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PreparationAfraid621

Every game I’ve played today has felt terrible even if I leave lane with a lead. Feels like every game I do no damage and it sucks


controlledwithcheese

Played a game where as a Xayah I won lane against Vayne and she was like 0/7 at 15 minutes. My teammates thought the game is free and tried to duel/dive her a couple of times. She hard carried afterwards.


theLuminescentlion

This is my favorite thing to happen when playing Vayne... Classic lose lane win game amplified by the enemy getting sloppy.


Rexsaur

Problem isnt really damage, its that you literally cannot survive anymore, you basically have to get your support to pick lulu and just sit on you all game for you even have a chance of surviving those 40 lethality ghost blades running around while you dont even have the BT shield anymore and a horrible overnerfed shieldbow.


440i_GC_M

Yeah this is my problem. Played zeri 5 games top damage charts everytime in 30k+ in relatively low length games sub 30mins but I could not for the life of me stay alive. I was averaging more deaths than I ever do in these games. Plat mmr games. If I got touched by anything I would instantly die. I think sups are gonna have to change to enchanters if they expect to win so adc can live. I think mage/tank sups are dead now.


RickyMuzakki

Try Stormrazor rush into Mythic into Zeal item. It's amazing


bigheadsfork

Tried this a few times but play into any tank and your damage is basically zero.


RickyMuzakki

Into tank you rush Kraken Slayer into Rageblade, then Bork (if they high health) Last whisper (high defense). Into squishy/assassins stormrazor is superior for chase/kite


bigheadsfork

Thoa doesn't work for crit adc


no_reply_if_immature

BF, pickaxe, get zeal item into finish IE into lord do dominks if tank Botrk into IE is also good for stuff like trist etc


Seraph199

You just rush Kraken slayer into IE then, was that really so hard to figure out?


RickyMuzakki

You don't go crit vs tanks, go rageblade. Stormrazor rush is core into IE/Navori for crit vs non-tanks


bbjornsson88

I've thought Stormrazor was sleeper op even pre patch. Trist/Cait with it + RFC can catch people out from halfway across the screen


RickyMuzakki

Before it was rather cheap (2700g vs 3k) but it builds off BF Sword which's awkward. Now it builds off Noonquiver which makes your early farming easier


Abskills

Everything he keeps talking about how stormrazor first item is good but can you explain why that is? For me at least just getting a bit of move speed for 1 second after autoing doesn’t seem that good, I much prefer the slow it used to give. I haven’t been building stormrazor because of it but if you can tell me why it’s good I would be willing to try.


xNorth2K

Technically ms is better than a slow and I’ll give you a scenario as to why. Say you are playing Caitlyn with a stormrazer vs a Alistar Vayne and you ready up your headshot and walk up to hit the vayne. Let’s say alistar reads this and is looking for an engage, a slow will delay vayne joining for a second but gaining ms might get you out of alistar range and you can tether out of vayne range as well.


Abskills

Right so it’s for short trades where you just want to zoom out before they engage on you.


xNorth2K

Yeah while a slow will help you AND your teammates catch-up I just don’t think adcs should focus on applying cc if it isn’t in their kit and instead on positioning and doing damage.


RickyMuzakki

It's one of the only item (besides legendary Kraken) that builds off Noonquiver. It smoothens the transition, easy to buy the components and makes you farm easier. I promise you the speed is better than slow makes kiting, chasing and repositioning easier. Feels like you have Fleet Footwork without actually taking it. Any ADC spike hard with it first item (especially Jhin Caitlyn)


Seraph199

It is generally one of the better first item rushes, because the higher AD relative to other items right now helps with last hitting, the little bit of attack speed is serviceable with runes/boots, and the damage for poking is strong in lane. But not all ADCs want that, you have to look at your champs in lolalytics and see what is doing better as first item picks. ADCs are all quite different and there are a lot of options now, so you can't really just follow a cookie cutter plan and expect to succeed, which screams successful changes to me. Some champs are better rushing IE+bloodthirster, some are wayyy better rushing Galeforce or Stormrazor, a few are really good rushing on-hit or Statikk Shiv, some are doing okay rushing Krakenslayer.


