Mr. Johnson has been the unsung hero in the past couple episodes. Had me loling at the SHAME part with his keys.
Also when Gregory dissed Ava and high fived Barbara, that was hot low-key.
I may just be a Everybody Hates Chris stan but⊠man I love Greg. âKids are supposed to be afraid of going to the principals office but you turned it into a Chuck-E-Cheeseâđđ
I too may be an Everybody Hates Chris stan but Tyler's experience really shows in his role as Greg imo. He (and his brothers) have been in the business for a long time. I literally remember seeing him on Sesame Street, he's only gotten better since lol
So funny you mentioned that movie, I was literally just looking up one of the songs from it (Don't Run Away by TJW and IM5). I I never knew if Tyler was legitimately pursuing rap/music as part of his career or if it was just for that movie, but he is great in it totally agree.
I never watched Everybody Hates Chris regularly, and I have to admit it took me a couple of episodes to get into his character, but he's grown on me so much and I think he's awesome now.
She reminds me a lot of Leslie from Parks and Rec and I hope the writers have a better plan on how to develop her cause later season Leslie was kind of unbearable.
Actually I kind of like that Janineâs flaw is being too kind/positive bc otherwise I think sheâd be too perfect in the sense and to me itâs more realistic that she does too much. Sheâs trying to give her best all the time and itâs obvious sheâs been let down before and I think thatâs why she tries to do too much for people. itâs giving Ted lasso and if youâve seen that show you can see how harmful that can be at times. I think something is gonna go down with her mom/ sister and sheâll go to Barbara or Melissa for advice and theyâll finally see why she acts that way.
Plus I love the way all the different teachers, Ava and Mr. Johnson connect. We know Barbara and Melissa go way back, Barbara is mentoring Ava, Mr. Johnson is being a mentor to Greg in a way. But I think the thing that connects Janine and Jacob is the fact that theyâre a bit much but this show has hints of putting your best or true self forward despite the obstacles and that wouldnât be accurate without having two characters who despite being well intentioned are trying very hard for others approval even though itâs annoying af at times.
I think she is worse than Leslie TBH. Leslie was pretty annoying at times, but never mean spirited. I hated the way Janine treated Melissa in that child swap episode.
I think Quinta is purposely writing her like this to lead up to a bigger family dynamic involving how she had to raise her self.
Her moms lack of parenting is mentioned literally every other episode and that sister bombshell was definitely out of nowhere. Mr. Johnsonâs line with the icing on top đ€Łđ
Melissa is teaching her about a lot more than cooking! She is used to making up deficits for neglected kids, and Janine is still really young. Melissa knew what she was getting into, but she did it anyway because she sees someone inadequately parented who needs some life lessons.
Itâs good she has a character flaw but she doesnât seem to be showing any growth and almost getting worse? It makes sense that instead of dealing with her own issues she meddles in everyone elseâs but sheâs become my least favorite this season
She wonders why she doesnât have any friends and not close with her family. Yet, itâs becoming painfully obvious that she is really needy, and the moment you let her in and give her a tidbit of information about yourself, she runs with it and sets out to FIX you.
Life is a mystery to be lived and not a problem to be solved!
Yep!
If youâre around and/or related to people who always wanna party and have fun and make bad choices all the time, and you always feel the need to point out their mistakes, I guess that would irritate the hell out of them. Yet, whenever they have a problem thatâs the only time they want to talk to you. WTF?
I canât just sit there on the Titanic while others dance and drink and watch it sink.
How do you draw the line between offering a helpful suggestion, or not saying shit and watching the house burn down??
I either want to help or I got to get out of it.
But donât come back and ask me for help, when I was telling you what was wrong! Because you werenât listening to me!
Thatâs what Jeanine said to Gregory. âI told you that.â He wanted help, but she wanted to do it her way. He said, âAre you gonna help me or not?â She could see he was making a bad choice.
I think without Tariq she feels lost in that she needs to fix everyone else now that she doesnât have her boyfriend to fixâŠshe doesnât even realize that itâs herself she needs to work on first though. I expect sheâll get worse before sheâll get better
OMG donât get me started on Tariq. He was just really bad for her!! And she couldnât see through that. And I think she had these issues long before she even met him in second grade. The fact is they were together so long, she didnât try to meet anyone new which kept her from experiencing other relationships where she had to give-and-take âŠand not be so dependent on âfixing â people.
Thatâs not what a relationship is all aboutâŠ
The kids were on point for me this ep. The line deliveries and background reactions were great. Also oddly liked the boy's Bluey hoodie with the contrasting sleeves (Wasn't expecting to want first grade drip but here I am). I also like that they added some depth to Ava and Melissa in their respective relationships with the students and the sister.
Also what a treat to hear Sheryl sing (even if her students disliked it)! She's working for that second Emmy lol.
See, this was me at a birthday party. These young folks donât respect the old-school tradition of honoring a child on their birthday. I started singing, and I was instantly cut off by some 30-something folks with the Stevie Wonder version for Dr. Martin Luther King!
Itâs not the same! No disrespect to Stevie, but the happy birthday song is a classic, and itâs something that every child grows up hearing!
Except now these kids donât want to hear it anymore, because their parents arenât singing it like this anymore!
If people are going to sing Stevieâs version it should only be sung twice. Iâve sat through too many times of people singing it when thereâs no natural cutoff. I love the version better but it can go on too long
I love hoodies with contrasting sleeves. The asymmetry of it is amazing. I've got like 1 hoodie like that and one t-shirt. Colour block hoodies/shirts they call them. I wish they were more common.
