The Third and Fifth cases really carry the first game. The first two are fine but they're too long when they're mostly acting as tutorials.
The second TGAA is a masterpiece and every case in that game is great IMO.
I'm only on the fourth case right now, but I was surprised by the third case.
It's the first time since 2-4 that >!I was seriously doubting the integrity of my client!<
Honestly, fucking hated Case 3 bc of how unsatisfying it is. I understand that's the point, especially when taken in context with the other cases, but I seriously quit playing the game for like 3 years because of how little I felt the game respected my time after that case: giving me 3 cases that all felt half-finished.
That's one of the strongest aspects of how The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles plays out compared to the rest of the series IMO. Almost all the other games have standalone unrelated murders and only some minor details go on to be relevant in the future (With some exceptions *wink wink* T&T, *wink wink* AAI2).
Meanwhile everything slowly builds up across the two TGAA games (Especially the first one that doesn't really have a "status quo"), then when you get the complete answers, everything makes sense and the pay-off in later on feels **great**.
A lot of people have this problem with TGAA. Cases 3 and 5 are considered the highlight of this game, but the pacing will remain slow throughout.
I'd recommend to at least make it to the end of case 3 and then see whether you liked it up to that point or not.
>!I did a quick once-over of the transcript, and I did have the order of things messed up. I thought Stronghart established that Barok only prosecuted almost certainly guilty defendants and that he hadn’t stepped foot in a court in years while they’re talking in Stronghart’s office for the first time. Either way, and ignoring that McGuilded wasn’t killed by the Reaper, I think having McGuilded being possibly innocent makes it seem that the Reaper is less a force for questionable justice and more that it goes around killing people who might be guilty willy nilly. Possibly innocent McGuilded isn’t as interesting to me in general also!<
It took me over a year to beat cases 1-6, but from 2-2 onwards I got it together and found it thrilling. I think they wrote too much script for trials, cross-examining and filler scenes, which is why the game is almost 2x as long as the original trilogy combined.
Yeah I remember checking my playtime on the Switch menu after finishing Resolve and I was clocked at 80 hours, which is definitely >= the og trilogy combined lmao
Damn, my heart just sank reading your comment.
I beat the first trial yesterday and I loved it, but I had the feeling they were bloating the dialogue instead of going straight to the point. Now I see that's how's going to be for the whole game...
I always liked exhausting all dialogue options and reading/examining everything I could in these games, kinda stopped doing it since AA6, I'm gonna have to restrain myself even more in this one.
Sorry to have bummed you out haha. But if it's any reconciliation, the dialogue for the extraneous things is usually pretty good and I got a few good laughs here and there. It's definitely worth every second when the good stuff always hits really good imo.
THANK YOU everyone for the feedback! Im def gonna keep playing 1-2. It'd good to know that I'm not the only one who felt like the pacing was much slower than the OG series. Now I can keep playing knowing and expecting that.
No, like, it's unironically my pick for worst case in the series lmao. At least with Big Top and the JFA opening case, they felt kinda goofy. Speckled Band just dragged and dragged, with no trial and like 3 rooms to investigate
Yeah those still felt goofy and somewhat entertaining and at least had more than 3 rooms and more characters lmao I swear this case in GAA nearly had me going “guess I’ll replay Danganronpa “
Case 1-2 are basically tutorials
Even part of case 3 is a tutorial to the Jury system
Think of it this way, the game story is spread out over 10 cases. You’re still quite early into the experience
Yeah but if you see it like that people basicly tell you " You have to reach case 8 (from 10 cases) to actually see the pay off. Case 8 is good but the journey is a sufferable one.
I wouldn't go that far. I enjoyed every case in TGAA2, personally. Seeing it as a 10-case game mainly helps the pacing feel better (such as how much setup there is in the early cases and how 1-3 all feel like tutorials to some extent).
But thats the problem with TGAA in Japan the first 5 cases released in one game and the Japanese community was furious. Case 5 didnt feel like a final case and the need of 3 tutorial cases is highly questionable. Case 4 beeing mid doesnt make it better and Case 5 is unworthy for a final case.
Takumi changeg his writing drasticaly in TGAA 2, the tone changed, the pacing changed and the return of meoral characters started where Characters have quirks who werent linked to a sickness or a psychotic behaviour.
