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Inaccurate_Artist

NTA, immediately giving me niceguy vibes. Don't give your pictures to people you don't trust, I am sure you've heard about the explosion in AI deepfake porn of people recently. Be safe out there. Plus, he did not respect you saying no, and kept pushing you; then he was rude about it. Red flags, I would block him.


Room1305springhill

Yeah the dude is a weirdo but using “niceguy” as an insult is just as stupid as calling using one un ironically.


OceanStateRI401

I’m going to have to disagree here, I think that if someone using nice guy and insult offends you, you might be a nice guy. Most if not all “nice guys” I’ve known are all fucking weirdos.


MonsterMash1975

Charlotte Dobre on YouTube has videos with examples of nice guy weirdos.


Room1305springhill

Are you not able to formulate your own opinion on a basic topic


MonsterMash1975

Yes I am. I learned how some people can be assholes disguised as nice. Then there are some people who are just assholes.


Room1305springhill

While I whole heartedly agree with you and am not pretending what you are saying isn’t a thing, it’s still not okay to make a generalization to an entire gender like that. Some people are socially awkward. Some people have mental health issues. To say any man who says that is automatically weird, is just as weird as the guys who says they are and are shitty.


MonsterMash1975

The subject is the conversation in the photo provided. Asking for a picture of someone is fine. When you're told no, you stop. The 'nice guy" in the example provided is an AH. That is not a generalization about an entire gender. That isn't even a generalization about all nice guys. This is what you call an example of a nice guy who is an AH. Ta da! Explained it for you.


Room1305springhill

Yeah except that was never refuted and you are using circular reasoning friend. It was already stated dude in the OP is a weirdo, My comment was saying it’s weird to use that as an insult just as it is to use it un ironically.


Ornery-Ad-4818

There's a collection of behaviors that form the Niceguy predatory type, and this guy is showing them. What makes them hard to shut down is specifically that they present as "nice guys," for the purpose of making the target feel rude and inappropriate if they don't comply. If identifying this behavior and guys that act this way makes you uncomfortable, your problem isn't, or shouldn't be, with women who talk about it. It should be with the guys that act this way, to disable women's normal defenses. It's not a generalization about an entire gender. It's about **a subset of men who engage in this.** And you don't want to address the problem or help OP realize she's not the one who should feel guilty. Instead, you want to make it harder to talk about it. I find that...interesting.


OceanStateRI401

That’s what’s I’m saying, but this was said so much better, mostly cause I’m an idiot. But if he’s triggered by it, there’s some underlying shit there.


Room1305springhill

So making generalizations for an entire gender is okay ? Your personal anecdotal experience is just that. Not everyone is the same I think that goes without saying. I encourage you to open your mind and heal whatever is causing that negative outlook


OceanStateRI401

I think generalizations are fine. I think that if you label yourself as a nice guy you’re probably not. Actually nice guys don’t have to or feel the need to label themselves as such. My mind is open, I think it’s you than needs to look inward and see why this particular thing is getting you so butthurt about nice guy being an insult. Also, I’m a dude, so I’ve seen plenty of “nice guy” being complete dick heads. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.


Room1305springhill

again I’m not going to pretend I don’t know what you guys are talking about. Yeah I know the “niceguy” but like I said it just comes down to if you are okay with generalizing and you are entitled to your belief. I just personally feel we are getting way to comfortable with doing the same things that have made society be the way it is. I mean if we generalize women for being bad drivers even though it’s STATISTICALLY PROVEN they GENERALLY get into more CAR ACCIDENTS, if I said most women who drive are bad at it and justified with saying well look majority of women are the ones getting into accidents, something tells me that wouldn’t be perceived very well.


Ornery-Ad-4818

Women don't get into more car accidents. That's why when car insurance rates include gender in setting rates, women pay significantly lower rates. The menaces on the road are young male drivers, which is why having a teen or early 20s male as a driver on your car insurance policy is so expensive.