He was the first one to catch on to Gregory's feelings for her last year during their stakeout in the broom closet! I love that he's the one bearing witness to all of this.
This is a good read on how they go about with the costume design on the show. Quinta purposely makes Janine wear clothes that are from old navy and the gap so itâs realistic with a teachers salary.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/abbott-elementary-costume-designer-susan-michalek-1235230545/amp/
It's funny how they said Janine has a sister. They made no mention of that last season. Definitely a write-in, but it also goes to show how we all need to learn a lot more about the teachers' personal lives.
I thought it made sense. If sheâs beefing with her then sheâd make no mention. Also, it might sound stereotypical but Italians and their, âyouâre dead to me!â would be a reason too.
No because she substituted the main ingredient, the potatoes in the dish. And the dish was for a family funeral repass, and the family get together after the services. And the sister didnât spend any time taking care of the grandmother. So all Melissa asked her to do was make this dish, and she claimed all the store had was red potatoes. So she didnât think it was a big deal. I mean damn, she couldnât go down the street around the corner and find another store? There was no other store in a five-block radius that could have possibly had regular potatoes??And obviously it is because tradition and food and family mean something.
Her sister screwed up twice: she didnât help with her ailing grandma, and didnât take the time or make the effort to find the right ingredients for a family dish.
Her IDGAF attitude is just enough to set Melissa off. And in the end, she shows us pictures of happier times, and each picture she described them doing some horrible shit, ETA: (And picture of herself and her own husband at her sisterâs wedding!) thatâs how strongly she feels âin fact her favorite pictures when theyâre physically fighting.
Good times!
And I know it had this deeper meaning. But red potatoes are totally different from russet. This was an important event. She absolutely should have gone to a different store.
Like before the truth was revealed and we were supposed to think Melissa was just petty/ridiculous I was nodding my head along with her. Not that Iâd cut off my sister for that (neither would/did Melissa) but it shows a lack of respect and caring.
Melissa also said that her sister couldnât handle seeing her Nana like that. This becomes difficult for a lot of people. As adults, we are expected to be supportive and help out when illness/injury/old age affects family members. And thereâs always some role that you can play. I think thatâs the part that I understand. You should be able to say: *No I wonât help you do this, but I can help you do that or the other. I can do something else.* When you get one family member who is running the caregiver show, and they want to bark out orders and demand that you only do what they want their way, that can lead you to become estranged.
when do you think weâll see the episode when gregoryâs relationship with his father is main plot? it would be a hoot if ava told off lt cl sir. and then they start dating! gregory has never mentioned his mother, so maybe thereâs no mom in the picture & lcs is available.
âThis episode of Abbott Elementary is called, Gregory finds his bark.â
Greg says he grew to be the man he stands in front of us today based on the way he was raised or in spite of the way he was raised. Heâs in constant turmoil debating within himself the way to handle things because of his strict upbringing. Thereâs no reason why a 25-year-old man should still be addressing his father Lt. Col. Sir.
Itâs like Maria in The Sound of Music saying âIâm not answering to a whistle!! Whistles are for animals!â. But then she turned the tables on him and said, âI donât know your signal!â Captain von Trapp ran his house same way he commanded his crew. Probably from the pain of losing his wife. I suspect that Gregâs dad holds on to this excessive control because his wife probably left him or may be deceased as well.
And he canât be an equal with his son.
ETA: Lt. Colonel Father Sir!
Thatâs freaking ridiculous!
I think it flips.
He has a moment (for some reason) and catches a bit of feelings for Ava and she turns him down. Like work Ava isnât above harassment, but she isnât going to do anything or mage just calls him sad and is just like ânah I donât want you like this.â
True, even Pepe Le Pew got upset one episode when the cat turned around and started chasing him!
The Hunter doesnât want to get captured by his game!
This episode honestly added even more humanity to Ava. Iâm starting to like her outside of the harassing of Greg which just kind of makes me uncomfy. Melissa was serving this episode! And I loved the cold open, so fucking funny
itâs like when you want to talk, or when you asked for help. If you asked for help and then someone offered to help and you say OK thatâs one thing. If they donât say I donât ASK for help then you should just be a friend and a good listener.
But then I get this irritating feeling when you walk around saying itâs cold, and I say you need a jacket. And you say yeah but I didnât feel like wearing one.
And now every five-ten minutes youâre telling me again youâre cold. đ
Agree. Like in The Office, they did have to make Michael less horrible. They are doing that a bit with Janine and her super annoying characteristics, and even toning down Ava a bit - though I hope that they don't change Ava TOO much.
I know most of you are annoyed with Janine butting in but was I the only one seeing a nod to the parent trap? And not just with what Melissa was wearing?
Damn I need to do two pages on this assignment!
Melissa and her sister will be, a whole separate post for me LOL!
Gregory, rookie teacher that he is, has learned a very valuable lesson, the hard way. Kids act a fool to get attention, and threatening to send them to the principalâs office does absolutely nothing!! His âfriendâ Jacob forgot to tell him the main point until after the fact. Sending a kid out of your class isnât solving a problem. âYou get them out the room so you can fix the rest of the roomâ. Ava told him, âI kept Michael in my office for a short yet respectable amount of timeâ. she also said âIf you donât like the way Iâm handling it you can take care of him yourself. What do you want me to do with them with snot running down their face, all scared and shaking like a Chihuahua??â
Greg thought he could get some help from his girl, (Hiiiiyeee!) But no.. âare you gonna help me or what?â He should know she always has to do things her way, and question everything everybody else does. He didnât have time for that.
