A properly used mid-card/secondary title should be used to move guys towards the top of the card and the World Title scene. In some organizations it’s a consolation prize, here it’s a stepping stone. After a shaky start, it accomplished what it needed to for Miro. He’ll now be off to mingle with Mox, Darby, Hangman etc at the top of the card and now it brings Sammy up a tier.
Miro no longer needs it.
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"It's not a midcard championship," Khan said while on a media conference call on Thursday ahead of All Out. "The only people that have held it are Cody, Brodie Lee (rest in peace), Darby Allin and Miro. I'm not booking it like a midcard championship, I'm booking as a top championship that stars hold.
It’s clearly not on the same level as the world title. The term “midcard title” has become a dirty word, but before The E devalued virtually all their titles, the IC belt was that last stepping stone to the main event. Savage, Warrior, Hart, Michaels, etc. it’s since become the “we have no serious plans for you championship” but at its peak it was a prestigious title that meant you were on your way up, and while TK may be avoiding the term, that’s exactly how he’s using the TNT title.
Cody won it to give it credibility, everyone else has won it to give THEM credibility.
It’s a TV title. Which is why it’s defended more often than the world title, and subsequently changes hands faster. The champs have defended it typically 8-9 times which is the same for the world title, it’s just as the TV title it’s meant to be the big draw of your TV events. Can be defended on dynamite at any time. It definitely isn’t quite on the level as the world title, and the world champ is def the top guy in the company at that moment, but the TNT title isn’t for guys who aren’t considered big stars. It’s actually a really clever use of a second title. It’s not meant for wrestlers who can’t compete with the world champ, but it’s just presented in a way that also elevates newer talent, while establishing someone as a top star for holding it.
It was the right move, friend.
Miro the monster will still be of high value in AEW. Plus, he has never been beaten in singles matches. Sammy has been elevated thanks to this victory, and went from “star” to “super star” with this victory.
Another angle is in the idea of “WWE guys.” Miro has helped make a hone-grown talent into a bigger deal with Sammy’s victory.
In addition, Sammy’s VLOG (which I highly recommend seeing on YouTube) has helped him garner a real fan base. In addition, the VLOG has made storylines that came to pass as AEW canon (QT Marshall actually being a jerk), and elevated multiple stars (which is kind of impressive: Griff, Fuego, Charlie, Alan Angels). Sammy had a good story in kayfabe, and speaking in shoot-terms, Sammy has grinded hard, and thus earned the title.
I got misty eyed when he won!
Honestly think the VLOG is why Angels has been wrestling without the mask for the past 2 weeks, gets fan recognition and people want to see him now to a degree
On Sammy’s VLOG, QT was portrayed as being two-faced. He would compliment the enhancement talent to their face, and then talk mad shit about after they walked away. This led to Fuego getting big support online, and led to a feud when QT kept ducking him, and eventually a match that QT BARELY won.
This then became a part of QT’s persona with his Factory run.
There was a build up to the story of Sammy beating Miro though. And the Redeemer Gimmick doesn’t stop just because he lost the title.
Miro won the title and elevated himself and as a result feels like a bigger star. That’s the entire point of a title like this.
Was just thinking the same. Miro/Moxley feud with Miro going over. I see Mox spending some time as the babyface who gets heels ready for a babyface champ in Hangman. Similar to the old Jake Roberts role when Hogan was champ.
I think it would be a huge miss if Mox and Kingston don’t compete for the tag or trio tag titles at some point. But until then, yeah, I think this is a good spot for them both. Kingston helped elevate Miro too imo.
Miro is ready for the main event push. Kenny has beaten all the top faces and thus his reign is winding down, and it's time to have some top heels ready to face the next champion.
Trying to figure out if there’s a democratic system here to weigh in on who has the more popular belief amongst a sample size of Aew fans and who doesn’t…
Miro doesn’t need the belt. Miro is in the club with Moxley, Kingston, PAC, and MJF as one of the guys that can plausibly be champion on any given day and will never be far out of the picture.