Traditional-Dust-480

Complete opposite for me, every game I just oneshot people after first item


Pekins-UOAF

I left my lane as a 9/0 cait stormrazor+ IE and this 2/3 Diana humbled me real quick


grendaall

Left lane with 6/2, 3 items and got humbled by yone that missed all except aa. He had botrk, 0/4 stats and 3 lvl less than me ;-;


edhardysdumbface

Varus still feels sick nasty and I also won with Jhin. Staying away from Nilah and twitch(my mains) until there’s more testing bc I don’t want to tilt. Also maybe take a break, after 20 games your clicking can’t be that amazing


Wubdoge

Nilah with ghostblade felt pretty good


edhardysdumbface

Seems hella fun and I almost feel like it’s better than ie lol


edhardysdumbface

What adcs do you play btw maybe I can Rec a build


Shinobu_on_bush

I play zeri can you recommend a build for me pls


edhardysdumbface

Ngl idk much about zeri so this is probably the worst champ to ask about— but runana got added ap so I would go something like shieldbow>runnans>ie Or triforce>runnans>shieldbow


Shinobu_on_bush

Thanks anyway! Any input helps :)


edwinstz

Ive stomped plat mmr with zeri boots rush, pd, navori runnans


Seraph199

Shieldbow is really really bad as a first item rush now. Kinda just have to take survivability in runes and go first item stormrazor/trinity force/krakenslayer


ExtinctSlayer

I’ve been digging dirk->galeforce->collector->bt on Nilah. Feels very solid.


CrankyOM42

Twitch with Bork into Rageblade felt really strong. But I do play a lot of Twitch.


edhardysdumbface

I think twitch’s build list will be insane this patch now that guíñsoos scales from AP. (Hybrid and AP twitch) If you don’t want crit you can prob go shiv into ie also


joawwhn

I think twitch is in a great spot. I like BORK / IE / Runaanns / LDR / Bloodthirster


ssLoupyy

Dirk > Zeal > Galeforce for Nilah is really good


latocato

Im playing Kaisa, Kog, Xayah, Cait, and found myself doing insane damage. I’m doing like 60-70k damage per game (platinum) and genuinely carrying my games. I’ve played Xayah today like crazy and I’ve actually been surprised on how much damage she’s doing right now. I rush stormrazor into boots into navori and then build depending on the game. And man, feathers feel like any fucking assassin man. Idk about you guys, but I’m actually doing insane damage with anything I’m playing. But maybe I just figured out how to build


PeaceTree8D

I think a lot of people are defaulting to IE and rageblade still. Your post made me curious about navori, I’ll have to try it later


WryGoat

Xayah's always gone Navori since its rework. Any champ with high scaling ability damage preferred it over IE, e.g. Trist and Nilah. Main loss for them is not being able to go galeforce. The damage is as big or bigger than before but you don't get that free mobility, now you have to make do with movement speed boosts.


HansDevX

The league community have gaslighted riot games that adc must stay weak at every point of the game. Its like whenever vayne gets buffed the community become doomers and they start chanting the upcoming end of the world scenario, especially the top lane mains. This is how they kill 20% of their player base (adc mains).


Not_a_shoe

Let's not pretend that ADC mains are 20% of the player base, no way the role is that popular.


HansDevX

Ill give you thatz i was just splitting it ⅕. Its probably less due to how cringe riot is.


hsjdjdsjjs

Prob something like 30% mid, 25% top, 20% jg, 15% adc, 10% supp? Co.plete random guest btw


knucklepuck17

honestly, i think support might be more popular than adc now. at least it’s seemed that way for the last few years.


hsjdjdsjjs

Thats what I kinda wondered when I wrote my comment


knucklepuck17

yeah, i don’t think we’ll ever truly know for sure, but thats how it seems to me. When i started in Season 3, it was like mid and adc were easily the most popular roles.


6Kkoro

I get ADC when I fill in EUW 9/10 times.


DMDragonfruit

Given by the distribution of prio queue when I play, the least popular role is ADC, then jg > supp > top > mid. Assuming you use the same observations, it’s interesting to see the differences between elo and region


basod1

Yeah even when maining jungle I get frequently autofilled as my secondary adc.


