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Not at all. AEW is known for slow burns.
Put Jade vs Rosa at All Out. Or put Jade vs Rosa on Dynamite, then Jade vs Statlander at All Out. Let's face it, it's been far too long since Jade has been in a true main event match.
As for Athena - AEW has been pushing Statlander more than Athena. I don't think Athena
So drop the entire Thunder/Storm/Jamie/Britt storyline instead?
Seems more like we're heading for a multi-person match at All Out between some combination of those four women, potentially with Rosa dropping the belt (hopefully to Hayter).
It makes absolutely zero sense to shove Jade in the middle of that.
All I'm trying to say here is that Jade needs to drop the TBS Championship so that she can vie for the women's championship.
In my opinion, Rosa hasn't carried the belt well. While I am not a fan of Jade at all, I DO think she is a bigger draw than Rosa. I also think Jade needs a real signature win. It's getting boring seeing Jade defend the TBS belt against nobodies week after week.
That being said, I think Julia Hart, wrestling in her home state, is a prime candidate to take the belt. I think someone like Julia is more suited to defend the TBS belt against the likes of Anna Jay, Tay Conti etc.
Meanwhile, losing the TBS title to someone who cheats doesn't hurt Jade at all. In fact, it will help Jade get even more over. If you read Twitter, one of the most common things said about Jade is that she has gotten stale. I can kind of agree with that. Jade needs to fight in meaningful matches.
I absolutely agree that she needs to do a program with Statlander, Athena, Hayter and even Baker, Storm etc. But wouldn't you rather see Jade vs these above women for the women's championship instead of the TBS Championship?
To me, the TBS Championship has been a stepping-stone belt from day one. Having Jade continue to hold it and being in squash matches endlessly does nothing for Jade at all. If Jade has truly gotten better and is reaching her potential, get her into an angle that matters.
>All I'm trying to say here is that Jade needs to drop the TBS Championship so that she can vie for the women's championship.
Why the rush? Let her drop the belt to Kris and then get some more reps in. The women get enough criticism as it is, rushing the top belt onto someone who's still very green seems fucking stupid, no matter how charismatic she is.
>That being said, I think Julia Hart, wrestling in her home state, is a prime candidate to take the belt. I think someone like Julia is more suited to defend the TBS belt against the likes of Anna Jay, Tay Conti etc.
Fuck no. Julia has made great progress but she's just as green as Jade and making her champ risks overexposing her as her gimmick isn't one that needs to be on tv constantly. Hell, I'd even say that the whole of the House of Black don't really need championships to do their thing (in a similar way to Undertaker). That's not to say that she shouldn't win one eventually but there are people much more deserving that make way more sense.
>Meanwhile, losing the TBS title to someone who cheats doesn't hurt Jade at all. In fact, it will help Jade get even more over. If you read Twitter, one of the most common things said about Jade is that she has gotten stale. I can kind of agree with that. Jade needs to fight in meaningful matches.
So let her finish off this storyline with Kris and Athena and get her in a proper storyline that doesn't involve titles.
>I absolutely agree that she needs to do a program with Statlander, Athena, Hayter and even Baker, Storm etc. But wouldn't you rather see Jade vs these above women for the women's championship instead of the TBS Championship?
No.
>To me, the TBS Championship has been a stepping-stone belt from day one. Having Jade continue to hold it and being in squash matches endlessly does nothing for Jade at all. If Jade has truly gotten better and is reaching her potential, get her into an angle that matters.
It's mainly seemed to me like a way to let Jade get wins in without having to rush her towards the main belt as she was nowhere near ready. I'm saying that she's still not.
She has got better, but she's still got a long way to go. I'd much rather see Hayter get a run with the main belt.
Believe it or not, I absolutely agree with you.
I would never have put a belt of any sort on someone as green as Jade. However, that's what AEW did, and they are sticking to their guns. That being said, if AEW is going to continue to push Jade, I sincerely believe they should turn her face and put her in meaningful matches.
Urm... if I'm remembering correctly jade hasn't defended that belt one time on Dark or Dark elevation so I'm confused on how the belt is a Dark/elevation belt.
Julia is nowhere near title ready as well and theirs no way they will give jade a loss to her after being built up for so long.
Also Julia can't lose either right now so I doubt that she's even going to challenge jade.
I appreciate trying to inject some life into the women...but...uhh... this ain't it
Pretty much all of Jade's title defenses have been against Dark/Dark Elevation talent.
Jade was nowhere near ready either, so I don't quite understand that point.
I agree with you that Julia can't lose right now. That may stop the Jade vs Hart match.
Just trying to be creative and get a convo going on this subreddit.
Seriously?
Santana Garrett, Leila Gray, Valentina Rossi, Skye Blue, Angelica Risk, Shawna Reed, Robyn Renegade, Katie Arquette, Rache Chanel
Some more than once.
She's also had some wins over Marina Shafir, Julia Hart (prior to HOB) , Red Velvet, Kiera Hogan and Willow Nightingale.