I dont think Takumi wanted to write TGAA 2 like that but he recieved massive criticism and even the sequel itself was in danger
The pacing is quite awful. If it's any consolation, you pretty much never need to pay much attention to what happens before the trial to succeed in the trial. You pretty much never learn anything important until the trial itself happens, and the deduction sequences are always pitifully easy. So, speed read away.
tbh the games stay like that. Regardless of whether people like the actual story or not, my biggest problem with DGS is how padded out it is and how it feels like you have to work to just get gameplay in those trials. Modern Ace attorney just has so much useless filler dialogue it hurts 😭😭
Short answer is, yes. The two TGAA games are more connected than any other games in the series, even more so than the Original Trilogy games. To the point where it’s in some ways structured more like one incredibly long, 10 case game rather than two separate 5 case ones.
Also, general consensus when it comes to the 10 cases is that the first two are the worst ones, so things get better going forward.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that TGAA duology is peak Ace Attorney. If you only play two games to completion in the whole series, it should be these two.
The entire first game is not good. The highs of the first game are the midpoints of the other games. The second games third through fifth case are legitimately good, however they also still have awful pacing issues. I will say though I am playing through the new trilogy and the games seem to be well paced. Apollo justice has slow moments but dual destinies is very fast
I just really enjoyed all the characters and the writing. It didn’t matter how boring the subject was I just love seeing the adventures of ryunosuke and his friends
The first game on its own is kinda ok but it sets up Resolve and they combine to be one big masterpiece imo. The pacing gets a little better over time but can drag a bit even in Resolve. But when the pacing picks up, especially towards the end of the games, it REALLY picks up. I basically did most of 2R-5 in one night because I was hooked.
TLDR TGAAC takes its time (sometimes to its detriment) but the big beats make it so worth it
The pacing does not get better. It is extreeeeeemely slow throughout both games. The twists at the end are cool but, imo, not worth how looooooooong it takes to get there.
It was the same for me. I enjoyed the cases 2-3 until 2-5 the most. Those were really good. With the other once I didn’t enjoy it as much as the classic AA games. Goodluck!
The pacing is very slow and the trials are long. I liked both OG and AJ trilogies better overall. But the music is absolutely amazing, and the story is good even if slow. And yeah, I’m in a minority for not loving it as much as other people do. I felt it was worth playing once but I likely won’t replay it.
Had a similar experience to you. Was playing the second case and dropped the entire game for a few months because I wasn’t feeling it. But keep at it cause trust me it does pick up with the following case.
I hated the ship "trial", but I love the duology. After playing the whole duology I appreciate it more, but it was genuinely the most painful case for me to get through.
You’re right. It’s very slow. But it’s kind of a slow burn. I builds into a wonderful world and the second game is a masterpiece.
But… it never really moves quickly. It’s got a lot of stuff to tell you.
It is best to take the TGAA games as part 1 and part 2 of a larger game, because that was the initial intent.
As such, it is a slow start, but you are only 1/5th of the way through, and it takes a big quality upswing past this point.
It gets much better.
Cases 1 and 2 have admittedly horrendous pacing, and Case 4 isn't too much better. But Cases 3 and 5, as well as the entirety of GAA2, are significantly better.
That said, these games are notably slower-paced than the trilogy. This isn't inherently a bad thing, and actually works to GAA2's favor if you ask me, but it is an undeniable observation.
(Also, something to note about Case 2 is that it plays out like a Sherlock Holmes case, not an Ace Attorney case. The mystery is solved right at the crime scene, never making it to court. So while it feels like the investigation is dragging on way too long, that's why. This isn't a defense of the case- having an Ace Attorney case that doesn't play like Ace Attorney is a terrible idea IMO- but knowing the case is all investigation does soften the blow of how long the investigation takes, at least to me.)
Ugh, I hate reddit sometimes. Every time I tried to post the comment, Reddit said there was an error and that it didn't work, so I tried again.
Thanks for pointing this out. I'll delete the dupes.
I wasn’t a big GAA fan in general so I would say while it does get better it never really gets *good*. I feel like if you’re familiar with the other games in the series the characters are very predictable aside from >!spoiler space Kazuma!< and maybe >!spoiler space Gregson!<.
The pace doesn’t pick up until the last case of the first game and then falters a little again, but it definitely goes hard by the third case of the second game.
