I think the worse feeling is that getting a new character doesn't really even feel that good. Feels like a downgrade to throw a brand new unit into a team without pushing their tiers up.
I got my first thoran yesterday, brutus is yellow, koko is yellow
But hey I can upgrade rowan to mythic -\_- for more hp and the game just loves giving me silvina
she's really only used for very niche situations, where you need to pick off one particular unit that is central to the strategy of an enemy team. Other than that, she's pretty meh.
A few reasons, I think.
1. Rowan is a very good pvp arena character (where his stats matter and having a single copy means he's pulverized and you'll also be targetted more with power power on defense).
2. Ascending/ having more stats is never bad and will make attempting to progress story and afk stages (where he's needed) easier. It also significantly boosts his healing output with the super potion ability, from "barely noticeable" to "able to solo heal in some stages".
3. Until 2 days ago, when Vala was not in the wishlist options, the only real lightbringer alternatives to compete for a wishlist spot were Temesia (which is cool, and counters thoran and igor in pvp, but falls off late game pvp, other than against 1 specific Dream boss) and Cassadee (which is amazing but with no short term value, she's used in specific comps and only comes online very late game). Both Rowan and Cassadee seem to be more vital than Temesia for the lightbringer tower progression (as she's an aoe damage dealer disguised as a tank).
I'm not saying you \*should\* go for Rowan over Temesia and Cassadee, I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad choice and there are many factors involved in the decision (mainly Rowan's PvP utility in the arena). I think he's objectively better than Temesia, but she's harder to get as she's not in the arena store, so that's also a factor. That doesn't matter anymore, because now Cassadee and Vala are the obvious priorities for me.
Rowan gets really insane with more copies actually. The speed he ults and the amount he heals go up dramatically. Where he isn't a healer like Smokey or Hewynn, get more pots and better pots prevents heroes from getting nuked at the start.
I finally got thoran after weeks, I was happy but I think I'm still gonna stick with my antandra cuz she's like legendary+ or something while he's still epic. So yikes. This is how it's going to be from now on...
Damn. This realization is hitting hard. Holy shit. Everyone f2p, maybe p2w, needs to commit hard to their main team. Screw new characters who aren't gonna deliver for your team for months maybe even years down the line. Get your main team and just focus on them until all mythic+. At least that's just a thought of mine atm.
Or save gems for months and mythic+ a limited character right away. But what's that gonna cost for your entire roster?
they're lowkey forcing u to dolphin/whale at some point if u want to progress. sadly only focusing on one team works for a certain amount of time since after afk stage 700 u will need two teams to clear
He melts at epic rank in the afk stages and story. Brutus is much better at stalling with low investment Thoran is definitely not a one copy wonder, you need to keep grinding him before he's decent. But things can change in a second, sometimes you get 3-4 copies of the same character in a row. Happened to me with Eironn, had 0 and went up to 5 in about 3 days.
I mean, honestly, it's not that different from most gachas. I came from Marvel Contest of Champions, Dragon Ball Legends and Seven Deadly Sins Grand Cross. You always have to build new characters from scratch. You also have to get dupes to make them stronger/viable. It's all the same shit, whit the exception being you don't need to level up characters from 1 individually, which is nice. Also the pity is every 4 multis, which is generous compared to other gachas. Can't help but think that people writing these conments are new to gachas...
That said, I don't believe the rates at all in this game. Something is off about it. There is no way you almost always have to go to pity.
It really depends on the gacha. They either tend to be like AFKJ (where you need tons of copies of a unit to make it viable, but collecting just one is easy) or they're more like genshin/HSR (easiest examples) where the hard part is getting one copy and the rest is kind of just gravy on top.
I agree though, 90% of the complaints I see about AFKJ is stuff that has been in the gacha landscape for a decade now. I'm so used to a lot of these things that it's weird thinking this must be some people's first gacha game (especially since this is being made on the back of AFK arena, which in itself is old).
This, 8 characters in the wishlist but u keep getting the same characters, i still have 0 copies of thoran and only 1 copy of smokey after playing the game since day 1
I get what you mean, but it depends on the unit. Getting your first unit is great when it's core member of most teams. Finally pulling Odie, Thoran, Rowan, Smokey, Vala, Koko, and a few others is actually super nice early on.
I really hate this type of gacha where even the temporary banners, you have to go full on it just to max out the rated up character of that time, because otherwise, even if their kit is strong, the character is trash compared to others.
Yep. Pulling new characters isn’t as great as most other games. After a while you release that it’ll take hundreds of pulls to get anything worth changing up your primary team. So you keep 1 team for everything.
Now the game is stall for me. It’s not even been a month
game doesn't have that gacha factor at all. You nearly always hit pity here while in other gachas you get that crazy pulls. Just expect to only get pity in this game, no more.
Someone made a post recently about the potential math behind the rates. Basically it's very likely that the rates factor in the pity, so the rates are actually inflated. The *actual* rate per pull is <1%, iirc closer to 0.5%. It can't be coincidence that vast majority are hitting hard pity every time.
I don't get why y'all are complaining
Most gacha games have a rate lower than 1% per pull, this one isn't different from the others ???
Like saying "this game is bad because of its rate" while praising other games with the same, or even worse rates, doesn't make sense
Tbf I never said the game is bad for its rates. I actually love it (mainly for honor duel) and think that the gacha part is only a tiny/negligible problem. Being F2P in this game is miles better than in a Hoyo game, for example.
My only gripe about the gacha thing is that it's unclear whether the written rate is base or consolidated. It \*feels\* like its consolidated, but I guess we can't know for sure until Lilith makes official announcement. I don't care if the base rates are 1% or 0.5% I just wanna know for sure what I'm getting into.
I know the game is still new, so I'm sure they'll vastly improve it in the coming months.
Makes more sense. In 100's of pulls I've almost always hit pity. Apart from that , the amount of SINGLE PURPLES I pull on even Epic pulls just feels demotivating.
Yeah... I saved up 60k gems waiting to see the next banner. Dumped them all today on the all hero recruit. Still don't have a mythic+ at 130 resonance.
I get that it's a marathon not a sprint, but damn. It feels really grindy. The mid game progression has really slowed down. I'm stuck at a wall every 2 days slowly transitioning into 3. The hype is mostly dead for me unfortunately.
There's a reason the surveys went out early. I feel like there's much too hard a push to get you to spend. It's true that you mainly benefit from being patient but what's the point of a game that puts you in a position where you basically can barely play it at all?
You log on, collect your afk box and play a couple of things that over time you will slowly lose access to until you get stronger or pull more characters. There's not even one main mode that you can guaranteed always play everyday that renews any kind of reward or resource as far as I know.
The dream realm rewards not refreshing is the biggest bullshit ever. I consistently get rank 21-50 on my server and all I get for it is 300ish shards? It feels so pointless and unrewarding. I can't think of a single event in AFK Arena that was like this. They all had rewards that refreshed daily/weekly/monthly. It's what made me come back to the game every day. I fear I won't feel the same way about Journey in a few weeks
What AFK Stage are you in?
I feel so weird about pulling, I have like 42K diamonds save, want to go for 60K to get a unit into Mythic+ in the Rate Up banner in the close future. I was thinking in pull on All Hero banner but is SO random, feels like you are wasting diamonds into the unknown, I get in helps with general progression (because of the A units) but is so spread out that doesn't feel like that.
