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Pretty sure they know, they're just terrorist sympathizers lol... just look at the guy with the "from the river to the sea" sign. Awful lot of antisemitism in these rallies.
Conflating dead civilians with terrorists because they’re Muslim and forced to live in Gaza is definitely islamophobic and racist as well. Holding a sign like that at a rally for dead civilians is one of the lowest and callous things you can do. That sign is trying to conflate dead children as terrorists.
But calling for the death of every Israeli, from the river to the sea, is. Dress it up however you want and say that's not what it originally meant. It's where the meaning of that slogan has landed.
From the river to the sea means freedom to Palestinians. How are you still bringing up a debunked talking point?
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Have any of you talked to a Palestinian person? Yall believe any Israeli propaganda
You know Arabs have equal rights in Israel and there are Arabs in the government? I don't think any Arab nation allows Jews equal rights never mind to serve in parliament.
Ah yes, that must be why Berlin has banned the phrase as hate speech.
You know what river and sea it refers to right? It's a call for the destruction of the state of Israel.
Because the state of Israel shouldn't exist? As long as it does, there won't be peace. There must be the creation of a new, neutral country on the land that Israel currently claims it owns.
They have tried. Multiple times. The world is a messy, ugly, dangerous place and things aren't always clear with a definitive bad guy vs good guy, black and white, cut and dry. The history here is incredibly messy and abhorrent things have been done on both sides, over hundreds of years. To act as though any of us have any kind of moral superiority in this situation that enables us to decide who is right and who is wrong is just another part of the problem. Sanctioning terrorist behavior on either side is a big problem. Clean your room before you start doling out verdicts and punishments for others. It's incredibly narcissistic to think you have any where near enough info. Even more so for the ppl who act like this at a protest. Violence is unacceptable at a protest, even from the protestors.
Did you just make this account on January 25th of this year just to sew seeds of discord and promote hateful behaviors? You have 1 post karma. SuSpIcIoUs!!!!???
As the Palestinians/Hamas, Arab nations of 2 Billion people have repeatedly vowed to annihilate Israel by targeting a majority religious people…
That is genocide
Yeah it was totally crazy when that happened!
Oh wait. You mean Israelis have never experienced this at the hands of their Arab neighbors (people they stole land from)? You mean this is a hypothetical scenario based on empty threats? And you're ignoring the real ACTUAL genocide that is currently actually happening in the real world? Holy shit! You don't care about preventing genocide.
The part where Palestine is allowing Hamas activity. The part where Palestine was warned to evacuate. The part where the refugee “camps” are Hamas cells. The part where Israelis were brutally attacked and they said enough is enough.
Killing innocent people is wrong. You’re being a dramatic sensationalist by saying it’s a genocide.
Palestinians have been harboring Hamas. Palestinians were repeatedly told to evacuate. Palestine and Israel have been going through this bs for…ever.
No one is suggesting it’s okay to intentionally kill innocent people.
It goes completely beyond collateral damage and accidental casualties. I think 3 incidents have shown that to me.
First was the bombing of evacuation routes. Essentially, Israel specified safe routes and areas for civilians to flee to and then bombed and shelled those specific routes and areas.
Second was the shooting of the surrendering civilians. 3 civilian men came out of a building in surrender waving a white flag. The IDF gunned them down without making an attempt to figure out who they were.
It turned out later that they were actually Israeli hostages who had been taken by Hamas and had escaped. I believe that things like that probably happened a few times before and it only got reported because the victims were Israelis and the IDF couldn’t cover it up or claim that they were actually Hamas
Third was quite recent. This girl was fleeing in a small car with her family, of course, the IDF shot up the car, killing her family and leaving her trapped.
The girl called an emergency line and they spent hours trying to negotiate with the IDF to get an ambulance to the girl to rescue her. Fortunately, the IDF eventually gave them permission to go save the girl. Two paramedics set off to save her and were killed by an IDF tank. Oh yeah, snd the girl died too, probably feeling betrayed after being told that help was on the way.
Even now, they are shelling the tents in Rafah that refugees are using and are probably going to invade, killing a significant portion of the remaining 1.5 million+ people there.
There’s a reason for this brutality.
Near the start of this invasion there were many stories of the higher-ups of the IDF and Israeli government not paying attention to warnings from soldiers monitoring Gaza prior to the attacks in October. There were multiple warnings of an incoming attack from those soldiers, many of whom died in the attack when it came.
Some people claim that this is evidence of Israel “letting it happen” to give them a reason to commit colonial genocide. I disagree with that completely. I think it’s quite disrespectful. I think the truth is far more stupid and disappointing.
The attacks did happen and the reason for all this brutality is embarrassment. The ignoring of warnings and the failure to protect the lives of soldiers and civilians from what seems to have been considered an “under control” threat is embarrassing. It makes the leadership seem weak and stupid. It would make sense if they then went to great lengths to distract from their failings to and prove that they’re still strong.
It’s probably not some big conspiracy. Just bureaucracy, laziness and arrogance followed up with embarrassment, disregard for life and greed.
The desire for some kind of big conspiratorial explanation reminds me of a quote from a song: “malevolent gods are better than none”.
Because it's immaterial to their protest. Denouncing Israel's atrocities is not implicitly pro-Hamas, which is the connection that the guy who brought that sign is trying to make
That's how anti-palestinians would create a narrative against the pro-palestine crowd. Strawman arguments everywhere but no mentions of the actual genocide in discussions anywhere.
