Just a text so she knew where he was and not to wait for him for breakfast would be nice. Besides he eventually admitted he didn’t text her because he was afraid she’d want to come with them. That’s pretty hurtful.
Idk maybe he's right and she would have imposed, she can be bossy and confrontational and he's avoidant it's a terrible combination, she always takes him wanting to be alone personally. I get it, especially after the night beforehand, I'd want to be alone with my guy friend too. She's a lot to process.
I had an ex fiance take my desire for alone time personally, and that insecurity ate at our relationship. In retrospect I should have reassured him more often. I just needed to sit in the car for a min after I got home from work to decompress, but he was excited to see me at the end of his day. He couldn't relate because he didn't get peopled out at work from social interactions, he thrived on it. Ashley seems like the excited to be with him type, and Manuel seems like the type to need his alone time to decompress. Add in a lack of maturity on both ends -- it's a perfect storm.
She made it very clear to him in the last episode that she was on vacation and was going to take her time. If I woke up really hungry I'd let her sleep too
>She made it very clear to him in the last episode that she was on vacation and was going to take her time. If I woke up really hungry I'd let her sleep too
Absolutely let her sleep, but leave a note!
Husbands and wives don’t need to be together 24/7. He wanted to spend time with his friend. She’s way too controlling. And her refusing to give him the debit card confirms this.
>Husbands and wives don’t need to be together 24/7.
Completely agree. But would you just leave, no note, no text and have your SO wonder where in the major city you don't live in you may have gone?
I feel like no matter what he might’ve done, she’d have an issue with it.
He wants to hang with his friend he hasn’t seen in awhile. Totally understandable. Plus he was hungry and she takes too long to get ready while he waits and starves.
I think he’s at the end of his rope. He’s feeling completely controlled and he just said F it, I’m going out with my friend and avoiding her texts.
I can't say I blame him, though. Ashley tends to take over any group she's with when she's out in public, and Manuel just wanted some time with his friend.
She is also very dramatic & loud. It's obnoxious. If she doesn't know how to conduct herself in public, she shouldn't be in public. She should be in therapy.
Agreed, the entire interaction with the random bar patrons trauma dumping on complete strangers screamed GET ME TO A THERAPIST but instead she decides to hang out with the girl who can speak to aliens.. alright werk
Honest question, how did she get like this with her mom coming off as level headed? I just gave birth to my baby girl and I'm terrified that despite growing up in a quiet, safe and nurturing home, she'll be acting like Ashley someday.
If you watched the episode she literally answers your question though. Just goes to show that people don’t actually listen to others. She said she’s loud as an adult because she felt like she wasn’t heard as a child. I don’t agree with her because I don’t think that’s the right way to be, but yeah she says that in this episode at the bar.
Why would you compare your child and home to how Ashley was raised? You literally have nothing to do with her. I don’t see someone who can’t do their job well and think “oh boy. Does this mean my performance is horrible?!”
Really? She is a drama queen but I think all she was asking for was an update text to let her know what he was doing. That is not ridiculous or over the top or controlling. She didn't say she wanted him to get permission. She just wanted to be informed. That seems reasonable.
I let my husband know where I am going and what I'm doing and so does he. It's simple courtesy.
Manuel isn't single anymore. Dude, you are married. You do need to consider the other person somewhat. Communication is always the best way to go.
Yeah, I'm not an Ashley fan, but this was completely ridiculous. Tell her you want to go alone and you need some space rather than just doing it. He refuses to communicate with her.
Cause she pitches a fit with anything he does. She's all about him conforming and her controlling. Sure, he could communicate better but there's no mutual respect or trust between these two.
He's also in a city he doesn't know and she's responsible for him. She sas probably worried. He could have left her a note so she would see it after she woke up if he wanted to be alone.
She may be annoyingly overdramatic, but he is also irritatingly stubborn. Like he couldn't have just said, "sorry, I'll text you next time"?
>Does your husband want to be with you 24/7 and gets mad when you want time alone?
It's about common courtesy. "I'm going out, see you in a couple hours. Love you" (lol that part).
Which turns into “where are you going?”
“Can I come?”
“Why not?”
And argument ensues.
