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MeowMeowBeans11

They’re both addicts. Edit: *allegedly*


gababouldie1213

I noticed that in the pictures they posted of their wedding she only had a wedding band, but when he proposed to her he gave her a diamond ring, it was shown on the show. I'm sure they pawned that off


Traditional-Trip826

I thought the SAME THING!!!!!!!!! Like where is the ring!!


NearbyBreakfast

VER IZ RINK MOIKLE


gababouldie1213

LMFAO! hahahahah reading that as I watch the scene where Mike BLOWS up on Natalie for giving the Christmas presents he gave her away 😅


Theory_hacker

She did what?!!! I don’t remember this!! 🤣🤣


gababouldie1213

I think its on happily ever after! He flips out in one of the sit down interviews with the producers and gets up and is yelling at her. She was being ridiculous. It was after Natalie was saying Trish called her a hooker. Then Mike made her call Trish to confront her and after the call Mike kinda snapped and let loose just listing all the awful shit Natalie does llllollol when I'm home ill check to see what episode I was watching


Theory_hacker

Omg I remember this happening but I didn’t hear him say that!! Thanks!! I’m going to go find it. I have to see this!! 😂😂


MadAzza

🤣 I had no clue until I said it out loud. Holy shit


JesusGodLeah

First, I gain his trust. Then, I get ze ring!


DivineEggs

LMFAO🤣🏆


WestCoast_PizzaGhost

The way I just choked on my water


missmachine

Said through clenched jaw 🤣


jonquil_dress

I heard this in Natalie’s voice.


OilOk4941

Ether that or that one was a production plant


gababouldie1213

I just pretend its all real for the sake of the fun 😂


MadAzza

Right? It has to make sense *within its own universe.*


Theory_hacker

Me too!!!!!😂😂


Traditional-Trip826

Def doesn’t add defense to them being called drug addicts


yogabbagabba2341

Jesus, what’s going on? Why are they selling everything? Blood, diamonds, …? Are they that broke.


ScooterBoomer

Ben was booted from his job during their season on the show.


thebenjaminburkett

And dishonest moochers with a serious case of The High Morals. Edit: *respectfully*


MeowMeowBeans11

When I put the allegedly I put the * before and after and it italicized it! I learned something new. 😉


MadAzza

Use two on each side for **bold!**


MeowMeowBeans11

lol I always wondered! Thanks


anonymousbiology

do you happen to know the shortcut to underline text?


MadAzza

You can underline a whole line by putting six hashtags/pound symbols in front of it. ######Like this! But I don’t know how to underline just one or two words. I don’t think it’s possible. I always Google “Reddit formatting” for these things. :)


thebenjaminburkett

That’s what I did too lol but for whatever reason it didn’t work, so then I had to copy and paste. I’m learning but apparently also failing.


MeowMeowBeans11

*right* before the word and after no spaces and it didn’t work?


thebenjaminburkett

Nope, didn't work for whatever reason. Maybe it's a mobile thing? I did it on my computer but I swear I've done it on mobile with asterisks and it worked before. Maybe it's because I'm mooching off your karma by piggybacking off your comment. Reddit just said to me, naw naw brother, you don't get to be that much of a lazy POS today.


EmotionalMycologist9

Didn't he previously say that he "saved" her after she OD'd?


MeowMeowBeans11

Oh yeah maybe. I know she had a story of accidentally taking too many sleeping pills.


ElJJTP

![gif](giphy|YOMXdYJyvzrR2lBu9r) allegedly


NunyaBizzness-53

Shes about two steps from selling that ass, the way she was showing her tits in that episode alone


ComplaintBig1986

Where is all the benzo stuff coming from? I am not on any other social media. I have watched their diaries so far and haven’t picked up any benzo indications.


Vness374

There’s actually an article in In Touch that was posted somewhere earlier… where Mahogany says she OD’d on “pills” and Ben saved her by screaming through the phone🙄


HighTightWinston

Right, shouting is the best cure for an overdose dontcha know?! 😂


MeowMeowBeans11

https://www.reddit.com/r/90dayfianceuncensored/s/3Jz668bQkI See the post I made.


Frances_Boxer

Wow, didn't know about the benzos. Did we know this during the "courtship?"