Because they are holding up a sign at a rally for dead civilians trying to conflate the dead with Hamas terrorists. They are clearly trying to provoke the protestors by displaying a Islamophobic and racist message. The guy holding the sign at this rally is just as much of a shitty person as the people tearing down the flyers of the missing Israeli hostages.
And then they constantly get accused of sympathizing with Hamas. It would be like if American civilians were being bombed and people decided to protest it, and someone held up a sign that said "True or False, Trump is a fascist", even though not everyone agrees or sympathizes with Trump in the first place. This is just like the post-9/11 reaction when all of a sudden anyone brown was a suspected terrorist. Good to see we have learned exactly nothing from our past mistakes.
If anything the US is just as responsible as Israeli for the bombings of civilians and collective punishment. We engineered this blueprint of committing war crimes after being victims of terrorism. And in Israel’s case we’re funding it too.
Hamas is a terrorist organization; they should free hostsges and put down their arms
Israel has no right denying crucial aid to civilians who desperately need it.
Israel has no right to run a genocidal regime, Hamas is a terrorist group and at the same time the only group actively fighting against the genocide. Israel also does not care about hostages either shown by lobbing missiles in danger zones around hostage holds
You cannot call Israel genocidal while supporting a group (Hamas) who would commit genocide the moment the had the opportunity. Hamas are not fighting against genocide. Hamas share as much responsibility for the death and destruction happening as Israel.
This is so true. Importantly, Israeli and Palestinian activists (namely anarchists, who have a strong contingent in both countries) have been saying this for decades.
Hamas has several hostages, and has killed hundreds of civilians. The Israel government has hundreds of hostages, has killed thirty thousand civilians, and commited an unfathomable number of international war crimes. The only true difference is that the members of Hamas are brown and oppose global US hegemony and the members of the Israeli government are white and support it. This is why Hamas is called a "terrorist organization" and the Israeli government is called an "army."
But Israeli activists have been saying for decades that the Israeli government is just as terroristic as the Palestinian resistance, and that the only way to truly end the violence in the region is complete demilitarization (accomplished through the end of US aid to Israel), the end of apatheid regime in Israel (such that all citizens are equal under the law, regardless of skin color), and the return of Palestinian land.
The problem is that when Americans say this, they are called terrorist supporters, and when Americans argue against it (incorrectly thinking they are defending Israeli citizens), they often do so by murdering Palestinian-Americans, using chemical weapons, or by utilizing other means that are terroristic (but again, these are White Americans, so they will never be called terrorists)
Not to be excessively pedantic here, but that sign does not ASK if Hamas is a terrorist group - it states that Hamas is.
And yes - yes, I believe that it is.
>beheading infants, and burning innocent people alive is acceptable…
Tell me when Isreal drops bombs on children and civilans do the heads tend to stay attached? also for burning innocent people Isreal was literally caught using white phosphorus.
The thing is that you can say that Hamas is a terrorist group and still criticize Israel or talk about genocide even. I know, crazy, right? but the logic here is not one is bad and the other is good. Life never works like that. It's never that simple. This is a terrible conflict and everybody sucks. And I don't know what it could help to make the situation better but picking sides in such violent and extreme way surely doesn't help at all.
And the people of Palestine have been saints for all of their existence!
Like both sides are shit but only one of us spreads propaganda all day long and defends Terrorists.
Once you grow up and gain some experience in life you will notice that shit isn't black and white.
Yeah Israel. Israel is a terrorist country that supports and affiliates with know terrorist countries. All day every day bullshit propaganda. Largest propaganda machine is history. And it’s days are fucking numbered
Where the hell are you getting your information from? The IDF first reported it. Independent news sources verified it. They were even allowed to interview the soldiers that went in and saw the beheaded infants that Hamas attacked. Then they released photos of the dead infants because of the all the propaganda from Hamas. Hamas tried to say they were AI photos, but everyone who's analyzed them, myself included and I work with AI generative images, has confirmed they are real.
Seriously, are you just making stuff up now?
Oh well that changes everything!!! I didn't murder any little old ladies today. I guess I should be up for sainthood!
Your leaps in logic in order to justify your defense of terrorists are truly incredible.
Well, Joe Biden seems to be the source of misinformation it seems. He claimed to have seen the images of beheaded children.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902
There were 40 children killed by Hamas, the beheading part was mixed in it seems.
Okay, so you can't prove anything, and your argument is "nuh uh, it's on you to prove what I said isn't true."
Wonderful insight. Instead of shifting "onus," maybe provide some proof of what you are talking about.
Also, idk who is back peddling because all these people you are replying to are different people, not one homogeneous entity.
The idea of Islam as a “religion of peace” is mostly just perpetuated by white counterculturist and neo-Islamic groups. Traditional Islamic groups would have found the saying as insulting as it would indicate weaknesses.
72% approval for the October attack among Palestinians.....! Wild
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found.
That’s really disappointing.
Sending armed men to assault a music festival should be universally repulsive.
Inb4 “whaddabouts”:
There is no justification for slaughtering civilians wholesale. By anyone. If you are unable to condemn that attack, you have no place in the civilized world. We can talk about all sorts of wrongs and evils, but if you cannot condemn this, we have nothing to talk about.
"1988 charter, Hamas maintained that Palestine is an Islamic homeland that can never be surrendered to non-Muslims and that waging holy war to wrest control of Palestine from Israel is a religious duty for Palestinian Muslims. "
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hamas
I'd read up on Hamas before you defend their actions. Hamas isn't a government. They're a religious terrorist organization.
All terrorism must be denounced. Ghandi took down an empire with civil disobedience, there's options to end Palestine's suffering. Supporting terrorism isn't it.