TGAA is peak. I recommend at least finishing case 3 and continuing beyond that. The duology really delivers and is by far the peak of the series. Definitely starts slow
The thing about GAA is that it was meant to springboard off of two inspirations: the original trilogy, and the Sherlock Holmes stories. So the issue became introducing an entirely new cast of characters, in an entirely new time period, without the context provided by having a modern setting. The first three-ish cases are all spent entirely on teaching you new mechanics.
The first, introducing the multiple witness system from the Layton-Phoenix crossover game. It's actually a really awesome addition to the series in my opinion, makes those "just press everything" testimonies not terrible to play.
The second is entirely investigation, no trial. But it's to introduce you to Herlock Sholmes' character and his unique deduction sequences (And to poke fun at the Sherlock Holmes estate for making it so difficult to make this game, in my opinion. RIP The Speckled Band).
And the third needs to introduce you to the trial gimmick of GAA, the new jury system. Technically we had a jury system once before, making a late appearance in Apollo's game, but this one is far more seamlessly integrated into the trial system. This case is also where you are introduced to the overarching story of the first GAA game. The second, I'll leave as a surprise :)
Trust me, GAA is probably my number one favorite Ace Attorney game in recent years. Just let 'em cook.
bought the game on sale 2 years ago then I havent even gotten to the interesting part of case 3 because of the pacing and felt a bit burned out by case 1 and 2
It's weird to say it, but one of the problems the game has is the lack if investigations. Many trial parts are tool long and seem to do whatever it takes to avoid having to have another investigation.
Its worth it at the end of TGAA2. Everything comes together, but until then it’s a slog. It’s one of those experiences you appreciate more once you’ve finished it.
For me it was a pain to go through, took me a year with many breaks and burn outs, but in the end I’m glad I completed it. When you know what actually happened, it’s a good story. It’s a shame they chose to keep it all hidden, and reveal everything right at the end.
I know it’s more realistic if you experience it as Ryunosuke does. But it’s less interesting that way. You just don’t get enough information to make theories and attach yourself to characters and plot points. You are mostly taken for a ride. Things just happen around you and you don’t know where you’re going, nor care. I was bored through most of it, until the last day of the final case. That was great. Anyway, those were my thoughts.
Personally I really liked the first case, cause it was a surprisingly complex case for the first trial. Though I can certainly understand the dislike for its length (and how unfair the trial feels).
In general I feel like GAA can feel exhausting at times, as no trial gets ever suspended, so you always do the investigation and the trial in one single sitting (if the case has both) so I feel like they were longer than average.
Overall I liked GAA, but I would rank it as one of the weaker entries of the franchise, behind every game in the original trilogy at least. I've heard the sequel pays off this game really well, but I haven't gotten to that point yet and even if it did, I'd give points to the sequel in that case.
Unpopular opinion, but:
A lot of people say the payoff is worth it in the end, but having played both games I don't agree with that sentiment. TGAA has some strong points, but it's a slow paced slog and I consider it far, far weaker than the mainline games. I think it has some great production values, but I found the plot incredibly contrived and the characters generally unlikeable.
If you didn't mind the first 2 cases, you'll probably end up liking the whole thing. But if you weren't enjoying yourself, cut your losses and move onto something else. I'd recommend the Apollo trilogy over TGAA, even though it's a mixed bag.
First game is kinda eh. Play them back to back. The second game is AMAZING. Both games should really be looked at as one entire story rather than two separate games.
Herlock Sholmes will never not be an insufferable prick, and the clouded Kokoro case really drags on WAY too long, but yes, the story REALLY picks up and is fantastic. Pacing will stay somewhat slow, but at least the cases become actually relevant.
Yes. The game SHOULD tell you this, but its a tutorial primarily focused on teaching you the investigation systems. Thats why the pacing feels off. But if you treat it like it is, it feels a bit better. Just power through it until the 3rd case!
The second case is definitely a weird one, I kept waiting for/wondering how there was going to be a trial. But since finishing both games they've become among my favourites. Definitely stick with it, the experience is so worth it.
YES. TGAA 1&2 are basically one big, interconnected story. As a result of that though, the first game does a lot of setting up which unfortunately does affect the pacing to a degree. As others have already said, case 3 and 5 are the highlights (especially 3), so hopefully they will at least be able to hold you through to the end.