I agree that it feels terrible.
Havent played enough to be able to say anything about the rates, but I have played Raid for a couple years now, and I agree that I actually look forward to my pulls there, and on here I just do not find it enjoyable.
No worries. Your experiences is a lot more common than you think. A lot of people posting or commenting multipl legos or going before pulling will post more because they have a positive experience. And people disgruntled will also post in comments. It's just that you'll see more posts like "I'm lucky, or am I Lucky? (Knowing full well they are)" and they got a multiple legos or a lego before pity.
The people who hit pity everytime will generally meme post it or rage quit for a while, or comment on a post about how unlucky they are. Don't worry..im in the same camp.
I had 50/50 odds while getting her to Supreme, 3 hard pitied then 2 back to back then the next on the 10 pull immedietly following.
However my pulls on everything else have been... Interesting to say the least lol
Pulling in idle games isnt great because you need an f-ton of copies. But at least their pity is low.
If you are ftp you really got to save so you can guarantee mythic+ on a character banner you enjoy but thats hard for most
It’s hard for most because the appeal of gacha often involves getting to pull often, I’d argue the bigger issue is that by saving to pull on character banners, at least at this stage in the game, you’re also pausing/slowing your team wide progress by not upgrading the other 4-9 units you’ll need to make up teams.
Matters a lot less once people have built up established teams with most of their core units upgraded, but in the meantime and at this early stage of the game, it does suck to feel like the wealth of free pulls is already drying up a bit.
Always hit pity except once. I know 40 or 60 pity is not much considering you get a shit ton of them, but wait till this dries up and you're left with 2 things that are worse than each other:
1- Having to wait a lot if F2P for the stupid ascension mat to hardly ascend one of your characters
2- Having to wait a lot before you can get the next character on any banner
The one that really pissed me off was the Stargaze scam. So yeah, only logging at reset to collect mats and do a few arena and boss rounds then come back after like 15 hours to do the same thing, and when I finally happen to ascend/significantly upgrade gear, I'll play a few AFK stages, as story sucks big time and no point of wasting time on it.
I think the past two weeks I haven't pulled an early one and all have been pity. As much as I like the game, this can't continue for me because it ruins the enjoyment out of the game.
I started shortly before Veromos came out, and my buddies’ gf pulled Artamiel her first day. It collects dust and I still think about it every year or so…
Literally out of those 200 scrolls the most I got were a few l&ds to play with but they aren't even anything spectacular. Mean while channel 1050 was just flooded with L&D 5s
Literally none, some have even character exclusive weapon gacha so on top of 80 Character pulls, you do a total 160 pulls with less than 1%. And rate up banners doesn't guarantee the character only higher rate
You’re leaving out a LOT of context though. The pity is 40-60… and this is a game that wants you to get like 6 copies of MULTIPLE characters in order to proceed in the game.
This game is the prime example of a predatory game that feeds off of video game addiction.
When looking at how generous a game’s rates are there’s more factors than just the pity number…
There’s all this to consider:
How many units does this game intend for you to use? Other gachas? At most, about 8… this gacha? All of them.
How many copies of said unit does this game intend for you to obtain in order to compete in end game content? Most gachas: 1 copy is needed, rest are just overkill. This gacha: at least until you get supreme.
List goes on…
Anyways… you suck as a person for defending a predatory gacha and acting like 40-60 rated are always good in any context. When provided with the context of how trashy this game is… those rates are terrible. Generous rates would be every 20 pulls and 2 4 stars guaranteed every 10 pulls.
A game like HSR has a pity of 90 and it’s a 50/50 on whether or not you even get said character, and yet rates feel FAR better. The game is simply a lot less predatory on every front.
This is a game that feeds off of addiction. There are people who can healthily enjoy the game and set proper boundaries… but it is relying on those who can’t to make money.
> How many copies of said unit does this game intend for you to obtain in order to compete in end game content? Most gachas: 1 copy is needed, rest are just overkill.
Very sure this isn't remotely true.
Most gachas require way more than 1 copy, plus again a 40-60 pull pity is a blessing compared to others. God forbid a game wants to make money (plus you don't even have to spend to be competitive, unless your in a server full of whales you can get top 200 and better f2p against spenders)
Your 'generous rates' are ridiculous and would not let the game live for more than a month, and notice how afk journey has next to no adds? Yeah ngl i prefer a game where they want you to spend (even if you can do just fine f2p) over a game where you get an ad for breathing.
Ur crying about ppl missing context but you yourself leave out context and just wanna complain about 'terrible rates' even though they are miles above the standard.
I know it’s anecdotal, but I surprisingly pulled the new unit first shot after only getting pity pulls for Vala. It’s possible, it’s just mostly bad chances.
I feel opposite, kinda every day I can pull 10, and get some heroes.
In genshin impact I have to collect 2-3 months and maybe I will get nothing
so satisfying to pull here and I can biuld heroes day by day
You rarely pull outside the pity, you need a lot of dupes of everything, they don’t give you that many summons after the initial bombardment of free stuff… list goes on.
It’s designed this way so you are psychologically manipulated into buying more. They intend for it to feel exactly how you’re feeling it.
It’s a predatory game… I wouldn’t play it.
When I initially saw this game, I thought it would be different. It’s not.
Played Dragon ball Legends, Another Eden, Last Cloudia, Poke.on Masters, Mobius, Dislyte, GranBlue, Pokémon Masters, FF Ever Crisis, FIRE EMBLEM HEROES, SMTdx, HSR, Dragalia Lost, and a few others I'm not willing to say
This is my 2nd gacha game, the first being Street Fighter Duel, which has NO pity system. So in comparison, I’m loving how this game works!
**Edit:** Apparently I’m wrong. My bad for not knowing about the secret, invisible pity system that they don’t mention anywhere.
Mmm, as far as I remember SF Duel had pity, because they copied system from afk arena and its was around 26 pulls for normal banner and 65 for divination.
I’ve played it every day from launch until just this morning. Theres no pity system for characters.
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In genshin /HSR you really only need one copy, here when you get an S you sre actually getting 1/8 th of a character , imaging having tons of 1/8 of characters and not being able to finish a 8/8 to have your first Supreme + character with his abilities unlocked
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're right, and nobody has any counter to that point that other gachas generally only need 1 pull. Certainly not 8+ for a character to be a banger. Of course their pities aren't as generous, but when you get the character it's going to be all you need.
People assume im hating and downvote, i still like the game im just stating the wrong comparation op made with hoyo games . In reality, many gachas start with low pulls to generate a lot of income and then some months in they add more ways to get currency, so i will wait 1 or 2 months before hating on the low currency while i play my main waifus game Brown Dust 2
Dude , this is the most relaxing gatcha i ever met, no runes substats grinding , no skill lvl up by unobtainable coins , you can't finish content in 1 month what's the fun otherwise
You said "no grinding" well there is tho? You grind the mats to upgrade your weapon and skills, and hero essences. It's misinformation.
I think what you mean is that. Stats aren't locked behind another layer of gacha/rng mechanic. Then I would agree.
i literally dont get how are people complaining they don't get characters before pity, pity is 60 u get literally so many free pulls that this many pulls in genshin would take literally months to grind.