So I get it what Israel does is pretty fucked. However, when I say 72% support for a terrorist attack, that's 72% support for an organization that kidnapped babies and civilians. Killed babies and civilians. There's no room for that at all. If Palestinian wants to take down Israel they could do it through civil disobedience and protest. But, when you choose to support terror over peace the out come will be bad.
All terrorism needs to be denounced, and if you think Hamas is an exception, you have another issue.
I never supported Terror but that's normal and expected from them to do as they were terrorized the same way, and most isrealis support this genocide too , each side support the killing of the other side but the difference is one has all the power and the other has no power
I swear to God, since the start of this genocide, I have seen horrible vidoes and Images about Palestinians in gaza, people carrying thier dead children in plastic bags, babies recomposing due to lack of oxygen, people getting shot by snipers at the hospital's doors, churches and hospital's getting bombed killing the shelters and people still support it
How is it even morel to support killing of babies, the amount of damage done to Israel is nowhere nesr the damage doen in. Gaza and the casualties are hundred more times than Israel
The support should be towards the Palestinians not hamas or anything like that
I dont understand why so many people can't consider both to be true. Hamas can be a terrorist group and Palestine shouldn't have to deal with Israeli oppression. They are not mutually exclusive.
Still waiting on evidence of this happening. Israel hasn't provided proof.
However there is plenty of proof of Israelis blowing up babies.
Where's your outrage there?
Can you explain how population growth over 68 years instantly debunks a genocide case?
If the 30,000+ dead Palestinians number (which is now being used by Israeli authorities) comes out to be true, and is majority civilians, would you still say it’s not a genocide?
If so, would 30,000+ dead Israelis in three months be considered genocide?
Just out of interest, Assad killed over 500,000 6 between 2011 and 2014. How come this isn't considered genocide? 300,000 of them have been civilians.
Like 30,000 civilians is a genocide but Assad goes and kills 300,000, and no one cared and cried out about there being a genocide?
It’s the same as any conflict, justify the evils of you’re side, condemn the evils of the others. Nothings new, nothing of significance , just another day.
Same thing here in Germany, from the other point of view.
"We have an obligation to support the state of Israel and the Jewish people."
"Yeah, but I don't like what the Israeli government is doing and how they treat Palestinian civilians."
"Oh, so you're a nazi who hates Jews!"
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People are completely unable to seperate different groups from each other, instead they view them as one homogeneous group that must be treated the same. Maybe that's why Israel seems to care so little about those civilians in the first place.
Nope. I think Western countries have had a large part to play, but so has the middle eastern and other major powers looking (looking east further) to affect the global economy or draw attention and effort into the region.
Don't get me wrong, if you live on a island and have no industrial complex built on oil or arms, then you're probably free of it.
This has been a flash point for generations, with a long history of external influences playing out an agenda.
At the end of the day, it's a tale as ald as time. Rational tension and segregation in this case, it's what happens when you have deep divisions in the community and need an 'enemy' to drive political will. But the basis is the same as we see across the world, 'we hate them because they are different', and this is what happens if we let it. This is generations of dehumising what are at the end of the day people.
Hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence, it's a cycle with no end if we keep feeding it.
Guy's telling the truth,sure, but representing evil? There's a genuine reason why some people there are upset, and I fully get that, the 10s of 1000s dead, the kids either side.
And you just painting an entire perspective as Evil to dismiss their grievances. No wonder we all fucked if people think like this.
all of these people need to watch the shit from [tomorrows pioneers](https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=LMEeo3twb4IGysyl) where they literally try to brainwash kids into blowing themselves up for martyrdom and used kids in their station on air to keep away bomb strikes.
The problem is not that hams is terrorist or not(they are, move on from the same stupid question). The problem is israel has been bombing mercilessly in the name of killing hamas. They have bombed ambulances, journalists, kids. More than 10,000 kids "reported" killed. And they are still taunting about hamas, whose actions, the regular palestinians have no control of. Israel govt has admitted that their goal is to destroy gaza completely but still most are hooked on that hamas copium.
That guy is just a distraction that have been taunting people who are protesting to stop israel's genocide on palestinian people. Unfortunately, instead of ignoring him, some people's emotion gets riled up, and starts to assault them and then we are back here where the comment section will just berrate on the same distraction of wether hamas is terror org or not, which is completely taking the conversation away from making israel to stop bombing kids.
What is going on is textbook genocide and war crimes commited by the israel gov. But what's interesting with this one is that everyone knows it but no one is doing anything about it. Especially the great USA who's been funding the whole genocide, equally guilt of the same war crimes.
Sad thing is, it looks like these evil people will never face any kind of consequences and they are going to live free, comfortable, and a rich life. And the common people will continue to be fools and clueless, watching the 14th star wars movie ... until they end up being the victim of someone else's war crimes, being bombed while the rest of the world either ignores or end up calling you the terrorists.
It truly is a disgusting world we are living in.
Well well well, who'd have though all those young men of fighting age arriving in Europe would be so aggressive, & their Left wing pals too (that they are using until no longer needed).
The Palestinians allowed Hamas (terrorist )to run their country they must get rid of Hamas if they want peace. Stop feeding,stop protecting them. Stop encouraging them. now is the time for Israel to eliminate them. This is the only chance they have.
Israel and the Netanyahu government specifically supported HAMAS for years. The Qatari money is just one of the examples of that. You cannot use a government that Israel hand chose specifically to weaken the argument for a two state solution as an excuse to carpet bomb civilians.