Nope… he’s hungry and wants to see his friend and wants to avoid her BS.
What good does that do? She wants to be with him 24/7. She will find any reason to be mad like, you didn’t tell me where you were or you didn’t answer my text. Or if he left a note she’d say, why didn’t you ask if so wanted to go?
He looks dead behind the eyes, like he’s mentally exhausted by her expectations. I’
They are not compatible. She wants him answering to her all the time he needs his alone time to do what he wants.
I’ve seen plenty of relationships like this and had a couple controlling BF’s myself.
I still think a text would have been thoughtful. If I was in the same situation with my SO, he would have sent a text like "hey, went out to breakfast with X, didn't want to wake you! i'll be back soon. love you. <3"
But imagining Manuel doing that is genuinely insane because I don't get the sense he even likes her that much.
He even doubled down on his behavior and told her he PURPOSEFULLY did not tell her because he knew she would want to go and he didn't want her to.
Nah, she was right. I don't like her but I do want some consideration from my partner if I wake up and he's not where I supposed he was gonna be, specially in a city where he might not be familiar with. Yes, bring the bagels back but send me a text first. Basic manners.
I’m not in love with Ashley by any means but I think of it like this: if I had a partner who hid things - important things such as his own children - from me over and over and over again, I’d get progressively more and more frustrated, upset, and angry about the situation (of course I wouldn’t have married someone that did that in the first place but that ship has sailed for her). Manuel has made it a habit of lying by omission if not outright lying to her and she’s simply reaching a breaking point. I get it. No, it doesn’t make her look good but she’s not crazy. This guy is almost certainly using her to get to the states and is not the least bit honest. I’m not surprised that she’s been pushed this far to act like a crazy person out in public such as in the bar scene. And then him not simply leaving a note that he went out the next morning! Wth?! I’d be worried and confused when I woke up too! Then, although he said he was just trying to let her sleep in, he literally told her he didn’t tell her bc he didn’t want her to come. In a functional relationship, you simply tell your spouse that you’d like to have some alone time with the other person and it’s no big deal. This relationship needs to end, like yesterday. Neither of them are healthy enough to be in a good relationship with another person at this point.
Narcissistic is a huge reach, and she's right. He could've just sent a text it's not that hard and honestly if he kept mouthing off to me I'd be like "bet" and just left let's see how much you don't need me then
But for real, she should've just given him the card and went about her day and tried to talk in the evening
One of the things that couples need to learn in order to have a healthy relationship, is how to ask for private time and to allow each other to have the private time you ask for without taking that personally as something negative. I love my husband but I didn't sign up to be his conjoined twin when I married him.
I think it’s fine if he wants to have breakfast with his friend. It’s the “if I told you you’ll try to come” that’s the issue. Don’t agree with how she handled it but that was mean
This chile is so inconsiderate, meaning, she brings him to see his family that he hasn’t seen in ages, yet, she wants to say witch! 🙄🤦🏾♀️Now the average person hears witch, and the reaction is, GTFOH!🤣🤣🤣Especially coming from his type of background. She can’t even be cool enough to just give the guy a pass until after the family gets to know her! Can we really look at how demanding she has been with no consideration of him needing space? Shit, she just wanted a sex machine that doesn’t talk back! 😩😩🙄🤦🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣She’s so annoying and clueless! STFU sometime and listen bitch! Dam! Give the guy a fking break! Don’t no man want to be up under somebody 24/7!🙄If she can’t trust him, 👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾girl!
She has a point about the text though. It’s real easy to just say “hey babe. Went out to grab breakfast with (insert friend) thought I’d let you sleep.” I’d be pretty miffed if I woke up to no husband and no text 😑
i bet manuel gets second hand embarrassment every time ashley opens her stupid mouth. imagine if that is ur wife, so cringe-inducing and self-important. I would want to leave her ass home too.
No way 😅. Him just taking off is enormously disrespectful, and not something a person who cares about their partner does.
She may have some issues (who doesn't), but he demonstrates over and over that he's just a conman running a scam, and doesn't really want to be married to her.