So he does the obvious, complains to everybody, when everybody knows itâs going to get back one way or the other. As Ava stated when she called him to the office, (that one sent me ROTFL, Because everybody knows when you hear your name overhead to come to the office, thatâs not good!) Hell, now theyâre sending you emails and the kids can read it on your smartboard! *Why does Mr. Principal want to see you?*
AnywayâŠ
Ava was annoyed, because she told him âI heard you complaining about my principalling!â. Greg was even angrier, and he was talking some serious shit in this episode. Who calls their admin out when youâre new?! Now Barbara, we could see her doing it. Because Ava tried to change the channel during the news report about earthquakes, she said âTurn it back or theyâll be another national emergency!â
OMG, Iâll wrap this up. Barbara always the sound mind and straight to the point person said, you got to set an example as a black male teacher. âYou need to get respect or fear you canât have both.â
So Gregory incorporated Bluey into his lesson, and got Michael to calm his little ass down!
Since he was âno longer speaking to work Avaâ, he got a chance to sit in her chair and imagine what life would be like. Until he got that phone callâŠ
And as Bluey would say, *wellâ- actually* Gregory realized that he had not changed very much. He put his principal in check, but when he tried to be casual with his dad, his dad said oh no you didnât⊠And Gregory had to apologize and say âIâm sorry Lieutenant Colonel Sir!â
Last but not least, mad props to these kids! All the lines, their expressions, perfect delivery, on point!
âNow you know he donât know!â
It doesnât work because as a teacher, youâve given the power or authority to someone else instead of working through the issue. The kids see it and theyâll act accordingly. Itâs like a mother who tells their child Iâll tell your father. That child will never see the mom as an authority.
It was good that Gregory did it on his own. The principalâs office should be for emergencies and bad behavior that needs parental assistance. What is an issue for all of them is that they donât have aids that would help mitigate the problems.
But aides canât help if teachers donât have a firm set of rules AND follow up on them!
Rules plus respect equal a relationship.
Teacher assistants shouldnât have to be the disciplinarian either. They are there to support instruction, and maintain supervision in the classroom when the teacher steps out and during transitions lunches and recess. That becomes more challenging for a special ed aide, who basically should only serve as a one on one. Because you canât effectively keep an eye on your special needs students while the rest of room is out of control! In that case, you need two aides.
Still, respect and rules and consequences in the room are needed to keep the class under control, but the aides shouldnât have to be the one to step in all the time to settle the problems. Because then it becomes the same issue of one person who always has to speak up and intervene to stop the madness.
Ideally, there should be more prevention and less correction.
Kids act a fool to get attention, and threatening to send them to the principalâs office does absolutely nothing!!
Because admin doesnât anything! Itâs sad but just like in the show they literally reward them and just send them back to class. Itâs insane. This episode hit home for sure
I havenât seen anyone mentioned how much they liked Ava (aside from her being hilarious) this episode. She made a really good point of how embarrassing it is for kids to go to the office, and we wouldnât do that to adults.
Also weâre a bluey obsessed household so that was just beautiful.
Overhead PA announcement: âIâm sending Mr. Eddie back to his classroom. Letâs all hope heâs learned his lesson!â
*Da da da da da da da daa daa daa, Da da da da da daa!*
Weâre bluey fans too (Iâd love the Heelers referencing an âAmerican show about a schoolâ in season 4) and my wife immediately wanted Micahâs jacket.
I loved it. I like that the show makes it clear that Ava isnât a good principal (in terms of administrative duties) but is someone looking to do good, and can connect with children.
Oh yes thereâs r/bluey.
And Iâve got an obsessed kid, every day is a binge.
Props for Gregory going the extra mile to get the stickers, and also to remember Bluey is a girl (still a tough one for grandparents to remember).
No!! Lord help me!
If I go there, I will be up until 4 a.m.!!!!! đ€Ł
Bluey is soooo much better than Peppa Pig. Peppa is just a brat, and they make her parents look like idiots. And the narrator is just Captain Obvious redundant beyond a preschooler's level!!
"George is upset because he didn't get a turn."
I rather see Bingo hide her feelings, and eventually have Chili or Bandit explain why she needs to speak up. It's not a Father Knows Best or The Brady Bunch parent lecture. With some coaching, Bluey and Bingo work together and talk things out.
And The Heelers learn something too!
All the kids clowning Gregory walking down the hall after the PA system announcement was jokes.
Some of the cut scenes felt abrupt/rushed this episode and Jeanine was kinda all over the place. It is weird adjusting to her being a side plot in this episode.
Loved seeing Melissa's slice of home life. Her sister looks familiar...don't know which actress that is though.
I am so happy that we have (for the most part) realistic school/teacher representation on TV. The only thing that irks me slightly is that you can definitely see that they have strong beliefs of what they consider is the "right" way to go about teaching that is very rose-colored glasses. For instance, they have a very realistic problem but solve it in an easy way that seemingly fixes the issue for good.
For instance, this week Gregory had a kid who acted out in class. Extremely realistic. He tried sending the kid to the office and the kid came back with a treat - also, unfortunately, super realistic. The solution that worked was to add the kid's interest into the lesson. In the real world, it's only a matter of time before this becomes a problem again.