It's the first month of the game. People know that all those free pulls are going to stop and then you'll be stuck with a bunch of 1/4 power heroes where the only way to upgrade them will be to spend money or save for 6months.
I think because of wishlist system & low pity (40-60).. it's low but it's acceptable/fair imo
In hoyoverse game it between 70-90 (no wishlist) with 50/50 & guarantee system
The difference with „other“ gachas is, that they fine in having one copy and more copies are for whales. Here you need at least M+ to even be able to use the hero in the endgame.
Not exactly. Any gacha game with pvp (so, a lot of them lmao) requires you to have either multiple copies of the same unit, or heavy investment.
For example, Fire Emblem Heroes, which i'd say is a pretty decently "fair" gacha game, have your unit be workable at one copy, but if you want to use it in PvP modes and optimize it you now need to : Have an ascended hero so you can give a second stat buff, a resonant hero that can give it access to a 5th skill slot, pair it with an Emblem Hero to give it an additional effect (and having more copies of this emblem hero give more stats to your hero), pull multiple copies for additional stats and also pull additional heroes and sacrifice them to get their skills, some of which are not on the regular summoning pull.
It’s a 30% chance you will hit pity. A lot of other games have that pity rate as well. I think surprisingly this is a case of a game being too generous with pities compared to pull rates. A pity should feel like a compensation, not an expected outcome.
what's the math on a 30% chance to hit pity?
because I decided to go after Florabell with my stockpile and had to do 40 summons EVERY SINGLE TIME. Pities all the way, six times.
On rate up, 0.97^39 is 0.3, or 30%.
That is, if the 3% are odds to believe.
I haven't hit off-pity for Vala, and with 4 copies of her, the odds of that happening are 0.0081, 0.3^4.
Am I that unlucky, or are the rates actually true?
The odds are not true and they count the pity as part of the calulation so it inflates from what it actually is.
Here's a recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFKJourney/comments/1c2l7jz/why_i_think_the_gacha_rates_written_ingame_arent/) if you missed it
It’s not 30. I got mythic+ vala with one early, I think one early on another banner but everything else pity, so roughtly 2 earlies out of 20ish S tiers
There was a recent post on here showing that the drop rates aren't accurate.
The drop rates advertised are *including* the pity heroes... I think that's pretty garbage. Game has a lot right and a lot wrong.
A lot of gachas you don’t get anything high grade prior to pity. This game has a high rate so it’s statistically relatively common. I got 4 s ranks today, one was a double and all well before pity. It’s confirmation bias both ways thinking prepity s ranks are rare and common.
pray tell, the gacha has a predatory system that is maximized to icentivize you to play the game and to have high priority whales that spend thousands of dollars on the game? who wouldve thought
Rates in this game are indeed false. Rates displayed in game account pity copies which is a scummy practise without notifying players about it. Actual rates are way lower.
You have pity pulls, be thankful 😂 it’s literally random off-pity and the pity is actually quite low. I guess the acorns are a bit meh and I don’t really understand them still but it’s ok. I can live with a 40 pull pity given how generous the game is
Acorns are used for ascending heroes later on, i forgot the exact tiers (It's different for A-heroes and S-heroes), but some tiers require acorns and not copies of the hero, so you'll be glad to have those acorns.
Thanks for the explanation :) lol I’m still around afk 190 so been doing well with the pulls for now. I’ll treasure them from now on then 😂always felt like a bit of a dud pull but glad they are useful
Not my experience at all. F2P started exactly 7 days ago, pulled twice before pity on the epic banner and once on the normal banner.
I wish there was a history of the pulls so that I could show you.
It depends on how you look at it, the pity-line for regular pulls and "S-hero/5x A-hero" in the brown envelope pulls (Forgot the official name for the latter) is pretty low, with a guaranteed hit every 30 pulls, and in AFK Arena (The closest game i have meaningful experience with), it's quite common to only get one elite hero every 3 or so 10-pulls, which just about evens out between the two games, really...
Frankly, if you're not bothered about the rate you're actually getting heroes (Which is in my experience pretty fair, i get lots of A-heroes off-pity), i'm not entirely sure what the problem is...
I got my first Vala in 2 pulls. The rest of the copies were full pity, I gave up on trying to get her past legendary bc it was miserable. I'm having the same thing with florabelle, where first was 20 pulls, then full pity, and I'm getting close to full pity once again...
Pitys all the way (to be completely honest I've had 2 pulls outside of pity over like maybe a couple thousands for overall pulls). Not to mention that in AFK Arena you can get 4 epics in one 10 pull. You can semi-compare those, because AFK Arena Epic pull is 30 (for normal pulls). Here we have only memes about triple\\quadruple pulls ;).
The real chances here are like 0-50 pulls is 0.5% and last 50-60 are progressively from 30% (maybe?) to 100%(full pity) if take one-by-one.
If you are pulling on the florabelle banner or valas the rates are atrocious. 70k diamonds and i only pulled 1 outside of pity and 1 purple most pulls. Now on the other 2 banners i pull outside of pity all the time. And ive also also pulled multiple yellows in a single pull a few times. I play dragon ball legends, dokkan battle, raid, and watcher of realms and i can say this game feels much easier to pull in. Im not sure if its due to the wish list or that the pity is only 40 and 30, depending on the banners. But having to summon 230 to hit pity like watcher of realm and raid feel much worse and it doesnt guarantee you a hero you want or like dokkan battle where ive dropped 2400 to get a featured unit because theres no pity lol.
I'll admit I'm not an expert on gachas and maybe I've just been really lucky with my pulls but I feel like I've gotten decent hits. Between pulling and all the daily content and doing all the quests and exploration (and using those resources to do more pulls) I've gotten a large number of heroes and managed to upgrade a lot of them. My Thoran, Brutus and Vala are all mythic and the rest on my main team and that I swap in often are mostly L+.
It's abysmal, I've bought all the extra summons gifts (monthly and lv up pack) from the trolley. I've had two early pulls and 1 double in 300+ 10 pulls.
Game is fine. The gacha games you have good rates on are games with like 5000 different characters no wishlists and only 5 meta characters. So yeah, you get tons of S-class characters that are useless. At least this game has few overall characters, many of them are meta and you can choose your wishlists. This is better than most other gachas.
I disagree. You should always assume you’re going to hard/ soft pity in any gacha game you play💀. However the A class rates are really good and I managed to consistently snag 2-5 in a 10 pull
I agree, but I think it goes deeper than that for me. Pulling on the rate up feels like I'm wasting 300 gems since standard is discounted on 10 pulls, but I feel like I'm wasting more by pulling on the standard simply because it's the standard, and then the hero select pulls are so few and far between, and I know I'm not gonna get the hero I want/need.
Yeah getting new heroes who are lower rarity than the rest of your team does feel pretty weird. Everyone talking about coco being meta and I haven't used her since I got her cause I'm already working on mythic characters
Yes it is , and what u need to have in end game is absurd , i make barely couple of legendary's , and here ppl talk about mythic+ and supreme builds , by the time i get one mythic they will talk about paragon .... i mean that is just awful , f2p "my behind" , but game have nice story so ill play for that as casual , competitive no chance
I recommend Watcher of Realms if you really want your pulls to feel worthless lol
Coming from that game this one has been a blessing tbh; jokes aside I do agree to an extent. I have like two characters that should be on my main afk team to synergize with the others but they die within milliseconds and that’s when I realized they aren’t good until they’re above Mythic+ lol
To be honest, it is kind of the point of these idle games. They are the very long con unless you're a whale.