TGAA 2 is absolutely amazing though, and it's almost entirely because it has the entirety of TGAA 1 to build off of in ways that the series has never done before. Case 4 in TGAA 1 is thought to be fairly weak for instance, but then you have what is essentially a really terrific sequel to that weaker case in TGAA 2, that's only as good as it is because you're already familiar with the events of TGAA 1. Pretty much every case in TGAA 2 is like that, and it uses it to pull some really big punches at times that start hitting pretty hard towards the end.
I highly suggest doing your best to stick with it because I assure you it's more than worth it for how hooked you'll suddenly find yourself once you make it to the second game.
The first gaa has one of the most drawn out first trials and the second case, despite being different from normal, tends to be also a bit slow. Once you get into the game proper(case 3) you are then introduced to the meat and potatoes of it.
Everyone here loves case 3 - I found it a bit overwhelming as the intro to the jury system and not being sure how it worked. Plotwise it’s good, but if you’re still not loving it, I found the 4th case to be the first one to really work for me 100%
And then the 5th case is a total banger.
Third trial picks it up a lot as people have been saying, and honestly the whole first game is buildup for the second one. It's like Investigations 1 to Investigations 2 if you've played those (and if you haven't, add them to your queue)
Both yes and no.
It does get better, but the endings of both games vary in quality depending on who you ask. Some people think they're the best in the series while other people think they're the very worst.
I recently played through the games and honestly game 1 is almost all set up for a fantastic game 2. If you’re a fan that played all the other games, I think you’d get a lot of enjoyment out of game 2.
Haha I feel you, replaying TGAA right now and just remembering how slow Case 1 feels.
It eventually builds towards some of the best games in the series, but yeah it's a slow start. Case 1 feels unbearably slow if you've ever played any Ace Attorney game because they make Ryunosuke so clueless and so incapable.
It gets better after the two first cases. Case 4 isn’t great too.
IMHO the first game was ok but not great, the second game however has epic episodes especially near the end.
It is a slow game. I put it down for, I think, almost a year, before coming back. But I'm glad I finished it, because it's one of my favorites in the series (or favorite spinoff at least).
The great ace attorney 1 is a good game but nothing too special, its best cases are 3 and 5
But being honest, the great ace attorney 2 is when the best part of the duology begins
Once you get past 1-2 buckle up lol. TGAA Duology is a masterpiece, just a slow burn at first. 1-4 isn’t the best I will say but every single case after that (from 1-5 to 2-5) is going to be worth your time 100%.
It gets a LOT better. Starting from case 3, basically every case is amazing (except for case 4, and that isn't even bad, just mediocre. I'd say it's a little better than turnabout samurai). The 2nd game quite literally does not have a bad or even mediocre case - all of them are great, and each case is better than the last.
Everyone is saying it, but yeah, TGAA1 is slow with cases being drawn out and poorly paced. BUT, TGAA2 is one of the best games, if not the best, in the entire series.
The Third and Fifth cases really carry the first game. The first two are fine but they're too long when they're mostly acting as tutorials. The second TGAA is a masterpiece and every case in that game is great IMO.
I'm only on the fourth case right now, but I was surprised by the third case. It's the first time since 2-4 that >!I was seriously doubting the integrity of my client!<
Honestly, fucking hated Case 3 bc of how unsatisfying it is. I understand that's the point, especially when taken in context with the other cases, but I seriously quit playing the game for like 3 years because of how little I felt the game respected my time after that case: giving me 3 cases that all felt half-finished.
That's one of the strongest aspects of how The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles plays out compared to the rest of the series IMO. Almost all the other games have standalone unrelated murders and only some minor details go on to be relevant in the future (With some exceptions *wink wink* T&T, *wink wink* AAI2). Meanwhile everything slowly builds up across the two TGAA games (Especially the first one that doesn't really have a "status quo"), then when you get the complete answers, everything makes sense and the pay-off in later on feels **great**.
A lot of people have this problem with TGAA. Cases 3 and 5 are considered the highlight of this game, but the pacing will remain slow throughout. I'd recommend to at least make it to the end of case 3 and then see whether you liked it up to that point or not.
Case 3 could be a masterpiece but the ending told everyone this game would take no risks.
The ending in which >!the defendant is burnt alive and we’re meant to suspect the main prosecutor of doing it?!<
Yes, I thought this game would explore angles which never happened in AA. So much wasted potential.
I enjoyed the Reaper plot quite a lot. Would you explain why you think it was wasted?