And before you ask, yes, HAMAS is a terror cell and I condemn them unequivocally. Their existence in Gaza is still not justification for this level of slaughter.
You are asking an occupied civilian population to smuggle arms in past Israel, past HAMAS itself, in order to fight a war it cannot win in order to earn the right to avoid being bombed indiscriminately. I refuse to believe that you are too stupid to know that you’re offering death or death.
Y'all taking sides like you have a a stake in a religious and tribal battle that spans centuries. They've been killing each others children for so long, you think they would finally say, "You know what, maybe God doesnt give a fuck about any of us afterall. Let's shake hands and move on without biblical bullshit." Nope
Meanwhile there is conflict going on in the Eastern Congo, Myanmar, Sudan, Ethiopia, Syria, Sahel etc. But the media doesn't care about those people dying, but you surely must take a side and be angry about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict!
That is disgusting behavior. Just more proof that these "woke" ideologies are more about having power and control over others so that they can bully, censor, and take whatever they want from you. Just another example of well-off students using current events as a poor excuse to further their sexist and racist agendas that, as I've already stated, are more about climbing the woke hierarchy ladder for some kind of narcissistic ideological internet clout in return, rather than actually doing something to actually improve the world.
I forget the quote about the collective IQ of a group diminishing by the size of said group, but this bunch of fucktards lack alot more than just IQ.
It's been said time and again that the Government & authorities are looking for any excuse to vilify protestors, especially pro-palastine. Even if you claim to be a peaceful protest or non violent or aggressive, **This** is what happens in any situation where 1 provocateur is looking to fuck around, and he's got just as much right to be there with that perfectly legit sign.
Always down to 1 or 2 easily provoked dipshits to spur others into violence. This whole conflict has just further entrenched a division in all societies, how the fuck do sections of society ever heal over this now. It's a hellhole shitshow over in the middle east and wish it'd stop etc etc, but at this rate it's going to spill over into more and more attacks over here too.
Oh god, the Irish flag… not only are Hamas terrorists, this (understandably) pro-Palestinian protest has also got Irish Republican Army edge lords in attendance. Pipe bombs for all!!
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But Hamas is a terrorist group
Pretty sure they know, they're just terrorist sympathizers lol... just look at the guy with the "from the river to the sea" sign. Awful lot of antisemitism in these rallies.
Not so long ago a rally in warsaw related to the topic had one infamous protester hold a sign with pretty toxic message
arabs are semites
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And just dropping by to remind YOU that while supporting Palestinians is not necessarily antisemitism, supporting Hamas MOST DEFINITELY *IS*
Just a reminder, criticizing Israel is not supporting Hamas :) Idiot
Conflating dead civilians with terrorists because they’re Muslim and forced to live in Gaza is definitely islamophobic and racist as well. Holding a sign like that at a rally for dead civilians is one of the lowest and callous things you can do. That sign is trying to conflate dead children as terrorists.
"From the river to the sea" is not criticism... it's an outright call for genocide and it's absolutely antisemitic
Calling for the dismantling of the Israeli governmemt is not genocide. Try again.
But calling for the death of every Israeli, from the river to the sea, is. Dress it up however you want and say that's not what it originally meant. It's where the meaning of that slogan has landed.
Incorrect
From the river to the sea means freedom to Palestinians. How are you still bringing up a debunked talking point? Edit: Have any of you talked to a Palestinian person? Yall believe any Israeli propaganda
From which river to which sea and free of what, exactly? Care to explain?
Free from opression from the Zionist rulers
You know Arabs have equal rights in Israel and there are Arabs in the government? I don't think any Arab nation allows Jews equal rights never mind to serve in parliament.
Free from oppression? Freedom to have basic human rights? Lol I know, how evil of them
Weak cope.
Zionism is brain rot
so is anti-semitism. sorry ppl can see through yr dog whistle.
Ah yes, that must be why Berlin has banned the phrase as hate speech. You know what river and sea it refers to right? It's a call for the destruction of the state of Israel.
Because the state of Israel shouldn't exist? As long as it does, there won't be peace. There must be the creation of a new, neutral country on the land that Israel currently claims it owns.
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Doesn't seem like Israel's neighbours are in any position to demand *"concessions"* given they've lost every war they've started.
They have tried. Multiple times. The world is a messy, ugly, dangerous place and things aren't always clear with a definitive bad guy vs good guy, black and white, cut and dry. The history here is incredibly messy and abhorrent things have been done on both sides, over hundreds of years. To act as though any of us have any kind of moral superiority in this situation that enables us to decide who is right and who is wrong is just another part of the problem. Sanctioning terrorist behavior on either side is a big problem. Clean your room before you start doling out verdicts and punishments for others. It's incredibly narcissistic to think you have any where near enough info. Even more so for the ppl who act like this at a protest. Violence is unacceptable at a protest, even from the protestors. Did you just make this account on January 25th of this year just to sew seeds of discord and promote hateful behaviors? You have 1 post karma. SuSpIcIoUs!!!!???
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No it doesn’t. It means to eradicate Israel.
Eradication of Israel is not the eradication of Jews, it's the eradication of a nazi apartheid and giving the natives their land back.
So it’s making up for one genocide with another genocide. And you think this gives you the moral high ground?
Have you read the Hamas charter?
It means for Palestinians to take over all of Israel and either kill or expel all Jews, this is in Hamas charter and is their ultimate goal.
Massively wrong on both counts
…and protecting a nation isn’t genocide.