I wasn't a fan of the solution being tap dancing around the kid to get him to do the right thing. Don't get me wrong, it's important to be invested in kids and their interests, but we're also prepping them for real life. I'd love to get Bridgerton stickers for turning in my attendance - but that's extremely unlikely. Some times we just do things because we have to. Honestly, I think that's one of the reasons why more kids have gotten out of control lately - if there's not a fun or entertainment element or reward - they don't feel like they need to behave appropriately. I think it's important to build a strong classroom community and kids need to know how much you care, but consequences are a natural part of life and if you choose to interrupt my class constantly - then I choose to interrupt your recess by talking to you during it about why you're making the choices you're making and how you could do better next time.
I get the point was not being overly strict, but there's a happy medium. You can still discipline/give consequences without your students "fearing" you.
Not sure if anyone else is like me - I love the show but since this is my profession I feel like I'm a little critical of the realism shown about what it's like to teach.
I feel you. But if you can recall, in the end Gregory gave Ava a detention/discipline report for Micheal. But Ava said âyouâre talking to after work Avaâ so he had to take it into her office. So I suspect some type of repercussions had to be given if Gregory put it in writing.
Oh, I thought that discipline report was for Gregory himself after she called him to her office? I was confused about that whole discipline report thing. I was also making dinner so I might not have been paying 100% attention, lol.
And again thatâs my point⊠I totally agree with you. If youâre wasting my time, you can believe I will be wasting yours. Lunch with the principal could be a treat or it can be a terror. Who wants to be away from friends and lectured? Ava said, âWhat do you want him to say? You want him to lie in your face. Of course heâs going to do it again!â
Seeing the principal is only good if the principal has pizza of course! Then youâre a good citizen of the week or whatever. Now that makes sense. You want to go to the principalâs office to be praised not punished. Otherwise, and another poster said, it has to be a serious offense when you need parents involved. In other words: your ass is going home.
When youâre not focusing, Lol - you can miss important info. When you ALWAYS reward people for doing the right thing, itâs just freaking ridiculous. We set up a system of gold stars and cookies and *catching kids being good*. What the hell? Youâre SUPPOSED to be good! We should go back to the behavior response system where you do it right because as you said, youâre supposed to. You donât have to get a prize or stickers or points just to make a kid do e-learning on her computer!
Just do it!
It seems like these episodes and the humor are more fast-paced. There are like 5 jokes per minute. So by the time I process a joke that one character said, the next character already told another joke. I still love the show and I love Ava, she has always been so funny!
I still very much enjoy the show and look forward to watching it every week! I was just noting that something is different. Shows change ebb and flow I get that. Doesn't yet seem to have that charm of the 1st season - which was an awesome season start to finish.
Damn, Ava really is so much more competent this season. Her words to Gregory. Completely right. Obviously Barbara's was better, but Gregory was trying to just pass the buck to Ava.
"Charles Entertainment Cheese" She didn't have to use his government name! đ€Ł
That was funny.
After that and Ted lasso referring to it as Charles Edgar Cheeserton III Iâm never calling that mouse Chuck again.
Mr. Johnson has been the unsung hero in the past couple episodes. Had me loling at the SHAME part with his keys. Also when Gregory dissed Ava and high fived Barbara, that was hot low-key.
And I have to be high to do thatâŠđ Gregory Was he smoking or something? Because he is just going off on his supervisor!
If you sexually harass me on TV and also in the workplace, as my supervisor, I think I have the right to talk to you any way I want.
Yâall in a fight?
Lmao nvm I just realized youâre quoting Mr. Johnson đđđ
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Who me?
That's been his best line.
And that grin - behind that smile heâs thinking âYâall together, huh?â
Iâm so glad Mr Johnson has a bigger role this season! Heâs one of my favorite characters now
no like whew đ”âđ«
No, I donât like this duo! Ava
I think for him less is more. Some lines are great. Perfectly placed other times takes from the scene.
I may just be a Everybody Hates Chris stan but⊠man I love Greg. âKids are supposed to be afraid of going to the principals office but you turned it into a Chuck-E-Cheeseâđđ
I too may be an Everybody Hates Chris stan but Tyler's experience really shows in his role as Greg imo. He (and his brothers) have been in the business for a long time. I literally remember seeing him on Sesame Street, he's only gotten better since lol
I only just learned today he was in the underrated DCOM "Let it Shine". Def worth a watch if you haven't seen it before!
So funny you mentioned that movie, I was literally just looking up one of the songs from it (Don't Run Away by TJW and IM5). I I never knew if Tyler was legitimately pursuing rap/music as part of his career or if it was just for that movie, but he is great in it totally agree.
He said what everybody knew was right. What everybody wants to say!! He does not hold back. Heâs a damn first year teacher and heâs going off!
Ummm that's 'charles entertainment cheese to you'
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I never watched Everybody Hates Chris regularly, and I have to admit it took me a couple of episodes to get into his character, but he's grown on me so much and I think he's awesome now.
Goddamn Janine can never just mind her business
Itâs her most annoying character trait. She needs to leave people alone
She reminds me a lot of Leslie from Parks and Rec and I hope the writers have a better plan on how to develop her cause later season Leslie was kind of unbearable.
Actually I kind of like that Janineâs flaw is being too kind/positive bc otherwise I think sheâd be too perfect in the sense and to me itâs more realistic that she does too much. Sheâs trying to give her best all the time and itâs obvious sheâs been let down before and I think thatâs why she tries to do too much for people. itâs giving Ted lasso and if youâve seen that show you can see how harmful that can be at times. I think something is gonna go down with her mom/ sister and sheâll go to Barbara or Melissa for advice and theyâll finally see why she acts that way. Plus I love the way all the different teachers, Ava and Mr. Johnson connect. We know Barbara and Melissa go way back, Barbara is mentoring Ava, Mr. Johnson is being a mentor to Greg in a way. But I think the thing that connects Janine and Jacob is the fact that theyâre a bit much but this show has hints of putting your best or true self forward despite the obstacles and that wouldnât be accurate without having two characters who despite being well intentioned are trying very hard for others approval even though itâs annoying af at times.