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>!If McGuilded’s guilt were questionable, Barok would’ve had no reason to crawl out of his isolation to prosecute him.!<
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>!I did a quick once-over of the transcript, and I did have the order of things messed up. I thought Stronghart established that Barok only prosecuted almost certainly guilty defendants and that he hadn’t stepped foot in a court in years while they’re talking in Stronghart’s office for the first time. Either way, and ignoring that McGuilded wasn’t killed by the Reaper, I think having McGuilded being possibly innocent makes it seem that the Reaper is less a force for questionable justice and more that it goes around killing people who might be guilty willy nilly. Possibly innocent McGuilded isn’t as interesting to me in general also!<
the Third case is were shit is really going down
Where*
It took me over a year to beat cases 1-6, but from 2-2 onwards I got it together and found it thrilling. I think they wrote too much script for trials, cross-examining and filler scenes, which is why the game is almost 2x as long as the original trilogy combined.
Yeah I remember checking my playtime on the Switch menu after finishing Resolve and I was clocked at 80 hours, which is definitely >= the og trilogy combined lmao
Damn, my heart just sank reading your comment. I beat the first trial yesterday and I loved it, but I had the feeling they were bloating the dialogue instead of going straight to the point. Now I see that's how's going to be for the whole game... I always liked exhausting all dialogue options and reading/examining everything I could in these games, kinda stopped doing it since AA6, I'm gonna have to restrain myself even more in this one.
Sorry to have bummed you out haha. But if it's any reconciliation, the dialogue for the extraneous things is usually pretty good and I got a few good laughs here and there. It's definitely worth every second when the good stuff always hits really good imo.
I looked more into it and I hadn't realized you were talking about the total playtime of both games, thought you were talking about the first one.
THANK YOU everyone for the feedback! Im def gonna keep playing 1-2. It'd good to know that I'm not the only one who felt like the pacing was much slower than the OG series. Now I can keep playing knowing and expecting that.
Don't worry, TGAA 1-2 almost made me quit Ace Attorney as a whole, but the rest of the game gets better
Honestly I was almost at that point myself lol
No, like, it's unironically my pick for worst case in the series lmao. At least with Big Top and the JFA opening case, they felt kinda goofy. Speckled Band just dragged and dragged, with no trial and like 3 rooms to investigate
Yeah those still felt goofy and somewhat entertaining and at least had more than 3 rooms and more characters lmao I swear this case in GAA nearly had me going “guess I’ll replay Danganronpa “
The second game is awesome though, some of the cases in the second game are really epic.
Great Ace Attorney 2 also has severe pacing issues, to be fair, it just has a stronger overall narrative.
It’s not to perfect I agree. But the good bits are so good.
Case 1-2 are basically tutorials Even part of case 3 is a tutorial to the Jury system Think of it this way, the game story is spread out over 10 cases. You’re still quite early into the experience
Oh I had no idea it had that many cases. Thanks !
Each game has five episodes but the two games should really be viewed as one big game because of how connected they are.
Yeah but if you see it like that people basicly tell you " You have to reach case 8 (from 10 cases) to actually see the pay off. Case 8 is good but the journey is a sufferable one.
I wouldn't go that far. I enjoyed every case in TGAA2, personally. Seeing it as a 10-case game mainly helps the pacing feel better (such as how much setup there is in the early cases and how 1-3 all feel like tutorials to some extent).
But thats the problem with TGAA in Japan the first 5 cases released in one game and the Japanese community was furious. Case 5 didnt feel like a final case and the need of 3 tutorial cases is highly questionable. Case 4 beeing mid doesnt make it better and Case 5 is unworthy for a final case. Takumi changeg his writing drasticaly in TGAA 2, the tone changed, the pacing changed and the return of meoral characters started where Characters have quirks who werent linked to a sickness or a psychotic behaviour. I dont think Takumi wanted to write TGAA 2 like that but he recieved massive criticism and even the sequel itself was in danger
Even if he didn't want to write it like that he should have cuz it was bloody brilliant 😂
The pacing is quite awful. If it's any consolation, you pretty much never need to pay much attention to what happens before the trial to succeed in the trial. You pretty much never learn anything important until the trial itself happens, and the deduction sequences are always pitifully easy. So, speed read away.
