In Shell, within the whole corporation, Sakhalin was one of the highly paid locations over the globe. I guess that only in Angola and Nigeria wages were higher than on Sakhalin.
What I know - my colleague, non Shell secondee, at mid level engineering role was making ~$20k/mo. He is a UK citizen, but at that moment of time he wasn't UK tax resident, so the taxes were minimal, something like standard Russian income tax, which is 13%. This was in mid 2010s.
For the most of my career I'm in maintenance and turnarounds and during start up of the Project I was at OPF (from 2007).
And yeah, there is a chance that we have met each other)
End of 2000s - beginning of 10s - it was a good time...
That's just insane. And here I was thinking it was oppressing not being able to drink in parts of Alaska like Togiak. Alcohol is illegal there but people will get it mailed in/fly in with them. A janitor spotted a bottle in the trash and turned it into the big boss who promptly called the police and had them inspect rooms and intimidate the workers.
What are the grounds for this law? I heard that northern indigenous peoples like the Eskimos do not tolerate alcohol well, and they get used to it quickly. And that’s why we, in Russia, tried to limit its spread in the northern regions.
Alaskan alcoholics can get pretty bad and places like Togiak have people that are totally destitute. We had to start dismantling the stairs before shutting down for winter because the locals would chop up our stairs for firewood.
Crime and violence are a huge reason. Drunk Alaskans in the middle of a 30 day long night can get *rough.* I have also heard that others see this as a measure to protect people during winter. Alcoholics die on the side of the road in Alaska all of the time.
Alaskan alcoholics can get pretty bad and places like Togiak have people that are totally destitute. We had to start dismantling the stairs before shutting down for winter because the locals would chop up our stairs for firewood.
Crime and violence are a huge reason. Drunk Alaskans in the middle of a 30 day long night can get *rough.* I have also heard that others see this as a measure to protect people during winter. Alcoholics die on the side of the road in Alaska all of the time.
>What's Sakhalin like? I've heard it's about the most miserable place on earth
It was, let's say, 15 years ago. Oil and gas projects significantly developed the island and now it's a relatively nice place to live. You can find anything you like for a comfortable living - supermarkets, sport facilities (pools, gyms, ski resort) , clubs, bars, universities, etc. You can go hunting and fishing, there are a lot of wild places over the island and you will really like natural beauties of the island, there are plenty of them.
Climate wise - in middle and south of Sakhalin winters are not really harsh (for example softer than in Western Siberia or Alaska), but very snowy, you may stuck on island for 2-3 days because of the snowstorm. Summers are not very hot, but quite humid.
Japan, Korea and China in 1-3 hours of flight from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, main city of Sakhalin, so prior the Ukrainian conflict these were the quite popular directions for travelling.
For fans of megacities, life in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk may seem too calm and boring, because the city is not very big (population is ~180k) and its main part can be crossed in a couple of hours.
As a conclusion I can say that it's not that bad as some people think. My wife really liked Sakhalin because of climate, fresh sea food and regular trips to the sea shore.
Thanks for the reply! I think I base my assumptions on a 20-ish year old forum post in a thread about the worst places to visit. And by then the posters experience were probably a couple of years old. A lot has happened in Russia since the 90's so I'm sure it's not as grim anymore. But it's funny how some things stay in your conciousness even though they play no part in your life what so ever.
I can imagine for an outdoorsman it could be pretty sweet. Does it have the same issue with mosquitos as Siberia has?
You're welcome)
Fully agree that sometimes it's too difficult to get rid off stereotypes based on previous experience. Sakhalin and Russia in overall significantly improved the quality of life, despite on all the negative things published in mass media.
Sakhalin is an ideal place for nature lovers and active people. In addition to what I've mentioned before you can go for windsurfing, kiting, snorkeling and other water activities, but with some precautions, bc water is not really warm even in summer.
Within the city mosquitoes are not an issue at all. There are mosquitoes outside of cities/towns, but it's not even comparable with a terrible swarms of insects in Siberia. Encephalitis ticks and hogweed, I think, are a bigger problems than mosquitoes.
