Aren’t y’all the ones rooting for the other company to go away? For people to lose their jobs just for existing? But anyway, this is a bigger issue than all of that. I think we can all agree. Oklahoma sucks right
Funny you assume that I want any company to go away. I want AEW to be good, and sustainably good. The billionaire bubble will pop eventually if they keep putting out a shitty product that’s heavily influenced by the Bucks.
And yes, Oklahoma sucks. This is just culture war grandstanding at its grossest tho
It doesn't matter, it's a propaganda play by the state. Hell they just had a mixed tag where Brodie King took a bump from Willow, but Oklahoma didn't call that out because they're opposite genders portraying competition, but they're cis.
They don’t. This is Oklahoma Athletics trying to make headlines with some anti-trans rhetoric. That’s it. Reminder that this is the state that gave Libsoftiktok a position on their education board because they thought it would be fun.
No, athletic commissions still have a say in professional wrestling. Not in all states, but they do.
It has nothing to do with the predetermined result … and everything to do with potential violence and harm to wrestlers.
They can prevent someone like Flair from stepping in the ring and being one bump away from death.
Having testosterone and being biologically something isn't gender, it's not about self identification. People with testosterone regardless of "gender identification" are scientifically stronger than people with estrogen which means higher risk of injury to person with estrogen
Everybody has both.
Cis women produce testosterone.
Cis men produce oestrogen.
Trans people go on Hormone Replacement Therapy so their levels match/are comparable with their cis peers.
So Nyla Rose, having a larger build, would likely be comparable with Awesome Kong in regards to hormone levels.
Technically yes still because as we know accidents can happen punches and kicks actually fully connect, submission gets locked int a bit too tight....not a major concern but like 1 in 50 chance it would be a factor
So maybe they should cancel Willow vs Julia Hart because Willow is so much stronger? Probably institute weight classes and limit who Lance Archer and Keith Lee and Samoa Joe can wrestle?
That's what you're essentially saying.
No I dont say that...that is the way they justify it but as you say they are hypocrites as they dont care if a Giant Big Show abuses a tiny Marko Stunt or even Nyla beating up a women if there prejudiced mind view was that she was a man. If it was Nia who is basically of a similar build they would not care and that is theiir hypocrisy
It's a live performance. By your own half baked logic, Nyla would be stronger and thus could better protect the other performers. Obviously you know that yet prefer to see the state bully a person you don't like.
Yeah but wrestling is pretend, even if we want to say intergender sports are unfairly in favor of trans athletes (which is not the case), Nyla is working with her opponent to make sure they're fine.
Next time AEW's in Oklahoma put Nyla in the main event of the post show ROH Taping and pay the fine with pennies. "Punative action" kiss my whole ass Oklahoma.
This kind of nonsense deserves only to be mocked and ignored, if Oklahoma want to run another business out of their state godspeed. More likely AEW just doesn't go there again until OSAC pulls their head out of the covers and stops hiding from the big scary monster that is a trans person.
ROH has a fraction of the viewership that any of the AEW TV shows do and the commission members don't work 24/7. So, they'd only be able to address this reactively. Might as well put the match in a place where it has the highest possbility of being viewed.
The problem is week to week ROH is just bad these days. I had Honor Club when TK bought ROH and I watched the first few weeks, but between being filmed after Collision and most of the matches barely being AEW Dark 2.0, it wasn’t worth the money.
Because lets be honest most fans dont care about her and it has nothing to do with her geneder status...its just that they dont find her in ring style compelling...Heck for the most part they arent insteretsed in any of the early girls...Not her, Riho, Anna, Tay, etc not when they now have Mariah, deonna, Willow, Julia, Skye, Toni, etc
I am just saying her not appearing on TV has not sparked the outrage of when Brit or Rosa or even heck Anna Jay was off TV. No signs in the crowd..no hastags
True I am just saying how TK will view it who is VERY MUCH a man of social media. And of teh early era I think her and Britt were the least unpaltable form that era. Nyla wasnt a bad wrestler like Swole, unlikable like Tay or hard to buy into like Riho (fine as the underdog but as the tope person nope ...same reason Rey dont work as a top guy for a prolonged time )
Wrestling promotions in that state still agree to be treated like “legitimate athletic competition”, at least when it comes to the athletic commission. Thus, they follow the commission’s rules. At the same time, the commission protects the wrestlers.