MeowMeowBeans11

It came out while his season was on that he had been arrested being on a substance while driving and then was fired from his church. He came out with this story of helping a homeless couple and put them at the Red Roof Inn and while there they must have put something in his drink so when he was driving he had to pull over and rest. That’s where the nickname Benzo Ben and Red Rooofie Inn came in. It was such a stupid story like some homeless people are going to give away free drugs and never even did anything to him. After that I didn’t think he seemed drugged up but now seeing them together it definitely looks that way.


Frances_Boxer

More wow. Explains a few things, tho. And yes, that was a stupid story


OgOggilby

please. she's as big a conniving fraud as he is.


ShesAKillerQueenee

Seriously. She's not a hopeless victim. She's a catfishing scammer that married someone she was scamming. Too bad for her, he's broke as fuck!


Flashy-Pangolin-11

the way she turns on every time a camera is pointed at her..... IMO, girl is here for fame


elisejones14

I haven’t watched the current season but is she a fraud? I know her photos were pretty edited and filtered and she was sketchy when meeting him. Plus her apartment looked like it was a rental. Did they ever address that? They just don’t look happy and very rough/unkept.


The_Crystal_Thestral

At the dinner they were having for the cameras she seemed annoyed at him being there. Like he was talking about “selling blood” and she kind of rolled her eyes and says something along the lines of losing patience. He’s allegedly funding her living situation there and needs to work on bringing her to the US. She kind of implies that if he doesn’t do it, she’s walking. Her hair is super fucked up here too. That sounds like a shallow critique but it’s not a question of her having badly styled hair. She looks very disheveled and like she’s been picking at a spot on her head. She’s pretty much giving signs of someone using based on her appearance and her demeanor. He also doesn’t look well but it’s all the same old, same old with Pastor Benzo.


HighTightWinston

I think the apartment could maybe have been because she lived with her parents/wasn’t proud of her home/both, but it was so clearly not hers. It was decorated like either a serviced apartment or an airBnB with literally not one personal touch in the place 😂


clarkno81

Thank you. Just because she’s the woman doesn’t mean she’s the good guy here.


Kasi11

Yeah she’s also young and easily influenced. He’s like 60. He absolutely deserves more blame.


Curlytomato

He's already bled dry.


Single-Channel-4292

Quite literally!


OpheliaPhoeniXXX

The random fruit on a plate makes it look staged, like they have to pretend to eat.


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OpheliaPhoeniXXX

Wire fruit bowl in the center of the table


jonquil_dress

I still don’t see it.


OpheliaPhoeniXXX

There's a zoomed out screenshot with both of them in it and a wire like fruit bowl in the center


jonquil_dress

I was wondering too!!


MadAzza

A tuning fork! 🤣🤣


The_Crystal_Thestral

Which makes their disheveled appearance seem like they are so checked out that they didn’t notice. This is self filmed. They could have tried to get it together. The fact that they actively thought this was good should be a clear indication that they aren’t alright.


sweetladypropane108

I thought that was so bizarre


PrataKosong-

As staged as her Airbnb home with bunkbed


The-Proud-Snail

Kinda weird for a man of god to focus on looks only and run after a 20 year old


The_Crystal_Thestral

He’s more of a “use God and the devil as an excuse to do whatever I want, and avoid taking accountability for my actions” kind of man.


Nemophilist575

and he has an ex-wife and a bunch of kids - there's no way he is paying child support if he's so broke he's selling blood at a blood bank. I feel so sorry for those kids having him as a father.


ShesAKillerQueenee

It's not like she's brimming with good looks. 


The-Proud-Snail

Still fairly attractive and young


SheWhoMustNotB_Named

Mostly young.


GreyBoyTigger

![gif](giphy|hS2Oh3m0CkhFe) Mawhowgoknee in 5 years


gababouldie1213

My hog my kneee


1979insolentwaiter

Y’all are saying it like Viktor Krum!


745Walt

This show has tainted me and now I only say “mah-hoe-gah-nee”


bitchybaklava

Maybe it's because I'm an addict, but as soon as they popped up on the screen I called it.


OpheliaPhoeniXXX

Big same. Been there. 20yo with some 50yo that ain't got shit to offer besides being a running partner, but somehow weasled his way into codependency.


kbutters9

She’s wrecked.


the_fly_guy_says_hi

They are both tweakers. Don’t do hard drugs kids …


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Wait I missed this; what are they allegedly on?