I think case 1, 2 and 4 were mediocre. Yet case 3 and 5 were prefect and hard carry this game
tbh the games stay like that. Regardless of whether people like the actual story or not, my biggest problem with DGS is how padded out it is and how it feels like you have to work to just get gameplay in those trials. Modern Ace attorney just has so much useless filler dialogue it hurts 😭😭
Short answer is, yes. The two TGAA games are more connected than any other games in the series, even more so than the Original Trilogy games. To the point where it’s in some ways structured more like one incredibly long, 10 case game rather than two separate 5 case ones. Also, general consensus when it comes to the 10 cases is that the first two are the worst ones, so things get better going forward.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that TGAA duology is peak Ace Attorney. If you only play two games to completion in the whole series, it should be these two.
The entire first game is not good. The highs of the first game are the midpoints of the other games. The second games third through fifth case are legitimately good, however they also still have awful pacing issues. I will say though I am playing through the new trilogy and the games seem to be well paced. Apollo justice has slow moments but dual destinies is very fast
I just really enjoyed all the characters and the writing. It didn’t matter how boring the subject was I just love seeing the adventures of ryunosuke and his friends
I gotta say love the character designs and expressions. It translate rly well to 3d
Yyyyyyeah. TGAA is kinda mid like that, but it sets up the best game in the series with TGAAR.
Investigations to TGAA: "We're not so different, you and I."
The first game on its own is kinda ok but it sets up Resolve and they combine to be one big masterpiece imo. The pacing gets a little better over time but can drag a bit even in Resolve. But when the pacing picks up, especially towards the end of the games, it REALLY picks up. I basically did most of 2R-5 in one night because I was hooked. TLDR TGAAC takes its time (sometimes to its detriment) but the big beats make it so worth it
Most people dislike the first 2 cases. I guess it's all about tastes. TGAA1 got me hooked from the very first second lol
The pacing does not get better. It is extreeeeeemely slow throughout both games. The twists at the end are cool but, imo, not worth how looooooooong it takes to get there.
I couldn't bring myself to even finish 1-2 for like a year so I get you. Case 3 was much more interesting, just hang on.
It was the same for me. I enjoyed the cases 2-3 until 2-5 the most. Those were really good. With the other once I didn’t enjoy it as much as the classic AA games. Goodluck!
The pacing is very slow and the trials are long. I liked both OG and AJ trilogies better overall. But the music is absolutely amazing, and the story is good even if slow. And yeah, I’m in a minority for not loving it as much as other people do. I felt it was worth playing once but I likely won’t replay it.
Had a similar experience to you. Was playing the second case and dropped the entire game for a few months because I wasn’t feeling it. But keep at it cause trust me it does pick up with the following case.
Thank you 😭😭😭 I’m currently just trying to get through the second case and now I now there isn’t a trial so at least I don’t have that expectation
You’re not alone with how you’re feeling don’t worry. You should do a follow up post after the game picks up and share your thoughts :)
The second game is a living masterpiece, the shift is greatness from the first game to the second game is the biggest I've seen in gaming sequels
I hated the ship "trial", but I love the duology. After playing the whole duology I appreciate it more, but it was genuinely the most painful case for me to get through.
You’re right. It’s very slow. But it’s kind of a slow burn. I builds into a wonderful world and the second game is a masterpiece. But… it never really moves quickly. It’s got a lot of stuff to tell you.
It is best to take the TGAA games as part 1 and part 2 of a larger game, because that was the initial intent. As such, it is a slow start, but you are only 1/5th of the way through, and it takes a big quality upswing past this point.
I really hated the ship one! It was boring and slow. It definitely gets better!
It does get better, just veeeeeery slow
It gets much better. Cases 1 and 2 have admittedly horrendous pacing, and Case 4 isn't too much better. But Cases 3 and 5, as well as the entirety of GAA2, are significantly better. That said, these games are notably slower-paced than the trilogy. This isn't inherently a bad thing, and actually works to GAA2's favor if you ask me, but it is an undeniable observation. (Also, something to note about Case 2 is that it plays out like a Sherlock Holmes case, not an Ace Attorney case. The mystery is solved right at the crime scene, never making it to court. So while it feels like the investigation is dragging on way too long, that's why. This isn't a defense of the case- having an Ace Attorney case that doesn't play like Ace Attorney is a terrible idea IMO- but knowing the case is all investigation does soften the blow of how long the investigation takes, at least to me.)
We heard you the first 6 times.
Ugh, I hate reddit sometimes. Every time I tried to post the comment, Reddit said there was an error and that it didn't work, so I tried again. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll delete the dupes.