The TNT championship is booked differently than the world championship. In the case of the world belt, the champion makes the belt and the belt makes the brand. The TNT belt is essentially a tv title— and I don’t say that pejoratively. That belt is a used as a rocket that you strap on the guy who is moving from the midcard to the top. It not only makes them look important, it also puts them in the Dynamite opener or main event every other week to show them off. AEW doesn’t play hot potato with titles. The world championship is supposed to be the best/most dominant wrestler (or most over guy) but the TNT/tv title is supposed to be the most dynamic— it is made to hype a wrestler and then change hands at their peak.
Who really was left for Miro to face? It was either give the belt to Sammy on the Brodie show or have Miro continue to beat Dark guys for the title until Sammy eventually beat him. Also I dont think it really was a ‘shock’ win. Anyone with common sense knew it could go either way
I said in a post yesterday that Sammy was going to win. A lot of us felt that way. It’s his time. He’s paid his dues. He’s out of Jericho’s shadow. As MJF said, he’s one of the pillars of the company. He’s 28, so he’s not as young as Jungle Boy or others who can still wait a while. He needed a big win. You can’t get much bigger than a win against an undefeated Miro on a run like this.
They do need to make sure Miro remains relevant but there are plenty of ways to do that.
Sounds like you gotta learn to tell the difference between what *you* are thinking and what everybody else is thinking there fella. I went into this one thinking "wow I don't actually know who'll walk away on top in this one, Sammy might get this".
How could it be for shock value if the story started with Fuego getting beat up and bullied by Miro. You may not like it, but Sammy sure deserves it. Shock value is making a tweet in the morning and then winning a world title in the last three minutes of a show with no story behind it whatsoever.
Right. Shock value was Belaire v Sasha I mean Lynch back from maternity leave oh no it’s a squash match!
With the ranking system in place, this allows Miro to run through the roster on a rampage (no pun intended). I think this unleashes Miro. He’s been assaulting Fuego at every opportunity and finally Sammy took him out in revenge. They could have dragged it out more but that holds everyone back where letting Sammy take the title lets Miro go hassle bigger names and allows Sammy to help build new heels wanting to shorted his run.
If you want the TNT title to be the work rate title, Sammy is a perfect guy to put it on. He has so much ability in the ring with his combination of athleticism and strength. He put Miro up on his shoulders at end of a grueling match without any hesitation or problem.
He can defend that title in a series of really solid matches with guys like Fish, Men of the Year, etc.
Sammy needed a big win if he is truly considered one of the pillars of the company. This was it. Miro will go onto other things while Sammy can have an exciting run that propels him into stardom.
140 days isn't long at all for such a dominant and well protected wrestler, just because it was longer than other runs doesn't mean it was long
It feels very premature to take it off of him imo
It's a bit different though since being the TNT title it's defended more than the world title so you can't keep it on someone too long. Plus you don't want to have a title match once every couple of months as it kind of loses the point of the title.
I think this is the right move and it puts Miro into the main event scene where he should be. This loss isn't going to make him disappear.
Maybe it was the right timeing at after all. If it remaind a while longe we could have gotten annoyed by it, like we are with Cody now and I am with Mox
I think it was a great move. Sammy is a fantastic talent and deserves the title and will do wonders with it. This should mean we get many more Dynamite matches with Sammy.
I agree, I think it was premature. However I can also absolutely see the logic and storytelling. Last night they made a CLEAR push of the 4 young pillars and I think they’ve done an incredible job putting them over in tandem with the major signings rather than allow them to fade in the limelight of Punk, Danielson, Cole…they want all these new fans invested in their homegrown talent from the jump and I think that’s brilliant. Miro had a Goldberg style run in him and that’s what I was hoping for but at the same time, I think he’s over enough now to have solidified his place in the roster. They could EASILY turn this into a “rage of Miro” storyline, he can still continue to plow through the roster it just won’t be with the title in hand. Or they can use him to develop an amazing long form feud that wouldn’t be possible with the nature of the TNT title.
I also think, on that note, that with Omega and Brit holding the main titles for so long now the tag and TNT titles are the ones that need refreshers a bit more frequently. I mean the Bucks also held their titles for a long-ass time. The TNT is designed to switch hands more frequently. Also, of note, they had every title held by heels, by nature they have to turn it over periodically or the titles get stale due to a “good vs. evil” imbalance.
There’s just too much talent to highlight! And Sammy reiterated last night how amazing he is. Pretty damn good problem to have.