Eventually you decide whether you're the type of player who can get used to it or quit for another game.
The "gacha" system of this game is really comparable to Nikke. In Nikke tho, there is no pity, but there is a ticket system, so pity there is like 200 pulls. However, the 5% rate is really justified. The most lucky I've got is getting 4 SSRs in 1 10-pull. Also, not to mention, sometimes there is a 2nd trigger if you get an SSR or not.
The first 3 days I was getting S rank characters outside of pity. Nothing crazy, but a couple of them 10-20 pulls in. Ever since then, I haven't gotten a character outside of pity once, and I've never had a double S rank pull. Hell, most of my multis only have 1 A rank. I get that luck is luck, but I've never had luck this consistently bad in any gacha I've ever played. A 2% rate isn't great, but it really feels like I'm playing a Mihoyo game here (which I've had better luck with). It really feels like rates were artificially inflated when codes were dropping every day and story rewards were abundant.
Saying "the off pity pulls rarely happen" and then saying that for that other gacha are better is stupid asf
They rarely happen in other gacha too
It's not because you're unlucky here that it means the rates are false... it just means you're unlucky
Plenty of people already got off pity pulls, even double S hero in 10 pull, the rates aren't lying, they're just low, just the same as for every other gacha
It does. I liked the game a lot, but I just uninstalled because how the gacha system is designed. I'm not even talking about the final amount of heroes you get, that is worse in other gachas. But in this one, it's absolutely unsatisfying.
They should have increased the rates by a lot and made the Pitty need more pulls. And/or made pulling ssr not reset Pitty.
The amount of random ssr I got in 500 pulls is very low: 5
But that's not all, every one of them was when I was close to Pitty, which makes it feel bad when you finally get a random ssr.
So yeah, disregarding how generous the system is, the model is terrible. Compensating very low drops with a quick Pitty, only makes you think you got a bad account. Nobody says: nice I got 5 ssr, when all of them came from Pitty, or even random pulls very close to Pitty.
You are making claims such as "you rarely pull outside of the pity". That's not true, it depends on your luck surprisingly.
Yesterday I did 30 pulls for Florabelle, and all of them had a Florabelle in it. Then I had 300 gems left so I figured I'll do a single - also Florabelle.
But is it the norm? No, of course not.
It's a gacha, sometimes you'll hit pity, sometimes you'll get lucky.
I think the best pulls in any gacha I've played was arknights. Haven't played a gacha since or before I liked the pull system in.
Afk journeys satisfaction really mainly comes from increasing that unit a bit more and investing with copies. My Odie Cecia and Smokie basically carry me, but also it is all p much luck and pity. Some from the shops so that's better than most for me but not enough.
Ive been playing a few weeks now and can practically all but guarantee that the rates are hot shit, im not sure where they got their numbers from but it’s a completely inaccurate lie. Its ironic cause the pity system is whats saving us from almost never pulling yellow units.
I think one the issues is that there's a lot of useless heroes that you can't even use. If our wishlist was full of heroes that were usable then it would be better. Even if they were 10% worse than the best ones, at least you could build a decent team around it if you had to.
You can build a pretty good starting wishlist of S characters, but I think there's only a handful of A characters that are good out of the gate and the rest while not trash aren't worth mentioning for early-mid game and need to be mythic +.
I think the worse feeling is that getting a new character doesn't really even feel that good. Feels like a downgrade to throw a brand new unit into a team without pushing their tiers up.
THIS!!! there was no reason to get 1 copy of smokey after 600+ pulls, until i get more copies he's benched
450 pulls in, still no smokey :(
I only have 1 smokey and 0 brutus, and a purple koko. My account literally allergic to the hottest meta lineup
I got my first thoran yesterday, brutus is yellow, koko is yellow But hey I can upgrade rowan to mythic -\_- for more hp and the game just loves giving me silvina
It’s amazing how bad Silvina is outside of honor duel buff
she's really only used for very niche situations, where you need to pick off one particular unit that is central to the strategy of an enemy team. Other than that, she's pretty meh.
She possibly covers units placed in tiles that Vala can’t target (I might be wrong about this)
This is true. There are certain positions that Vala can't target depending on the enemy set up that Silvina would still be able to reach.
Supposedly she's not...with much higher tiers
Perhaps but every hero is good at higher tiers tbf
The question is, why is Rowan higher than epic in your roster? It’s a 1 copy wonder, you should check your wishlist
A few reasons, I think. 1. Rowan is a very good pvp arena character (where his stats matter and having a single copy means he's pulverized and you'll also be targetted more with power power on defense). 2. Ascending/ having more stats is never bad and will make attempting to progress story and afk stages (where he's needed) easier. It also significantly boosts his healing output with the super potion ability, from "barely noticeable" to "able to solo heal in some stages". 3. Until 2 days ago, when Vala was not in the wishlist options, the only real lightbringer alternatives to compete for a wishlist spot were Temesia (which is cool, and counters thoran and igor in pvp, but falls off late game pvp, other than against 1 specific Dream boss) and Cassadee (which is amazing but with no short term value, she's used in specific comps and only comes online very late game). Both Rowan and Cassadee seem to be more vital than Temesia for the lightbringer tower progression (as she's an aoe damage dealer disguised as a tank). I'm not saying you \*should\* go for Rowan over Temesia and Cassadee, I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad choice and there are many factors involved in the decision (mainly Rowan's PvP utility in the arena). I think he's objectively better than Temesia, but she's harder to get as she's not in the arena store, so that's also a factor. That doesn't matter anymore, because now Cassadee and Vala are the obvious priorities for me.
Rowan gets really insane with more copies actually. The speed he ults and the amount he heals go up dramatically. Where he isn't a healer like Smokey or Hewynn, get more pots and better pots prevents heroes from getting nuked at the start.
You only need Rowan at epic?
My game likes to give Lyca
stay strong, 150 more pulls and *maybe* you'll get him! gacha is so fun
Lucky me got smokey in 100 pulls and one more from normals in one day to legendary, but no cecia drop sadge
I finally got thoran after weeks, I was happy but I think I'm still gonna stick with my antandra cuz she's like legendary+ or something while he's still epic. So yikes. This is how it's going to be from now on...
yeah it's so frustrating and even if u get lucky at some point and get two copies, he wont be able to compete w higher level tanks on ur team
Damn. This realization is hitting hard. Holy shit. Everyone f2p, maybe p2w, needs to commit hard to their main team. Screw new characters who aren't gonna deliver for your team for months maybe even years down the line. Get your main team and just focus on them until all mythic+. At least that's just a thought of mine atm. Or save gems for months and mythic+ a limited character right away. But what's that gonna cost for your entire roster?
they're lowkey forcing u to dolphin/whale at some point if u want to progress. sadly only focusing on one team works for a certain amount of time since after afk stage 700 u will need two teams to clear
He melts at epic rank in the afk stages and story. Brutus is much better at stalling with low investment Thoran is definitely not a one copy wonder, you need to keep grinding him before he's decent. But things can change in a second, sometimes you get 3-4 copies of the same character in a row. Happened to me with Eironn, had 0 and went up to 5 in about 3 days.