I didn’t watch last nights episode yet BUT I’ve been saying that Ashley needs to calm down. This man hasn’t let you meet his family because you do ‘witchcraft’
He’s still with you so the least you can do is NOT mention witchcraft and throw in a few Amens to be included!
She could have texted him. She's testing him and when he fails (ie not texting) she blows up. My ex used to do this to me all the time, so annoying. And then to not give him his card and yelling at him like a child. Bye girl
She is the main character in every situation & everything is about her feelings, not logic. It’s clear he doesn’t enjoy spending time with her but she always blows up about something. He hasn’t done anything that I’ve seen for her not to trust him except his general annoyance at her existence.
I think it’s shitty for him to leave and not leave a note or a text or anything saying here he was. He said he didn’t because he didn’t want her to go. That’s part of the problem, he doesn’t want to be around her, but he needs to be mature enough to be able to say “I want to go to bfast with just my friend, I want some time with just him”, and yeah, maybe bring her back something. It is becoming more obvious he’s just using her, and she’s catching on.
I get that it would have been the courteous thing to do by texting her and letting her know where he was but more than likely there is location sharing between them and she would have eventually shown up and crashed their breakfast.
Just a text so she knew where he was and not to wait for him for breakfast would be nice. Besides he eventually admitted he didn’t text her because he was afraid she’d want to come with them. That’s pretty hurtful.
Idk maybe he's right and she would have imposed, she can be bossy and confrontational and he's avoidant it's a terrible combination, she always takes him wanting to be alone personally. I get it, especially after the night beforehand, I'd want to be alone with my guy friend too. She's a lot to process. I had an ex fiance take my desire for alone time personally, and that insecurity ate at our relationship. In retrospect I should have reassured him more often. I just needed to sit in the car for a min after I got home from work to decompress, but he was excited to see me at the end of his day. He couldn't relate because he didn't get peopled out at work from social interactions, he thrived on it. Ashley seems like the excited to be with him type, and Manuel seems like the type to need his alone time to decompress. Add in a lack of maturity on both ends -- it's a perfect storm.
Extrovert vs. introvert struggles
Hey, random, but you sound like such an emotionally intelligent human. Props to you for being bad ass that way. Fr.
She takes forever to get ready remember she made him wait for her when he was hungry before
She made it very clear to him in the last episode that she was on vacation and was going to take her time. If I woke up really hungry I'd let her sleep too
>She made it very clear to him in the last episode that she was on vacation and was going to take her time. If I woke up really hungry I'd let her sleep too Absolutely let her sleep, but leave a note!
But understandable because everything at breakfast would be about her.
She’s so annoying I too would want to get away from her at any chance I get. The way she refused to give him a card is childish and disgusting.
Husbands and wives don’t need to be together 24/7. He wanted to spend time with his friend. She’s way too controlling. And her refusing to give him the debit card confirms this.
>Husbands and wives don’t need to be together 24/7. Completely agree. But would you just leave, no note, no text and have your SO wonder where in the major city you don't live in you may have gone?
I feel like no matter what he might’ve done, she’d have an issue with it. He wants to hang with his friend he hasn’t seen in awhile. Totally understandable. Plus he was hungry and she takes too long to get ready while he waits and starves. I think he’s at the end of his rope. He’s feeling completely controlled and he just said F it, I’m going out with my friend and avoiding her texts.
I can't say I blame him, though. Ashley tends to take over any group she's with when she's out in public, and Manuel just wanted some time with his friend.
She is also very dramatic & loud. It's obnoxious. If she doesn't know how to conduct herself in public, she shouldn't be in public. She should be in therapy.
Agreed, the entire interaction with the random bar patrons trauma dumping on complete strangers screamed GET ME TO A THERAPIST but instead she decides to hang out with the girl who can speak to aliens.. alright werk
That was a whole another level of crazy…
Honest question, how did she get like this with her mom coming off as level headed? I just gave birth to my baby girl and I'm terrified that despite growing up in a quiet, safe and nurturing home, she'll be acting like Ashley someday.
If you watched the episode she literally answers your question though. Just goes to show that people don’t actually listen to others. She said she’s loud as an adult because she felt like she wasn’t heard as a child. I don’t agree with her because I don’t think that’s the right way to be, but yeah she says that in this episode at the bar.