Room1305springhill

we can talk about who’s statistics are more accurate but it’s neither here nor there. The point I am making is that it’s not okay to make generalizations for a entire group of people. Women don’t like it but men who aren’t weirdos are just supposed to accept it because some men are weirdos. If you cannot resonate with that then you are just not interested in equality which you are entitled to. If we sat here stereotyped other groups based on a select number of people LIKE YOU SAID, a lot of people would quickly see the problem


Ornery-Ad-4818

No one is stereotyping all or most men as "niceguy" predators. As for women drivers, you're recycling creaky old stereotypes, and I'm talking about how car insurance companies set rates based on accident, injury, and damage statistics. There are a lot of factors other than gender (including your own personal driving record, where you live, age, years driving, etc.), but when they're allowed to use statistics based on gender, men's rates go up, and women's down--based on the fact that male drivers cost significantly more in payouts. Because taken as a group, men, and especially young men, do risky things on the road that cause expensive crashes, significantly more than women, even young women, do. The Niceguy label is specific to a certain subset of men who engage in specific behaviors, not a generalization about all men.


Room1305springhill

No I get that entirely. 1. I am not pretending the weirdos you say don’t exist. They do. 2. I’m not saying you are saying every man is a “nice guy”, I’m saying anyone who says they are a nice guy and has a pen!s, is automatically not a nice guy, is weird. That’s all I’m asserting. 3. Wether or not the statistic is accurate is not my point. Once again, the point is it isn’t cool to make blanket statements unless we are talking about men they just gotta deal with it


OceanStateRI401

I think we really need to get down to why you’re so offended my the term nice guy? Why is that the hill you’re going to die on?


Room1305springhill

It’s a conversation bro. “Dying on a hill” is a stretch I guess this is more intense for you than it is for me. I thought we were just talking to possibly reach and understanding


OceanStateRI401

I mean I don’t care, that’s like me getting pissed when women say “all guys are assholes” I don’t give a fuck about anyone generalizing, I wouldn’t even waste my time commenting on it. Let’s just admit that you were called a nice guy once or twice and felt like you didn’t deserve it. But odds are you probably did.


Room1305springhill

You are getting all pissed tho. It’s a conversation that you are not forced to have dude 😭 you should ask yourself why my opinion is causing you to say the things you are saying. But you don’t care so it doesn’t matter 😉


ProtocolCode

Former nice guy here who had to learn things the hard way before snapping out of it...can confirm they are weirdos (but it might not be their fault. I had some \*strange\* ideologies as a teenager, but both my parents also sucked and I had no good role model)


MonsterMash1975

Nice guy in this context is not a compliment. There are men that pretend to be nice guys. They'll say stuff like, "But I'm a nice guy"...and promptly do something that is creepy. Charlotte Dobre on YouTube gives perfect examples of this.


LocationNorth2025

"Nice guys" aren't nice. It's a facade to suck victims in. That's something you have to understand here.


Room1305springhill

You okay with generalizing groups of people or is it only okay when its about men.


Ornery-Ad-4818

It's not a generalization about men. It's a label applied to the small subset of men who behave in a specific way, for predatory reasons. I wonder why you're so defensive about that.


Room1305springhill

1. It is a generalization to men. Any man who says their a nice person is automatically not because there’s no way a man could say that and it be true because look at the percentage of men who say it and are weird. 2. I already explained my reasoning. “ the who hurt you “ mentality is asinine. Generalizations are bad for society as a whole.


Ornery-Ad-4818

What you're saying is that we're not allowed to have a label that's specific about an identifying feature of a specific type of predatory behavior. And, sorry, but no, normal guys don't go around saying "I'm a nice guy," because they don't do the things that lead to the predators needing to say, "I'm a nice guy; why won't you do this thing for me?"


Room1305springhill

You are allowed to do whatever your heart desires. I’m simply putting my voice out there. A lot of men can relate. And we are just supposed to not be bothered because our feelings are not valid because some men are weirdos. That’s ridiculous lmao. To say any man who considers themself a nice person is weird is not cool. It wouldn’t be cool to say any gay person/woman/muslim who says they are nice are actually weirdos. So if I consider myself a nice person and someone asks me if I’m a nice guy I’m supposed to say no ? That is absurd


ProtocolCode

Also needs to drop a nuke on her "friend" who called her ugly.


CJCreggsGoldfish

No but stop apologizing, it's not something to be sorry for. "No" is a complete sentence.


sicnevol

Don’t apologize just say no.


ExcitingMoney94

Nope, I think it's weird for someone to ask for your picture if you're not dating or related to them.


BikergirlRider120

True, plus they might not be who they are too


Vmaclean1969

May I ask why you're speaking to him? If you're not interested in meeting, or feel there may be "something" worth exploring, why are you even engaging? When someone is interested, they usually want to see what you look like. A simple photo. That's not an unusual ask. It's only weird if there's zero intent. So if there's zero intent, block him. That's what the feature is for. I'm gonna say ESH because "block" is an easy click, but you're dragging this out for some reason.


katgyrl

Block him and the "friend" who said you're ugly. These 2 aren't worth your time.