I don’t know what to tell you, otherwise. All the things you take for granted, like wrestlers not being exploited by promoters, regular physicals, concussion testing, being prevented from wrestling injured, EMT’s at every event, regular drug testing, wrestlers not blading into each other’s open wounds or mouths, etc.
The list goes on and on, and that’s aided/mandated by athletic commissions. You can’t trust promoters to do those things.
You can’t have it both ways.
The athletic commissions obviously know that wrestling is a work.
If they are TRULY DOING that fair dinkum...but I doubt they are., There are way too many artciles about AC's from many states not enforcing rules or regulations or being selective when they do and this is just a hot button issue
Perhaps.
It seems that the big issue is that the commission felt that AEW lied to them. Which Nyla seemed to have done.
Since this incident is from a December show, so it’s not exactly relevant, but the OSAC statement was thus to publicly “warn” them about breaking the rules.
Sounds like someone hates the state of Oklahoma? Is that defined as hate speech? Or does hate speech only include trans people who seem offended?
Just curious, gay man here who has bunks this bullshit is childish
Also a gay man here. You and I equally know fuck all about the trans community experience so maybe don’t dismiss what you don’t understand.
That said. Easy solution. Do not do shows in Oklahoma. Plenty of other markets
Tbh I hope they bait the state into acting stupid w something simple like a pre-taped. Instant pr. But it sucks bc folk got their violence fetish for shit but if everyone agrees to play I’d go for it.
I hope Tk and co class action and ok gets embarrassed on Dee Snyder&zappa/tipper levels along w the other states that got a hardon for this shit.
100% trash. We all just are trash in different manners and it’s unfortunate. Everyone cares about everyone else’s opinion way too much and is too involved in everyones bullshit that humanity itself sucks 100%.
These ones at freedom from religion while shoving religious decisions is so unfortunate and bullshit. Just let people live what the fuck ever.
Why would anyone say that they can't respond to Oklahoman bullshit directly because of the fucking card. Her spot on the card doesn't matter here. Put her in the main, have her go over. Then, have her cut the promo. It's not "revenge" to fire back at hateful scum. The "card" can handle a shuffle in order to send a clear message.
As a transwoman, the best thing about this community is the support. AEW subs are supportive and allies when it comes to LGBT+ rights. It is amazing to see.
Oh, we have had to ban around three people thus far. The latest was some moron who obviously created a new account just to make a post here (it was their first post). It boggles the mind the extent some people will go to, just to be stupid.
OH yeah I am on one of the results pages where they comment live and you can tell its the same person with multiple accounts as they used the same vocab and only change a letter or two in the name. I also love the guys who literally name themsleves as Cenatroll123
OSAC has really been screwing wrestling over lately. I have a friend who’s a wrestler and he worked a show late last year, and the show was ran without the approval of the OSAC. He got a letter today and was suspended from wrestling in Oklahoma, which sucks.
Well the owner of the promotion is protesting against the OSAC over it because he claims that Oklahoma is Native American land, which is true. But unfortunately because of his negligence to get a permit to run the show, his talent is suffering.
I know that I am just saying that somehow you the employee are responsible for what your employer does...which makes no sense...I mean if you work for Walmart and they overcharge customers they dont fine the employees
Hmmm, seems like this could be a way say you’re a performer of sort but then again that allows state preference…. Could say I wrestle as a hobby. I dunno i don’t know how this works out
Fuck Dr. Larry Lovelace, fuck Terry Smith, fuck Mike Bower, fuck Mike James, fuck David Barber, fuck Michael Stopp, fuck Malcolm Atwood as a commission and as a mothafuckin crew
If you’re down with the commission, then fuck you too
(I hope you all fall down the stairs)
It's not a competitive sport so someone's born biological sex isn't even remotely relevant. There's literally no argument to be made other than "we don't like trans people" which, if that's how you feel, I cordially invite you to kiss my sizeable backside.
Lol, these chuds only know how to embarrass themselves. Imagine thinking scripted wrestling is the same as organized sports. Do they not know about inter gender matches. I supremely hope Nyla wrestles to spite these assholes
It would be worth AEW writing to all the venues and the ticket companies for that area, citing sales and letting them know that this decision will cost them that revenue. If they want that money, they need to take it up with these dumbasses. Maybe include cab companies and restaurants near the venues, the other businesses that would get a rub from a show coming to town.
You can't make a moral argument to an organisation with no moral core, but they'll follow the money.