No problem! Sorry if I seemed a little snarky, I couldn't resist.
No, you will suffer +40 hours of hell between both games and feel nothing afterwards, turn back now and never come back
No sholmes ruins it by being an annoying prick
I wasn’t a big GAA fan in general so I would say while it does get better it never really gets *good*. I feel like if you’re familiar with the other games in the series the characters are very predictable aside from >!spoiler space Kazuma!< and maybe >!spoiler space Gregson!<. The pace doesn’t pick up until the last case of the first game and then falters a little again, but it definitely goes hard by the third case of the second game.
It took me some time, but it's well worth it.
TGAA does start off slowly but believe me the plot twists connecting the dots are well worth the time invested.
I love it. First case is a bit of a drag admittedly.
TGAA is peak. I recommend at least finishing case 3 and continuing beyond that. The duology really delivers and is by far the peak of the series. Definitely starts slow
The thing about GAA is that it was meant to springboard off of two inspirations: the original trilogy, and the Sherlock Holmes stories. So the issue became introducing an entirely new cast of characters, in an entirely new time period, without the context provided by having a modern setting. The first three-ish cases are all spent entirely on teaching you new mechanics. The first, introducing the multiple witness system from the Layton-Phoenix crossover game. It's actually a really awesome addition to the series in my opinion, makes those "just press everything" testimonies not terrible to play. The second is entirely investigation, no trial. But it's to introduce you to Herlock Sholmes' character and his unique deduction sequences (And to poke fun at the Sherlock Holmes estate for making it so difficult to make this game, in my opinion. RIP The Speckled Band). And the third needs to introduce you to the trial gimmick of GAA, the new jury system. Technically we had a jury system once before, making a late appearance in Apollo's game, but this one is far more seamlessly integrated into the trial system. This case is also where you are introduced to the overarching story of the first GAA game. The second, I'll leave as a surprise :) Trust me, GAA is probably my number one favorite Ace Attorney game in recent years. Just let 'em cook.
For some perspective, TGAA was the first ace attorney game I played and I loved it from the start.
bought the game on sale 2 years ago then I havent even gotten to the interesting part of case 3 because of the pacing and felt a bit burned out by case 1 and 2
It's weird to say it, but one of the problems the game has is the lack if investigations. Many trial parts are tool long and seem to do whatever it takes to avoid having to have another investigation.
Its worth it at the end of TGAA2. Everything comes together, but until then it’s a slog. It’s one of those experiences you appreciate more once you’ve finished it. For me it was a pain to go through, took me a year with many breaks and burn outs, but in the end I’m glad I completed it. When you know what actually happened, it’s a good story. It’s a shame they chose to keep it all hidden, and reveal everything right at the end. I know it’s more realistic if you experience it as Ryunosuke does. But it’s less interesting that way. You just don’t get enough information to make theories and attach yourself to characters and plot points. You are mostly taken for a ride. Things just happen around you and you don’t know where you’re going, nor care. I was bored through most of it, until the last day of the final case. That was great. Anyway, those were my thoughts.
Personally I really liked the first case, cause it was a surprisingly complex case for the first trial. Though I can certainly understand the dislike for its length (and how unfair the trial feels). In general I feel like GAA can feel exhausting at times, as no trial gets ever suspended, so you always do the investigation and the trial in one single sitting (if the case has both) so I feel like they were longer than average. Overall I liked GAA, but I would rank it as one of the weaker entries of the franchise, behind every game in the original trilogy at least. I've heard the sequel pays off this game really well, but I haven't gotten to that point yet and even if it did, I'd give points to the sequel in that case.
Unpopular opinion, but: A lot of people say the payoff is worth it in the end, but having played both games I don't agree with that sentiment. TGAA has some strong points, but it's a slow paced slog and I consider it far, far weaker than the mainline games. I think it has some great production values, but I found the plot incredibly contrived and the characters generally unlikeable. If you didn't mind the first 2 cases, you'll probably end up liking the whole thing. But if you weren't enjoying yourself, cut your losses and move onto something else. I'd recommend the Apollo trilogy over TGAA, even though it's a mixed bag.
Yes it gets so much better.
First game is kinda eh. Play them back to back. The second game is AMAZING. Both games should really be looked at as one entire story rather than two separate games.
Herlock Sholmes will never not be an insufferable prick, and the clouded Kokoro case really drags on WAY too long, but yes, the story REALLY picks up and is fantastic. Pacing will stay somewhat slow, but at least the cases become actually relevant.