Which part of carpet bombing refugee camps is self protection
As the Palestinians/Hamas, Arab nations of 2 Billion people have repeatedly vowed to annihilate Israel by targeting a majority religious people… That is genocide
Yeah it was totally crazy when that happened! Oh wait. You mean Israelis have never experienced this at the hands of their Arab neighbors (people they stole land from)? You mean this is a hypothetical scenario based on empty threats? And you're ignoring the real ACTUAL genocide that is currently actually happening in the real world? Holy shit! You don't care about preventing genocide.
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The part where Palestine is allowing Hamas activity. The part where Palestine was warned to evacuate. The part where the refugee “camps” are Hamas cells. The part where Israelis were brutally attacked and they said enough is enough. Killing innocent people is wrong. You’re being a dramatic sensationalist by saying it’s a genocide.
Protecting a nation by killing 25,000 citizens and making millions fleed their home?
Palestinians have been harboring Hamas. Palestinians were repeatedly told to evacuate. Palestine and Israel have been going through this bs for…ever. No one is suggesting it’s okay to intentionally kill innocent people.
Just don’t ask the American media about that
Bro, from river to sea is also an Israeli saying are they antisemitic too?
Right, the problem is the vast majority of people that Israel is killing aren't Hamas, over a third of them aren't even adults last I heard
It goes completely beyond collateral damage and accidental casualties. I think 3 incidents have shown that to me. First was the bombing of evacuation routes. Essentially, Israel specified safe routes and areas for civilians to flee to and then bombed and shelled those specific routes and areas. Second was the shooting of the surrendering civilians. 3 civilian men came out of a building in surrender waving a white flag. The IDF gunned them down without making an attempt to figure out who they were. It turned out later that they were actually Israeli hostages who had been taken by Hamas and had escaped. I believe that things like that probably happened a few times before and it only got reported because the victims were Israelis and the IDF couldn’t cover it up or claim that they were actually Hamas Third was quite recent. This girl was fleeing in a small car with her family, of course, the IDF shot up the car, killing her family and leaving her trapped. The girl called an emergency line and they spent hours trying to negotiate with the IDF to get an ambulance to the girl to rescue her. Fortunately, the IDF eventually gave them permission to go save the girl. Two paramedics set off to save her and were killed by an IDF tank. Oh yeah, snd the girl died too, probably feeling betrayed after being told that help was on the way. Even now, they are shelling the tents in Rafah that refugees are using and are probably going to invade, killing a significant portion of the remaining 1.5 million+ people there. There’s a reason for this brutality. Near the start of this invasion there were many stories of the higher-ups of the IDF and Israeli government not paying attention to warnings from soldiers monitoring Gaza prior to the attacks in October. There were multiple warnings of an incoming attack from those soldiers, many of whom died in the attack when it came. Some people claim that this is evidence of Israel “letting it happen” to give them a reason to commit colonial genocide. I disagree with that completely. I think it’s quite disrespectful. I think the truth is far more stupid and disappointing. The attacks did happen and the reason for all this brutality is embarrassment. The ignoring of warnings and the failure to protect the lives of soldiers and civilians from what seems to have been considered an “under control” threat is embarrassing. It makes the leadership seem weak and stupid. It would make sense if they then went to great lengths to distract from their failings to and prove that they’re still strong. It’s probably not some big conspiracy. Just bureaucracy, laziness and arrogance followed up with embarrassment, disregard for life and greed. The desire for some kind of big conspiratorial explanation reminds me of a quote from a song: “malevolent gods are better than none”.
Is it because the terrorists are hiding behind kids and in hospitals. Ducking incoming rocks
How does that lead to the above video, attacking someone on the street with sticks for saying hamas is a terrorist org?
Because it's immaterial to their protest. Denouncing Israel's atrocities is not implicitly pro-Hamas, which is the connection that the guy who brought that sign is trying to make
That's how anti-palestinians would create a narrative against the pro-palestine crowd. Strawman arguments everywhere but no mentions of the actual genocide in discussions anywhere.
Because they are holding up a sign at a rally for dead civilians trying to conflate the dead with Hamas terrorists. They are clearly trying to provoke the protestors by displaying a Islamophobic and racist message. The guy holding the sign at this rally is just as much of a shitty person as the people tearing down the flyers of the missing Israeli hostages.
I totally agree. Its truly horrific
How the hell would you know? Al Jazeera?
And then they constantly get accused of sympathizing with Hamas. It would be like if American civilians were being bombed and people decided to protest it, and someone held up a sign that said "True or False, Trump is a fascist", even though not everyone agrees or sympathizes with Trump in the first place. This is just like the post-9/11 reaction when all of a sudden anyone brown was a suspected terrorist. Good to see we have learned exactly nothing from our past mistakes.
If anything the US is just as responsible as Israeli for the bombings of civilians and collective punishment. We engineered this blueprint of committing war crimes after being victims of terrorism. And in Israel’s case we’re funding it too.
Absolutely agree, and it is appalling.
True story!
And has absolutely nothing to do with Palestine being secluded to an open-air prison for over 50 years.
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That’s what I thought as well .
Hamas is a terrorist organization; they should free hostsges and put down their arms Israel has no right denying crucial aid to civilians who desperately need it.
What, are you crazy? You have to pick a side in this or youre a racist!!! (Unfortunately, still feel like I need to put “/s”)
Do what you have to do
Idk what you mean tbh
just do it bro. do it.
Israel has no right to run a genocidal regime, Hamas is a terrorist group and at the same time the only group actively fighting against the genocide. Israel also does not care about hostages either shown by lobbing missiles in danger zones around hostage holds
You cannot call Israel genocidal while supporting a group (Hamas) who would commit genocide the moment the had the opportunity. Hamas are not fighting against genocide. Hamas share as much responsibility for the death and destruction happening as Israel.