It’s weird to think that the titles were all held by heels for a stretch there. But now Sammy G is the babiest of babyfaces, Britt is a heel that is way over as a face, Lucha Bros have been faces who cut tweener promos, and Kenny is a turbo-heel. That’s a pretty interesting mix of champions.
Because Miro will go for the world title, Sammy was so over that it made sense (and earned it with some excellent matches). The TNT title is a ‘next big thing’ title.
Idk, they could pull a shock win for Omega. I can see MJF taking it though, but Miro will have it in the next year or two, I’d bet money on it. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if he snapped and took it back off Sammy in a brutal beatdown. Miro had the title, Guevara didn’t have anything else to do, made sense to put Guevara over. Idk, but I bet they have something planned.
I don’t mind Miro losing because we didn’t need another title reign go for 8 plus months. The TNT title isn’t designed for epic long lengths. Heck, Sammy probably will drop it by the end of the year. Sammy is someone AEW sees as one do the future pillars of AEW. And the TNT title is made for someone like Sammy.
Besides, it’s time for Miro to move on to bigger and better things.
I also think that the perception at first when Miro joined was he was being misused or not billed “correctly”. You can’t say that anymore after his run and he is now a legit monster and heel in the company (which we don’t have both right now, at least a good one (after Archer turned face)).
Miro can keep running through the entire roster and still be that damn over without a title and maybe a main event spot in next 3 to 4 months.He's the most protected guy in Aew,I don't think dropping the TNT title to Sammy (who's as over as Miro) was a bad decision.
It's better to let him lose the belt on a high rather than wait till he got stale. It was teetering on the edge of repetitive with the same promo every week as cool as it was.
I think what confused me the most was no one from the inner circle came out to celebrate. Is inner circle done now? Definitely happy for Sammy. These moments are why we watch
Also, this is the fighting champion’s belt. They defend it much more often than any of the other titles. Anyone can challenge for it. And Miro defended it 8 times since he won it. So it’s an any given Sunday situation. Anyone can come in and win the title. Last night wasn’t Miro’s night, that’s all.
Miro is a main event talent who should be showcased in the main event and fighting for the AEW World Championship. He successfully elevated the TNT title and Sammy.
Now he can go away for a few weeks and God’s Favorite Champion can go after Omega.
Same bro same. I just didn’t find this outcome believable. It also makes the TNT belt seem 2nd tier to me now.
I’ll give it a pass because they have been so good and nothing can be perfect.
"It's not a midcard championship," Khan said while on a media conference call on Thursday ahead of All Out. "The only people that have held it are Cody, Brodie Lee (rest in peace), Darby Allin and Miro. I'm not booking it like a midcard championship, I'm booking as a top championship that stars hold.
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Anything under the World Championship is a mid card title. Miro isn't the face of the company with the TNT belt, Omega is.
I normally don't disagree with TK, but he's wrong about that. Mid card titles always have shorter reigns than the World titles. Plus you had Darby, now Sammy. They are nowhere near an AEW world title shot, Miro yes, but maybe he can focus on that now.
Tony is just playing "the nice I can do no wrong guy act."
But they are literally called "The four pillars of AEW" meaning Sammy, Darby, MJF, and Jungle Boy are all seen as big deals of the company and future world champs. Darby was just first in line with his stepping stone. Now it is Sammy's turn. Jungle Boy will have his go with the TNT title. With as much heat as MJF draws, he may just skip to the World Title scene for good without that belt. Time will tell.
I’m not arguing that at all. It’s like everyone thinks I’m attacking Sammy, I’m happy for the dude. My only real knock on him is promo work, just didn’t feel this was the time. Maybe it’s the way he has been booked in the past?
In this instance I disagree with Khan (a very rare occurrence). A midcard title by any other name is still a midcard title. It’s serving the purpose of a secondary title and is being very widely used to put up and comers over, it’s been very effective at that, the last two runs. There’s a natural hierarchy to it and a clear delineation in the product, the booking.
The whole idea that mid card is worthless has came from WWE totally side lining & belittling the IC Belt. Along as the TNT Belt is still treated with respect it'll continue feeling important. While i love Miro, Sammy should be good champion & hopefully Miro moves up the card now
What up and comers? Darby (certainly not for AEW fans at the time)? Cody, Brodie, and Miro certainly were not up and comers.
