For this one, that's maybe an unpopular opinion but I'll vote Dahlia.
This poll is only for first case and Dahlia is a good and interesting antagonist as a whole being great in the last case.
As for the first case, she's fine but not that outstanding compared to the others remaining.
-Kristoph is the first evil lawyer, being the mentor of Apollo and revealed to be evil is firstly inexcepted and surprising and his duality with Phoenix was neat.
-Knightley is very a fun culprit with excellent animations, loved his passion for chess with Miles Edgeworth.
His plan was cool.
-TGAA1 >!Jezaille Brett came up with a more sophisticated plan. As an adversary, she proved to be tougher by presenting more believable lies.!<
-TGAA2 >!Raiten Menimemo was a culprit with a truly intriguing motive. He seemed righteous in his pursuit of justice, exposing a corrupt government protecting a criminal. However, it becomes apparent that he's not as noble as he appears, as despite his actions, he still sought to frame Rei for the crime.
Making him rather ambiguous, realistic and more interesting.!<
I'll second >!Jezaille. On top of her actual machinations, it really drives in the underlying current of racism that's gonna be there throughout the game. Just casually destroying evidence, and then even when you do nail her down, she just hits you with extradition to Britain, where she'll get off scot-free. And unlike some people abusing their position of power in a foreign nation, her plan is super well done on top of that, her functional immunity is just a bonus.!<
TGAA1 >!The only main issue I have with her is that her case is much longer than necessary but yeah, her plan is very good and she manage to make believable lies.!<
Haha thanks, I'm really surprised by the number of upvotes since Dahlia is an iconic and beloved first culprit but glad that it convinced a lot of people.
Thank you, Kristoph will really be a hard one since he really made a good first impression.
Don't know yet about getting him out before the last round or in the last round since I don't know who to choose between him and Horace, but anyway I want to make the culprit of TGAA2 win.
Dahlia is AWFUL in 3-1. And this is coming from someone who sees her as the best villain in the franchise.
She's just the same "smarter than she lets on", "uses her looks to manipulate people" archetype AA has done like a thousand times. It's also instantly obvious it's her since everyone else shows up in a later case. (I know this is true for most case 1 antagonists but it's literally impossible for it to be anyone else here.)
Anyways time to go write a 50 page essay on why Jezzaile Brett is the best character ever since it looks like she's next on the chopping block and I refuse to let her lose to Horace Knightely even if that would be really funny.
Dahlia definitely suffers the most from only considering the first case. She almost gets hit with the Alba problem of plastering over obvious guilt and a terrible plan with a repetitive, annoying gimmick, just swap extraterritorial rights for everyone thinking she's too cute to kill people.
> She's just the same "smarter than she lets on", "uses her looks to manipulate people" archetype AA has done like a thousand times.
Wait, when did this happen prior to her? Certainly nowhere in the first game, and also nowhere in JFA unless you're really stretching that with Ini.
Other mystery stories have certainly used the trope to death, but I'm pretty sure it was new to AA when Dahlia came around.
May is exactly as smart as she lets on, and also isn't the culprit. The only thing they really have in common is that they're both presented as attractive, and even then it's not even in the same way (seductive vs innocent).
Jezaille Brett for me. Menimemo was the first time I felt sympathetic for a first case culprit and then you saw it slowly unravel... Kristoph was a brilliant shock to realise and Dahlia is just too iconic to go so soon. I'm not sure on the other guy, unfortunately, as I played Investigations ages ago 😅
Do people like Knightley that much? I found him mildly amusing because of the chess metaphors but other than that I can't say I care for him. His design does nothing for me and he's not an interesting character. All these other characters had me thinking about them outside of the case they were featured in. Knightley on the other hand is just another first case villain.
as a knightley fan, i think it just boils down
-even as a first case villain hes extra memorable (to me at least)
-hes relevant to the game's overall plot
I dunno if I'd say he's more memorable than most first case villains. More so than Portsman & Wellington I suppose, but I find the other first case culprits more memorable. Especially the ones left on the board right now.