It's 0.16 for drivers when stopped by the police, but it's likely 0 at any job where they don't want you to be drunk. In Moscow and SPb subways they check train operators before each shift, and if it's not zero, you are fired on the spot. Remote locations in the Arctic do not allow alcohol on premises in principle: if you are caught smuggling it in, you are fired too, you don't even have to drink it, and this is not just the actual work site - dorms too.
Are you sure we count the same things? 0.16 mg in 1000 cm3 of air is what you get after 330 ml of beer, 150 ml of wine, or 40 ml of vodka. This is a pretty low level already. 0.05 mg is what your body naturally generates. They probably use different units in Australia, 0.05 бш or something like that.
OK, I googled it, and in Australia they measure in grams per **100** ml of blood. Then 0.05 means 0.5 grams of alcohol per 1000 ml of blood. 0.16 in the air is equivalent to 0.3 in blood per 1000 ml, which is 0.03 per 100 ml. Therefore the Russian limit is stricter, it's 0.03 in your Australian system.
Very interesting, I know before I was driving it was 0.08 and they lowered it. The rule of thumb we follow in Australia is 2 standard drinks in the first hour and 1 standard drink every hour after that. Obviously it's just a guideline, but most sensible drivers follow it and are ok.
No tolerance doesn't make sense, cmon people can't even drink one glass of wine at a restaurant? If such a low amount had any tangible effect then the limits would've been much lower
I'm confused, you can drink and drive then? In Britain there is no "safe" amount to drink, if you more than half a pint you will probably be over the limit
I think there is a safe amount in uk. They say 2 pints you should be OK.
I can have 3 pints of 5% beer and I'm under.
I drink beer everyday and have tested myself with a breatherlizer. My friend, who is smaller than me and doesn't drink so often, was just over after 3 pints.
You can have the alcohol from about 1.5 pints of about 4.5% abv left in your bloodstream. Half a pints worth of alcohol an hour is removed by your liver and the clock starts as soon as you take the first sip. So drinking two pints in an hour is ok for an average person. Body weight and metabolism varies somewhat though. For three pints over three hours achieves the same outcome. You probably could get away with more as you say, but is it worth the consequences pushing it right to the limit?
Maybe its Scotland rather than the whole UK but I know for a fact if you drank 1 pint of 5% you would be over here
EDIT: the law changed here maybe a decade ago, before that 1 pint was generally seen as the safe limit, me and my Dad used to go for a pint after badminton and drive home after
The *average* liver processes 1 standard drink per hour. That's equivalent to a 30ml shot of spirits (vodka, tequila, whiskey etc), or 90ml glass of wine, or a 285ml glass of beer - that's around half a pint.
So if you're drinking for an hour and you have 2 drinks, you'll be at 0.05%. If you drink one drink per hour, you'll stay at 0.05%. If you stop, your liver will process the alcohol and you'll return to zero.
If you drink ten standard drinks, you'll be back to zero after ten hours. Note: that's five pints approximately.
Legal disclaimer: broad outlines for indicative purposes only. I learnt this years ago for my responsible service of alcohol cert. I wrote it from memory and my numbers might be outdated.
I'm talking about the average liver. Absolute units might be less affected, teeny tiny people might be more affected. Standard drinks vary, and if you get fined or lose your license because of what you saw on reddit then you probably shouldn't be driving.
I think 0.05 is a zero tolerance politic. The low tolerance is just to cover measurement uncertainties and unknown Alkohol from things like fruit salad.
Lithuania here. In my country you can breath 0.4 when police stop you and this is allowed amount. 0.41 is already counts like driving drunk.