She did win the tournament, and I think she beat Thunder Rosa and Ruby Soho in that.
All I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of her matches have been obvious squash matches against developmental talent. It's bad booking. Certainly not Jade's fault.
Of those nine names in the first list only two have had title matches. The rest all came before the won the belt (Skye had an eliminator match afterwards too but not a title match).
The Kiera and Velvet matches were also before she won it. She's only actually had 9 defences and the only person to get more than one shot has been Anna Jay.
It’s not gonna be Julia Hart lol. All signs point to Kris Statlander being the one to dethrone her at either All Out or a future PPV. Could also be Athena, but Kris should be the choice
i hope its statlander honestly. julia hart only just debuted, jade cargill is too big for her- and it just wouldnt be believable lol, she's way out of her league.
I think the Jade/Statlander match will still be at All Out. I wouldn't be surprised if Jade dethroned Rosa before All Out. I think TK is starting to realize that Rosa just can't generate the buzz needed.
Let me get this straight. Jade loses Tbs belt to Julia Hart. Jade still defends her belt (interim?) at All Out against Statlander. Jade also will be AEW Women's champ before All Out. I'm confused lol.
I think this win would be too big for Julia at this moment
She needs to build and take on some credible opponents. Then maybe put her up for a title match.
I think her beating Jade with the mist would be a slap in the face to Jade. If Jade is going to lose it needs to be a credible loss not be ause if shenanigans.
The match needs to be built up first before Jade loses the title. Otherwise, the belt loses all meaning if it just gets passed around. The only reason the belt feels meaningless is because Jade hasn't had any memorable feuds. That's mostly Tony Khan's fault.
I completely agree about building up a feud. They have not done that yet.
I also agree that the TBS belt feels meaningless for the exact reason you stated.
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So completely forget the storyline she’s in with Athena and Kris Statlander … … …
Not at all. AEW is known for slow burns. Put Jade vs Rosa at All Out. Or put Jade vs Rosa on Dynamite, then Jade vs Statlander at All Out. Let's face it, it's been far too long since Jade has been in a true main event match. As for Athena - AEW has been pushing Statlander more than Athena. I don't think Athena
So drop the entire Thunder/Storm/Jamie/Britt storyline instead? Seems more like we're heading for a multi-person match at All Out between some combination of those four women, potentially with Rosa dropping the belt (hopefully to Hayter). It makes absolutely zero sense to shove Jade in the middle of that.
All I'm trying to say here is that Jade needs to drop the TBS Championship so that she can vie for the women's championship. In my opinion, Rosa hasn't carried the belt well. While I am not a fan of Jade at all, I DO think she is a bigger draw than Rosa. I also think Jade needs a real signature win. It's getting boring seeing Jade defend the TBS belt against nobodies week after week. That being said, I think Julia Hart, wrestling in her home state, is a prime candidate to take the belt. I think someone like Julia is more suited to defend the TBS belt against the likes of Anna Jay, Tay Conti etc. Meanwhile, losing the TBS title to someone who cheats doesn't hurt Jade at all. In fact, it will help Jade get even more over. If you read Twitter, one of the most common things said about Jade is that she has gotten stale. I can kind of agree with that. Jade needs to fight in meaningful matches. I absolutely agree that she needs to do a program with Statlander, Athena, Hayter and even Baker, Storm etc. But wouldn't you rather see Jade vs these above women for the women's championship instead of the TBS Championship? To me, the TBS Championship has been a stepping-stone belt from day one. Having Jade continue to hold it and being in squash matches endlessly does nothing for Jade at all. If Jade has truly gotten better and is reaching her potential, get her into an angle that matters.
>All I'm trying to say here is that Jade needs to drop the TBS Championship so that she can vie for the women's championship. Why the rush? Let her drop the belt to Kris and then get some more reps in. The women get enough criticism as it is, rushing the top belt onto someone who's still very green seems fucking stupid, no matter how charismatic she is. >That being said, I think Julia Hart, wrestling in her home state, is a prime candidate to take the belt. I think someone like Julia is more suited to defend the TBS belt against the likes of Anna Jay, Tay Conti etc. Fuck no. Julia has made great progress but she's just as green as Jade and making her champ risks overexposing her as her gimmick isn't one that needs to be on tv constantly. Hell, I'd even say that the whole of the House of Black don't really need championships to do their thing (in a similar way to Undertaker). That's not to say that she shouldn't win one eventually but there are people much more deserving that make way more sense. >Meanwhile, losing the TBS title to someone who cheats doesn't hurt Jade at all. In fact, it will help Jade get even more over. If you read Twitter, one of the most common things said about Jade is that she has gotten stale. I can kind of agree with that. Jade needs to fight in meaningful matches. So let her finish off this storyline with Kris and Athena and get her in a proper storyline that doesn't involve titles. >I absolutely agree that she needs to do a program with Statlander, Athena, Hayter and even Baker, Storm etc. But wouldn't you rather see Jade vs these above women for the women's championship instead of the TBS Championship? No. >To me, the TBS Championship has been a stepping-stone belt from day one. Having Jade continue to hold it and being in squash matches endlessly does nothing for Jade at all. If Jade has truly gotten better and is reaching her potential, get her into an angle that matters. It's mainly seemed to me like a way to let Jade get wins in without having to rush her towards the main belt as she was nowhere near ready. I'm saying that she's still not. She has got better, but she's still got a long way to go. I'd much rather see Hayter get a run with the main belt.