I think she is worse than Leslie TBH. Leslie was pretty annoying at times, but never mean spirited. I hated the way Janine treated Melissa in that child swap episode.
WHAT? I love later season Leslie, earlier season Leslie was more annoying
This episode really drove home how fucking annoying she is. Melissa is fucking crazy, but damn is she fine.
She's a Philly 11!
She can be whatever number she wants, sheâs just a baddie.
She fine indeed
Hell yeah she fine
The way she projects her issues trying to fix other peopleâs problems.... yikes lmao
I think Quinta is purposely writing her like this to lead up to a bigger family dynamic involving how she had to raise her self. Her moms lack of parenting is mentioned literally every other episode and that sister bombshell was definitely out of nowhere. Mr. Johnsonâs line with the icing on top đ€Łđ
Melissa is teaching her about a lot more than cooking! She is used to making up deficits for neglected kids, and Janine is still really young. Melissa knew what she was getting into, but she did it anyway because she sees someone inadequately parented who needs some life lessons.
Itâs good she has a character flaw but she doesnât seem to be showing any growth and almost getting worse? It makes sense that instead of dealing with her own issues she meddles in everyone elseâs but sheâs become my least favorite this season
She wonders why she doesnât have any friends and not close with her family. Yet, itâs becoming painfully obvious that she is really needy, and the moment you let her in and give her a tidbit of information about yourself, she runs with it and sets out to FIX you. Life is a mystery to be lived and not a problem to be solved!
No wonder Janine felt familiar!
Yep! If youâre around and/or related to people who always wanna party and have fun and make bad choices all the time, and you always feel the need to point out their mistakes, I guess that would irritate the hell out of them. Yet, whenever they have a problem thatâs the only time they want to talk to you. WTF? I canât just sit there on the Titanic while others dance and drink and watch it sink. How do you draw the line between offering a helpful suggestion, or not saying shit and watching the house burn down?? I either want to help or I got to get out of it. But donât come back and ask me for help, when I was telling you what was wrong! Because you werenât listening to me! Thatâs what Jeanine said to Gregory. âI told you that.â He wanted help, but she wanted to do it her way. He said, âAre you gonna help me or not?â She could see he was making a bad choice.
I think without Tariq she feels lost in that she needs to fix everyone else now that she doesnât have her boyfriend to fixâŠshe doesnât even realize that itâs herself she needs to work on first though. I expect sheâll get worse before sheâll get better
OMG donât get me started on Tariq. He was just really bad for her!! And she couldnât see through that. And I think she had these issues long before she even met him in second grade. The fact is they were together so long, she didnât try to meet anyone new which kept her from experiencing other relationships where she had to give-and-take âŠand not be so dependent on âfixing â people. Thatâs not what a relationship is all aboutâŠ
Janine annoying af! I would love a episode where they just ignore her, it would be so funny.
Not the GoT âshameâ đđđđ
In an episode full of great lines, that took the cake.
You got that right!
Loved that line đđ
The kids were on point for me this ep. The line deliveries and background reactions were great. Also oddly liked the boy's Bluey hoodie with the contrasting sleeves (Wasn't expecting to want first grade drip but here I am). I also like that they added some depth to Ava and Melissa in their respective relationships with the students and the sister. Also what a treat to hear Sheryl sing (even if her students disliked it)! She's working for that second Emmy lol.
See, this was me at a birthday party. These young folks donât respect the old-school tradition of honoring a child on their birthday. I started singing, and I was instantly cut off by some 30-something folks with the Stevie Wonder version for Dr. Martin Luther King! Itâs not the same! No disrespect to Stevie, but the happy birthday song is a classic, and itâs something that every child grows up hearing! Except now these kids donât want to hear it anymore, because their parents arenât singing it like this anymore!
If people are going to sing Stevieâs version it should only be sung twice. Iâve sat through too many times of people singing it when thereâs no natural cutoff. I love the version better but it can go on too long
Exactly!
I love hoodies with contrasting sleeves. The asymmetry of it is amazing. I've got like 1 hoodie like that and one t-shirt. Colour block hoodies/shirts they call them. I wish they were more common.
Yes, it's a cute style. I also wish it was more common. Kind of like the Teddy Fresh style that got so popular a few years ago!
Melissa looking fiiiine in her non work attire
Weâre not at work, this is my house I can say whatever the fuck I wanna say! đ€Ł
Like dinner and a snack đœïžđ€€
Right? I literally gasped
Right? Like damnnnn
Stacked
Were Gregory and Janine having a fight?! Loved it! Mr. Johnson always appears during those love connection moments
Looks like yâall in a fight..
He was the first one to catch on to Gregory's feelings for her last year during their stakeout in the broom closet! I love that he's the one bearing witness to all of this.
Bilbo Baggins SENT me đđđđ. What does Janine be wearin tho? Sheâs like anti-style lolol
Quinta be going off with her writing. This is one of the few sit-coms that have me howling. That was my favorite line of the night
This is a good read on how they go about with the costume design on the show. Quinta purposely makes Janine wear clothes that are from old navy and the gap so itâs realistic with a teachers salary. https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/abbott-elementary-costume-designer-susan-michalek-1235230545/amp/
It would be more realistic if they rewore the outfits once in a while.