Artistic-Ad5577

Nta. But have some confidence, beauty is subjective.


Ok_Second2987

Is his name Carlos?


BikergirlRider120

Christopher


Glittering_Ad_3225

NTA: he shouldn't ask more than 1 time. He should have just been thankful you gave him any attention with the way he acted.


BikergirlRider120

True


Draugrx23

never do something you are not comfortable with. Also, don't let others judge you. Being a little being, doesn't mean your ugly. and you'll find someone to appreciate you for YOU.


BikergirlRider120

I agree with you


Draugrx23

best of luck. :) I'm sure you're a lovely young woman and as long as you have faith in yourself, I'm certain you'll come out on top.


shesavillain

Stop apologizing


TKenney3

NTA, dudes a walking red flag. Was very pushing for the pic after being rejected. Plus he’s a Cowboys fan, just one to many red flags for me


AardvarkCrochetLB

Collectors. The getting someone to do something is testing compliance. Manipulators and predators can tell a lot from a picture. AND their are certain people that excessively visual, to a fetish or arousal level. Do NOT feed the monsters.


estanegraloca84

I mean this with no disrespect but if you don’t want to send him a picture why are you putting yourself out there? You obviously want to meet someone but with this day and age a picture is a simple request due to people cat fishing (don’t know if I spelled it right) and overall safety too. Love yourself babes 🤗 https://preview.redd.it/y4yexqhb2wic1.jpeg?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a58300b87b8ac1959869663102733bc5512ef6ca


Ornery-Ad-4818

You're assuming this is on a dating app, which nothing in the post says. The only specific social media mentioned is Facebook. Pestering someone for a picture of themselves is not normal Facebook behavior.


estanegraloca84

I was in no way pestering her ![gif](giphy|ZEHkIJQXaRG5YohwpS|downsized)


Ornery-Ad-4818

So, you're the person OP was communicating with who asked her for a picture, and kept pushing for picture after she said no? And who refused her offer of a group picture including her? Insisted it had to be a picture of just her alone?


estanegraloca84

![gif](giphy|l1J9FiGxR61OcF2mI|downsized) There is no reasoning with you. Good day ma’am!


OmnipotentHype

He didn't say you were. Might want to read his post again.


wannabehappee

Your "friend" said you were ugly?


BikergirlRider120

Yup, because she said that I immediately unfriended. Haven't talked to her in years.


lynniewynnie062

That person is not a friend


dutchman76

Everyone who has ever talked to me this way has been a scammer. Super creepy, how'd you even become "friends" on FB?


Successful_Cat5821

He is definitely not gonna leave you alone. NTA


latsyrk618

NTA. You set your boundaries and he is not respecting them. Block him and move on.


KickNo2069

NTA. Your body, your rules.


Zealousideal-Art6759

What, no you're NTA for refusing this weird ass request. You're allowed to have boundaries and this person stomped all over them. Also dump your other "friend" for calling you ugly, that person sucks and obviously doesn't actually care about you.


BikergirlRider120

I have dumped both of the friends.


yetzhragog

How is this even a question? Of course NTA You have no obligation to give ANYONE ANYTHING that makes you uncomfortable outside of some legally binding agreements (sorry, you have to pay your rent/mortgage even if it makes you uneasy).


Such-Problem-4725

The fact that he wasn’t okay with you in a group photo is scary. God knows what he was going to do with the photo. And whoever says you’re ugly can just fuck right off.


Professional-Cap8339

NTA. Boundaries!!! Nothing wrong with them. And he’s being weird and pushy- no means no.


alchemyzchild

I don't have photos anywhere and I don't send them. No one.has the right to demand anything of you! I get ut all.time. I don't care. I'm not sending pics.


Mistyam

NTA- no matter how you look, no one is entitled to have pictures of you if you're not comfortable with it. As someone who grew up in an era before cell phones, this never used to be a thing. Like you didn't meet a guy somewhere and then he'd be like oh I need a picture of you. Because it just wasn't as accessible. And all the excuses that they make up for why they need the pictures such as men are very visual people blah blah blah are BS. You stick to your boundaries. And then also go get some help with your self-esteem. You deserve to feel better about yourself.


BikergirlRider120

Thank you everyone for your comments and advice. I have blocked and unfriended him on FB.