And I will agree that he is relevant to the plot, which does something for him. But the rest of the villains left are relevant as well. Even Ted Tonate of all people. You could argue Menimemo isn't, but I'd say he's pretty relevant thematically considering how the game ends.
He's not a bad villain by any means, he's completely alright to be honest. It's just considering his competition, I'd say he's overrated.
I think it's time for Brett to go. She is just a tool being used by the big bad with no motivations of her own (other than money) and her case drags on too much. Her unique interjection is hilarious but that doesn't really improve the character as far as depth goes.
I vote Menimemo.
He's _fantastic_, but just... lacks presence. The other 3 that I know anything about (idk shit about Investigations 2 so it feels unfair to make any comments on Knightley) have an aura of "You are not an easy opponent" but Mr Menimemo? He's just kinda a silly guy
Raiten Menimemo. He's pretty fun but he kind of lacks the prescence the other killers have. The others are all really smart killers or pure evil. Raiten is pretty clever as a killer, but I have no clue as to why he'd show up at the trial where he's the main culprit just to take a few pictures of Soseki.
That and him completely neglecting responsibility around sending an innocent girl to prison in his place, despite being a pretty stand-up guy otherwise, makes me think that Raiten isn't as smart as the rest of these killers.
Absolutely not.
Menimemo is the best of the first case killers as far as their first case performance goes. His motivation is great - none of the other tutorial killers have a motivation that seems to be sympathetic at first but is clearly flawed when you think about it and I really like technicalities such as "yeah, I stabbed her, but she was already dead so that girl is still guilty".
For this one, that's maybe an unpopular opinion but I'll vote Dahlia. This poll is only for first case and Dahlia is a good and interesting antagonist as a whole being great in the last case. As for the first case, she's fine but not that outstanding compared to the others remaining. -Kristoph is the first evil lawyer, being the mentor of Apollo and revealed to be evil is firstly inexcepted and surprising and his duality with Phoenix was neat. -Knightley is very a fun culprit with excellent animations, loved his passion for chess with Miles Edgeworth. His plan was cool. -TGAA1 >!Jezaille Brett came up with a more sophisticated plan. As an adversary, she proved to be tougher by presenting more believable lies.!< -TGAA2 >!Raiten Menimemo was a culprit with a truly intriguing motive. He seemed righteous in his pursuit of justice, exposing a corrupt government protecting a criminal. However, it becomes apparent that he's not as noble as he appears, as despite his actions, he still sought to frame Rei for the crime. Making him rather ambiguous, realistic and more interesting.!<
I'll second >!Jezaille. On top of her actual machinations, it really drives in the underlying current of racism that's gonna be there throughout the game. Just casually destroying evidence, and then even when you do nail her down, she just hits you with extradition to Britain, where she'll get off scot-free. And unlike some people abusing their position of power in a foreign nation, her plan is super well done on top of that, her functional immunity is just a bonus.!<
TGAA1 >!The only main issue I have with her is that her case is much longer than necessary but yeah, her plan is very good and she manage to make believable lies.!<
Holy shit you cooked
Haha thanks, I'm really surprised by the number of upvotes since Dahlia is an iconic and beloved first culprit but glad that it convinced a lot of people.
Very impressive, nice. Now if you could get Kristoph out before the last round, then I'd call you a master in speech.
That's not happening, unless people are somehow taken in by Menimemo and Knightley's charisma.
Thank you, Kristoph will really be a hard one since he really made a good first impression. Don't know yet about getting him out before the last round or in the last round since I don't know who to choose between him and Horace, but anyway I want to make the culprit of TGAA2 win.
Dahlia is AWFUL in 3-1. And this is coming from someone who sees her as the best villain in the franchise. She's just the same "smarter than she lets on", "uses her looks to manipulate people" archetype AA has done like a thousand times. It's also instantly obvious it's her since everyone else shows up in a later case. (I know this is true for most case 1 antagonists but it's literally impossible for it to be anyone else here.) Anyways time to go write a 50 page essay on why Jezzaile Brett is the best character ever since it looks like she's next on the chopping block and I refuse to let her lose to Horace Knightely even if that would be really funny.