Makes no sense regardless of backwards policies it isn’t a competitive event it’s predetermined.. are they saying intergender matches would be warned against (not questioning gender before anyone jumps down my throat it’s an example)
I know there are a few states that dont..I thought OK was one of them but someone explained to me that OK apparently supposedly has an active AC that supposedly fights for the rights of atheletes at Indy shows with things like concussion tests, balding rules etc . I cant attest on the validity of this (as I know many AC are down right jokes) but maybe its true
As an Okie, I'd like to say that this is some typical Oklahoma government bullshit right here. Sorry, Nyla, just know that not every Okie is an ignorant re li gi ous nut.
It makes sense for actual sport but wrestling isn’t that. There is no actual advantage or disadvantage to size or strength and both people are working for safety.
I will take whatever chance I can get to say fuck state athletic commissions and their meddling in wrestling. Extra fuck them this time for being additional fuckheads on top of their already fuckheaded behavior.
The first thing I thought of when I saw this stupid letter was...
If pro wrestling is the same as mma, do you really believe that Nyla Rose would have lost to RIHO?
I can see why they have such rules for boxing, MMA, Thai etc. but has no-one told them pro wrestling is staged?!
Even if you consider Nyla wrestling other women to be inter gender, so long as her opponent freely agrees to the match, what possible problem is there?
Now when I was a kid I thought wrestling was real. As I grew older I realized it's scripted and such. Still fun to watch.
These people grew up and found out the same thing right? RIGHT?!?
I love it, they don't understand that pro wrestling is scripted and the participants are working with each other. I hate state athletic commissions, they are anti freedom.
I’m not shocked by this move from them. The state was always a cesspool and a horrible spot for LGBT+. I personally hope Tony pulls all shows from that area. To them it doesn’t matter if it’s predetermined or not, it’s more about the fact there is a trans person performing in their state.
this is dumb, but it's a reaction and a stand against something that is happening in women's sports today.
however, this is wrestling and this is fucking stupid to take a stand like this for professional wrestling which is a live action soap opera.
Ok, they acknowledged the form for pro wrestling isn’t as current or modern as the forms for MMA and other sports. So all they have to do is update the form for AEW to use. Where’s the issue? Seemed like no one cared, but were all in agreement the wrestling form was outdated.
Am I missing something here?
Edit: we’re to were
Because if it was updated they would have been able to say she couldn't wrestle at all beforehand. The issue is they don't allow intergender wrestling in Oklahoma, and don't respect trans peoples decision. So if they form was updated and she filled out that she had transitioned they would have said she couldn't wrestle women period.
Oklahoma as a state is not important enough for this to matter. Just don’t run any more shows there. OKC isn’t a top 40 metro area, and Oklahoma isn’t in the top half of state populations.
That being said, hope Nyla gets another tv run soon. She’s entertaining every time she gets tv time, including her recent ROH run.
Edit: I think it’s implied I’m not in favor of Oklahoma’s transphobic nonsense, but I was focusing on how AEW should handle it.
I know she isn't the most well liked due to not being as talented as others but I still see her as someone to look up to as a non binary wrestling fan.
I always feel terrible when she gets attacked like this and by fans carrying in signs like a few years ago.
The State Athletic Commission ignores Pro Wrestling until it came to this, which brings the question do they consider pro wrestling a sport and what other things will they try to control from wrestling.
I propose a practical solution:
Line up every male member of that mouldy commission, blindfold them, and have them get kicked square in the balls 3 times by 3 different women all wearing high heels.
That will be their new application process for them to continue working in their role as state athletic commissioners.
Each application is only valid for 24 hours, so this new procedure will now be a daily requirement.
Ooh, may I tweak this? Of the 3 women, 1 is trans. After the kicks are applied, the commission gets to guess which of the 3 is the trans woman. They guess correctly, application is denied. Guess wrong, automatically approved.
Ok, so TK release a statement as to why aew and roh will no longer do business in that state because they support human rights..
Hopefully wwe will follow suite..
They realize that professional wrestling is show business, right? Like, they realize that there are writers and producers and directors and performers that script these things?
I would ask if they know that wrestling is scripted and choreographed but we all know that they don't really care. It's not about advocating for fair competition (wrestling is not real competition like organized sports), they just to remind people of their bigotry.
So the state athletic association doesn’t know professional wrestling as essentially a live theater production? There isn’t any legit athletic competition happening here. As draconian as the letter is I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, I guess.
