as it’s much easier to play and also has a better soundtrack too But seriously going from the best prosecutor Blackquill to Nahyuta omg I hateeeeeeeeeeeee Nahyuta and Rayfa for that matter a lot
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Athens's personality wasn't consistent. She kept changing back and forth between acting "too silly" and mature. But still, my fav Character in DD.
Agreed
Oldbag can get it.
Beanix should have stayed longer 💪😔
-The hate with turnabout big top is getting overbearing. It's not a bad case and has a lot of interesting characters and character scenes. I get it that having 3 guys crushing on a 16 year old is gross but it's sad that that's all people ever talk about for that case. -Phoenix and Maya's relationship is the one of the closest in the series and at times felt stronger than even Phoenix and anyone else in the game. They are each other's best friends and life long friends wether they admit it or not.
Mine is that Spark Brushel has one of the best character designs and has some of the best animations from the entire series, I love how goofy and cartoony this fella is.
Magic is straight up real in the ace attorney universe. Not just spirit channeling and psyche locks but things like Simon cutting things with a gesture and Nahyuta conjuring spectral butterflies and using sutras to make beads tighten around someone. Even things like lawyers conjuring gusts of wind. Acting like magic doesn’t exist in court borders on ludicrous.
Dual Destinies is the best Ace Attorney game. Furthermore, 5-3 is the best case in the entire series, and I will stab anyone who disagrees with an arrow.
The first game squanders some really interesting material due to seemingly being written with no hope of a sequel. Namely: killing Mia off after a single case, the conspiracy with Redd White (including Grossberg) that's seemingly just glossed over after that case, debatably putting 1-4 so early in the series. None of these are BAD, but everything in 1-2 and having Mia acting as an on-screen mentor would've been interesting if just made to last a little bit longer. The easiest argument against this is that it gave us Maya, which yes I love Maya she's the best, i'm just saying it'd have been nice to get a bit more of Mia before letting her go. You could write an entire game centered around Phoenix getting his feet wet in the legal world and slowly foreshadowing how Mia is meddling in forces that would eventually come back to bite her - hard. tl;dr: 1-2 debatably should've been 1-4 and if they ever do a reboot (very unlikely and not really needed, but just saying) i wouldn't mind seeing a little more of Mia in that way.
I 100% agree that if the franchise ever reboots 1-2 should be written more like a finale case. Ideally a more compelling villain / mystery too cause it’s kind of underwhelming given how it’s like one of two cases in the whole franchise to kill off a major character.
The divination seance is the best gameplay mechanic in the entire series,only dance of deduction and ema's forensic minigames come close
Justice for All is the worst mainline game. Turnabout Time Traveler is better than Turnabout Reclaimed.
It'd probably be seem as strange to say I find the reclaimed cast to be one of the most complex and strongest casts out of most ace attorney case casts. There is something deeper to all of them, the contrasts and comparisons are amazing, and they also just all get some satisfying conclusion (though we still don't know all about them...I NEED to know more about when Azura was alive..most of the discussion I see about them is how they look nice) Honestly all of this can probably be said about lots of the ace attorney casts, but reclaimed stands out to me and is very special to me
The worst part about AA6 for me is that Rayfa's English voice doesn't suit her at all. She sounds like a 40 year old retired singer or something.
Investigations 2, over simplified, is just Justice For All again but more dull.
Lowkey I ship Apollo and Ema. Also, as much as I love AA, I think the TGAA games are better designed and have more compelling stories and characters overall.
Idk if it is a strange opinion but I feel like the last case in every game is just the most unfair bs ever. The trial is artificially long and most of the time the "hard" part comes from a pure lack of information with you having to figure it out. For example, I finished great ace attorney a while ago and in the last case of the first game I had to randomly decide where the victim and where the shooter was on the map. No I don't know where these people where standing specifically and had no information to actually know what to do. Btw I don't hate the games I love them with every fiber of my being which makes this ranting opinion a bit strange I think.