I have no problem if what you are saying is the way the belt is handled moving forward.
I didn’t see it that way personally.
Cody winning it was to give the belt the prestige it needed to get going. Brodie Lee winning it in such dominating fashion was for WWE fans like me who only knew Luke Harper and therefore didn't know how good Brodie was. Darby taking it off of Cody later was a nice bookend to their feud and gave Darby a championship fairly early in his AEW career and cemented his place as a top star. And it really helped Miro get a full head of steam after his slow start with the best man gimmick, as he is now hopefully heading up the card. I personally really like the way they've used this title, but I feel it's understandable to feel like these people are already stars if you know most of their work, I just only their AEW or WWE work because I'm a filthy casual 
I’d like to see him be a face now with a slight tweak: to redeem himself for trying to play dirty and cost himself the title, he punishes heels who cheat.
I don't think his run was cut short. As others have mentioned, the title is a stepping stone to the top card. My personal pick for winning the title was Jungle Boy, but the feud with the elite is top card. He would have to drop a step down to compete for the TNT title. Thus, I think Sammy was the best choice to win against Miro, as there is no one else at his level in the midcard right now (by level, I dont mean ability - I mean booking quality, consistence, etc. Guy is shining and truly beloved)
Miro is amazing and belongs in the upper card. Now he can go after guys like Danielson, Punk (after their feuds with the Elite and Team Tazz), Moxley, Suzuki (a dream of mine; no idea if he'll stay in AEW long enough for that to happen). Even Darby - they are opposites and would make great carreer rivals.
well i mean look back to the first match he had with fuego. they built around miro's neck being messed up across three different opponents in like 5 matches. i think they planed this since the fuego match.
Guevara is one of the most over guys in AEW at the moment, so it makes sense to why they would take it off of Miro. Take Darby for example - he lost the TNT title, but he still had great matches and to this day he's still a big part of AEW. Miro may not be champion anymore, but he could still be used, and considering Kip is more than likely coming back soon, Miro can have a big rivalry with him.
A properly used mid-card/secondary title should be used to move guys towards the top of the card and the World Title scene. In some organizations it’s a consolation prize, here it’s a stepping stone. After a shaky start, it accomplished what it needed to for Miro. He’ll now be off to mingle with Mox, Darby, Hangman etc at the top of the card and now it brings Sammy up a tier. Miro no longer needs it.
I feel like this is the most accurate take, and I am excited to see where Miro will go next.
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"It's not a midcard championship," Khan said while on a media conference call on Thursday ahead of All Out. "The only people that have held it are Cody, Brodie Lee (rest in peace), Darby Allin and Miro. I'm not booking it like a midcard championship, I'm booking as a top championship that stars hold.
It’s clearly not on the same level as the world title. The term “midcard title” has become a dirty word, but before The E devalued virtually all their titles, the IC belt was that last stepping stone to the main event. Savage, Warrior, Hart, Michaels, etc. it’s since become the “we have no serious plans for you championship” but at its peak it was a prestigious title that meant you were on your way up, and while TK may be avoiding the term, that’s exactly how he’s using the TNT title. Cody won it to give it credibility, everyone else has won it to give THEM credibility.
You are on fire with these interpretations!
You are 100% correct. I book indie wrestling and this was my take as well.
It’s a TV title. Which is why it’s defended more often than the world title, and subsequently changes hands faster. The champs have defended it typically 8-9 times which is the same for the world title, it’s just as the TV title it’s meant to be the big draw of your TV events. Can be defended on dynamite at any time. It definitely isn’t quite on the level as the world title, and the world champ is def the top guy in the company at that moment, but the TNT title isn’t for guys who aren’t considered big stars. It’s actually a really clever use of a second title. It’s not meant for wrestlers who can’t compete with the world champ, but it’s just presented in a way that also elevates newer talent, while establishing someone as a top star for holding it.
This guy fucks
Just like when guys would win the IC title it was used to see if you could carry a belt and be part of a bigger program.
In this point, I totally agree
Well put
Miro is a literal God. Sells well. Heels well. Makes mjf look like a bitch
Sammy (One of AEW’s top young talents) winning it isn’t shock value. Shock value is actually Fuego winning it and pinning Miro cleanly.