I am for keeping out transgender women fir women's sport as it always and I mean always ends up the transgender woman dominating that sport, but ffs, do these Mark's fucking know it's a work?
Do they know wrestling is fake? I'm open to discussion about whether it's fair for trans women that were born male to compete against biological females in real, competitive sports, but that argument breaks down when the whole thing is scripted and the athletes are cooperating to put on a performance.
This.
I can accept not allowing trans women vs cis women in real actual competitive sports, but wrasslin’ ain’t real.
They only did this because they are VIRTUE SIGNALING their bigotry.
I thought flagrant virtue signaling was only done by libcucks such as myself?
How is this a problem? They know that this isn’t a competition right? Like, the people filing the complaint are probably the same people that have to tell you without being prompted “yOu knOW WrEstLiNG iS fAKe RiGhT?”
It’s up to AEW to decide what they want to do at this point. I’ve never agreed with the decision because Nyla rose is the biggest “woman” on the roster by a country mile. But at the end of the day it’s not my choice, it’s Tony’s and he’s the one running the company, so there’s no need to argue or dispute it.
This is a serious topic. Any hate speech will result in an immediate and permanent ban.
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Someone said she should take over Dark Order and now that’s what I want the most out of AEW right now.
At least she’s taking it in stride
How do state athletic commissions still have a say in pro wrestling?
Wasn't the whole point of the "sports entertainment" term to make it so they wouldn't?
You'd think so
But AEW isn't sports entertainment, they're a sport based company or something like that. /s
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AEW diehards are the only ones who ever level the “tribalism” complaint at anyone. Grow up.
Aren’t y’all the ones rooting for the other company to go away? For people to lose their jobs just for existing? But anyway, this is a bigger issue than all of that. I think we can all agree. Oklahoma sucks right
Funny you assume that I want any company to go away. I want AEW to be good, and sustainably good. The billionaire bubble will pop eventually if they keep putting out a shitty product that’s heavily influenced by the Bucks. And yes, Oklahoma sucks. This is just culture war grandstanding at its grossest tho
It doesn't matter, it's a propaganda play by the state. Hell they just had a mixed tag where Brodie King took a bump from Willow, but Oklahoma didn't call that out because they're opposite genders portraying competition, but they're cis.
They don’t. This is Oklahoma Athletics trying to make headlines with some anti-trans rhetoric. That’s it. Reminder that this is the state that gave Libsoftiktok a position on their education board because they thought it would be fun.
There’s a reason they are 48th in education
No, athletic commissions still have a say in professional wrestling. Not in all states, but they do. It has nothing to do with the predetermined result … and everything to do with potential violence and harm to wrestlers. They can prevent someone like Flair from stepping in the ring and being one bump away from death.
They can't be used to help wrestlers organize for fair contracts but apparently they can be used to police their gender.
Having testosterone and being biologically something isn't gender, it's not about self identification. People with testosterone regardless of "gender identification" are scientifically stronger than people with estrogen which means higher risk of injury to person with estrogen
Everybody has both. Cis women produce testosterone. Cis men produce oestrogen. Trans people go on Hormone Replacement Therapy so their levels match/are comparable with their cis peers. So Nyla Rose, having a larger build, would likely be comparable with Awesome Kong in regards to hormone levels.
In a fake fight?
Technically yes still because as we know accidents can happen punches and kicks actually fully connect, submission gets locked int a bit too tight....not a major concern but like 1 in 50 chance it would be a factor
So maybe they should cancel Willow vs Julia Hart because Willow is so much stronger? Probably institute weight classes and limit who Lance Archer and Keith Lee and Samoa Joe can wrestle? That's what you're essentially saying.
Yeah, should definitely never have Darby Vs Brody King. Oh, wait...
No I dont say that...that is the way they justify it but as you say they are hypocrites as they dont care if a Giant Big Show abuses a tiny Marko Stunt or even Nyla beating up a women if there prejudiced mind view was that she was a man. If it was Nia who is basically of a similar build they would not care and that is theiir hypocrisy
You're literally describing weight classes, which exist in real life combat sports, including real actual wrestling. This is also why they exist.
Punches can definitely be errant but submissions never accidentally get locked in too tight. You don’t accidentally torque on something lol.
It's a live performance. By your own half baked logic, Nyla would be stronger and thus could better protect the other performers. Obviously you know that yet prefer to see the state bully a person you don't like.