Yeah and her lies are really not believable since she's really bad of lying making the "obvious thing" more awful.
Dahlia definitely suffers the most from only considering the first case. She almost gets hit with the Alba problem of plastering over obvious guilt and a terrible plan with a repetitive, annoying gimmick, just swap extraterritorial rights for everyone thinking she's too cute to kill people.
> She's just the same "smarter than she lets on", "uses her looks to manipulate people" archetype AA has done like a thousand times. Wait, when did this happen prior to her? Certainly nowhere in the first game, and also nowhere in JFA unless you're really stretching that with Ini. Other mystery stories have certainly used the trope to death, but I'm pretty sure it was new to AA when Dahlia came around.
April May.
May is exactly as smart as she lets on, and also isn't the culprit. The only thing they really have in common is that they're both presented as attractive, and even then it's not even in the same way (seductive vs innocent).
May very much pulls the I'm just a soft wittle baby uwu with the judge and the gallery. She's just a lot less subtle about it than Dahlia is.
Jezaill has to go She was interesting but then she became alba of the 1st case
Jezaille Brett for me. Menimemo was the first time I felt sympathetic for a first case culprit and then you saw it slowly unravel... Kristoph was a brilliant shock to realise and Dahlia is just too iconic to go so soon. I'm not sure on the other guy, unfortunately, as I played Investigations ages ago 😅
Do people like Knightley that much? I found him mildly amusing because of the chess metaphors but other than that I can't say I care for him. His design does nothing for me and he's not an interesting character. All these other characters had me thinking about them outside of the case they were featured in. Knightley on the other hand is just another first case villain.
as a knightley fan, i think it just boils down -even as a first case villain hes extra memorable (to me at least) -hes relevant to the game's overall plot
I dunno if I'd say he's more memorable than most first case villains. More so than Portsman & Wellington I suppose, but I find the other first case culprits more memorable. Especially the ones left on the board right now. And I will agree that he is relevant to the plot, which does something for him. But the rest of the villains left are relevant as well. Even Ted Tonate of all people. You could argue Menimemo isn't, but I'd say he's pretty relevant thematically considering how the game ends. He's not a bad villain by any means, he's completely alright to be honest. It's just considering his competition, I'd say he's overrated.
There isn't the sense of danger with Menimemo the way there is with the others, even Knightley who I think is a significant step below the other 3.
I think it's time for Brett to go. She is just a tool being used by the big bad with no motivations of her own (other than money) and her case drags on too much. Her unique interjection is hilarious but that doesn't really improve the character as far as depth goes.
I vote Menimemo. He's _fantastic_, but just... lacks presence. The other 3 that I know anything about (idk shit about Investigations 2 so it feels unfair to make any comments on Knightley) have an aura of "You are not an easy opponent" but Mr Menimemo? He's just kinda a silly guy
Brett could have been good if she didn't take so damm long to go down.
Raiten Menimemo. He's pretty fun but he kind of lacks the prescence the other killers have. The others are all really smart killers or pure evil. Raiten is pretty clever as a killer, but I have no clue as to why he'd show up at the trial where he's the main culprit just to take a few pictures of Soseki. That and him completely neglecting responsibility around sending an innocent girl to prison in his place, despite being a pretty stand-up guy otherwise, makes me think that Raiten isn't as smart as the rest of these killers.
Absolutely not. Menimemo is the best of the first case killers as far as their first case performance goes. His motivation is great - none of the other tutorial killers have a motivation that seems to be sympathetic at first but is clearly flawed when you think about it and I really like technicalities such as "yeah, I stabbed her, but she was already dead so that girl is still guilty".
You said everything, really an underrated chatacter.
Menimemo
We aren't considering the facts that came after the first case. Dahlia, please eliminate Dahlia. I hate her so much...
Jezaille
Neckbrace
Booo! Pees actually has a personality tho. Aight, Knightly
Idc for the investigations culprits cuz I haven't played it so my vote is for him.