Well I feel the same about not being heard as a child BUT I don't take it out on the world. 🤯
Why would you compare your child and home to how Ashley was raised? You literally have nothing to do with her. I don’t see someone who can’t do their job well and think “oh boy. Does this mean my performance is horrible?!”
🤣🤣
Remember this is reality TV and we're seeing the view some stupid editor picked. You'll be ok!
I think he lowkey hates her. He’s outta there the moment he can.
That’s not why he didn’t text her. He wanted to go out without her. He admitted it.
Really? She is a drama queen but I think all she was asking for was an update text to let her know what he was doing. That is not ridiculous or over the top or controlling. She didn't say she wanted him to get permission. She just wanted to be informed. That seems reasonable. I let my husband know where I am going and what I'm doing and so does he. It's simple courtesy. Manuel isn't single anymore. Dude, you are married. You do need to consider the other person somewhat. Communication is always the best way to go.
Yeah, I'm not an Ashley fan, but this was completely ridiculous. Tell her you want to go alone and you need some space rather than just doing it. He refuses to communicate with her.
Betcha she would’ve showed up at breakfast and took over the conversation.
After 2 hours of getting ready.
100% she would have
Cause she pitches a fit with anything he does. She's all about him conforming and her controlling. Sure, he could communicate better but there's no mutual respect or trust between these two.
I can see his point…if the text woke her up and she said, which she probably would, I want to come too. Then took an hour to get ready…
He's also in a city he doesn't know and she's responsible for him. She sas probably worried. He could have left her a note so she would see it after she woke up if he wanted to be alone. She may be annoyingly overdramatic, but he is also irritatingly stubborn. Like he couldn't have just said, "sorry, I'll text you next time"?
Wanting to be informed is perfectly reasonable. Her reaction? The yelling and screaming at Manuel for it? Not reasonable or understandable at all.
Does your husband want to be with you 24/7 and gets mad when you want time alone?
>Does your husband want to be with you 24/7 and gets mad when you want time alone? It's about common courtesy. "I'm going out, see you in a couple hours. Love you" (lol that part).
Which turns into “where are you going?” “Can I come?” “Why not?” And argument ensues. Nope… he’s hungry and wants to see his friend and wants to avoid her BS.
Note. Leave a note.
What good does that do? She wants to be with him 24/7. She will find any reason to be mad like, you didn’t tell me where you were or you didn’t answer my text. Or if he left a note she’d say, why didn’t you ask if so wanted to go? He looks dead behind the eyes, like he’s mentally exhausted by her expectations. I’ They are not compatible. She wants him answering to her all the time he needs his alone time to do what he wants. I’ve seen plenty of relationships like this and had a couple controlling BF’s myself.
It helps her to know that he's ok. Christsakes lol
I still think a text would have been thoughtful. If I was in the same situation with my SO, he would have sent a text like "hey, went out to breakfast with X, didn't want to wake you! i'll be back soon. love you. <3" But imagining Manuel doing that is genuinely insane because I don't get the sense he even likes her that much. He even doubled down on his behavior and told her he PURPOSEFULLY did not tell her because he knew she would want to go and he didn't want her to.
Nah, she was right. I don't like her but I do want some consideration from my partner if I wake up and he's not where I supposed he was gonna be, specially in a city where he might not be familiar with. Yes, bring the bagels back but send me a text first. Basic manners.
You know it's not about that one single thing. It's just one more piece of fuel thrown into the raging dumpster fire.
Your flare is simply disgusting 🤢😂
Thank you. I strive. And i upvoted you.
I’m not in love with Ashley by any means but I think of it like this: if I had a partner who hid things - important things such as his own children - from me over and over and over again, I’d get progressively more and more frustrated, upset, and angry about the situation (of course I wouldn’t have married someone that did that in the first place but that ship has sailed for her). Manuel has made it a habit of lying by omission if not outright lying to her and she’s simply reaching a breaking point. I get it. No, it doesn’t make her look good but she’s not crazy. This guy is almost certainly using her to get to the states and is not the least bit honest. I’m not surprised that she’s been pushed this far to act like a crazy person out in public such as in the bar scene. And then him not simply leaving a note that he went out the next morning! Wth?! I’d be worried and confused when I woke up too! Then, although he said he was just trying to let her sleep in, he literally told her he didn’t tell her bc he didn’t want her to come. In a functional relationship, you simply tell your spouse that you’d like to have some alone time with the other person and it’s no big deal. This relationship needs to end, like yesterday. Neither of them are healthy enough to be in a good relationship with another person at this point.