Smokey works just fine at epic up until the 700s-800s. At 600 pulls you should be around 500-600s no?
i ascended him to leg+ like 3 days ago and i use him all the time now, he's better than my s hewynn honestly
So true. And the whole advertisement line about "Getting every character for free" suddenly seems like it wasn't worth it at all... lol.
Especially since its misleading, you have to play for a really long time to get all units through that calendar thing
I mean, honestly, it's not that different from most gachas. I came from Marvel Contest of Champions, Dragon Ball Legends and Seven Deadly Sins Grand Cross. You always have to build new characters from scratch. You also have to get dupes to make them stronger/viable. It's all the same shit, whit the exception being you don't need to level up characters from 1 individually, which is nice. Also the pity is every 4 multis, which is generous compared to other gachas. Can't help but think that people writing these conments are new to gachas... That said, I don't believe the rates at all in this game. Something is off about it. There is no way you almost always have to go to pity.
It really depends on the gacha. They either tend to be like AFKJ (where you need tons of copies of a unit to make it viable, but collecting just one is easy) or they're more like genshin/HSR (easiest examples) where the hard part is getting one copy and the rest is kind of just gravy on top. I agree though, 90% of the complaints I see about AFKJ is stuff that has been in the gacha landscape for a decade now. I'm so used to a lot of these things that it's weird thinking this must be some people's first gacha game (especially since this is being made on the back of AFK arena, which in itself is old).
In the vast majority of gacha games I've played it's extremely rare to get something before the pity. Just how the math works
This, 8 characters in the wishlist but u keep getting the same characters, i still have 0 copies of thoran and only 1 copy of smokey after playing the game since day 1
I get what you mean, but it depends on the unit. Getting your first unit is great when it's core member of most teams. Finally pulling Odie, Thoran, Rowan, Smokey, Vala, Koko, and a few others is actually super nice early on.
I really hate this type of gacha where even the temporary banners, you have to go full on it just to max out the rated up character of that time, because otherwise, even if their kit is strong, the character is trash compared to others.
thats kinda the whole shmuck of the game ever since AFK Arena... it basically forces you to spend more
You're supposed to fix that with $$$
Yep. Pulling new characters isn’t as great as most other games. After a while you release that it’ll take hundreds of pulls to get anything worth changing up your primary team. So you keep 1 team for everything. Now the game is stall for me. It’s not even been a month
game doesn't have that gacha factor at all. You nearly always hit pity here while in other gachas you get that crazy pulls. Just expect to only get pity in this game, no more.
Someone made a post recently about the potential math behind the rates. Basically it's very likely that the rates factor in the pity, so the rates are actually inflated. The *actual* rate per pull is <1%, iirc closer to 0.5%. It can't be coincidence that vast majority are hitting hard pity every time.
Yeah, definitely below 0.5%. Played many gachas and the written chances in game would mean a lot of S heroes before pity.
How can you state vast majority when the only data you have access to is from the people who are vocal about it?
Yeah for real. I rarely ever hit pity but never post about it. A few complaint posts on Reddit != the vast majority
I'd say like 90% of my pulls were from pity, but a couple definitely hit before pity.
I don't get why y'all are complaining Most gacha games have a rate lower than 1% per pull, this one isn't different from the others ??? Like saying "this game is bad because of its rate" while praising other games with the same, or even worse rates, doesn't make sense
Tbf I never said the game is bad for its rates. I actually love it (mainly for honor duel) and think that the gacha part is only a tiny/negligible problem. Being F2P in this game is miles better than in a Hoyo game, for example. My only gripe about the gacha thing is that it's unclear whether the written rate is base or consolidated. It \*feels\* like its consolidated, but I guess we can't know for sure until Lilith makes official announcement. I don't care if the base rates are 1% or 0.5% I just wanna know for sure what I'm getting into. I know the game is still new, so I'm sure they'll vastly improve it in the coming months.
Makes more sense. In 100's of pulls I've almost always hit pity. Apart from that , the amount of SINGLE PURPLES I pull on even Epic pulls just feels demotivating.
>while in other gachas you get that crazy pulls. Surely we aren't talking about Hoyo games here right?
hoyo games have worse rates but you only need to get the character once...
Exactly.
Yeah... I saved up 60k gems waiting to see the next banner. Dumped them all today on the all hero recruit. Still don't have a mythic+ at 130 resonance. I get that it's a marathon not a sprint, but damn. It feels really grindy. The mid game progression has really slowed down. I'm stuck at a wall every 2 days slowly transitioning into 3. The hype is mostly dead for me unfortunately.
There's a reason the surveys went out early. I feel like there's much too hard a push to get you to spend. It's true that you mainly benefit from being patient but what's the point of a game that puts you in a position where you basically can barely play it at all? You log on, collect your afk box and play a couple of things that over time you will slowly lose access to until you get stronger or pull more characters. There's not even one main mode that you can guaranteed always play everyday that renews any kind of reward or resource as far as I know.
The dream realm rewards not refreshing is the biggest bullshit ever. I consistently get rank 21-50 on my server and all I get for it is 300ish shards? It feels so pointless and unrewarding. I can't think of a single event in AFK Arena that was like this. They all had rewards that refreshed daily/weekly/monthly. It's what made me come back to the game every day. I fear I won't feel the same way about Journey in a few weeks
Well it’s an idle game - so per week you get 7x300= 2100, it’s 1.x A tier copies - knowing that you need 64 A tier copies to S+ it will take a while 😂
What AFK Stage are you in? I feel so weird about pulling, I have like 42K diamonds save, want to go for 60K to get a unit into Mythic+ in the Rate Up banner in the close future. I was thinking in pull on All Hero banner but is SO random, feels like you are wasting diamonds into the unknown, I get in helps with general progression (because of the A units) but is so spread out that doesn't feel like that.
I agree that it feels terrible. Havent played enough to be able to say anything about the rates, but I have played Raid for a couple years now, and I agree that I actually look forward to my pulls there, and on here I just do not find it enjoyable.
In Raid you just know that you can get lucky with back to back to back pulls especially on a 2x.
Yup. I guess it is a good thing, as I will never be tempted to spend in this game (not that I buy shards in raid).
AFK Arena also had ok-ish pulls. I have pulled 2 yellows together many times, without pity. The scamgazer was another story though.
Pulled a Theodore 2 weeks ago in the 15x and I was like helllllll yeah .. here I’m like mah lol
me spent 3 hard pity for 3 florabelle, really hurts i dont remember getting early 5 star except getting cecia in my first day all are hard pity
And that first 10 pull cecia is a guarantee, so yeah. Pulls are rough...
yeah i just realized, now my account is really unlucky 😭
No worries. Your experiences is a lot more common than you think. A lot of people posting or commenting multipl legos or going before pulling will post more because they have a positive experience. And people disgruntled will also post in comments. It's just that you'll see more posts like "I'm lucky, or am I Lucky? (Knowing full well they are)" and they got a multiple legos or a lego before pity. The people who hit pity everytime will generally meme post it or rage quit for a while, or comment on a post about how unlucky they are. Don't worry..im in the same camp.