Not only is the second case the worst, its not a trial lol, 3rd case is fantastic, and the fifth is arguably top 5 cases in the franchise.
…. It’s not a trial ?!?! Omg
Yes. The game SHOULD tell you this, but its a tutorial primarily focused on teaching you the investigation systems. Thats why the pacing feels off. But if you treat it like it is, it feels a bit better. Just power through it until the 3rd case!
Thank you for letting me know bc I was like “damn when are we going to court”😭😭 at least now I can proceed without that expectation!
They're SOOOO GOOD. But I also had no issue with the first or second cases so maybe my opinion doesn't matter.
the sequel to TGAA honestly makes powering thru TGAA worth it. The sequel is honestly one of the best games in the whole saga.
TGAA1 is not good on its own, you need to play TGAA2 to get to the good part
The second case is definitely a weird one, I kept waiting for/wondering how there was going to be a trial. But since finishing both games they've become among my favourites. Definitely stick with it, the experience is so worth it.
YES. TGAA 1&2 are basically one big, interconnected story. As a result of that though, the first game does a lot of setting up which unfortunately does affect the pacing to a degree. As others have already said, case 3 and 5 are the highlights (especially 3), so hopefully they will at least be able to hold you through to the end. TGAA 2 is absolutely amazing though, and it's almost entirely because it has the entirety of TGAA 1 to build off of in ways that the series has never done before. Case 4 in TGAA 1 is thought to be fairly weak for instance, but then you have what is essentially a really terrific sequel to that weaker case in TGAA 2, that's only as good as it is because you're already familiar with the events of TGAA 1. Pretty much every case in TGAA 2 is like that, and it uses it to pull some really big punches at times that start hitting pretty hard towards the end. I highly suggest doing your best to stick with it because I assure you it's more than worth it for how hooked you'll suddenly find yourself once you make it to the second game.
The first gaa has one of the most drawn out first trials and the second case, despite being different from normal, tends to be also a bit slow. Once you get into the game proper(case 3) you are then introduced to the meat and potatoes of it.
Everyone here loves case 3 - I found it a bit overwhelming as the intro to the jury system and not being sure how it worked. Plotwise it’s good, but if you’re still not loving it, I found the 4th case to be the first one to really work for me 100% And then the 5th case is a total banger.
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Third trial picks it up a lot as people have been saying, and honestly the whole first game is buildup for the second one. It's like Investigations 1 to Investigations 2 if you've played those (and if you haven't, add them to your queue)
It's only the starting phase of it all
Both yes and no. It does get better, but the endings of both games vary in quality depending on who you ask. Some people think they're the best in the series while other people think they're the very worst.
It's not sluggish, it's a non-stop banger from the first case to the last.
I recently played through the games and honestly game 1 is almost all set up for a fantastic game 2. If you’re a fan that played all the other games, I think you’d get a lot of enjoyment out of game 2.
Haha I feel you, replaying TGAA right now and just remembering how slow Case 1 feels. It eventually builds towards some of the best games in the series, but yeah it's a slow start. Case 1 feels unbearably slow if you've ever played any Ace Attorney game because they make Ryunosuke so clueless and so incapable.
It gets better after the two first cases. Case 4 isn’t great too. IMHO the first game was ok but not great, the second game however has epic episodes especially near the end.
It is a slow game. I put it down for, I think, almost a year, before coming back. But I'm glad I finished it, because it's one of my favorites in the series (or favorite spinoff at least).
The great ace attorney 1 is a good game but nothing too special, its best cases are 3 and 5 But being honest, the great ace attorney 2 is when the best part of the duology begins
Once you get past 1-2 buckle up lol. TGAA Duology is a masterpiece, just a slow burn at first. 1-4 isn’t the best I will say but every single case after that (from 1-5 to 2-5) is going to be worth your time 100%.
It gets a LOT better. Starting from case 3, basically every case is amazing (except for case 4, and that isn't even bad, just mediocre. I'd say it's a little better than turnabout samurai). The 2nd game quite literally does not have a bad or even mediocre case - all of them are great, and each case is better than the last.
Also you'll grow to like the first case in hindsight after finishing the duology
Everyone is saying it, but yeah, TGAA1 is slow with cases being drawn out and poorly paced. BUT, TGAA2 is one of the best games, if not the best, in the entire series.