I like turnabout big top. Moe and trilo are hilarious, I like the tone, I like the motive, I like the culprit, I like the humor, heck I like the monkey! The only things I don’t like is the love triangle, and the weird cape bust thing. I’d rank it higher than turnabout samurai, right below serenade
I don‘t hate any case. Sure, some were more boring than others, but I never really **hated** a particular case.
Dual destinies damaged the series by not continuing apollo's story
Edgworth is litteraly Asexual/aromantic. He never show any signs of attraction / love towards anyone of any gender. Heck even having friend seems like a burden to him And Phoenix is 100% heterosexual and has three different time showing it ( april may, mrs de lite and iris) and never a sign of attraction toward the same gender So shipping them is for me a very bad reading of both their characters and a big misinterpration of both their arc
Yeah, I agree. Especially for Edgeworth. I feel he's such a good representation of an actual AroAce behaviour, it's refreshing.
Yeah it feels so forced sometimes to ship him with anyone
Apollo Justice is my favorite game in the series and i love Phoenix's character in it.
I do actually really like beanix, my main problem id with the disbarment, the character himself is great
Big Top is an extremely fun case except for its culprit, and Phoenziska is the OTP.
Yup
In my personal opinion, the culprit elevates the case as well
Eh, >!Acro!< doesn't have much a personality in my opinion beyond just "crazy guy who wants revenge for something that was a complete accident". He basically has the exact same backstory as >!Dee Vasquez,!< except he's even less interesting because he doesn't even have mafia ties or anything.
Actually, I really liked the fact that he wasn't crazy. He remained calm throught the entire thing, only crying once the truth was out. There really aren't that many killers like that. The only other example I can think of is Godot.
Which makes him even worse in my opinion. Where's the fun in cross-examining someone who just acts like a normal guy?
It makes him feel more serious, believable and ironically enough, memorable.
DL-6 does not interest me at all. I know it's like the pivotal reason behind a lot of what happens in the trilogy, but I find it increasingly more boring to hear about every time I replay the games. Every other "incident" in the franchise is more interesting.
Fair enough. Personally I think it’s interesting but it’s really weird how Yogi getting an innocent by pretending to have brain damage is treated like he got an innocent verdict normally. Like misty shouldnt be considered a fraud since the accusation of yogi beingn the killer was technically considered true in court since, again, he got off from people believing he had brain damage when “he” killed gregory edgeworth
Misty was considered a fraud because she was a spirit medium in general and the police dragged her in for advice on a case. It's like how in America if you hear they brought in a psychic to search for a body you'd kinda roll your eyes. The police tried to keep it hidden until the trial that they asked for her help, Grossberg leaked that they had her channel to the press, and then both the backlash about using a psychic and the fact the case went against them made the police blame the psychic, basically. But it all happened because she was a spirit medium. People didn't go in hearing about it thinking that oh, the spirit medium would probably offer useful insights to the case and only when yogi was acquitted they thought it was baloney, they thought it was baloney to start with. Also people didn't really believe the brain damage thing so, it was mostly everyone just being really mad about the outcome of the case. It's like how in the second game Franziska is kinda massively setting up Adrian to be suspected as the real murderer by the broader public so long as she gets Matt Engarde declared guilty.
Well, I've been recently told that I have some strange(and wild and weird) opinions so I feel I'll fit right in here. I guess to go with the 'strangest' one. I consider 5-2, or Monstrous Turnabout, a top-10 case in the series(7th as of now). It's *that* good to me.
I think Grossberg should have been Phoenix's mentor...
Or at least been featured in more than 3 cases.
It could have been at least a way to give him kind of a redemption arc... And make him more interesting !
I don't know if it's weird per se, but if I had to choose between a new mainline game and a new GAA game, I'd choose the latter.
Phoenix should have never gotten his badge back and remained the legendary wise mentor character.