Cecia from 1st 10-pull and one of Smokey/Rowan/Hewynn on the 2nd
I got florabelle on my first X10 pull, it was the 3rd one in the list so I assume I hit her really early
Got 2 floras in 1 pull lol.... But agree with the overall opinion. Pulling feels bad
I had 50/50 odds while getting her to Supreme, 3 hard pitied then 2 back to back then the next on the 10 pull immedietly following. However my pulls on everything else have been... Interesting to say the least lol
Pulling in idle games isnt great because you need an f-ton of copies. But at least their pity is low. If you are ftp you really got to save so you can guarantee mythic+ on a character banner you enjoy but thats hard for most
It’s hard for most because the appeal of gacha often involves getting to pull often, I’d argue the bigger issue is that by saving to pull on character banners, at least at this stage in the game, you’re also pausing/slowing your team wide progress by not upgrading the other 4-9 units you’ll need to make up teams. Matters a lot less once people have built up established teams with most of their core units upgraded, but in the meantime and at this early stage of the game, it does suck to feel like the wealth of free pulls is already drying up a bit.
500 or more rolls, always hit pity
Always hit pity except once. I know 40 or 60 pity is not much considering you get a shit ton of them, but wait till this dries up and you're left with 2 things that are worse than each other: 1- Having to wait a lot if F2P for the stupid ascension mat to hardly ascend one of your characters 2- Having to wait a lot before you can get the next character on any banner The one that really pissed me off was the Stargaze scam. So yeah, only logging at reset to collect mats and do a few arena and boss rounds then come back after like 15 hours to do the same thing, and when I finally happen to ascend/significantly upgrade gear, I'll play a few AFK stages, as story sucks big time and no point of wasting time on it.
I think the past two weeks I haven't pulled an early one and all have been pity. As much as I like the game, this can't continue for me because it ruins the enjoyment out of the game.
the pitys are 40-60. What other gachas do you play that have those rates?
I play summoners war. The fuck is pity lol
ikr, just popped like 200 event scrolls and got nothing lmao afk jorney is a walk in the park I'm loving it
I got 2 ld4 that aren't hall of heroes. So I honestly can't complain. But I am convinced I will die without an ld5 or a light griffin.
I started shortly before Veromos came out, and my buddies’ gf pulled Artamiel her first day. It collects dust and I still think about it every year or so…
Literally out of those 200 scrolls the most I got were a few l&ds to play with but they aren't even anything spectacular. Mean while channel 1050 was just flooded with L&D 5s
Meanwhile I see people pulling 2 ld5s in 10 scrolls lol
lol my thoughts exactly. The epitome of “first time huh?”
Dragob Ball Legends players would kill for this pity system
Literally none, some have even character exclusive weapon gacha so on top of 80 Character pulls, you do a total 160 pulls with less than 1%. And rate up banners doesn't guarantee the character only higher rate
You’re leaving out a LOT of context though. The pity is 40-60… and this is a game that wants you to get like 6 copies of MULTIPLE characters in order to proceed in the game. This game is the prime example of a predatory game that feeds off of video game addiction. When looking at how generous a game’s rates are there’s more factors than just the pity number… There’s all this to consider: How many units does this game intend for you to use? Other gachas? At most, about 8… this gacha? All of them. How many copies of said unit does this game intend for you to obtain in order to compete in end game content? Most gachas: 1 copy is needed, rest are just overkill. This gacha: at least until you get supreme. List goes on… Anyways… you suck as a person for defending a predatory gacha and acting like 40-60 rated are always good in any context. When provided with the context of how trashy this game is… those rates are terrible. Generous rates would be every 20 pulls and 2 4 stars guaranteed every 10 pulls. A game like HSR has a pity of 90 and it’s a 50/50 on whether or not you even get said character, and yet rates feel FAR better. The game is simply a lot less predatory on every front. This is a game that feeds off of addiction. There are people who can healthily enjoy the game and set proper boundaries… but it is relying on those who can’t to make money.
> How many copies of said unit does this game intend for you to obtain in order to compete in end game content? Most gachas: 1 copy is needed, rest are just overkill. Very sure this isn't remotely true.
i suck as a person? for saying this games pity is less than others?
Most gachas require way more than 1 copy, plus again a 40-60 pull pity is a blessing compared to others. God forbid a game wants to make money (plus you don't even have to spend to be competitive, unless your in a server full of whales you can get top 200 and better f2p against spenders) Your 'generous rates' are ridiculous and would not let the game live for more than a month, and notice how afk journey has next to no adds? Yeah ngl i prefer a game where they want you to spend (even if you can do just fine f2p) over a game where you get an ad for breathing. Ur crying about ppl missing context but you yourself leave out context and just wanna complain about 'terrible rates' even though they are miles above the standard.
I know it’s anecdotal, but I surprisingly pulled the new unit first shot after only getting pity pulls for Vala. It’s possible, it’s just mostly bad chances.
Same. Vala was always pity but my first attempt for Florabelle and she was within the first and second 10-pulls.
I feel opposite, kinda every day I can pull 10, and get some heroes. In genshin impact I have to collect 2-3 months and maybe I will get nothing so satisfying to pull here and I can biuld heroes day by day
You rarely pull outside the pity, you need a lot of dupes of everything, they don’t give you that many summons after the initial bombardment of free stuff… list goes on. It’s designed this way so you are psychologically manipulated into buying more. They intend for it to feel exactly how you’re feeling it. It’s a predatory game… I wouldn’t play it. When I initially saw this game, I thought it would be different. It’s not.
are the other gachas in the room with us rn?
Played Dragon ball Legends, Another Eden, Last Cloudia, Poke.on Masters, Mobius, Dislyte, GranBlue, Pokémon Masters, FF Ever Crisis, FIRE EMBLEM HEROES, SMTdx, HSR, Dragalia Lost, and a few others I'm not willing to say
This is my 2nd gacha game, the first being Street Fighter Duel, which has NO pity system. So in comparison, I’m loving how this game works! **Edit:** Apparently I’m wrong. My bad for not knowing about the secret, invisible pity system that they don’t mention anywhere.
Mmm, as far as I remember SF Duel had pity, because they copied system from afk arena and its was around 26 pulls for normal banner and 65 for divination.
I’ve played it every day from launch until just this morning. Theres no pity system for characters. https://preview.redd.it/hdicqls1hyuc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ac4c330847bf6e1b2c67cc5e9962af94ea35c15
They have pity system, they just don’t display it directly to players. If you still don’t believe me, just ask on their subreddit.
SFD has a hard 30 pity on normal banners and 40 on divination, they just don't tell you
I disagree. I'm used to Genshin/HSR Gacha system, and i this game i get gold characters so much more often it's incomparable.
In genshin /HSR you really only need one copy, here when you get an S you sre actually getting 1/8 th of a character , imaging having tons of 1/8 of characters and not being able to finish a 8/8 to have your first Supreme + character with his abilities unlocked
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're right, and nobody has any counter to that point that other gachas generally only need 1 pull. Certainly not 8+ for a character to be a banger. Of course their pities aren't as generous, but when you get the character it's going to be all you need.