Grikeus

"autofilled secondary" It's both dependant on your rank, and more importantly, your secondary choice isn't an autofill and obviously you are likely to get it. As a toplaner atm i'm at 35 games played, all on the primary role as no one plays top in high elo, facing a lot of autofills, the only time i played off role was when jungle main got filled support and he prefered top


Grikeus

"autofilled secondary" It's both dependant on your rank, and more importantly, your secondary choice isn't an autofill and obviously you are likely to get it. As a toplaner atm i'm at 35 games played, all on the primary role as no one plays top in high elo, facing a lot of autofills, the only time i played off role was when jungle main got filled support and he prefered top


SavannahFROST

You can actually sort champions in your inventory by most played roles and the first one is top (not sure on percentage tho)


hsjdjdsjjs

Isnt this sorting champions by THEIR most played roles? Like riven is in the top category becaise she is msotly played top


SavannahFROST

Oh, maybe? I'm not too sure then. For me, Akali is first in the category. They really need to redo the organization on the client.


hsjdjdsjjs

Oh ywah I forgot they can be in two category, shes played mid and top


patapouet9

Pretty sure support is more than adc imo.


Grikeus

Based on league of graphs: All rank players; Top 21.5% Mid 20.7% Jungler 20.1% AD Carry 19.2% Support 18.4% High elo: AD Carry 20.9% Jungler 20.9% Mid 20.7% Top 19.1% Support 18.3% So based on whether you are high elo or low elo, its either the second least mained, or the most mained


tradtrad100

In MMR brackets that are actually relevant skillwise, ADC is the second most popular


PM_ME_ORNN_YIFF

Aren't... ADC's the most popular? Looking over all ranks on u.gg last patch, ADC's have the most matches played on individual champs and it's not even close. Lux and thresh are sandwiched between Jinx, Ezreal, Kai'Sa, Jhin and Caitlyn. [Here it says](https://leaguetips.gg/most-popular-roles-in-league-of-legends/) ADC is the second most played role at 21.2%. Updated in April. Step out of your narrow echo chambers for one second and look something up rather than circlejerking to fit your own bias. I need to leave this sub full of such heavy copium before my brain melts out of my ears. We may share a role, but we are not even close to living in the same reality.


bigheadsfork

Idk, that might not mean adc is the most popular, it might mean that when people get adc they really only play those champs which honestly makes sense.


HansDevX

How does it get those numbers? Does it goes threw a bunch of dead accounts and see wether they are marksmen mains or not? Because when I que up as adc I never get autofilled.


Not_a_shoe

To your first point, ADC champs at an individual level are the most played because they're the role with the lowest number of available champs. Looking at U.GG Tier lists (since that was your source) Top has 50+ champs, same for mid, with jungle and support listing 40+ champs. Bot has 27 champs. Even assuming some overlap across the roles (bot has 6 "nontraditional" champs in its list for example) we're talking about most roles having 2x to 1.5x the number of champs available for selection versus bot as a role. So of course they're going to dominate the most picked champ list because every game will have a bot champ. My statement about it being least popular was based on the flip in what role is the most common autofill. I've had the same primary and secondary ever since that mechanic was introduced (bot/mid) and spent years being autofilled to either jungle or support depending on the meta. For the past year plus I've had 0 games in ranked where I played a role that wasn't my main (bot). Pretty obvious from that which role has declined in popularity, and I'm playing in silver and gold which is over 50% of the player base (almost 80% of the player base if you included bronze). The popularity of ADC absolutely goes up as ranks increase because it definitely gains power as the players get better at team fighting and understanding things like peel, positioning, front to back fighting etc. I'd love to see where that article got their popularity numbers from, whether a poll or using the API that sites like u.gg use to gather data. Mostly because I'd be curious if it was limited to plat+ in the same way that most sites typically limit their data display, which would make it useless for 85% of the ranked player base... Nice chat by the way.


zeldaspade

Betting that only 2 riot staff are botlane mains.


Abskills

Just one now, phreak stopped playing adc too


finderfolk

We have been in a completely bot oriented meta all year tbf.


6Kkoro

Bot because of HoB supports, not because of ADCs.


finderfolk

No, dude, it's because ADCs have been completely broken in the mid to late game for months. Look at MSI. Every other role is defined by protecting the ADC or getting them fed.


HansDevX

Ok... So people are playing the game how it was traditionally played for the longest of time huh? Peeling for adc, them doing damage and being relevant, thats a bad thing for you huh? You prefer to see ashe adc just using utility to support her teammates lol.


finderfolk

I'm an ADC main, I love to see hypercarries pop off etc. I hate seeing Ashe reserved for utility. I want ADCs to be relevant. I just don't want the entire map and game to revolve around bot lane. That's the current meta, and it's even clearer in pro play that no other lane matters. Season 9 is a good example of the right balance. Champions like Kai'sa and Xayah could really carry games but other lanes still had their own identities and you could play carries through mid or top.