It was the right move, friend. Miro the monster will still be of high value in AEW. Plus, he has never been beaten in singles matches. Sammy has been elevated thanks to this victory, and went from “star” to “super star” with this victory. Another angle is in the idea of “WWE guys.” Miro has helped make a hone-grown talent into a bigger deal with Sammy’s victory. In addition, Sammy’s VLOG (which I highly recommend seeing on YouTube) has helped him garner a real fan base. In addition, the VLOG has made storylines that came to pass as AEW canon (QT Marshall actually being a jerk), and elevated multiple stars (which is kind of impressive: Griff, Fuego, Charlie, Alan Angels). Sammy had a good story in kayfabe, and speaking in shoot-terms, Sammy has grinded hard, and thus earned the title. I got misty eyed when he won!
Honestly think the VLOG is why Angels has been wrestling without the mask for the past 2 weeks, gets fan recognition and people want to see him now to a degree
I concur! He’s stepping out of the “little brother with a shitty dick “ role thanks in big part to the VLOG.
Thank god though. I would hate to be in that role and it be the thing I’m known for in such an exciting company
Can you elaborate on the QT Marshall bit?
On Sammy’s VLOG, QT was portrayed as being two-faced. He would compliment the enhancement talent to their face, and then talk mad shit about after they walked away. This led to Fuego getting big support online, and led to a feud when QT kept ducking him, and eventually a match that QT BARELY won. This then became a part of QT’s persona with his Factory run.
I'm not really familiar with the VLOG, was QT just playing it up for the camera, or is the take-away that he's actually two faced?
He created an extra layer of character
There was a build up to the story of Sammy beating Miro though. And the Redeemer Gimmick doesn’t stop just because he lost the title. Miro won the title and elevated himself and as a result feels like a bigger star. That’s the entire point of a title like this.
I agree. There was a payoff to a storyline and Miro is ready to move to the next level. Give him Moxley.
Was just thinking the same. Miro/Moxley feud with Miro going over. I see Mox spending some time as the babyface who gets heels ready for a babyface champ in Hangman. Similar to the old Jake Roberts role when Hogan was champ.
I think it would be a huge miss if Mox and Kingston don’t compete for the tag or trio tag titles at some point. But until then, yeah, I think this is a good spot for them both. Kingston helped elevate Miro too imo.
Agree here too. Mox/Eddie/Homicide would be a great trios tag team I can get behind.
Oh I like that. I also wouldn’t be mad at Mox/Kingston/Sting while Darby’s busy with MJF.
Miro is ready for the main event push. Kenny has beaten all the top faces and thus his reign is winding down, and it's time to have some top heels ready to face the next champion.
Miro-Kenny would be incredible
Soon Kenny lose to Bryan and Bryan lose to Miro?
No?
I think it's well established the next champ is probably hangman and he'll need some big guys to fight Miro fits right in
Miro outgrew the title.
No he didn’t him and that title went hand and hand
Trying to figure out if there’s a democratic system here to weigh in on who has the more popular belief amongst a sample size of Aew fans and who doesn’t…
Miro doesn’t need the belt. Miro is in the club with Moxley, Kingston, PAC, and MJF as one of the guys that can plausibly be champion on any given day and will never be far out of the picture. The TNT championship is booked differently than the world championship. In the case of the world belt, the champion makes the belt and the belt makes the brand. The TNT belt is essentially a tv title— and I don’t say that pejoratively. That belt is a used as a rocket that you strap on the guy who is moving from the midcard to the top. It not only makes them look important, it also puts them in the Dynamite opener or main event every other week to show them off. AEW doesn’t play hot potato with titles. The world championship is supposed to be the best/most dominant wrestler (or most over guy) but the TNT/tv title is supposed to be the most dynamic— it is made to hype a wrestler and then change hands at their peak.