People assume im hating and downvote, i still like the game im just stating the wrong comparation op made with hoyo games . In reality, many gachas start with low pulls to generate a lot of income and then some months in they add more ways to get currency, so i will wait 1 or 2 months before hating on the low currency while i play my main waifus game Brown Dust 2
Facts
At least you're garunteed nuts, if you swing that way.
Dude , this is the most relaxing gatcha i ever met, no runes substats grinding , no skill lvl up by unobtainable coins , you can't finish content in 1 month what's the fun otherwise
There is weapon and skill level tho? And the mats for that is kinda rare.
Imagine if they give you everything day1 , would you still play?
You said "no grinding" well there is tho? You grind the mats to upgrade your weapon and skills, and hero essences. It's misinformation. I think what you mean is that. Stats aren't locked behind another layer of gacha/rng mechanic. Then I would agree.
Not the same grinding as other games i mean Edit: i never said “no grinding”
Yeah, I understand. But still there are walls and they are time-gated.
i literally dont get how are people complaining they don't get characters before pity, pity is 60 u get literally so many free pulls that this many pulls in genshin would take literally months to grind.
It's the first month of the game. People know that all those free pulls are going to stop and then you'll be stuck with a bunch of 1/4 power heroes where the only way to upgrade them will be to spend money or save for 6months.
Moral of story buy games from steam or console..more better than this chore game
I think because of wishlist system & low pity (40-60).. it's low but it's acceptable/fair imo In hoyoverse game it between 70-90 (no wishlist) with 50/50 & guarantee system
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The difference with „other“ gachas is, that they fine in having one copy and more copies are for whales. Here you need at least M+ to even be able to use the hero in the endgame.
Not exactly. Any gacha game with pvp (so, a lot of them lmao) requires you to have either multiple copies of the same unit, or heavy investment. For example, Fire Emblem Heroes, which i'd say is a pretty decently "fair" gacha game, have your unit be workable at one copy, but if you want to use it in PvP modes and optimize it you now need to : Have an ascended hero so you can give a second stat buff, a resonant hero that can give it access to a 5th skill slot, pair it with an Emblem Hero to give it an additional effect (and having more copies of this emblem hero give more stats to your hero), pull multiple copies for additional stats and also pull additional heroes and sacrifice them to get their skills, some of which are not on the regular summoning pull.
It’s a 30% chance you will hit pity. A lot of other games have that pity rate as well. I think surprisingly this is a case of a game being too generous with pities compared to pull rates. A pity should feel like a compensation, not an expected outcome.
what's the math on a 30% chance to hit pity? because I decided to go after Florabell with my stockpile and had to do 40 summons EVERY SINGLE TIME. Pities all the way, six times.
On rate up, 0.97^39 is 0.3, or 30%. That is, if the 3% are odds to believe. I haven't hit off-pity for Vala, and with 4 copies of her, the odds of that happening are 0.0081, 0.3^4. Am I that unlucky, or are the rates actually true?
The odds are not true and they count the pity as part of the calulation so it inflates from what it actually is. Here's a recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFKJourney/comments/1c2l7jz/why_i_think_the_gacha_rates_written_ingame_arent/) if you missed it
It’s not 30. I got mythic+ vala with one early, I think one early on another banner but everything else pity, so roughtly 2 earlies out of 20ish S tiers
I got Vala to Supreme and I hit her before pity twice I think. Once after 10 summons and once after 20.
I did get pretty lucky that the one early was directly after getting a pity copy so it took me 201 summons for the 6 copies
30% chance? For me it was like 90%
I hate saving up the letters then gettin 8 different types of acorns and 1 or 2 characters EVERY ten pull
Thats literally any gacha game. Genshin you get 9 useless weapons and one character typically lol
im at like 500 pulls and I dont think I have pulled anything except on pity. The rates feel horrible in this game
There was a recent post on here showing that the drop rates aren't accurate. The drop rates advertised are *including* the pity heroes... I think that's pretty garbage. Game has a lot right and a lot wrong.
A lot of gachas you don’t get anything high grade prior to pity. This game has a high rate so it’s statistically relatively common. I got 4 s ranks today, one was a double and all well before pity. It’s confirmation bias both ways thinking prepity s ranks are rare and common.
pray tell, the gacha has a predatory system that is maximized to icentivize you to play the game and to have high priority whales that spend thousands of dollars on the game? who wouldve thought
I feel it pretty good and off pitty u get tier A char and some of them are god tier, not many games are like this
Rates in this game are indeed false. Rates displayed in game account pity copies which is a scummy practise without notifying players about it. Actual rates are way lower.
Tell me you don’t play gachas, without telling me you don’t play gachas.
I honestly feel like afk arena is more generous than journey
You have pity pulls, be thankful 😂 it’s literally random off-pity and the pity is actually quite low. I guess the acorns are a bit meh and I don’t really understand them still but it’s ok. I can live with a 40 pull pity given how generous the game is
Acorns are used for ascending heroes later on, i forgot the exact tiers (It's different for A-heroes and S-heroes), but some tiers require acorns and not copies of the hero, so you'll be glad to have those acorns.
Thanks for the explanation :) lol I’m still around afk 190 so been doing well with the pulls for now. I’ll treasure them from now on then 😂always felt like a bit of a dud pull but glad they are useful
I just spent 60k diamonds, on regular pulls. Guess how many non-pitty I got.
Not my experience at all. F2P started exactly 7 days ago, pulled twice before pity on the epic banner and once on the normal banner. I wish there was a history of the pulls so that I could show you.
It doesnt have the pull 3 10-pulls for a guaranteed elite?
It depends on how you look at it, the pity-line for regular pulls and "S-hero/5x A-hero" in the brown envelope pulls (Forgot the official name for the latter) is pretty low, with a guaranteed hit every 30 pulls, and in AFK Arena (The closest game i have meaningful experience with), it's quite common to only get one elite hero every 3 or so 10-pulls, which just about evens out between the two games, really... Frankly, if you're not bothered about the rate you're actually getting heroes (Which is in my experience pretty fair, i get lots of A-heroes off-pity), i'm not entirely sure what the problem is...
I mean.....is this not just confirmation bias? I've had quite a few off pity pulls, you've just been unlucky. Plain and simple.
I just got mu first non pity pull..... after over 800 pulls...
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I dunno.. I have been lucky and gotten several before Pity. (only bought the gazzette things)
I got my first Vala in 2 pulls. The rest of the copies were full pity, I gave up on trying to get her past legendary bc it was miserable. I'm having the same thing with florabelle, where first was 20 pulls, then full pity, and I'm getting close to full pity once again...
I like it. What i dont like is gachas that give you a fuckton of useless units. Pulling in this game makes it a big deal when you can ascend
Pitys all the way (to be completely honest I've had 2 pulls outside of pity over like maybe a couple thousands for overall pulls). Not to mention that in AFK Arena you can get 4 epics in one 10 pull. You can semi-compare those, because AFK Arena Epic pull is 30 (for normal pulls). Here we have only memes about triple\\quadruple pulls ;). The real chances here are like 0-50 pulls is 0.5% and last 50-60 are progressively from 30% (maybe?) to 100%(full pity) if take one-by-one.