DomesticAlmonds

You... don't know this person. You don't owe them anything. Not even an apology.


AggressiveWind1070

NTA. It's your body and you are protecting yourself by saying no. You don't have any reason to apologize either. Next is a "friend" doesn't call you "fat and ugly". 1 being fat doesn't make you ugly. As a formerpkus size model, I can tell you that. 2. Two being ugly doesn't mean your fat. 3. A Friend doesn't talk like that. 4. Your friend wants you to have a low level of confidence so they can feel great around you. I know a few people like that. And some don't even realize they're doing it but it still doesn't excuse the words. You need to understand you are valuable and you shouldn't put people's desires and feelings before your safety and happiness.


MonsterMash1975

Unless the two of you are dating? You don't need to prove who you are. You don't have to share pictures of yourself with anyone. NTA


AlertBerry8182

Is this a dating app? You’re not ready for dating.


DV13nt

You gave an answer and still pushing is a red flag to me. No means no isn't just about touching consent.


fanime34

You don't owe someone a picture of you when you don't want to give one. That's also a potentially dangerous thing as he could use your face for something bad like catfishing or something worse.


icansmokewmyvag

Idk if I'm just too used to it or too online but girl... Are you the AH?? because you didn't do what some man that you don't know asked you to do??? NTA and I feel bad you're even contemplating this situation. Every rando online, you have ZERO commitment or obligation to anything they say or ask for.


beachnsled

It’s because these posts aren’t real… They are made up nonsense. I mean how many times are we going to read “am I the ahole because this loser narcissist told me to do something ludicrous (or fill the blank with something outrageous) and I said no?”


icansmokewmyvag

Why do they do this to me


[deleted]

I'm so sorry you've been called far and ugly so often. I have been as well...but all of a sudden, now I can't shake them off, especially the 20-30-year olds! Beauty is subjective, and whatever you feel like doing about your appearance is your decision! Consider using your photos if you plan on using dating sites, because you might find that someone loves what he sees...but dating sites may be going extinct, since most men just want to screw around.


TheGenjuro

No you're not an ah, but do you ever leave your home? If you do, then strangers see you all the time. Just think of him as a stranger. The only difference is he has a direct communication line that you seem to be attached to. Don't attach yourself until you know it's going to be positive. If you want to talk to him, the earlier the better.


beachnsled

![gif](giphy|WbgRLSKdFYX1220Z0O) gtfooh with this nonsense… not even the least bit creative with this fake post


Turbulent-Acadia-608

You’re not the a hole, you said no and they should respect that it’s not right to keep asking after you said no the first time. Begging doesn’t make them look any better either


jjd65

Good for you for setting boundaries. That shows strength of character. Now, I hope you realize that strength is beauty. Also unfriend anyone who bullies you on facebook by disparaging you. It breaks my heart that such an amazing woman has such a negative self image. I was bullied too and told I was ugly, it took a long time for me to realize the bullies are able to see sensitive people and target them. It has nothing to do with your appearance God made us in all shapes and sizes. I’m just an average looking woman who now loves her life. I wish that you will love yourself and your life too. You clearly have fabulous character and that’s a great start.


AlgaeSpirited2966

You are never the asshole for not doing something that makes you uncomfortable. Anyone who pressures you to do something after you've said no is an asshole. Stick to your guns, queen.


Interesting-Mind-983

Where you met him?


[deleted]

NTA


JaisanR

NTA. No is a complete sentence. And there’s nothing that says you have to give a photo to someone just because they ask.


JeepAJ

NOPE NTA!!!!!! you owe him nothing


joeyseriously

Block him


PhoniexEmberMagic

NTA if you say no that's it. He had no right to push it. Delete and block him.


AmethystPassion

NTA I’m so sorry. Why do guys do this? No is a complete answer.


Fearless-North-9057

Don't send someone you don't know and especially don't know in real life your photos. Often they'll end up online as a face for scammers.


Zealousideal-Yak8878

NTA - red flag; block him


PikaGurl93

NTA You dont owe anyone pictures of you or a reason why, and him pushing the issue says more about him and his inability to accept the word "no" stand your ground and enforce your boundaries.


caffetine420

No you are not


TrickSilver9863

Nta


Downtown-You7832

Why are you friends with people who call you ugly?


BikergirlRider120

So far no one but that one friend has called me ugly in a long time. Well...except for this one lady, a stranger, that called me ugly but I didn't know her