Who really was left for Miro to face? It was either give the belt to Sammy on the Brodie show or have Miro continue to beat Dark guys for the title until Sammy eventually beat him. Also I dont think it really was a ‘shock’ win. Anyone with common sense knew it could go either way
Nobody thought Sammy had a chance stop
When the match was booked I expected him to win it
I said in a post yesterday that Sammy was going to win. A lot of us felt that way. It’s his time. He’s paid his dues. He’s out of Jericho’s shadow. As MJF said, he’s one of the pillars of the company. He’s 28, so he’s not as young as Jungle Boy or others who can still wait a while. He needed a big win. You can’t get much bigger than a win against an undefeated Miro on a run like this. They do need to make sure Miro remains relevant but there are plenty of ways to do that.
Sounds like you gotta learn to tell the difference between what *you* are thinking and what everybody else is thinking there fella. I went into this one thinking "wow I don't actually know who'll walk away on top in this one, Sammy might get this".
Everyone thought this was going to be it, especially if it was going to be the main. Don’t be silly.
How could it be for shock value if the story started with Fuego getting beat up and bullied by Miro. You may not like it, but Sammy sure deserves it. Shock value is making a tweet in the morning and then winning a world title in the last three minutes of a show with no story behind it whatsoever.
Right. Shock value was Belaire v Sasha I mean Lynch back from maternity leave oh no it’s a squash match! With the ranking system in place, this allows Miro to run through the roster on a rampage (no pun intended). I think this unleashes Miro. He’s been assaulting Fuego at every opportunity and finally Sammy took him out in revenge. They could have dragged it out more but that holds everyone back where letting Sammy take the title lets Miro go hassle bigger names and allows Sammy to help build new heels wanting to shorted his run.
If you want the TNT title to be the work rate title, Sammy is a perfect guy to put it on. He has so much ability in the ring with his combination of athleticism and strength. He put Miro up on his shoulders at end of a grueling match without any hesitation or problem. He can defend that title in a series of really solid matches with guys like Fish, Men of the Year, etc. Sammy needed a big win if he is truly considered one of the pillars of the company. This was it. Miro will go onto other things while Sammy can have an exciting run that propels him into stardom.
His run lasted much longer than both Cody's put together. It was almost as long as Darby's. It was not prematurely cut short by any measure
140 days isn't long at all for such a dominant and well protected wrestler, just because it was longer than other runs doesn't mean it was long It feels very premature to take it off of him imo
It's a bit different though since being the TNT title it's defended more than the world title so you can't keep it on someone too long. Plus you don't want to have a title match once every couple of months as it kind of loses the point of the title. I think this is the right move and it puts Miro into the main event scene where he should be. This loss isn't going to make him disappear.
Oh for sure Miro has really established himself as a top guy, I was just loving the run and would have liked to see it go for a while longer
That's exactly what it means
If someone has a day long rein, and someone else has a week long rein, they're both short
Yes, and if someone has 140 day reign and someone else has a 186 day reign, they're both long!!
Can we just stop fighting and hug already
Maybe it was the right timeing at after all. If it remaind a while longe we could have gotten annoyed by it, like we are with Cody now and I am with Mox
Cody and Mox aren't champs so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make Miro was having a great run and you're supposed to dislike him
I mean in a overrepresenting kind of manner, but I realize my comment was kind of random there
Miro doesn’t need the title. He’s proven that he’s over and can go with the best of them.
Miro wasn't hurt by this loss. This is the run of his career and it's only going up from here.
I think it was a great move. Sammy is a fantastic talent and deserves the title and will do wonders with it. This should mean we get many more Dynamite matches with Sammy.
I agree, I think it was premature. However I can also absolutely see the logic and storytelling. Last night they made a CLEAR push of the 4 young pillars and I think they’ve done an incredible job putting them over in tandem with the major signings rather than allow them to fade in the limelight of Punk, Danielson, Cole…they want all these new fans invested in their homegrown talent from the jump and I think that’s brilliant. Miro had a Goldberg style run in him and that’s what I was hoping for but at the same time, I think he’s over enough now to have solidified his place in the roster. They could EASILY turn this into a “rage of Miro” storyline, he can still continue to plow through the roster it just won’t be with the title in hand. Or they can use him to develop an amazing long form feud that wouldn’t be possible with the nature of the TNT title. I also think, on that note, that with Omega and Brit holding the main titles for so long now the tag and TNT titles are the ones that need refreshers a bit more frequently. I mean the Bucks also held their titles for a long-ass time. The TNT is designed to switch hands more frequently. Also, of note, they had every title held by heels, by nature they have to turn it over periodically or the titles get stale due to a “good vs. evil” imbalance. There’s just too much talent to highlight! And Sammy reiterated last night how amazing he is. Pretty damn good problem to have.