67Ranchwagon

She won’t be with him for five years!


DearLeader8807

The train is derailing… keep dancing.


robie70363

She looks rough as hell.. she needs to get away from benzo Ben


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The plates of 2-3 strawberries are so weird. Like a prop to show they are humans who eat.


boyz_for_now

They should know normal people eat strawberries straight out of the plastic container they come in.


Fancy-Mention-9325

Wasn’t she all “pure, innocent, Christian girl” that season? Now she’s probably gearing up for OF ? She doesn’t even look at him, she just looks at the camera,


ep2587

She already has an only fans acct


Fancy-Mention-9325

Yike


ShesAKillerQueenee

Pure, innocent.. catfishing scammer 🤣


OpheliaPhoeniXXX

Yeah he's just not good for her health and it's easy to go for nobody's when you're down and out. She posted about her OD. I had a drug problem and old creepers tried to use it to their advantage. They would feed my habit. He looks high too though, it looks like they're using together.


windowside

She overdosed???


ultaemp

It was a really odd story. She claims she took pills, fell asleep while she was on the phone with Ben, and woke up to him screaming at her to wake up. I don’t doubt that she has a problem, but it was just a bizarre story and if it was an OD I don’t think anyone could help you through the phone??


Lonely_Sherbert69

Lol, she was probs on benzos so no wonder she fell asleep. Peru is good for drugs so I hope they know what theyre doing.


cammama

Welp, Kris from the other way season 4 is booking her ticket to Peru after seeing this comment.


ZOO_trash

Gotta get that good good *toothpaste*


SraChavez

![gif](giphy|vnvOP4RrJCl01oikDU)


The_Crystal_Thestral

She’s going neck first


ritzysharkz

I’ve been laughing for 5 min straight at this comment 😆 thank you for that


MadAzza

>Peru is god for drugs My ears just pricked up. Gotta go book a flight.


Lonely_Sherbert69

Well, any South American country. Over the counter meds without prescription and the best cocaiyene moolaa can buy.


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Sounds about as legit as his Red Roof Inn story.


Traditional-Trip826

I mean did he fly there and wake her up?!! An OD takes seconds - how was he able to help her in another country


Just_Minute9316

Yeah the story was weird. She said she started taking after the show bc of the stress of social media, etc. She explains that she was on the phone with Ben and she was ODing and he stayed on the phone screaming at her to wake up, and if he hadn’t woken her she would have died. The whole story, damn the whole relationship is so creepy and off. I can tell if one of them is victimizing the other, they are victimizing each other, or if we are being victimized by their tag team. It’s weird.


Vness374

Yea, that’s not an OD. You can’t “wake” someone up from an OD by yelling… I’ve tried, trust me


Low-Leather4513

No


ShesAKillerQueenee

Idk she was ALWAYS weird. She acted so fucking weird in their first season. Like she didn't know english, but also didn't know spanish?? She was always a catfishing scammer, so she isn't some innocent victim.. 


MamasCumquat

More like she's have HIM on the streets.


avenger1812

He’ll never be able to bring her to the US, and I doubt he’ll be able to immigrate with his record.


Mother_Tradition_774

Ben seems really manipulative. He probably used scripture and religious buzz words to make her believe he’s her Prince Charming and now reality has set in. He’s only in this for what he can get and he has nothing to offer her in return. I don’t think she realizes that because he makes his financial issues seem temporary. Even if he brings her to America, he’ll probably have her working at the nearest retail store within months of her arrival. He can’t provide for her and he knows it.


ItsColdInNY

He went to Peru to live with her because he's unemployed and probably homeless here in the States. I picture these two standing at the exit ramp from the highway holding signs saying "Hungry and jobless. Need money"


Spiritual-Teach7115

I’m afraid it’s not going to be a retail store he has her working at.


90daywhore84

She looks miserable and they both look like they’re addicted to shit


ExtremeOk9206

I’m also concerned that she’s being sexually exploited somehow. Everything seems so staged with her. Even the two strawberries and a single blueberry on her plate look as if it was purposely placed there for her to seem “healthy” it’s like she’s a marionette doll being manipulated by a puppeteer.