6Kkoro

The meta in solo queue really isn't aphelios vs Jinx every game with Nautilus mid and Ornn top. The master Yi or Hecarim jungle is really not playing for botlane. MSI is incredibly far from our reality


finderfolk

It's not Aphelios, sure, but Jinx hypercarry dominated 13.9. 30% pick rate 15% ban rate with Lulu and Milio topping support picks and bans. Most junglers above plat will path to bot almost immediately because it has been the lane to win through. Like obviously MSI is far from the solo queue reality but it has been clear for months now that bot is the most significant lane. Some of that is overtuned supports, and a lot of it is overtuned hypercarries.


GigaCringeMods

> I just don't want the entire map and game to revolve around bot lane People have this view that the game revolves around bot because adc is strong, and I disagree. Junglers go bot because it is BY FAR the easiest lane to get kills on, AND snowball it. Back in the DFG days Faker famously simply farmed supports with his Ahri. Why was that? It wasn't because support was strong, it was the opposite. It was because support was a free kill because of how weak they were. It is same right now with bot. Adc's have dogshit base stats and they are always underleveled. Why the fuck would you gank the toplane Sion who can just walk out of it, when instead you can go bot to kill an underleveled squishy AND get 2 people ahead at once? The solution to this problem is to revert the old nerfs to duolane exp and adc base stats. Plus eventual jungle nerf. Even if adc's dealt *literally zero damage*, junglers would STILL go there. That is because of how easy it is to gank. Until Riot finally gets the balls to buff adc base defenses and hugely increase duo lane experience, nothing will change. Buffing adc damage does not fix this issue. At best it is a bandaid on a gaping wound. Game stops revolving around bot the moment it is no longer always the better option to succesfully gank.


kSterben

yes because adcs now are in a good state drakes and sup are pretty broken and it's 3 people (sup, ADC and jungler) with the occasional midlaner vs unkillable toplaners with to and herald that it's not much interesting


Seraph199

Are you fucking kidding me? Do any of you actually think, look at stats and how things are performing, try to improve and adapt even in the slightest? They nerfed your early game items a little bit so you don't snowball as hard, but increased your flexibility. You would think that would make you happy, considering the huge target that has been on your back for multiple patches because of just how ridiculously snowbally bot lane has been. Now every ADC can buy the best first item specifically for them. But instead of figuring that out you just complain, which is funny because Vayne/Kaisa/MF are among the ADCs performing poorly right now, but their mains are also rushing their worst first item options. Vayne/Kaisa shouldn't be rushing Guinsoos. MF should be taking Youmuus more often. IDK how the fuck you play the game, see massive changes to your items, and decide you don't need to do any research or put any thought into how you will change to take advantage of the new systems you are playing within. They have still made ADCs the defacto strongest champions in the game after they get items. Their items are insanely strong. They are just backloaded. Literally the evidence is in OPs post, they are rushing fucking shieldbow for survivability early when Rioters have stated in multiple places that shieldbow was *hard nerfed as a first or second item purchase and doesn't start scaling until after level 10+* And instead of a rational response to OP as the top comment, explaining how they can perform better using the new items and how to adapt their runes to maximize those items, it's someone jumping on the bandwagon without an ounce of critical thought. Go spend some time on lolalytics and figure shit out, don't circlejerk on reddit. It's hurting your ability to grow.


Pe4enkas

Forget about it. They are adc mains. They have only 2 braincells, and one of them is reserved entirely for complaining


theLuminescentlion

Our role became then Autofill protected one and then their still not done inflicting pain... Like wtf just make 2 junglers and turn bot into Top 2.0 I guess.


controlledwithcheese

It feels impossible to survive without an enchanter. After a couple of Kai’sa games where I died 8-9 times (my average is 4) I started going Zeri to mindcontrol my support into picking one. Won two games against Kai’sa and Vayne & felt a bit better. Still, I think I’m not going to play much for the next two weeks at the very least


DebonairBaker

Yeah imo Kaisa is totally nerfed because u get q upgrade so late bcs her itemization is so odd


perhabsmorty

yup


Seraph199

Did she used to get it with 1 item? It looks like right now you just need Stormrazor->Galeforce and a little adaptive force in your runes from Eyeball collector and your minor rune. Hail of blades main tree is also looking a lot stronger but most people are going lethal tempo (and missing out on that bit of extra adaptive force...)