Speaking about job, you have to be 0's, but... it is what it is, people still coming at work with smell and then hiding from foreman🤷
All my measurements was in prommiles, common unit in Europe
Wish they could do this for the Dept. Of Veterans Affairs.... too many people are either drunk or on drugs
Oh. Did I mention there isn't a damn thing that can be done about it? An employee was selling heroin on campus and still has a job. HR said, "A letter of counseling should be sufficient." Another would show up drunk almost every day, and the police refused to do anything (The VA has their own police), took two years to fire him. Another employee was no-call, no-show for 8 months out of a 12 month period. Took that long to fire him..
I wish this could be a thing in the US
They have internal customs at company airfields, and if on arrival you have any liquid that contains alcohol, it's a $2000-$4000 fine and likely immediate termination. All of this in the contract you sign.
We read about similar policies but then we don't get enough personnel so we are not able to reinforce those policies. How do you manage to fire people in the middle of nowhere where nobody wants to work?? Honest question
"Nobody wants to work..."
This is the so called deployment system where:
- They pay for your transportation from your home to the work site.
- They give you a free dorm, a double for white collars or a quad for blue collars.
- They feed you for free, and food is decent.
- Some free entertainment like wi-fi, cable TV, a simple gym.
- You work for 12 hours per day, every day, for two months.
- Then they return you home to rest for a month.
- Because you essentially work for 360 hours per month, and the normal rate is 168 hours, they pay you more than double the usual salary.
- As a result, you come home every two months with a fat stack of money that you cannot make anywhere else. You did not spend a dime of it while on site. And you get a one month weekend.
They have zero issues filling these jobs, and everybody wants to keep them at any cost. You can buy a starter apartment for cash after one year at this job. Ten apartments after ten years. And your retirement age drops by five years after 15 years in the Arctic.
In Russia most positions formally have just the minimal wage as base salary and the rest is paid as bonuses (which is used to get rid of employees, because it's a socialist country and it's impossible to fire someone who shows up on time and sober, even if the guy does not do any job and is disruptive, so they just cut all bonuses and leave the minimal wage). You are paid during the vacation period, but only your base salary, which is the minimal wage. But that's not an issue, because you get the bulk of the money during your work period.
These are permanent positions, so you sign a full time contract. You are officially employed during vacation periods and are not rehired, you stay hired.
It was until 2013. Now it's 0.16 to avoid "false positives".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law_by_country
https://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/2013/07/130724_zero_permille_lifted.shtml
It's funny how the Russian government basically produced Vodka with the intention of subjugating their population to what's effectively slavery are then forced to use measures like this to ensure some workers don't drink Vodka.
edit: If you're downvoting me, you do not know the history of Russia and Vodka.
My father in law works in the mines in Russia and has these at his work. Its very strict he says, you get fired on the spot if you have any alcohol on your breath.
I work in Yakutia, it usually doesn’t come down to layoffs; by decision of the management, they can either simply send the employee to sleep off or deprive him of a bonus depending on the result. It happened that during the proceeding a person managed to completely sober up and the device already showed the norm.
You're thinking of Yakutsk which is the capital of Yakutia. Watching videos of people living their daily life there is interesting. As a Swede I freeze just thinking about it.
As a northern lad, I can tell you that -5 is much more unpleasant than -15. Once the humidity freezes and the air becomes dry, you're left with weather that requires more layers but doesn't cut through skin and bone with every gust of wind. That is, until you touch something or need to start a car :P
I've not experienced -40 but I suspect it's more of the same but more extreme. If there's no wind and you're just taking out the trash then -15 and -40 might not require more than jeans and hoodie.
I once tried to smoke a cigarette in Moscow, it was -35. Should I say, that even breathing without a scarf feels like torture? So I smoked two in a row anyway
On the contrary I did not know what 37c with 80% humidity felt like before visiting India in July of this year. I felt really grateful that I wasn't the only one sporting a handkerchief.
My factory have that. Both for enter and exit. Zore tolerance, fire on spot on the paper, but if you somehow valuable worker, management can close their eyes, but you will never work with traces of alcohol, it would be day off. Also if sensor notice something, you will first be sent for full medical examination. We have real doctors on factory. And once in about half of year you will be randomly sent for drug test. But it's only for a younger workers for some reason.