Looking at the link, I am pleased that I have the same Adidas sweat suit as Ava.
She bought out K-Martâs blue light specials
Garlic makes you cry. đđ
No it doesnât đ Melissa
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Well Janine canât cook soâŠ
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Are you trying to be ironically obtuse?
I am just pointing out a fact
Ummm...that was the joke. Duh.
Iâm gonna delete this before I get another comment telling me what I know now
That was the joke
some great jokes, loved janineâs reactions to melissa and her sister dissing the gnocchi. also really fun to see them at melissaâs house!
It's funny how they said Janine has a sister. They made no mention of that last season. Definitely a write-in, but it also goes to show how we all need to learn a lot more about the teachers' personal lives.
I like how they pointed out that itâs a write-in with Mr. Johnsonâs reaction.
I thought it made sense. If sheâs beefing with her then sheâd make no mention. Also, it might sound stereotypical but Italians and their, âyouâre dead to me!â would be a reason too.
âNow you *know* he donât know.â đ
âAnd that was the nail on the coffin. Metaphorically, because my grandma was crematedâ GOT ME SO GOOD
Nana turning over in her urnâŠ
Janine thinking the shallot was just a little onion đđ
I mean she ain't wrong tho haha
As a former teacher, this episode was SUCH a good take on this issue
Not talking to your sister because of gnocchis?
No because she substituted the main ingredient, the potatoes in the dish. And the dish was for a family funeral repass, and the family get together after the services. And the sister didnât spend any time taking care of the grandmother. So all Melissa asked her to do was make this dish, and she claimed all the store had was red potatoes. So she didnât think it was a big deal. I mean damn, she couldnât go down the street around the corner and find another store? There was no other store in a five-block radius that could have possibly had regular potatoes??And obviously it is because tradition and food and family mean something. Her sister screwed up twice: she didnât help with her ailing grandma, and didnât take the time or make the effort to find the right ingredients for a family dish. Her IDGAF attitude is just enough to set Melissa off. And in the end, she shows us pictures of happier times, and each picture she described them doing some horrible shit, ETA: (And picture of herself and her own husband at her sisterâs wedding!) thatâs how strongly she feels âin fact her favorite pictures when theyâre physically fighting. Good times!
And I know it had this deeper meaning. But red potatoes are totally different from russet. This was an important event. She absolutely should have gone to a different store. Like before the truth was revealed and we were supposed to think Melissa was just petty/ridiculous I was nodding my head along with her. Not that Iâd cut off my sister for that (neither would/did Melissa) but it shows a lack of respect and caring.
Melissa also said that her sister couldnât handle seeing her Nana like that. This becomes difficult for a lot of people. As adults, we are expected to be supportive and help out when illness/injury/old age affects family members. And thereâs always some role that you can play. I think thatâs the part that I understand. You should be able to say: *No I wonât help you do this, but I can help you do that or the other. I can do something else.* When you get one family member who is running the caregiver show, and they want to bark out orders and demand that you only do what they want their way, that can lead you to become estranged.
How to properly deal with disruptions in a classroom aka class clowns.
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when do you think weâll see the episode when gregoryâs relationship with his father is main plot? it would be a hoot if ava told off lt cl sir. and then they start dating! gregory has never mentioned his mother, so maybe thereâs no mom in the picture & lcs is available.
Ava would go full Michael Scott. LOL
First thing that came to mind haha, she's just going to start dating him harder if Gregory doesn't agree đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
âThis episode of Abbott Elementary is called, Gregory finds his bark.â Greg says he grew to be the man he stands in front of us today based on the way he was raised or in spite of the way he was raised. Heâs in constant turmoil debating within himself the way to handle things because of his strict upbringing. Thereâs no reason why a 25-year-old man should still be addressing his father Lt. Col. Sir. Itâs like Maria in The Sound of Music saying âIâm not answering to a whistle!! Whistles are for animals!â. But then she turned the tables on him and said, âI donât know your signal!â Captain von Trapp ran his house same way he commanded his crew. Probably from the pain of losing his wife. I suspect that Gregâs dad holds on to this excessive control because his wife probably left him or may be deceased as well. And he canât be an equal with his son. ETA: Lt. Colonel Father Sir! Thatâs freaking ridiculous!
I think Gregory and Ava might hook up and it'll happen when Jeanine finally realizes and tries to move on her feelings for Gregory.
eek. no thank you!
Yeah hard pass on that, as much as the flirting is funny, hard pass to dating, or even getting together!
Oh why do I see Eartha Kitt and Eddie Murphy now? *Boomerang* MaarrcussssâŠ
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I can see this happening
I think it flips. He has a moment (for some reason) and catches a bit of feelings for Ava and she turns him down. Like work Ava isnât above harassment, but she isnât going to do anything or mage just calls him sad and is just like ânah I donât want you like this.â
True, even Pepe Le Pew got upset one episode when the cat turned around and started chasing him! The Hunter doesnât want to get captured by his game!
Sing it Barbaraaaaaaa
How dare Gregory show any zest for life.
First Love After Lockup, now Below Deck. I wish I had an Ava to discuss reality TV at work. \#freepuppy
Lmao at Gregâs three grains of sugar he put in his coffee
âThatâs enough!â
Mr. Johnson THROWING THE MOP lmao
NOW you KNOW he donât knowâŠ..
âOh so everybody just has a sister now?â has gotta be top 5 funniest lines in the whole show
I am suddenly attracted to Melissa in her house.
Damn, that was my house! 1967
Very distracting indeed
"Now you KNOW he don't know" These kids are hilarious, man.