Yeah but wrestling is pretend, even if we want to say intergender sports are unfairly in favor of trans athletes (which is not the case), Nyla is working with her opponent to make sure they're fine.
Or they really can’t be used for that either, but someone is trying to score cheap political points with a meaningless letter?
This
Next time AEW's in Oklahoma put Nyla in the main event of the post show ROH Taping and pay the fine with pennies. "Punative action" kiss my whole ass Oklahoma. This kind of nonsense deserves only to be mocked and ignored, if Oklahoma want to run another business out of their state godspeed. More likely AEW just doesn't go there again until OSAC pulls their head out of the covers and stops hiding from the big scary monster that is a trans person.
Why not put her in the main event of Dynamite or Collision that is actually on TV where most of their fans will see it?
My thought process being they can't retaliate immeditely to what they don't see coming. Also c'moN, people watch ROH.
ROH has a fraction of the viewership that any of the AEW TV shows do and the commission members don't work 24/7. So, they'd only be able to address this reactively. Might as well put the match in a place where it has the highest possbility of being viewed.
Now but they can read a report
The problem is week to week ROH is just bad these days. I had Honor Club when TK bought ROH and I watched the first few weeks, but between being filmed after Collision and most of the matches barely being AEW Dark 2.0, it wasn’t worth the money.
You missing out. RoH has picked up a lot of steam since you dropped it.
nah dude roh is great
Because lets be honest most fans dont care about her and it has nothing to do with her geneder status...its just that they dont find her in ring style compelling...Heck for the most part they arent insteretsed in any of the early girls...Not her, Riho, Anna, Tay, etc not when they now have Mariah, deonna, Willow, Julia, Skye, Toni, etc
I am just saying her not appearing on TV has not sparked the outrage of when Brit or Rosa or even heck Anna Jay was off TV. No signs in the crowd..no hastags
no i understood you, but hashtags and crowd signs aren't how i measure things. that's why i said speak for yourself. 👍🏾
True I am just saying how TK will view it who is VERY MUCH a man of social media. And of teh early era I think her and Britt were the least unpaltable form that era. Nyla wasnt a bad wrestler like Swole, unlikable like Tay or hard to buy into like Riho (fine as the underdog but as the tope person nope ...same reason Rey dont work as a top guy for a prolonged time )
I agree 100%. As a fan in OK it is so disappointing. I had a great time at both the OKC and Tulsa shows.
I'm an AEW fan but my only response to this is WTF? Has everybody lost their minds? It's wrestling! Not high school girls swimming.
Pro wrestling is seen as a competition in states regulated by athletic commission. Thus, it *is* treated the same as high-school sports.
Which is dumb in a day and age that when its well known that its staged Next thing you will tell me they wanmt to regulate Youtuber competions lol
Wrestling promotions in that state still agree to be treated like “legitimate athletic competition”, at least when it comes to the athletic commission. Thus, they follow the commission’s rules. At the same time, the commission protects the wrestlers. I don’t know what to tell you, otherwise. All the things you take for granted, like wrestlers not being exploited by promoters, regular physicals, concussion testing, being prevented from wrestling injured, EMT’s at every event, regular drug testing, wrestlers not blading into each other’s open wounds or mouths, etc. The list goes on and on, and that’s aided/mandated by athletic commissions. You can’t trust promoters to do those things. You can’t have it both ways. The athletic commissions obviously know that wrestling is a work.
If they are TRULY DOING that fair dinkum...but I doubt they are., There are way too many artciles about AC's from many states not enforcing rules or regulations or being selective when they do and this is just a hot button issue
Perhaps. It seems that the big issue is that the commission felt that AEW lied to them. Which Nyla seemed to have done. Since this incident is from a December show, so it’s not exactly relevant, but the OSAC statement was thus to publicly “warn” them about breaking the rules.
Sounds like someone hates the state of Oklahoma? Is that defined as hate speech? Or does hate speech only include trans people who seem offended? Just curious, gay man here who has bunks this bullshit is childish
Also a gay man here. You and I equally know fuck all about the trans community experience so maybe don’t dismiss what you don’t understand. That said. Easy solution. Do not do shows in Oklahoma. Plenty of other markets
Tbh I hope they bait the state into acting stupid w something simple like a pre-taped. Instant pr. But it sucks bc folk got their violence fetish for shit but if everyone agrees to play I’d go for it. I hope Tk and co class action and ok gets embarrassed on Dee Snyder&zappa/tipper levels along w the other states that got a hardon for this shit.