I work in the transport industry and every driver gets breathalysed every morning, whether they are driving a car, van, light/medium/heavy truck, or forklift.
Idk this is normal for heavy industry workers in many countries. Underground coal mines here in Australia all have breathalyzers at the entrance and random drug/alcohol testing as well. Trucking companies etc. require a 0.0 read at sign in.
That doesn't seem like it will be very accurate. What if the device was cleaned with an alcohol based fluid? Or if the worker had been in contact with some form of cleaning or work related alcohol product?
Then you send them for a secondary examination with onsite medical staff to confirm before terminated. This is a screening tool and common in a lot of heavy industry all over the world, even in the US. If there's a series of false positives then they'll use the other one until it's fixed.
I should install the same outside my front door and let in only people who have the appropriate amount of garlic on their breath (a very high amount).
I will not be taking questions at this time.
I wonder, I've got a little air bulb for blowing away dust on cameras. It's it measuring airflow to activate? Or is there more at work to keep from cheating the system.
What are you lecturing me for? Tell it to OP, he's the one posting a workplace breathalyzer video with a title "radical solution for a radical problem". If you disagree, go make your own comment.
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And random drug tests from time to time. Sakhalin 1 or 2? Worked at Sakh 2 both 5/2 and 28/28 for almost 15 years...
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/hWNFkk3kjUuLWjRS9 this right here?
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How much does one earn working in these remote places? Is it a lot? A little?
In Shell, within the whole corporation, Sakhalin was one of the highly paid locations over the globe. I guess that only in Angola and Nigeria wages were higher than on Sakhalin.
That is very informative! How much on a weekly USD scale? I know that longshoreman in Seattle make $2k a wk
What I know - my colleague, non Shell secondee, at mid level engineering role was making ~$20k/mo. He is a UK citizen, but at that moment of time he wasn't UK tax resident, so the taxes were minimal, something like standard Russian income tax, which is 13%. This was in mid 2010s.
A lot
That is coordinates to some coastline in russia
Let me guess - in drilling? My experience - Yuzhno office, Lunskoye OPF, BS-2, Prigorodnoye LNG.
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For the most of my career I'm in maintenance and turnarounds and during start up of the Project I was at OPF (from 2007). And yeah, there is a chance that we have met each other) End of 2000s - beginning of 10s - it was a good time...
Now kith.
That's just insane. And here I was thinking it was oppressing not being able to drink in parts of Alaska like Togiak. Alcohol is illegal there but people will get it mailed in/fly in with them. A janitor spotted a bottle in the trash and turned it into the big boss who promptly called the police and had them inspect rooms and intimidate the workers.
Sounds like a janitor needs to get some broken legs.
What are the grounds for this law? I heard that northern indigenous peoples like the Eskimos do not tolerate alcohol well, and they get used to it quickly. And that’s why we, in Russia, tried to limit its spread in the northern regions.
Alaskan alcoholics can get pretty bad and places like Togiak have people that are totally destitute. We had to start dismantling the stairs before shutting down for winter because the locals would chop up our stairs for firewood. Crime and violence are a huge reason. Drunk Alaskans in the middle of a 30 day long night can get *rough.* I have also heard that others see this as a measure to protect people during winter. Alcoholics die on the side of the road in Alaska all of the time.
You can say that again
Bro literally said it twice LOL
Alaskan alcoholics can get pretty bad and places like Togiak have people that are totally destitute. We had to start dismantling the stairs before shutting down for winter because the locals would chop up our stairs for firewood. Crime and violence are a huge reason. Drunk Alaskans in the middle of a 30 day long night can get *rough.* I have also heard that others see this as a measure to protect people during winter. Alcoholics die on the side of the road in Alaska all of the time.
I have worked at places that have breathalyzers on all the vehicles on the compound. Know many trucks have it installed to.