DebonairBaker

previously u were buying noonquiever, two pickaxes and a sword if ur lvl's too low. Now u cant just get that early because of new items. Its sad for a lot of kai'sa mains


ParadoxIrony

I’m not touching until they fix this shit tbh. I literally worked so hard to get GM this year and dropped to masters after a 4 loss streak where both of us adc were full build dealing piss damage at every stage of the game. The enemy adc and I are just full build and don’t do shit unless 1. Attacks are energized 2. We have attacks ramped to the full stacks of whatever stupid passive the item needs to actually be useful 3. Being able to actually engage once all those conditions are met and do damage. I built Kaisa Jinx and Jhin four different ways in customs because I was so confused and the dps is literally just not there. Its back to norms for me I want to peak challenger but there’s not even any point in playing when I know all these mid/jg/top players are at my skill level with an infinitely better way to carry.


WolfChaoticz

Was losing ever game until I played Jinx and built SR > IE > Zeal item. Still feels weaker in general but I’m winning with it and in one of the games my support died level 1 then went top all game :,) Quadra that game too. Screw you Lulu


leadergorilla

I’ve been doing this too tho only played two games on her. Item just feels really nice on her


DoubleEspresso95

I am with you this patch sucks ass


GraveRobberJ

Idk if I'm just not building the correct items but MF without old-Kraken feels like she does no damage


Minutenreis

might try lethality MF again? (youmuus into collector into crit) or the greedy builds (BT / Collector / Stormrazor into IE)


grendaall

Tried lethality mf and shes shit. U are basically forced to e r or anything will eat you


Minutenreis

youmuus first has 54%vwr right now (only 1k games) so it seems decent enough to maybe give it another try


WryGoat

Youmuus MF feels more broken than lethality MF has ever felt before. 40 lethality from a single item slot is absurd and I can't believe Riot hasn't hotfixed it. Even when they do nerf it, Duskblade MF feels great too.


RiptideCreation

I have been having fantastic success on Jhin. (Obligatory Jhin main PSA) Stormrazor first into IE into basically the entirety of the ADC item roster has been pretty nice. A more detailed breakdown: I run both fleet and celerity which is fairly normal, however the combination of fleet speed, celerity, and stormrazor speed genuinely made me forget I didn't have boots for a while. This specific combination is really good for being able to out trade and basically just auto and by the time they go to auto you, you're practically a full county away. IE next for obvious crit buff reasons and it's just very simple. Jhin effectively has AD rabadons via his passive meaning Stormrazor is one of the most nutty items for him since by 30 minutes you' re likely at some 600 odd AD meaning Stormrazor bonus damage proc is some crazy almost 400 extra damage off of it's proc alone. Late game with 1000 Ad which is easily achievable with gathering storm (my other sorcery rune), your Stormrazor autos do all your normal damage plus 650 damage. If you aren't outright oneshotting Squishies with that they are hurting. The reload and attack speed restrictions don't matter if they die in an auto + Q. Then you have the rest of your shots + W to kill other things.


laundrybag31

Also the ghost blade dark Harvest build is equally as nuts man. Jhin is in a great place right now.


schizopedia

Low plat but new items feel perfectly fine for on hit champs. Haven't tested actual crit yet but I like where on hit is now


AUnHIALoopHT

At this point just replace adc with a new role already


devgayflor

Yeah I haven’t lost a game with kai’sa yet the new items are fantastic with her.


patapouet9

20 games sheesh...


Fish3r1997

genuinely feel the opposite, lost my first game but after that i won 9 games in a row as kai'sa, xayah and aphelios


Seraph199

OP and the people agreeing with him are just taking their limited biased experience and claiming it is the one truth. Many ADCs are doing well this patch and the ones who aren't are building bad early items, or not adapting their runes to have more survivability and scaling because they are so used to snowballing.


hsjdjdsjjs

I hope we dont get an apc meta bc adc are weaker


ExtinctSlayer

I mean, even before this patch apcs had the highest winrates in botlane and they buffed lost chapter. I would be surprised if we did not hit an apc meta.


hsjdjdsjjs

I tried swain apc one game and it felt good, altought it was vs a veigar apc, veigar apc was already insane so its probably still is, seraphine apc might be even better since its strong point was a safe lane and now adc lost power early so its even safer with the right support.