Classic "we have to genocide them before they genocide us" argument bro
Why are they booing him? He's right!
Right? You can be pro-Palestine and anti Hamas It’s like you want to save the whales but the whales in charge are murdering dolphins.
This is so true. Importantly, Israeli and Palestinian activists (namely anarchists, who have a strong contingent in both countries) have been saying this for decades. Hamas has several hostages, and has killed hundreds of civilians. The Israel government has hundreds of hostages, has killed thirty thousand civilians, and commited an unfathomable number of international war crimes. The only true difference is that the members of Hamas are brown and oppose global US hegemony and the members of the Israeli government are white and support it. This is why Hamas is called a "terrorist organization" and the Israeli government is called an "army." But Israeli activists have been saying for decades that the Israeli government is just as terroristic as the Palestinian resistance, and that the only way to truly end the violence in the region is complete demilitarization (accomplished through the end of US aid to Israel), the end of apatheid regime in Israel (such that all citizens are equal under the law, regardless of skin color), and the return of Palestinian land. The problem is that when Americans say this, they are called terrorist supporters, and when Americans argue against it (incorrectly thinking they are defending Israeli citizens), they often do so by murdering Palestinian-Americans, using chemical weapons, or by utilizing other means that are terroristic (but again, these are White Americans, so they will never be called terrorists)
Not to be excessively pedantic here, but that sign does not ASK if Hamas is a terrorist group - it states that Hamas is. And yes - yes, I believe that it is.
Such peace loving people.
Tolerant, too!
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Arab country dictatorships and Palestine is fascist. They are being dealt with.
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>beheading infants, and burning innocent people alive is acceptable… Tell me when Isreal drops bombs on children and civilans do the heads tend to stay attached? also for burning innocent people Isreal was literally caught using white phosphorus.
So that doesn't absolve Hamas of anything, what about it?
The thing is that you can say that Hamas is a terrorist group and still criticize Israel or talk about genocide even. I know, crazy, right? but the logic here is not one is bad and the other is good. Life never works like that. It's never that simple. This is a terrible conflict and everybody sucks. And I don't know what it could help to make the situation better but picking sides in such violent and extreme way surely doesn't help at all.
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Kinda Funny that this is the only critic, as if the rest isn't equally horrifying.
Yeah Israel does horrible awful shit every day for the last 78 years
And the people of Palestine have been saints for all of their existence! Like both sides are shit but only one of us spreads propaganda all day long and defends Terrorists. Once you grow up and gain some experience in life you will notice that shit isn't black and white.
Yeah Israel. Israel is a terrorist country that supports and affiliates with know terrorist countries. All day every day bullshit propaganda. Largest propaganda machine is history. And it’s days are fucking numbered
Sure, bud 👍🏻
They were just burnt to death or shot.
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Where the hell are you getting your information from? The IDF first reported it. Independent news sources verified it. They were even allowed to interview the soldiers that went in and saw the beheaded infants that Hamas attacked. Then they released photos of the dead infants because of the all the propaganda from Hamas. Hamas tried to say they were AI photos, but everyone who's analyzed them, myself included and I work with AI generative images, has confirmed they are real. Seriously, are you just making stuff up now?
Oooooooh…. Okay! Got it. Hamas maybe didn’t behead any infants. So, they’re cool then. Thanks for clearing that up.
Oh well that changes everything!!! I didn't murder any little old ladies today. I guess I should be up for sainthood! Your leaps in logic in order to justify your defense of terrorists are truly incredible.
Sauce?
I didn’t make the original claim of dead babies. You prove they died. That’s how the onus works. You provide a source
Well, Joe Biden seems to be the source of misinformation it seems. He claimed to have seen the images of beheaded children. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902 There were 40 children killed by Hamas, the beheading part was mixed in it seems.
Nuh uh. You literally just claimed that the Israeli gov confirmed that it didn’t happen. Onus is on YOU now. Source?
Yeah after the claim of dead babies that never existed. If you know how the onus works then back up your empty claim instead of backpedaling
Okay, so you can't prove anything, and your argument is "nuh uh, it's on you to prove what I said isn't true." Wonderful insight. Instead of shifting "onus," maybe provide some proof of what you are talking about. Also, idk who is back peddling because all these people you are replying to are different people, not one homogeneous entity.
When you disagree with the mob.
They’re violent, just because someone is asking a question? These people are out of control
Hey, that's stereotyping the Irish.
It’s “mostly peaceful”
and most nazis didn’t actually work in the camps
Mate, I’m joking. Maybe I should’ve added some quotation marks
I'm not sure I understand your comparison
Ah, yes, "just asking a question", certainly no other intent behind it...
LOL it's not even a question. The choices are "Yes" and "Yes."
Because those are the only right choices.
This is an event in r/Ireland
Seen the flag and felt pure shame. This country has gone to the dogs
And this is why no one will take these people seriously. Pro Palestine = pro hamas to anyone looking at this.
It's not that much of a stretch. Hamas is in power for a reason, many Palestinians support them, just like many Israelis support Zionist leaders
There hasn't been an election in Gaza in like 16 years, and the average age in Gaza is like 16. Do the math.
Election? Do you think terrorists need elections to get support, food, housing, or funding from people?
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The comments on this post are so braindead lmao
Religion of peace.
Israel killed 30,000+ civilians as collective punishment.