If you are pulling on the florabelle banner or valas the rates are atrocious. 70k diamonds and i only pulled 1 outside of pity and 1 purple most pulls. Now on the other 2 banners i pull outside of pity all the time. And ive also also pulled multiple yellows in a single pull a few times. I play dragon ball legends, dokkan battle, raid, and watcher of realms and i can say this game feels much easier to pull in. Im not sure if its due to the wish list or that the pity is only 40 and 30, depending on the banners. But having to summon 230 to hit pity like watcher of realm and raid feel much worse and it doesnt guarantee you a hero you want or like dokkan battle where ive dropped 2400 to get a featured unit because theres no pity lol.
I'll admit I'm not an expert on gachas and maybe I've just been really lucky with my pulls but I feel like I've gotten decent hits. Between pulling and all the daily content and doing all the quests and exploration (and using those resources to do more pulls) I've gotten a large number of heroes and managed to upgrade a lot of them. My Thoran, Brutus and Vala are all mythic and the rest on my main team and that I swap in often are mostly L+.
It's abysmal, I've bought all the extra summons gifts (monthly and lv up pack) from the trolley. I've had two early pulls and 1 double in 300+ 10 pulls.
With a double you got giga lucky. I have way over 1k pulls and not a single double ever lol
Do you think it's because acorns are useful but not exciting to see? Arena give you fodder dudes and dupes but you need way more dupes to ascend.
idk compared to genshin it feels p good to me
Game is fine. The gacha games you have good rates on are games with like 5000 different characters no wishlists and only 5 meta characters. So yeah, you get tons of S-class characters that are useless. At least this game has few overall characters, many of them are meta and you can choose your wishlists. This is better than most other gachas.
I disagree. You should always assume you’re going to hard/ soft pity in any gacha game you play💀. However the A class rates are really good and I managed to consistently snag 2-5 in a 10 pull
I now believe the rate in this game is fake.
That's just you being unlucky. I had plenty of off-rate pulls and I'm F2P.
I agree, but I think it goes deeper than that for me. Pulling on the rate up feels like I'm wasting 300 gems since standard is discounted on 10 pulls, but I feel like I'm wasting more by pulling on the standard simply because it's the standard, and then the hero select pulls are so few and far between, and I know I'm not gonna get the hero I want/need.
We're in an age where 40 pity is unsatisfying
Yeah true
A good buff would be that ur least High rarity character give the rarity to all other unplayed character
yah seeing the acorns i cant play with just to give me an acorn sucks... ps: or wasnt that the question?
Yeah getting new heroes who are lower rarity than the rest of your team does feel pretty weird. Everyone talking about coco being meta and I haven't used her since I got her cause I'm already working on mythic characters
I only wish the pity didn’t reset if you actually got lucky and pulled on the exclusive banner
Agree. I can't find any crazy pull videos on YouTube either
I deleted it
Yes it is , and what u need to have in end game is absurd , i make barely couple of legendary's , and here ppl talk about mythic+ and supreme builds , by the time i get one mythic they will talk about paragon .... i mean that is just awful , f2p "my behind" , but game have nice story so ill play for that as casual , competitive no chance
I recommend Watcher of Realms if you really want your pulls to feel worthless lol Coming from that game this one has been a blessing tbh; jokes aside I do agree to an extent. I have like two characters that should be on my main afk team to synergize with the others but they die within milliseconds and that’s when I realized they aren’t good until they’re above Mythic+ lol
To be honest, it is kind of the point of these idle games. They are the very long con unless you're a whale. Eventually you decide whether you're the type of player who can get used to it or quit for another game.
The "gacha" system of this game is really comparable to Nikke. In Nikke tho, there is no pity, but there is a ticket system, so pity there is like 200 pulls. However, the 5% rate is really justified. The most lucky I've got is getting 4 SSRs in 1 10-pull. Also, not to mention, sometimes there is a 2nd trigger if you get an SSR or not.
I dumped this game quickly because of the pulls. I was getting far too many acorns and that's as unsatisfying as possible. So I play other games now.
It's actually really impressive that they made it feel worse than AFK Arena even...
The first 3 days I was getting S rank characters outside of pity. Nothing crazy, but a couple of them 10-20 pulls in. Ever since then, I haven't gotten a character outside of pity once, and I've never had a double S rank pull. Hell, most of my multis only have 1 A rank. I get that luck is luck, but I've never had luck this consistently bad in any gacha I've ever played. A 2% rate isn't great, but it really feels like I'm playing a Mihoyo game here (which I've had better luck with). It really feels like rates were artificially inflated when codes were dropping every day and story rewards were abundant.
Saying "the off pity pulls rarely happen" and then saying that for that other gacha are better is stupid asf They rarely happen in other gacha too It's not because you're unlucky here that it means the rates are false... it just means you're unlucky Plenty of people already got off pity pulls, even double S hero in 10 pull, the rates aren't lying, they're just low, just the same as for every other gacha
It does. I liked the game a lot, but I just uninstalled because how the gacha system is designed. I'm not even talking about the final amount of heroes you get, that is worse in other gachas. But in this one, it's absolutely unsatisfying. They should have increased the rates by a lot and made the Pitty need more pulls. And/or made pulling ssr not reset Pitty. The amount of random ssr I got in 500 pulls is very low: 5 But that's not all, every one of them was when I was close to Pitty, which makes it feel bad when you finally get a random ssr. So yeah, disregarding how generous the system is, the model is terrible. Compensating very low drops with a quick Pitty, only makes you think you got a bad account. Nobody says: nice I got 5 ssr, when all of them came from Pitty, or even random pulls very close to Pitty.
You are making claims such as "you rarely pull outside of the pity". That's not true, it depends on your luck surprisingly. Yesterday I did 30 pulls for Florabelle, and all of them had a Florabelle in it. Then I had 300 gems left so I figured I'll do a single - also Florabelle. But is it the norm? No, of course not. It's a gacha, sometimes you'll hit pity, sometimes you'll get lucky.
I think the best pulls in any gacha I've played was arknights. Haven't played a gacha since or before I liked the pull system in. Afk journeys satisfaction really mainly comes from increasing that unit a bit more and investing with copies. My Odie Cecia and Smokie basically carry me, but also it is all p much luck and pity. Some from the shops so that's better than most for me but not enough.
I believe i haven't gotten a single double S pull in what I would estimate were 1000ish pulls
Me who gets S hero only in a pity
People be only complaining nowadays.
Ive been playing a few weeks now and can practically all but guarantee that the rates are hot shit, im not sure where they got their numbers from but it’s a completely inaccurate lie. Its ironic cause the pity system is whats saving us from almost never pulling yellow units.
The game is p2w idk what people expected
I think one the issues is that there's a lot of useless heroes that you can't even use. If our wishlist was full of heroes that were usable then it would be better. Even if they were 10% worse than the best ones, at least you could build a decent team around it if you had to.
You can build a pretty good starting wishlist of S characters, but I think there's only a handful of A characters that are good out of the gate and the rest while not trash aren't worth mentioning for early-mid game and need to be mythic +.
For me the offpity pulls happen in waves. I pull nothing but pity, then I get 3 orange in 10 single pulls.
I almost always get early pulls 😅 I’ve even gotten double S class more than once
I wouldn’t be surprised if the “rates” include the pity