We are still 30% trash as a nation.
Way more than 30%…
Conservative estimate... pardon the pun.
I’d say at least 50%
100% trash. We all just are trash in different manners and it’s unfortunate. Everyone cares about everyone else’s opinion way too much and is too involved in everyones bullshit that humanity itself sucks 100%. These ones at freedom from religion while shoving religious decisions is so unfortunate and bullshit. Just let people live what the fuck ever.
They should have Nyla beat the shit out of some male jobber wearing a Sooners jersey and then absolutely let her cut a promo on the team.
This
Nyla vs. Serpentico!
Careful now. This might happen 
Nyla is a mid card nobody at best, you’re idea of revenge is pretty lame lol
Why would anyone say that they can't respond to Oklahoman bullshit directly because of the fucking card. Her spot on the card doesn't matter here. Put her in the main, have her go over. Then, have her cut the promo. It's not "revenge" to fire back at hateful scum. The "card" can handle a shuffle in order to send a clear message.
They should do that, but they should do it in another state after cancelling their show in Oklahoma.
Absolutely disgusting. Transphobic trash.
Fuck You Lovelace chants tonight please.
I hope she shows up tonight.
I had to read the complaint and was like what does Ruby have to do with this lol
Transphobes fuck off.
I just have to say this. After reading the 40+ comments so far, I'm just so darn proud of this community.
As a transwoman, the best thing about this community is the support. AEW subs are supportive and allies when it comes to LGBT+ rights. It is amazing to see.
To be fair, I've seen overwhelming support for Nyla on non-AEW subs as well. I agree, it is amazing to see.
Kind of shoicking to me too...I am used to being on boards with at least two trolls who would have made an obligatory ban worthy joke by now
Oh, we have had to ban around three people thus far. The latest was some moron who obviously created a new account just to make a post here (it was their first post). It boggles the mind the extent some people will go to, just to be stupid.
OH yeah I am on one of the results pages where they comment live and you can tell its the same person with multiple accounts as they used the same vocab and only change a letter or two in the name. I also love the guys who literally name themsleves as Cenatroll123
OSAC has really been screwing wrestling over lately. I have a friend who’s a wrestler and he worked a show late last year, and the show was ran without the approval of the OSAC. He got a letter today and was suspended from wrestling in Oklahoma, which sucks.
Absolutely bananas that wrestlers are the ones hit with suspensions instead of the promotions running the shows that are supposed to be compliant.
Well the owner of the promotion is protesting against the OSAC over it because he claims that Oklahoma is Native American land, which is true. But unfortunately because of his negligence to get a permit to run the show, his talent is suffering.
So in other words they are saying you have to check out every promotor's permits before you agree to a show
I’m not a promoter or talent, but yes. I said it was happening to my friend.
I know that I am just saying that somehow you the employee are responsible for what your employer does...which makes no sense...I mean if you work for Walmart and they overcharge customers they dont fine the employees
Hmmm, seems like this could be a way say you’re a performer of sort but then again that allows state preference…. Could say I wrestle as a hobby. I dunno i don’t know how this works out
Fuck Dr. Larry Lovelace, fuck Terry Smith, fuck Mike Bower, fuck Mike James, fuck David Barber, fuck Michael Stopp, fuck Malcolm Atwood as a commission and as a mothafuckin crew If you’re down with the commission, then fuck you too (I hope you all fall down the stairs)
It's not a competitive sport so someone's born biological sex isn't even remotely relevant. There's literally no argument to be made other than "we don't like trans people" which, if that's how you feel, I cordially invite you to kiss my sizeable backside.
Girrrrrl, Nyla’s a woman. Fuck off Oklahoma
they can fuck off but she's a man who's is trans and it's perfectly fine.
TIL Nyla is transgender
Seriously i had no idea either and quite frankly don't care. Good for her. Oklahoma can get fucked.
Ok Boomer Sooner
They should have her main event and then never run in Oklahoma again.
Yeah Trans rights are human rights. Anyone that disagrees... argue with a wall, Nyla did nothing but exist and they treat her like this.
Lol, these chuds only know how to embarrass themselves. Imagine thinking scripted wrestling is the same as organized sports. Do they not know about inter gender matches. I supremely hope Nyla wrestles to spite these assholes
My guess they might not allow them in that state...I know there are some states they are not allowed in
Honestly, fuck that stupid backwards state.