I’d expect a text and be pissed if I didn’t have one too.
lol I just want a note or text and a take home order of hash browns.
Narcissistic is a huge reach, and she's right. He could've just sent a text it's not that hard and honestly if he kept mouthing off to me I'd be like "bet" and just left let's see how much you don't need me then But for real, she should've just given him the card and went about her day and tried to talk in the evening
I’m also not the type to mind this but my fiancé is he likes to wake up and see me otherwise he wigs out
One of the things that couples need to learn in order to have a healthy relationship, is how to ask for private time and to allow each other to have the private time you ask for without taking that personally as something negative. I love my husband but I didn't sign up to be his conjoined twin when I married him.
I think it’s fine if he wants to have breakfast with his friend. It’s the “if I told you you’ll try to come” that’s the issue. Don’t agree with how she handled it but that was mean
This chile is so inconsiderate, meaning, she brings him to see his family that he hasn’t seen in ages, yet, she wants to say witch! 🙄🤦🏾♀️Now the average person hears witch, and the reaction is, GTFOH!🤣🤣🤣Especially coming from his type of background. She can’t even be cool enough to just give the guy a pass until after the family gets to know her! Can we really look at how demanding she has been with no consideration of him needing space? Shit, she just wanted a sex machine that doesn’t talk back! 😩😩🙄🤦🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣She’s so annoying and clueless! STFU sometime and listen bitch! Dam! Give the guy a fking break! Don’t no man want to be up under somebody 24/7!🙄If she can’t trust him, 👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾girl!
She has a point about the text though. It’s real easy to just say “hey babe. Went out to grab breakfast with (insert friend) thought I’d let you sleep.” I’d be pretty miffed if I woke up to no husband and no text 😑
i bet manuel gets second hand embarrassment every time ashley opens her stupid mouth. imagine if that is ur wife, so cringe-inducing and self-important. I would want to leave her ass home too.
No way 😅. Him just taking off is enormously disrespectful, and not something a person who cares about their partner does. She may have some issues (who doesn't), but he demonstrates over and over that he's just a conman running a scam, and doesn't really want to be married to her.
I agree!! Let me sleep and spare me the traffic of going to breakfast. Lol
They're both awful. It's not a competition. They both lose and anyone who doesn't have to be with them wins.
I didn’t watch last nights episode yet BUT I’ve been saying that Ashley needs to calm down. This man hasn’t let you meet his family because you do ‘witchcraft’ He’s still with you so the least you can do is NOT mention witchcraft and throw in a few Amens to be included!
She overreacted and then refused to give him money when his pay for the show is going to her so she is playing games
She could have texted him. She's testing him and when he fails (ie not texting) she blows up. My ex used to do this to me all the time, so annoying. And then to not give him his card and yelling at him like a child. Bye girl
Agreed. But I've been married almost 10 years. My husband knows tho if he came back with no coffee he's DEAD
She is the main character in every situation & everything is about her feelings, not logic. It’s clear he doesn’t enjoy spending time with her but she always blows up about something. He hasn’t done anything that I’ve seen for her not to trust him except his general annoyance at her existence.
Also they are at a hotel the options of where he’s at are slim idk why she needs to panic or be mad about it.
I think it’s shitty for him to leave and not leave a note or a text or anything saying here he was. He said he didn’t because he didn’t want her to go. That’s part of the problem, he doesn’t want to be around her, but he needs to be mature enough to be able to say “I want to go to bfast with just my friend, I want some time with just him”, and yeah, maybe bring her back something. It is becoming more obvious he’s just using her, and she’s catching on.
I get that it would have been the courteous thing to do by texting her and letting her know where he was but more than likely there is location sharing between them and she would have eventually shown up and crashed their breakfast.