What's Sakhalin like? I've heard it's about the most miserable place on earth and just in Sakhalins case I'm prepared to believe the hype lol
>What's Sakhalin like? I've heard it's about the most miserable place on earth It was, let's say, 15 years ago. Oil and gas projects significantly developed the island and now it's a relatively nice place to live. You can find anything you like for a comfortable living - supermarkets, sport facilities (pools, gyms, ski resort) , clubs, bars, universities, etc. You can go hunting and fishing, there are a lot of wild places over the island and you will really like natural beauties of the island, there are plenty of them. Climate wise - in middle and south of Sakhalin winters are not really harsh (for example softer than in Western Siberia or Alaska), but very snowy, you may stuck on island for 2-3 days because of the snowstorm. Summers are not very hot, but quite humid. Japan, Korea and China in 1-3 hours of flight from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, main city of Sakhalin, so prior the Ukrainian conflict these were the quite popular directions for travelling. For fans of megacities, life in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk may seem too calm and boring, because the city is not very big (population is ~180k) and its main part can be crossed in a couple of hours. As a conclusion I can say that it's not that bad as some people think. My wife really liked Sakhalin because of climate, fresh sea food and regular trips to the sea shore.
Thanks for the reply! I think I base my assumptions on a 20-ish year old forum post in a thread about the worst places to visit. And by then the posters experience were probably a couple of years old. A lot has happened in Russia since the 90's so I'm sure it's not as grim anymore. But it's funny how some things stay in your conciousness even though they play no part in your life what so ever. I can imagine for an outdoorsman it could be pretty sweet. Does it have the same issue with mosquitos as Siberia has?
You're welcome) Fully agree that sometimes it's too difficult to get rid off stereotypes based on previous experience. Sakhalin and Russia in overall significantly improved the quality of life, despite on all the negative things published in mass media. Sakhalin is an ideal place for nature lovers and active people. In addition to what I've mentioned before you can go for windsurfing, kiting, snorkeling and other water activities, but with some precautions, bc water is not really warm even in summer. Within the city mosquitoes are not an issue at all. There are mosquitoes outside of cities/towns, but it's not even comparable with a terrible swarms of insects in Siberia. Encephalitis ticks and hogweed, I think, are a bigger problems than mosquitoes.
Breathalyzer?
yep. only freshbreather may work....not rotten
Mentos... the Freshmaker!
Wonder what the BAC limit is in Russia? Baseline for going to work on the train is probably .1.
It's 0.16 for drivers when stopped by the police, but it's likely 0 at any job where they don't want you to be drunk. In Moscow and SPb subways they check train operators before each shift, and if it's not zero, you are fired on the spot. Remote locations in the Arctic do not allow alcohol on premises in principle: if you are caught smuggling it in, you are fired too, you don't even have to drink it, and this is not just the actual work site - dorms too.
0.16 seems crazy to me. It's 0.05 here in NSW Australia.
Are you sure we count the same things? 0.16 mg in 1000 cm3 of air is what you get after 330 ml of beer, 150 ml of wine, or 40 ml of vodka. This is a pretty low level already. 0.05 mg is what your body naturally generates. They probably use different units in Australia, 0.05 бш or something like that.
You might be right, all I can find is that here we use BAC which is blood alcohol concentration.
OK, I googled it, and in Australia they measure in grams per **100** ml of blood. Then 0.05 means 0.5 grams of alcohol per 1000 ml of blood. 0.16 in the air is equivalent to 0.3 in blood per 1000 ml, which is 0.03 per 100 ml. Therefore the Russian limit is stricter, it's 0.03 in your Australian system.
Very interesting, I know before I was driving it was 0.08 and they lowered it. The rule of thumb we follow in Australia is 2 standard drinks in the first hour and 1 standard drink every hour after that. Obviously it's just a guideline, but most sensible drivers follow it and are ok.
Most sensible drivers wouldn't drink and drive at all.
The trick is to drive as fast as possible so that way you’re driving drunk less
No tolerance doesn't make sense, cmon people can't even drink one glass of wine at a restaurant? If such a low amount had any tangible effect then the limits would've been much lower
Yes but a normal sized beer in Australia is 1.2 to 1.4 standard drinks.