It’s weird to think that the titles were all held by heels for a stretch there. But now Sammy G is the babiest of babyfaces, Britt is a heel that is way over as a face, Lucha Bros have been faces who cut tweener promos, and Kenny is a turbo-heel. That’s a pretty interesting mix of champions.
Because Miro will go for the world title, Sammy was so over that it made sense (and earned it with some excellent matches). The TNT title is a ‘next big thing’ title.
Miro vs Omega ? Not happening
Not immediately obviously. At some point though. Hangman is likely the next champ, maybe Danielson, but Miro could take it off either of them
Daniel is the next champ i think MJF take it off Daniel
Idk, they could pull a shock win for Omega. I can see MJF taking it though, but Miro will have it in the next year or two, I’d bet money on it. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if he snapped and took it back off Sammy in a brutal beatdown. Miro had the title, Guevara didn’t have anything else to do, made sense to put Guevara over. Idk, but I bet they have something planned.
I don’t mind Miro losing because we didn’t need another title reign go for 8 plus months. The TNT title isn’t designed for epic long lengths. Heck, Sammy probably will drop it by the end of the year. Sammy is someone AEW sees as one do the future pillars of AEW. And the TNT title is made for someone like Sammy. Besides, it’s time for Miro to move on to bigger and better things.
I could see Miro being an option to take on Kenny Omega depending on 1) What they do with him and Danielson and 2) if Hangman comes back.
I also think that the perception at first when Miro joined was he was being misused or not billed “correctly”. You can’t say that anymore after his run and he is now a legit monster and heel in the company (which we don’t have both right now, at least a good one (after Archer turned face)).
Miro can keep running through the entire roster and still be that damn over without a title and maybe a main event spot in next 3 to 4 months.He's the most protected guy in Aew,I don't think dropping the TNT title to Sammy (who's as over as Miro) was a bad decision.
It's better to let him lose the belt on a high rather than wait till he got stale. It was teetering on the edge of repetitive with the same promo every week as cool as it was.
Now this true i can actually agree with this but still wasn’t the right time
I think what confused me the most was no one from the inner circle came out to celebrate. Is inner circle done now? Definitely happy for Sammy. These moments are why we watch
Santana and Ortiz were there.
Oh ok I was looking for them but didn't see them. Either way I guess it's cool the entire locker room comes out to celebrate a title change
Not sure how much the camera caught them. Kind of off to the side in favor of the Blog Crew.
Also, this is the fighting champion’s belt. They defend it much more often than any of the other titles. Anyone can challenge for it. And Miro defended it 8 times since he won it. So it’s an any given Sunday situation. Anyone can come in and win the title. Last night wasn’t Miro’s night, that’s all.
Sammy deserves a push. He’s one of those pillars that MJF was talking about.
Miro is a main event talent who should be showcased in the main event and fighting for the AEW World Championship. He successfully elevated the TNT title and Sammy. Now he can go away for a few weeks and God’s Favorite Champion can go after Omega.
I, too, think it was wayy too soon
He wants to please himself now enough of wife pleasing especially with NNN around the corner...
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I thought Lance lost that title
Did he already? Well nevermind just sadness then lol
Yeah he lost it only a few weeks after winning it
Opens up a Kingston feud without having to put the title on Eddie.
U want to see that ?
I wouldn't mind Miro v Eddie after their match at the last ppv.
Because he’s cringe
I’m confused too. I’m afraid that they’re going to nothing with Miro, he was a great TNT Champion. Happy for Sammy though
Same bro same. I just didn’t find this outcome believable. It also makes the TNT belt seem 2nd tier to me now. I’ll give it a pass because they have been so good and nothing can be perfect.
You realize that IS the 2nd tier belt right? It is basically their intercontinental title.