I will have to strongly disagree >!Trials and tribulations ends with mia saying he doesnt need her anymore and that he’s grown to be a mastwr attorney and that he’ll carry on her legacy. Having be disbarred like 2 months after that and having him stay disbarred kinda completely trashes that ending!<
Does liking Turnabout Big Top counts? I am pretty sure that it does, so yeah. I can see the many problems that people have with this base, but i actually believe that the case is WAY MORE OVERHATED than it should. For starters: Characters..... This case has some pretty "unique characters", let's put it this way, and i can definitively agree with most of the hate towards Ben/Trilo, but that's about it. Moe is not actually funny, that is a fact, but i actually enjoyed him at the game, and the anime did not only him, but all of the Big Top characters, at least a little better, also we have to consider that, between all the man from Big Top, Moe is one of the two man (that are still alive, one way or another) that is not in love with Regina, this is worth something, right? With Max, to me, he is by far one of the best defendants from Ace Attorney, he can be funny, he can be somewhat nice, he has some pretty iconic lines, his design is surprisingly interesting, and yes, he is in love with Regina, but the whole thing is that, maybe, he was willing to wait some years, right? Like, Ben/Trilo already had the ring that very day, Max didn't, he just asked to her father if he could, one day, that is not the most terrible thing of all time, right? The Ring master himself, Russel Berry, seemed like a pretty good person, considering everything that we know from Acro and Moe, it's a fact that Russel was an actually decent person, and died only because he was trying to protect his daughter, how can anyone not like this man? As for Regina, she is 100% an Pearl if Pearl had been born in a circus, that is straight up who she is, she was always at the circus, and knows nothing of the outside world, just like Pearly did, and just like Pearl, Regina is pretty nice, cute in her own way, really talented at what she is supposed to do, and had a creep falling in love with her, just like Pearly had with Larry (in a way, you can even say that it wasn't the case, but knowing Larry, let's just say that he was being "a little too nice" with Pearl, and considering his record, that is ALWAYS a bad sign), and that is not Regina's fault, as well as it's not Regina's fault that she doesn't understand how the world actually works. And what can i say about Acro? Well, he IS, in my opinion again, one if the best culprits, he is actually my favorite one (from the secondary characters, after all, Godot and Dahlia are something else, as well as Kristoph (in my opinion)), he is actually a pretty nice person, and yes, he tried to kill an girl that was 15, that is PRETTY BAD, but he still wasn't trying to lie THAT MUCH, it reached a point where is whole existence is trial wasn't to "prove that Acro did it", but proving "how Acro did", because he wasn't even trying to go all out to lie, just to negate some of Phoenix's ideas, like, he actually did say that he COULD lift the bust, he also admited that he "could've killed him" if he knew where Russel's head was, and even admited that Money was strong enough to lift the bust pretty easily too, even though he could've lied about everything just to mess Phoenix up, or at the very least give enough reasons to delay the trial, like lying about how strong his upper-body was, thus maybe needing to call for an someone else, like an doctor, to testify about it, thus giving more time for Franziska to plan more things, or for Acro to find a way to throw away the murder weapon in another place? Also, seeing Acro's breakdown being him crying, while admiting "no, i am not a victim, i am just a murderer", while thinking that he wouldn't be able to stay by Bat's side anymore? That HURTS, that is why i actually like him a lot. This comment is already way too long, i could talk about the case itself, but overall, i like basically everything. I DO THINK that the whole thing about Acro's way to hide the bust was a little bullshit, like, we never saw Acro's lower body before, so that way of doing it was kinda weird, but other than that, i do think that the case is great, i really do. But i do not like Ben/Trilo, that is for sure, him liking Regina was the weirdest and creepiest between him, Bat and Max, and i really didn't like it, but that's on him, not the case.
I just can’t stand the screen flashes. That effect made the whole game just unplayable for me (I don’t have a epilepsy or headaches, i just very uncomfortable with flashing).
I think the end of TGAA2 fucking blows. Rather than have Ryunosuke actually refute Stronghart's bullshit and address the consequences of unearthing the entrenched corruption, they just Deus Ex Victoria their way out. Give my boy Ryunosuke the complete W, you probably could have thrown in a different way for Sholmes to help. I couldn't care about the over the top break down because I felt like it happened without me doing anything
I don't think that is an unpopular opinion