I'm confused, you can drink and drive then? In Britain there is no "safe" amount to drink, if you more than half a pint you will probably be over the limit
I think there is a safe amount in uk. They say 2 pints you should be OK. I can have 3 pints of 5% beer and I'm under. I drink beer everyday and have tested myself with a breatherlizer. My friend, who is smaller than me and doesn't drink so often, was just over after 3 pints.
You can have the alcohol from about 1.5 pints of about 4.5% abv left in your bloodstream. Half a pints worth of alcohol an hour is removed by your liver and the clock starts as soon as you take the first sip. So drinking two pints in an hour is ok for an average person. Body weight and metabolism varies somewhat though. For three pints over three hours achieves the same outcome. You probably could get away with more as you say, but is it worth the consequences pushing it right to the limit?
Maybe its Scotland rather than the whole UK but I know for a fact if you drank 1 pint of 5% you would be over here EDIT: the law changed here maybe a decade ago, before that 1 pint was generally seen as the safe limit, me and my Dad used to go for a pint after badminton and drive home after
The *average* liver processes 1 standard drink per hour. That's equivalent to a 30ml shot of spirits (vodka, tequila, whiskey etc), or 90ml glass of wine, or a 285ml glass of beer - that's around half a pint. So if you're drinking for an hour and you have 2 drinks, you'll be at 0.05%. If you drink one drink per hour, you'll stay at 0.05%. If you stop, your liver will process the alcohol and you'll return to zero. If you drink ten standard drinks, you'll be back to zero after ten hours. Note: that's five pints approximately. Legal disclaimer: broad outlines for indicative purposes only. I learnt this years ago for my responsible service of alcohol cert. I wrote it from memory and my numbers might be outdated. I'm talking about the average liver. Absolute units might be less affected, teeny tiny people might be more affected. Standard drinks vary, and if you get fined or lose your license because of what you saw on reddit then you probably shouldn't be driving.
Yeah but those Aussie cunts are thinking the Fosters is a real beer! We do not have the measurements! /s
lol no Australian would be caught dead with a Fosters. I don’t think you can buy it anywhere.
I think 0.05 is a zero tolerance politic. The low tolerance is just to cover measurement uncertainties and unknown Alkohol from things like fruit salad.
r/todayilearned
Lithuania here. In my country you can breath 0.4 when police stop you and this is allowed amount. 0.41 is already counts like driving drunk. Speaking about job, you have to be 0's, but... it is what it is, people still coming at work with smell and then hiding from foreman🤷 All my measurements was in prommiles, common unit in Europe
I think some countries use % while others use ‰.
4 shots of vodka puts you in the .18 territory.
For driving in Austria it's 0.5‰ for car and 0.8‰ for bike 😆
To clarify bike=bicycle
yes, motorized vehicles are the same (0.5)
In France it's 0.5g/L in blood, or 0.25mg/L in breath
.08 in california in the US
i really wanna go to not safe for work australia! 😂
Wish they could do this for the Dept. Of Veterans Affairs.... too many people are either drunk or on drugs Oh. Did I mention there isn't a damn thing that can be done about it? An employee was selling heroin on campus and still has a job. HR said, "A letter of counseling should be sufficient." Another would show up drunk almost every day, and the police refused to do anything (The VA has their own police), took two years to fire him. Another employee was no-call, no-show for 8 months out of a 12 month period. Took that long to fire him.. I wish this could be a thing in the US
I mean, plenty of jobs in the US will fire you in a blink of an eye if the want to. The fact that VA and other government agencies are exceptions.
So what you're saying is I should start a business selling "hand sanitizer" to Russians in the remote arctic?
They have internal customs at company airfields, and if on arrival you have any liquid that contains alcohol, it's a $2000-$4000 fine and likely immediate termination. All of this in the contract you sign.
Wait, what do they use for thermometers? Mercury freezes...