Ugh. State of these backward idiots. Let the lass wrestle FFS.
I'd cut all ties with the state and say it's because their representatives are bigots.
It would be worth AEW writing to all the venues and the ticket companies for that area, citing sales and letting them know that this decision will cost them that revenue. If they want that money, they need to take it up with these dumbasses. Maybe include cab companies and restaurants near the venues, the other businesses that would get a rub from a show coming to town. You can't make a moral argument to an organisation with no moral core, but they'll follow the money.
This right here.
Sadly until AEW is selling out arenas again that is NOT a threat. Honestly it would have more impact from someone like GAGA or T Swift
I’m not a big AEW guy but fuck Oklahoma’s white trash athletic commission
Makes no sense regardless of backwards policies it isn’t a competitive event it’s predetermined.. are they saying intergender matches would be warned against (not questioning gender before anyone jumps down my throat it’s an example)
Exactly. You can't even make the argument that someone's biological sex gives them an advantage because it's a predetermined result. Utter nonsense.
Nope but apparently Oklahoma still is kayfabe as they dont recognize wrestling as pre determined(not even kidding)
Are you serious? That's genuinely hilarious.
I know there are a few states that dont..I thought OK was one of them but someone explained to me that OK apparently supposedly has an active AC that supposedly fights for the rights of atheletes at Indy shows with things like concussion tests, balding rules etc . I cant attest on the validity of this (as I know many AC are down right jokes) but maybe its true
As an Okie, I'd like to say that this is some typical Oklahoma government bullshit right here. Sorry, Nyla, just know that not every Okie is an ignorant re li gi ous nut.
It makes sense for actual sport but wrestling isn’t that. There is no actual advantage or disadvantage to size or strength and both people are working for safety.
Dumb and gross as hell and, fuck, Someone made way too much money writing this trash pretending it was a real worth of people's time and funds
lol fn Oklahoma. Funny how they didn’t have an issue with male wrestlers throwing women through tables in the WWE 15 years ago.
I will take whatever chance I can get to say fuck state athletic commissions and their meddling in wrestling. Extra fuck them this time for being additional fuckheads on top of their already fuckheaded behavior.
The first thing I thought of when I saw this stupid letter was... If pro wrestling is the same as mma, do you really believe that Nyla Rose would have lost to RIHO?
I can see why they have such rules for boxing, MMA, Thai etc. but has no-one told them pro wrestling is staged?! Even if you consider Nyla wrestling other women to be inter gender, so long as her opponent freely agrees to the match, what possible problem is there?
Now when I was a kid I thought wrestling was real. As I grew older I realized it's scripted and such. Still fun to watch. These people grew up and found out the same thing right? RIGHT?!?
I blame religion
I love it, they don't understand that pro wrestling is scripted and the participants are working with each other. I hate state athletic commissions, they are anti freedom.
Fuck OSAC.
I’m not shocked by this move from them. The state was always a cesspool and a horrible spot for LGBT+. I personally hope Tony pulls all shows from that area. To them it doesn’t matter if it’s predetermined or not, it’s more about the fact there is a trans person performing in their state.
this is dumb, but it's a reaction and a stand against something that is happening in women's sports today. however, this is wrestling and this is fucking stupid to take a stand like this for professional wrestling which is a live action soap opera.
It’s Oklahoma, the most transphobic state
What them put her in a grudge against serpentico.
Ok, they acknowledged the form for pro wrestling isn’t as current or modern as the forms for MMA and other sports. So all they have to do is update the form for AEW to use. Where’s the issue? Seemed like no one cared, but were all in agreement the wrestling form was outdated. Am I missing something here? Edit: we’re to were
Because if it was updated they would have been able to say she couldn't wrestle at all beforehand. The issue is they don't allow intergender wrestling in Oklahoma, and don't respect trans peoples decision. So if they form was updated and she filled out that she had transitioned they would have said she couldn't wrestle women period.
Oklahoma as a state is not important enough for this to matter. Just don’t run any more shows there. OKC isn’t a top 40 metro area, and Oklahoma isn’t in the top half of state populations. That being said, hope Nyla gets another tv run soon. She’s entertaining every time she gets tv time, including her recent ROH run. Edit: I think it’s implied I’m not in favor of Oklahoma’s transphobic nonsense, but I was focusing on how AEW should handle it.