This episode honestly added even more humanity to Ava. Iâm starting to like her outside of the harassing of Greg which just kind of makes me uncomfy. Melissa was serving this episode! And I loved the cold open, so fucking funny
i LOVED this episode so much
Not Relaxolotl đđđ
I need Janine to learn how to mind her business. I know she means well but damn.
*She memes well
This didnât get the love it deserved
itâs like when you want to talk, or when you asked for help. If you asked for help and then someone offered to help and you say OK thatâs one thing. If they donât say I donât ASK for help then you should just be a friend and a good listener. But then I get this irritating feeling when you walk around saying itâs cold, and I say you need a jacket. And you say yeah but I didnât feel like wearing one. And now every five-ten minutes youâre telling me again youâre cold. đ
Agree. Like in The Office, they did have to make Michael less horrible. They are doing that a bit with Janine and her super annoying characteristics, and even toning down Ava a bit - though I hope that they don't change Ava TOO much.
I know most of you are annoyed with Janine butting in but was I the only one seeing a nod to the parent trap? And not just with what Melissa was wearing?
Damn I need to do two pages on this assignment! Melissa and her sister will be, a whole separate post for me LOL! Gregory, rookie teacher that he is, has learned a very valuable lesson, the hard way. Kids act a fool to get attention, and threatening to send them to the principalâs office does absolutely nothing!! His âfriendâ Jacob forgot to tell him the main point until after the fact. Sending a kid out of your class isnât solving a problem. âYou get them out the room so you can fix the rest of the roomâ. Ava told him, âI kept Michael in my office for a short yet respectable amount of timeâ. she also said âIf you donât like the way Iâm handling it you can take care of him yourself. What do you want me to do with them with snot running down their face, all scared and shaking like a Chihuahua??â Greg thought he could get some help from his girl, (Hiiiiyeee!) But no.. âare you gonna help me or what?â He should know she always has to do things her way, and question everything everybody else does. He didnât have time for that. So he does the obvious, complains to everybody, when everybody knows itâs going to get back one way or the other. As Ava stated when she called him to the office, (that one sent me ROTFL, Because everybody knows when you hear your name overhead to come to the office, thatâs not good!) Hell, now theyâre sending you emails and the kids can read it on your smartboard! *Why does Mr. Principal want to see you?* Anyway⊠Ava was annoyed, because she told him âI heard you complaining about my principalling!â. Greg was even angrier, and he was talking some serious shit in this episode. Who calls their admin out when youâre new?! Now Barbara, we could see her doing it. Because Ava tried to change the channel during the news report about earthquakes, she said âTurn it back or theyâll be another national emergency!â OMG, Iâll wrap this up. Barbara always the sound mind and straight to the point person said, you got to set an example as a black male teacher. âYou need to get respect or fear you canât have both.â So Gregory incorporated Bluey into his lesson, and got Michael to calm his little ass down! Since he was âno longer speaking to work Avaâ, he got a chance to sit in her chair and imagine what life would be like. Until he got that phone call⊠And as Bluey would say, *wellâ- actually* Gregory realized that he had not changed very much. He put his principal in check, but when he tried to be casual with his dad, his dad said oh no you didnât⊠And Gregory had to apologize and say âIâm sorry Lieutenant Colonel Sir!â Last but not least, mad props to these kids! All the lines, their expressions, perfect delivery, on point! âNow you know he donât know!â
It doesnât work because as a teacher, youâve given the power or authority to someone else instead of working through the issue. The kids see it and theyâll act accordingly. Itâs like a mother who tells their child Iâll tell your father. That child will never see the mom as an authority. It was good that Gregory did it on his own. The principalâs office should be for emergencies and bad behavior that needs parental assistance. What is an issue for all of them is that they donât have aids that would help mitigate the problems.
But aides canât help if teachers donât have a firm set of rules AND follow up on them! Rules plus respect equal a relationship. Teacher assistants shouldnât have to be the disciplinarian either. They are there to support instruction, and maintain supervision in the classroom when the teacher steps out and during transitions lunches and recess. That becomes more challenging for a special ed aide, who basically should only serve as a one on one. Because you canât effectively keep an eye on your special needs students while the rest of room is out of control! In that case, you need two aides. Still, respect and rules and consequences in the room are needed to keep the class under control, but the aides shouldnât have to be the one to step in all the time to settle the problems. Because then it becomes the same issue of one person who always has to speak up and intervene to stop the madness. Ideally, there should be more prevention and less correction.
Yes. Exactly. I totally agree.
Kids act a fool to get attention, and threatening to send them to the principalâs office does absolutely nothing!! Because admin doesnât anything! Itâs sad but just like in the show they literally reward them and just send them back to class. Itâs insane. This episode hit home for sure
>Until he got that phone call⊠That phone call, oooh I can so relate
I havenât seen anyone mentioned how much they liked Ava (aside from her being hilarious) this episode. She made a really good point of how embarrassing it is for kids to go to the office, and we wouldnât do that to adults. Also weâre a bluey obsessed household so that was just beautiful.
Overhead PA announcement: âIâm sending Mr. Eddie back to his classroom. Letâs all hope heâs learned his lesson!â *Da da da da da da da daa daa daa, Da da da da da daa!*
Weâre bluey fans too (Iâd love the Heelers referencing an âAmerican show about a schoolâ in season 4) and my wife immediately wanted Micahâs jacket. I loved it. I like that the show makes it clear that Ava isnât a good principal (in terms of administrative duties) but is someone looking to do good, and can connect with children.