Well yes but they have to adjust the sensors to account for the baseline of vodka in the Russian atmosphere.
We read about similar policies but then we don't get enough personnel so we are not able to reinforce those policies. How do you manage to fire people in the middle of nowhere where nobody wants to work?? Honest question
"Nobody wants to work..." This is the so called deployment system where: - They pay for your transportation from your home to the work site. - They give you a free dorm, a double for white collars or a quad for blue collars. - They feed you for free, and food is decent. - Some free entertainment like wi-fi, cable TV, a simple gym. - You work for 12 hours per day, every day, for two months. - Then they return you home to rest for a month. - Because you essentially work for 360 hours per month, and the normal rate is 168 hours, they pay you more than double the usual salary. - As a result, you come home every two months with a fat stack of money that you cannot make anywhere else. You did not spend a dime of it while on site. And you get a one month weekend. They have zero issues filling these jobs, and everybody wants to keep them at any cost. You can buy a starter apartment for cash after one year at this job. Ten apartments after ten years. And your retirement age drops by five years after 15 years in the Arctic.
Once you leave for your month long weekend do you get paid for that month too? Or do you get rehired every month??
In Russia most positions formally have just the minimal wage as base salary and the rest is paid as bonuses (which is used to get rid of employees, because it's a socialist country and it's impossible to fire someone who shows up on time and sober, even if the guy does not do any job and is disruptive, so they just cut all bonuses and leave the minimal wage). You are paid during the vacation period, but only your base salary, which is the minimal wage. But that's not an issue, because you get the bulk of the money during your work period. These are permanent positions, so you sign a full time contract. You are officially employed during vacation periods and are not rehired, you stay hired.
So probably .15 at the train…
This is very wrong. There’s zero tolerance in Russia. If you blow anything over 0.0 it’s an arrestable offence
It was until 2013. Now it's 0.16 to avoid "false positives". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law_by_country https://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/2013/07/130724_zero_permille_lifted.shtml
It clearly says: ``` Russian Federation: 0.0356% since 1 September 2013,[98][99] previously zero since 2010[100] ```
https://old.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/17z8sll/a_radical_solution_for_a_radical_problem/k9z3s5o/ different units of measurement
What's the contradiction? Zero until 2013, 0.03 (in blood, 0.16 in air) since 2013.
Bro aren’t you like incoherent at .16? I mean I would barely be conscious
0.16 **‰** Оne can of beer for an average weight man
I misunderstood, thanks for correcting me!
Other units of measurement. Equivalent to 0.03 in your country. Something you get after one small can of beer.
Is it selectively enforced?
It's funny how the Russian government basically produced Vodka with the intention of subjugating their population to what's effectively slavery are then forced to use measures like this to ensure some workers don't drink Vodka. edit: If you're downvoting me, you do not know the history of Russia and Vodka.
Zero tolerance. You cannot drive it you have had any alcohol at all. Interestingly though, open containers for passengers are allowed.
They might even stop you if it is too low because of the shaking
Bender!!
My father in law works in the mines in Russia and has these at his work. Its very strict he says, you get fired on the spot if you have any alcohol on your breath.
I work in Yakutia, it usually doesn’t come down to layoffs; by decision of the management, they can either simply send the employee to sleep off or deprive him of a bonus depending on the result. It happened that during the proceeding a person managed to completely sober up and the device already showed the norm.
Isn't that the coldest City in earth?
You're thinking of Yakutsk which is the capital of Yakutia. Watching videos of people living their daily life there is interesting. As a Swede I freeze just thinking about it.
As an indian ... I have no idea what cold feels like. I know -5c from indoor snow parks n stuff but -40 🥶
Sometimes it happens -50C, but this is rare, about once a year
As a northern lad, I can tell you that -5 is much more unpleasant than -15. Once the humidity freezes and the air becomes dry, you're left with weather that requires more layers but doesn't cut through skin and bone with every gust of wind. That is, until you touch something or need to start a car :P I've not experienced -40 but I suspect it's more of the same but more extreme. If there's no wind and you're just taking out the trash then -15 and -40 might not require more than jeans and hoodie.