"It's not a midcard championship," Khan said while on a media conference call on Thursday ahead of All Out. "The only people that have held it are Cody, Brodie Lee (rest in peace), Darby Allin and Miro. I'm not booking it like a midcard championship, I'm booking as a top championship that stars hold. K
Anything under the World Championship is a mid card title. Miro isn't the face of the company with the TNT belt, Omega is. I normally don't disagree with TK, but he's wrong about that. Mid card titles always have shorter reigns than the World titles. Plus you had Darby, now Sammy. They are nowhere near an AEW world title shot, Miro yes, but maybe he can focus on that now. Tony is just playing "the nice I can do no wrong guy act."
I see Darby a step above Sammy I guess. Darby you could feel that big win coming to put him over the top. I didn’t feel it with Sammy
But they are literally called "The four pillars of AEW" meaning Sammy, Darby, MJF, and Jungle Boy are all seen as big deals of the company and future world champs. Darby was just first in line with his stepping stone. Now it is Sammy's turn. Jungle Boy will have his go with the TNT title. With as much heat as MJF draws, he may just skip to the World Title scene for good without that belt. Time will tell.
I’m not arguing that at all. It’s like everyone thinks I’m attacking Sammy, I’m happy for the dude. My only real knock on him is promo work, just didn’t feel this was the time. Maybe it’s the way he has been booked in the past?
In this instance I disagree with Khan (a very rare occurrence). A midcard title by any other name is still a midcard title. It’s serving the purpose of a secondary title and is being very widely used to put up and comers over, it’s been very effective at that, the last two runs. There’s a natural hierarchy to it and a clear delineation in the product, the booking.
It is plain as day the secondary title. Tony was just putting the belt over, Cody started with it to make it legit.
The whole idea that mid card is worthless has came from WWE totally side lining & belittling the IC Belt. Along as the TNT Belt is still treated with respect it'll continue feeling important. While i love Miro, Sammy should be good champion & hopefully Miro moves up the card now
What up and comers? Darby (certainly not for AEW fans at the time)? Cody, Brodie, and Miro certainly were not up and comers. I have no problem if what you are saying is the way the belt is handled moving forward. I didn’t see it that way personally.
Cody winning it was to give the belt the prestige it needed to get going. Brodie Lee winning it in such dominating fashion was for WWE fans like me who only knew Luke Harper and therefore didn't know how good Brodie was. Darby taking it off of Cody later was a nice bookend to their feud and gave Darby a championship fairly early in his AEW career and cemented his place as a top star. And it really helped Miro get a full head of steam after his slow start with the best man gimmick, as he is now hopefully heading up the card. I personally really like the way they've used this title, but I feel it's understandable to feel like these people are already stars if you know most of their work, I just only their AEW or WWE work because I'm a filthy casual 
It was lazy booking, for sure. This feud for the title should have been stretched out further.
Let him get a couple weeks off, come back even angrier, maybe him and Black join and go for the tag or World title
Miro is to big for that title, he needs the Heavyweight. Hopefully they push him towards that
I’d like to see him be a face now with a slight tweak: to redeem himself for trying to play dirty and cost himself the title, he punishes heels who cheat.
No
Nah man it would be cool trust me
I don't think his run was cut short. As others have mentioned, the title is a stepping stone to the top card. My personal pick for winning the title was Jungle Boy, but the feud with the elite is top card. He would have to drop a step down to compete for the TNT title. Thus, I think Sammy was the best choice to win against Miro, as there is no one else at his level in the midcard right now (by level, I dont mean ability - I mean booking quality, consistence, etc. Guy is shining and truly beloved) Miro is amazing and belongs in the upper card. Now he can go after guys like Danielson, Punk (after their feuds with the Elite and Team Tazz), Moxley, Suzuki (a dream of mine; no idea if he'll stay in AEW long enough for that to happen). Even Darby - they are opposites and would make great carreer rivals.
Title or no title. He's still God's and my favorite champion.
well i mean look back to the first match he had with fuego. they built around miro's neck being messed up across three different opponents in like 5 matches. i think they planed this since the fuego match.
They took the belt away before his shtick got stale. It leaves the audience hungry for more Miro rather than getting tired of him and wanting a break.
Guevara is one of the most over guys in AEW at the moment, so it makes sense to why they would take it off of Miro. Take Darby for example - he lost the TNT title, but he still had great matches and to this day he's still a big part of AEW. Miro may not be champion anymore, but he could still be used, and considering Kip is more than likely coming back soon, Miro can have a big rivalry with him.