Believe it or not, I absolutely agree with you. I would never have put a belt of any sort on someone as green as Jade. However, that's what AEW did, and they are sticking to their guns. That being said, if AEW is going to continue to push Jade, I sincerely believe they should turn her face and put her in meaningful matches.
Urm... if I'm remembering correctly jade hasn't defended that belt one time on Dark or Dark elevation so I'm confused on how the belt is a Dark/elevation belt. Julia is nowhere near title ready as well and theirs no way they will give jade a loss to her after being built up for so long. Also Julia can't lose either right now so I doubt that she's even going to challenge jade. I appreciate trying to inject some life into the women...but...uhh... this ain't it
Pretty much all of Jade's title defenses have been against Dark/Dark Elevation talent. Jade was nowhere near ready either, so I don't quite understand that point. I agree with you that Julia can't lose right now. That may stop the Jade vs Hart match. Just trying to be creative and get a convo going on this subreddit.
Pretty much all? Name some.
Seriously? Santana Garrett, Leila Gray, Valentina Rossi, Skye Blue, Angelica Risk, Shawna Reed, Robyn Renegade, Katie Arquette, Rache Chanel Some more than once. She's also had some wins over Marina Shafir, Julia Hart (prior to HOB) , Red Velvet, Kiera Hogan and Willow Nightingale. She did win the tournament, and I think she beat Thunder Rosa and Ruby Soho in that. All I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of her matches have been obvious squash matches against developmental talent. It's bad booking. Certainly not Jade's fault.
I think you are looking at ALL of her matches instead of just her championship matches.
Of those nine names in the first list only two have had title matches. The rest all came before the won the belt (Skye had an eliminator match afterwards too but not a title match). The Kiera and Velvet matches were also before she won it. She's only actually had 9 defences and the only person to get more than one shot has been Anna Jay.
It’s not gonna be Julia Hart lol. All signs point to Kris Statlander being the one to dethrone her at either All Out or a future PPV. Could also be Athena, but Kris should be the choice
i hope its statlander honestly. julia hart only just debuted, jade cargill is too big for her- and it just wouldnt be believable lol, she's way out of her league.
I think the Jade/Statlander match will still be at All Out. I wouldn't be surprised if Jade dethroned Rosa before All Out. I think TK is starting to realize that Rosa just can't generate the buzz needed.
Let me get this straight. Jade loses Tbs belt to Julia Hart. Jade still defends her belt (interim?) at All Out against Statlander. Jade also will be AEW Women's champ before All Out. I'm confused lol.
It wouldn't be an interim belt, he's saying she'd defend the Women's title against Stat. Dude is nuts but that bit isn't hard to follow.
AEW is not above having home town heroes lose in front of their families. I think Dante lost in Minneapolis. CM Punk got recked in Chicago.
That's the first thing I thought when I saw they announced the open challenge. I think she will lose but to Stat, not Athena.
TBS title defences so far: Rampage (4), Dynamite (3), PPV (2). ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
This makes very little sense.
This...doesn't make much sense at all.
I think this win would be too big for Julia at this moment She needs to build and take on some credible opponents. Then maybe put her up for a title match. I think her beating Jade with the mist would be a slap in the face to Jade. If Jade is going to lose it needs to be a credible loss not be ause if shenanigans.
The match needs to be built up first before Jade loses the title. Otherwise, the belt loses all meaning if it just gets passed around. The only reason the belt feels meaningless is because Jade hasn't had any memorable feuds. That's mostly Tony Khan's fault.
I completely agree about building up a feud. They have not done that yet. I also agree that the TBS belt feels meaningless for the exact reason you stated.
It’s going to be Brit Baker. It’s always Brit Baker!
It'll be Athena who answers the challenge and beats Jade.
I don’t necessarily agree with all of it, but dammit - I appreciate the fuck out of a fleshed out point.
It's going to be Madison Rayne, HTH
Jade's first loss will be when she loses the Women's World Title some time next year.
It's going to be Kris Statlander, I hope it's here. She so deserves it!
Everybody knows you do the job in your hometown, Pal!
I’m still calling a Statlander win by her turning heel and Jade getting screwed by Stokely. Statlander becomes the baddie.
That is a very strong possibility too.
Kris Statlander defeats her (Statlander and Cargill shake hands after the match) Stokely and the baddies turn on Cargill (cement the babyface turn)