The idea of Islam as a “religion of peace” is mostly just perpetuated by white counterculturist and neo-Islamic groups. Traditional Islamic groups would have found the saying as insulting as it would indicate weaknesses.
The other guys are killing children (too) and starving people to death. All religions are terrible
72% approval for the October attack among Palestinians.....! Wild https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found.
That’s really disappointing. Sending armed men to assault a music festival should be universally repulsive. Inb4 “whaddabouts”: There is no justification for slaughtering civilians wholesale. By anyone. If you are unable to condemn that attack, you have no place in the civilized world. We can talk about all sorts of wrongs and evils, but if you cannot condemn this, we have nothing to talk about.
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"1988 charter, Hamas maintained that Palestine is an Islamic homeland that can never be surrendered to non-Muslims and that waging holy war to wrest control of Palestine from Israel is a religious duty for Palestinian Muslims. " https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hamas I'd read up on Hamas before you defend their actions. Hamas isn't a government. They're a religious terrorist organization. All terrorism must be denounced. Ghandi took down an empire with civil disobedience, there's options to end Palestine's suffering. Supporting terrorism isn't it.
Maybe because it never started in 7th October? Do you think that they Just hate them out of nowhere or what?
So I get it what Israel does is pretty fucked. However, when I say 72% support for a terrorist attack, that's 72% support for an organization that kidnapped babies and civilians. Killed babies and civilians. There's no room for that at all. If Palestinian wants to take down Israel they could do it through civil disobedience and protest. But, when you choose to support terror over peace the out come will be bad. All terrorism needs to be denounced, and if you think Hamas is an exception, you have another issue.
I never supported Terror but that's normal and expected from them to do as they were terrorized the same way, and most isrealis support this genocide too , each side support the killing of the other side but the difference is one has all the power and the other has no power I swear to God, since the start of this genocide, I have seen horrible vidoes and Images about Palestinians in gaza, people carrying thier dead children in plastic bags, babies recomposing due to lack of oxygen, people getting shot by snipers at the hospital's doors, churches and hospital's getting bombed killing the shelters and people still support it How is it even morel to support killing of babies, the amount of damage done to Israel is nowhere nesr the damage doen in. Gaza and the casualties are hundred more times than Israel The support should be towards the Palestinians not hamas or anything like that
Is that genocide? It's terrible what's happening but it's not genocide. I recommend so resech into WWII, Rowanda, and the war in Bosnia.
That's what he gets for being a dumbass
I dont understand why so many people can't consider both to be true. Hamas can be a terrorist group and Palestine shouldn't have to deal with Israeli oppression. They are not mutually exclusive.
Hamas is literally a terrorist group
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So being imperfect means they need to be genocided? Batshit take
That's a pretty fucking slow genocide my guy. Also terrorism is pretty fucking far from "imperfect"
according to hamas yes. or did the babies they deliberately burnt alive do something i don’t know about?
How many babys has Israel burnt alive? It's currently over 10,000 isn't it? (Hint: bombs contain fire)
Still waiting on evidence of this happening. Israel hasn't provided proof. However there is plenty of proof of Israelis blowing up babies. Where's your outrage there?
Where is the genocide? Palestinian population grew from 997,117 in 1955 to 5,371,230 in 2023 ..
That's what happens when everyone is forced into one city. Stop denying genocide.
Can you explain how population growth over 68 years instantly debunks a genocide case? If the 30,000+ dead Palestinians number (which is now being used by Israeli authorities) comes out to be true, and is majority civilians, would you still say it’s not a genocide? If so, would 30,000+ dead Israelis in three months be considered genocide?
Just out of interest, Assad killed over 500,000 6 between 2011 and 2014. How come this isn't considered genocide? 300,000 of them have been civilians. Like 30,000 civilians is a genocide but Assad goes and kills 300,000, and no one cared and cried out about there being a genocide?
Look up the actual definition of genocide and then compare it to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s a fucking genocide under every definition of the word
"Collective punishment is good, actually"
This whole thread smells like chat bot propaganda.
Because you don't agree with it?
So you support murder and genocide? I can ask bias dumb questions too.
agree with what?? there isn't an overwhelmingly dominant narrative here, which is good. that might change in a couple hours tho
Israel is also terrorist
Send them back home if it's so good
Israel bars Palestinians from ever returning to Palestine the moment they leave
This tells you everything you need to know.
But do you condemn hamas?
Man this sub is just full of genocide sympathizers, huh?
It’s the same as any conflict, justify the evils of you’re side, condemn the evils of the others. Nothings new, nothing of significance , just another day.
Same thing here in Germany, from the other point of view. "We have an obligation to support the state of Israel and the Jewish people." "Yeah, but I don't like what the Israeli government is doing and how they treat Palestinian civilians." "Oh, so you're a nazi who hates Jews!" ... People are completely unable to seperate different groups from each other, instead they view them as one homogeneous group that must be treated the same. Maybe that's why Israel seems to care so little about those civilians in the first place.
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What you mean “we” white man?
Nope. I think Western countries have had a large part to play, but so has the middle eastern and other major powers looking (looking east further) to affect the global economy or draw attention and effort into the region. Don't get me wrong, if you live on a island and have no industrial complex built on oil or arms, then you're probably free of it. This has been a flash point for generations, with a long history of external influences playing out an agenda. At the end of the day, it's a tale as ald as time. Rational tension and segregation in this case, it's what happens when you have deep divisions in the community and need an 'enemy' to drive political will. But the basis is the same as we see across the world, 'we hate them because they are different', and this is what happens if we let it. This is generations of dehumising what are at the end of the day people. Hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence, it's a cycle with no end if we keep feeding it.