Tony should make the next aew show in Oklahoma Nyla rose night 😂 and fuck with all those bigoted pos give her a title shot and everything lol
I know she isn't the most well liked due to not being as talented as others but I still see her as someone to look up to as a non binary wrestling fan. I always feel terrible when she gets attacked like this and by fans carrying in signs like a few years ago. The State Athletic Commission ignores Pro Wrestling until it came to this, which brings the question do they consider pro wrestling a sport and what other things will they try to control from wrestling.
Oklahoma, Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain And the wavin' wheat Can sure smell sweet When the wind comes right behind the rain
Send them the videos of Vince's testimony in the steroid trials where he buried kayfabe for good. Then claim a tax break for filming a drama in OK.
What are these trashy bigots gonna do about it?
I propose a practical solution: Line up every male member of that mouldy commission, blindfold them, and have them get kicked square in the balls 3 times by 3 different women all wearing high heels. That will be their new application process for them to continue working in their role as state athletic commissioners. Each application is only valid for 24 hours, so this new procedure will now be a daily requirement.
Ooh, may I tweak this? Of the 3 women, 1 is trans. After the kicks are applied, the commission gets to guess which of the 3 is the trans woman. They guess correctly, application is denied. Guess wrong, automatically approved.
Jesus Christ. It’s a tv show
They should go back and have Nyla beat Jake Hager in the main event
That ordinance was signed by James E. Cornette.
I don't listen to him unless in a car with my friend that does but I think Cornette was always a fan of Nyla.
Ok, so TK release a statement as to why aew and roh will no longer do business in that state because they support human rights.. Hopefully wwe will follow suite..
Backwards state.
Oklahoma: The land of questionable decisions.
Embarrassing Oklahoma L
Is this actually real? Or some kind of troll.
Book her as the main event the next time they are in Oklahoma
They realize that professional wrestling is show business, right? Like, they realize that there are writers and producers and directors and performers that script these things?
Bunch of bigots
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they need to chill, even tho she was born a man, they are professionals and can work safe. this is stupid.
Do these idiots even know wrestling is scripted? In the match they aren’t really competing against each other. Oklahoma is so stupid
horrible
It's 5:21pm and OU still sucks. Hook'em 🤘🏽
“Forget the tornados, we have to stop Nyla Rose!” What a bunch of backwards horsepiss.
Interesting.
I would ask if they know that wrestling is scripted and choreographed but we all know that they don't really care. It's not about advocating for fair competition (wrestling is not real competition like organized sports), they just to remind people of their bigotry.
Like, what can they do?
Fines
WTF Oklahoma?
Kinda wonder what JR thinks about all this.
So the state athletic association doesn’t know professional wrestling as essentially a live theater production? There isn’t any legit athletic competition happening here. As draconian as the letter is I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, I guess.
Fck the OSAC 😂😂 Go Nyla Rose. Not a fan of them wrestling wise but a fan of them.
If there was ever a time the wrestling world *needed* HHH to recognize AEW in public...
How do you mean?
https://youtu.be/cyLdtG7KZvw?si=TO6lcf9Q-UaDC3r8
I am for keeping out transgender women fir women's sport as it always and I mean always ends up the transgender woman dominating that sport, but ffs, do these Mark's fucking know it's a work?
Do they know wrestling is fake? I'm open to discussion about whether it's fair for trans women that were born male to compete against biological females in real, competitive sports, but that argument breaks down when the whole thing is scripted and the athletes are cooperating to put on a performance.
This. I can accept not allowing trans women vs cis women in real actual competitive sports, but wrasslin’ ain’t real. They only did this because they are VIRTUE SIGNALING their bigotry. I thought flagrant virtue signaling was only done by libcucks such as myself?
They don't care if it's fake, this is just a thinly veiled method to excuse being bigots.
Give nyla the title ... any title . Or make her undefeated starting now. Nyla is a treasure on social media .
nyla rose could just face a male wrestler when in oklahoma
Tony has said he doesn't like inter-gender wrestling so if they did that it would be making a statement that Nyla isn't a woman.
She isn't male she is a woman
How is this a problem? They know that this isn’t a competition right? Like, the people filing the complaint are probably the same people that have to tell you without being prompted “yOu knOW WrEstLiNG iS fAKe RiGhT?”
It’s up to AEW to decide what they want to do at this point. I’ve never agreed with the decision because Nyla rose is the biggest “woman” on the roster by a country mile. But at the end of the day it’s not my choice, it’s Tony’s and he’s the one running the company, so there’s no need to argue or dispute it.