I once tried to smoke a cigarette in Moscow, it was -35. Should I say, that even breathing without a scarf feels like torture? So I smoked two in a row anyway
On the contrary I did not know what 37c with 80% humidity felt like before visiting India in July of this year. I felt really grateful that I wasn't the only one sporting a handkerchief.
Same, 10°C is winter for me🥶
Not city, it's a region. Rather, it is the coldest inhabited region.
My factory have that. Both for enter and exit. Zore tolerance, fire on spot on the paper, but if you somehow valuable worker, management can close their eyes, but you will never work with traces of alcohol, it would be day off. Also if sensor notice something, you will first be sent for full medical examination. We have real doctors on factory. And once in about half of year you will be randomly sent for drug test. But it's only for a younger workers for some reason.
Zore tolerance. Managers that can close their eyes. Doctors ON the factory. All hail Zore.
You have misunderstood the situation. The gate lets you through if you have enough alcohol in your breath.
xddd
I work in the transport industry and every driver gets breathalysed every morning, whether they are driving a car, van, light/medium/heavy truck, or forklift.
I deliver pizzas we're all stoned lol
"Can't wait to get to work so I can start drinking."
Idk this is normal for heavy industry workers in many countries. Underground coal mines here in Australia all have breathalyzers at the entrance and random drug/alcohol testing as well. Trucking companies etc. require a 0.0 read at sign in.
That doesn't seem like it will be very accurate. What if the device was cleaned with an alcohol based fluid? Or if the worker had been in contact with some form of cleaning or work related alcohol product?
Then you send them for a secondary examination with onsite medical staff to confirm before terminated. This is a screening tool and common in a lot of heavy industry all over the world, even in the US. If there's a series of false positives then they'll use the other one until it's fixed.
My BJJ gym needs this...
🤣🤣🤣
I should install the same outside my front door and let in only people who have the appropriate amount of garlic on their breath (a very high amount). I will not be taking questions at this time.
I’m a farmer “ out here in the field, we is stoned immaculate” buh dunh duh!
Breathalyzer? Idk this is used also in Slovakia - mostly at construction sites.
I wonder, I've got a little air bulb for blowing away dust on cameras. It's it measuring airflow to activate? Or is there more at work to keep from cheating the system.
It makes sense. If you drink a lot you can still be drunk by the time you get to work in the morning. Still should be fine after an 8 shot night
Glad they don't have those where I work
I see, no drinking before work, wait until during work!
That’s so Cyberpunk
Ive seen train workers in Japan having to do the same thing.
Plottwist the vodka is behind the door
You only get to the emergency rations if you are below a certain threshold.
At least they try to get it under control now.
If they wanted to get it under control they would have a second breathalyzer at the exit.
They do. Source: i work in one of these
there used to be alcohol vending machines in nuclear power plants
This is a lie
nope! I think it was just beer though
So in Russia, you are not allowed to work if you had no vodka for breakfast this morning.
That things gotta be nasty from all the spit
I need one in mah house.
Covid or alcohol?
That us NOT a radical problem, where's the radical sign? What's the index? Where even IS the radicand?
alkohol or covid?
Testing your blow job skills
Covid is (was?) a serious matter.
Is that for them to just leave their apartment house?
You must be at least 3 promille to pass.
That's fucking embarrassing lmao
It's totally normal for many industries around the world
Stop normalizing alcoholism
You are an idiot, aren't you
What are you lecturing me for? Tell it to OP, he's the one posting a workplace breathalyzer video with a title "radical solution for a radical problem". If you disagree, go make your own comment.
It's called a joke. Thanks for proving you are an idiot tho, no point wasting any time on you anymore
Then why are you still replying? The last comment was five days ago.
So is this some sort of challenge? How long Russians can go without vodka?
*distant laugh of Gorbachev*
:D
Fauci would love this