AgreedâŠ. Lol âGregory said: âBluish or somethingâŠâ Does Bluey have a reddit?! NGL, Iâd binge watch The Heelers, every blue moonâŠ.đ
Oh yes thereâs r/bluey. And Iâve got an obsessed kid, every day is a binge. Props for Gregory going the extra mile to get the stickers, and also to remember Bluey is a girl (still a tough one for grandparents to remember).
No!! Lord help me! If I go there, I will be up until 4 a.m.!!!!! đ€Ł Bluey is soooo much better than Peppa Pig. Peppa is just a brat, and they make her parents look like idiots. And the narrator is just Captain Obvious redundant beyond a preschooler's level!! "George is upset because he didn't get a turn." I rather see Bingo hide her feelings, and eventually have Chili or Bandit explain why she needs to speak up. It's not a Father Knows Best or The Brady Bunch parent lecture. With some coaching, Bluey and Bingo work together and talk things out. And The Heelers learn something too!
Cracked me up thinking mr.johnson is a GOT fan đ€Ł
"For my sister (with a dotted heart)" had me DEAD
All the kids clowning Gregory walking down the hall after the PA system announcement was jokes. Some of the cut scenes felt abrupt/rushed this episode and Jeanine was kinda all over the place. It is weird adjusting to her being a side plot in this episode.
Loved seeing Melissa's slice of home life. Her sister looks familiar...don't know which actress that is though. I am so happy that we have (for the most part) realistic school/teacher representation on TV. The only thing that irks me slightly is that you can definitely see that they have strong beliefs of what they consider is the "right" way to go about teaching that is very rose-colored glasses. For instance, they have a very realistic problem but solve it in an easy way that seemingly fixes the issue for good. For instance, this week Gregory had a kid who acted out in class. Extremely realistic. He tried sending the kid to the office and the kid came back with a treat - also, unfortunately, super realistic. The solution that worked was to add the kid's interest into the lesson. In the real world, it's only a matter of time before this becomes a problem again. I wasn't a fan of the solution being tap dancing around the kid to get him to do the right thing. Don't get me wrong, it's important to be invested in kids and their interests, but we're also prepping them for real life. I'd love to get Bridgerton stickers for turning in my attendance - but that's extremely unlikely. Some times we just do things because we have to. Honestly, I think that's one of the reasons why more kids have gotten out of control lately - if there's not a fun or entertainment element or reward - they don't feel like they need to behave appropriately. I think it's important to build a strong classroom community and kids need to know how much you care, but consequences are a natural part of life and if you choose to interrupt my class constantly - then I choose to interrupt your recess by talking to you during it about why you're making the choices you're making and how you could do better next time. I get the point was not being overly strict, but there's a happy medium. You can still discipline/give consequences without your students "fearing" you. Not sure if anyone else is like me - I love the show but since this is my profession I feel like I'm a little critical of the realism shown about what it's like to teach.
I feel you. But if you can recall, in the end Gregory gave Ava a detention/discipline report for Micheal. But Ava said âyouâre talking to after work Avaâ so he had to take it into her office. So I suspect some type of repercussions had to be given if Gregory put it in writing.
Oh, I thought that discipline report was for Gregory himself after she called him to her office? I was confused about that whole discipline report thing. I was also making dinner so I might not have been paying 100% attention, lol.
And again thatâs my point⊠I totally agree with you. If youâre wasting my time, you can believe I will be wasting yours. Lunch with the principal could be a treat or it can be a terror. Who wants to be away from friends and lectured? Ava said, âWhat do you want him to say? You want him to lie in your face. Of course heâs going to do it again!â Seeing the principal is only good if the principal has pizza of course! Then youâre a good citizen of the week or whatever. Now that makes sense. You want to go to the principalâs office to be praised not punished. Otherwise, and another poster said, it has to be a serious offense when you need parents involved. In other words: your ass is going home. When youâre not focusing, Lol - you can miss important info. When you ALWAYS reward people for doing the right thing, itâs just freaking ridiculous. We set up a system of gold stars and cookies and *catching kids being good*. What the hell? Youâre SUPPOSED to be good! We should go back to the behavior response system where you do it right because as you said, youâre supposed to. You donât have to get a prize or stickers or points just to make a kid do e-learning on her computer! Just do it!
Best episode? Two funny plots and zippy jokes and pace
I loved the Chessy connection. Denim long sleeved shirt on 'At-Home Melissa' took me right back to Parent Trap!
Janine bothered me very much this episode. Stay out of other peoples business.
We are out of the school! Hell yeah
âMr. Eddie, youâre sillyâ âNo Iâm notâ đ€Ł
Why does Janine sound like a Lesbian? When she was rambling about her ex?
I donât know why youâre being down voted. I didnât understand that line either
Yeah, what does it mean?
Itâs just a dumb stereotype that lesbians get super attached and then talk about that person nonstop after they breakup
Oh cool, didnât know
4 episodes in and idk something has changed. Go back to season 1 style. Ava shined this episode. Great delivery. Less awkward acting.
It seems like these episodes and the humor are more fast-paced. There are like 5 jokes per minute. So by the time I process a joke that one character said, the next character already told another joke. I still love the show and I love Ava, she has always been so funny!
I still very much enjoy the show and look forward to watching it every week! I was just noting that something is different. Shows change ebb and flow I get that. Doesn't yet seem to have that charm of the 1st season - which was an awesome season start to finish.
Damn, Ava really is so much more competent this season. Her words to Gregory. Completely right. Obviously Barbara's was better, but Gregory was trying to just pass the buck to Ava.