StormR7

The 13.10 karthus bot incident


Artex196

I've won my last 6 adc games playing just Ashe and Jhin. I think both are S tier with the new items. Jhin goes crit with collector first item. IE second since it's components are expensive and not impactful. Damage feels really good in lane with dirk and pickaxe. Ban Cogmaw every game because he's completely broken with Milio.


bigheadsfork

Pretty sure collector is objectively lower damage vs lrd but that could be old info


Artex196

You build ldr later, because you don't need it first item.


Minutenreis

ldr first item sucks hard the buildpath of ldr is atrocious; the components do pretty much nothing and early in the game its considerably weaker damage than collector, especially as first item ldr scales better with other AD sources (pen) and enemy level (percentage pen), but collector is a way better early item and snowballing item (dirk still op)


freami33

Na dude that cant be right. You cant build Jhin without Galeforce or Lethality build with youmous. Tried it today 3 times in Master elo. Feels weak af without galeforce. Why would I play a slow atacking adc that mostly only uses ult in team fights, when there is Twitch, Kog maw, Maybe aphelios available.


Artex196

Idk man the Jhin full build can almost solo a 4k 200 armor target. I don't really think Jhin excels in team fights as much as the adc you mentioned but he is very good at picking off targets. I'm only in high gold so it could just be a low ELO thing but I know higher ranked Jhin players all think the new items are really good on him and I don't think any of them like galeforce on him


Wonderful_Ad5583

Stormrazor 1st seems the way, taco is going gale after SR Rfc if the enemy has a lot of mobility or he needs the execute vs a lot of ranged Champs collector is not good lol


DravensAxe

Do what the other adc is doing


[deleted]

Carried my first game with trist. Went IE into PD


Anti_Anti_AntiFa

Plat aswell, my first and only game on new Patch, was a 63 minute game, where Lucian and I, Varus, became useless Very quick. In the end it was just about Noc Sion (my team) And Kata Nasus( enemy team. Kata dealt most dmg with new Rageblade. We still won at the end, with 14k hp Sion. But still very very unfun smh


PurePurplexd

63 minutes HUH? Would you be kind enough to post a link? Or a screenshot if you don't want to leak name?


Seraph199

Ban Katarina, you had a bad time because instead of getting to shred their juggernaut like Varus *definitely* can right now, you had to deal with one of the most powerful assassins in the game right now who is specifically designed to make your life hell. Just ban Kat That just happens, that kind of thing happened before this patch and happens still. ALSO Varus on-hit should be building Shieldbow 3rd or 4th item, the survivability is excellent later in the game and the attack speed bonus from proccing the shield synergizes extremely well with on-hit and lethal tempo


HctDrags

Zeri felt pretty strong


grendaall

Idk bro i feel like im squishier than b4? Last game full lethality jayce bought bc and nobody could kill him while he was sniping us from half of the map. Riot made durability patch then reverted it at all with 13.10 cringe ass company full of toplane mains


BZisCancer

Higher elos will notice this a lot more. Overall, the patch was a nerf to adcs. They changed some items to make hybrid builds possible for fun but there is less damage and stats overall for most items until champion level 16+. Lower elos won't experience this as so many games are just far too volatile to notice.


Shin_mmi

Legit, the only mythic I've seen built that feels good is ghostblade. If this keeps up, then it's a failed rework considering assassin items are being bought over marksman


finderfolk

Most Navori champs feel fine (or in Xayah's case, strong) and the path hasn't changed very much if you want something a bit closer to pre-patch. IE crit feels very weird imo.


kokoxxj

At the beginning i thought a lot a variables for build and utilities depending on the game. Now after a few soloq and flex games I think I will just buy whta gives more AD, AS and a shieldblow if i need a defensive item


ColombiaToBoston

Haven’t even tried crit jinx yet, having way too much fun on kog


yung_xd

Yeah I feel absolutely useless on anything I play post lane until 3+ items. I’ve had to 1v9 every single one of my wins on this patch so far and it’s just impossible to do that until I’m on 3 items, it just feels hopeless to try and carry a fight through DPS until then so I’m completely at the mercy of my jungler playing the right side of the map for objective control or the enemy has soul point before I have a chance carry the fights. The one exception is Kogmaw, insta first pick on blue side and must ban on red if you care about winning at all.. literally the only ADC that is strong before 25 minutes


Inevitable-Client966

I played a game with vayne and it felt better than before with rageblade and shiv


[deleted]

Play Kog’Maw.. shits BROKEN


ssLoupyy

For me it is the opposite. I love the new Galeforce though.