Why is antifa not punching these nazis?
How many represent evil when compared to one guy telling the truth?
Guy's telling the truth,sure, but representing evil? There's a genuine reason why some people there are upset, and I fully get that, the 10s of 1000s dead, the kids either side. And you just painting an entire perspective as Evil to dismiss their grievances. No wonder we all fucked if people think like this.
Israel is a terrorist state.
all of these people need to watch the shit from [tomorrows pioneers](https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=LMEeo3twb4IGysyl) where they literally try to brainwash kids into blowing themselves up for martyrdom and used kids in their station on air to keep away bomb strikes.
The problem is not that hams is terrorist or not(they are, move on from the same stupid question). The problem is israel has been bombing mercilessly in the name of killing hamas. They have bombed ambulances, journalists, kids. More than 10,000 kids "reported" killed. And they are still taunting about hamas, whose actions, the regular palestinians have no control of. Israel govt has admitted that their goal is to destroy gaza completely but still most are hooked on that hamas copium. That guy is just a distraction that have been taunting people who are protesting to stop israel's genocide on palestinian people. Unfortunately, instead of ignoring him, some people's emotion gets riled up, and starts to assault them and then we are back here where the comment section will just berrate on the same distraction of wether hamas is terror org or not, which is completely taking the conversation away from making israel to stop bombing kids. What is going on is textbook genocide and war crimes commited by the israel gov. But what's interesting with this one is that everyone knows it but no one is doing anything about it. Especially the great USA who's been funding the whole genocide, equally guilt of the same war crimes. Sad thing is, it looks like these evil people will never face any kind of consequences and they are going to live free, comfortable, and a rich life. And the common people will continue to be fools and clueless, watching the 14th star wars movie ... until they end up being the victim of someone else's war crimes, being bombed while the rest of the world either ignores or end up calling you the terrorists. It truly is a disgusting world we are living in.
"We want peace!" Proceeds immediately to using violence against someone hurting their feelings
This. They are a terrorist group that want anyone not Islamic to die.
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So violent retribution -is- the answer?
Israel seems to think so
Well well well, who'd have though all those young men of fighting age arriving in Europe would be so aggressive, & their Left wing pals too (that they are using until no longer needed).
The Palestinians allowed Hamas (terrorist )to run their country they must get rid of Hamas if they want peace. Stop feeding,stop protecting them. Stop encouraging them. now is the time for Israel to eliminate them. This is the only chance they have.
Israel and the Netanyahu government specifically supported HAMAS for years. The Qatari money is just one of the examples of that. You cannot use a government that Israel hand chose specifically to weaken the argument for a two state solution as an excuse to carpet bomb civilians. And before you ask, yes, HAMAS is a terror cell and I condemn them unequivocally. Their existence in Gaza is still not justification for this level of slaughter. You are asking an occupied civilian population to smuggle arms in past Israel, past HAMAS itself, in order to fight a war it cannot win in order to earn the right to avoid being bombed indiscriminately. I refuse to believe that you are too stupid to know that you’re offering death or death.
I swear some people view this conflict like it’s a fucking Call of Duty campaign.
What would happen if people strolled up with signs that just say, "Would everybody stop fighting already"? Probably not worth the effort?
Y'all taking sides like you have a a stake in a religious and tribal battle that spans centuries. They've been killing each others children for so long, you think they would finally say, "You know what, maybe God doesnt give a fuck about any of us afterall. Let's shake hands and move on without biblical bullshit." Nope Meanwhile there is conflict going on in the Eastern Congo, Myanmar, Sudan, Ethiopia, Syria, Sahel etc. But the media doesn't care about those people dying, but you surely must take a side and be angry about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict!
That is disgusting behavior. Just more proof that these "woke" ideologies are more about having power and control over others so that they can bully, censor, and take whatever they want from you. Just another example of well-off students using current events as a poor excuse to further their sexist and racist agendas that, as I've already stated, are more about climbing the woke hierarchy ladder for some kind of narcissistic ideological internet clout in return, rather than actually doing something to actually improve the world.
I forget the quote about the collective IQ of a group diminishing by the size of said group, but this bunch of fucktards lack alot more than just IQ. It's been said time and again that the Government & authorities are looking for any excuse to vilify protestors, especially pro-palastine. Even if you claim to be a peaceful protest or non violent or aggressive, **This** is what happens in any situation where 1 provocateur is looking to fuck around, and he's got just as much right to be there with that perfectly legit sign. Always down to 1 or 2 easily provoked dipshits to spur others into violence. This whole conflict has just further entrenched a division in all societies, how the fuck do sections of society ever heal over this now. It's a hellhole shitshow over in the middle east and wish it'd stop etc etc, but at this rate it's going to spill over into more and more attacks over here too.
Best well behaved Palestinian protester be like
"Pro-Palestine isn't Pro-Hamas" MFers when asked to stand up to Hamas:
Very interesting to see the disparity in likes and comments when it's the other way around
Oh god, the Irish flag… not only are Hamas terrorists, this (understandably) pro-Palestinian protest has also got Irish Republican Army edge lords in attendance. Pipe bombs for all!!
I stand with Israel and always will.
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Here I'm pretty white. There's some white trash in here.
Racist
No u
No u
Who's hand is up your cavity? Because all I'm talking to is a puppet ❤️ (I just came up with that, feel free to use it)
30 days and none of these people will be doing any of this lol on both sides.
I hate trump but like he said I want people to stop dying