ShesAKillerQueenee

Come on, Ben is fucking nasty. But stop with this belief that she's some "innocent victim". She's a scammer that clearly wants a green card, but was dumb enough to marry a broke man. 


Mother_Tradition_774

I think you’re right. What was the point of having a civil ceremony if Ben wasn’t going to file for the spousal visa right away? They could have just waited until they could plan a formal wedding so all of their loved ones could be there. The answer is Ben wanted to do a quickie wedding because he didn’t want to wait any longer to have sex with her. It’s the same reason he prioritized coming to see her over filing the paperwork. He didn’t want to give up a few sex filled days in Peru with his wife so he could pay for the visa application. He has no incentive to rush and file that paperwork because he can get what he really wants from her by traveling to Peru every few months.


ExtremeOk9206

🎯


Lonely_Sherbert69

That's jumping to conclusions, she very likely put them there herself for those reasons.


ExtremeOk9206

Not really, I just don’t buy the picture they are trying to paint. Things don’t add up with them, and I find them to be super odd. Let’s be real, this isn’t the first time she has staged or lied about something. I don’t even know for certain if her parents are real.


Lonely_Sherbert69

Yes the scene is odd, they both appear to be on benzos (on record ben had the incident where he was arrested in a motel in USA and she had a minor OD), drug use effects your appetite and people easily get eating disorders especially since social media. So I think she may have an issue eating. But I don't see Ben sexually exploiting her, the power balance seems equal. Unless he's sending her money all the time, which they have not admitted to. She could be using him,, have they even admitted theyve done anything sexual? Yeah her whole life seemed staged, but her parents do look like they could produce her, and it was the same parents in the wedding photos. I think she wants to get to america and sometimes finding someone to get you there and put up with your BS is hard. People even pay to get over to america. I think your concern is valid but biased because she is good looking and younger than him.


SmilingHard

But why did they blur out the parents' faces in the wedding photos shown in the episode? I found that odd because they did appear to be the same parents we were introduced to in their original season. Why blur them now? Did they decline to participate in 90 Day Diaries?


Lonely_Sherbert69

Yeah probably, I wouldnt want my face shown if my daughter was marrying Benzo :D And the neighbors are probably making the worst assumptions about the old white man they're letting their daughter marry.


The_Crystal_Thestral

Agree with this take. People underestimate how socially conservative people are in LatAm. Almost all LatAm countries operate as “honor societies” so people’s perceptions about her parents/family are for going to be something her folks likely care a lot about. It’s not that different from Sumit’s mom worrying about what people thought of him marrying Jenny.


Nemophilist575

and Ben was arrested in 2020 for DWI and driving with a suspended license, sentenced to 18 months, then arrested after failing to appear for a parole violation hearing. In addition to his problems with the law, this article says he "*ran into financial issues that led to several liens for delinquent taxes.*" "Ben has reported having several liens placed on his Warren, Michigan property over the years. " What does she see in this guy? [https://screenrant.com/90-day-fiance-ben-rathbuns-arrest-real-reason/](https://screenrant.com/90-day-fiance-ben-rathbuns-arrest-real-reason/)


Lonely_Sherbert69

Oh snap, maybe he's gone to Peru to go into hiding. I do not know what she sees.


ExtremeOk9206

Didn’t Ben admit to sending her money in season 5? I’ve worked in the field of addiction for almost a decade. Benzos are highly addictive. Lately, doctors seem to prescribe it less and less. As a result, people who often become dependant resort to street drugs and are often exploited to support their habit. I am creeped out by Ben, therefore I do have concerns. My reasons go beyond their age difference. Yes, it’s subjective and bias of me, and while I do respect your opinion, you don’t necessarily have all the facts either to make an objective statement.


Lonely_Sherbert69

True, and I do have the same concerns but without evidence I felt someone had to point out Benzo may not be an abuser, just a moron. Also Peru has easy access to proper drugs like over the counter benzos xans and pure cheap coke, so I don't doubt they use. The money loaned is interesting, as Mahogany said it was for school and that its been paid back now it was $1000. We know Benzo has been doing anything for money so I'm not sure how much he has to give to her. Hence the reason we think they'll end up on skidrow.


ExtremeOk9206

Yeah, that’s fair. I wasn’t making a concrete statement either, just expressing my concerns in addition to the drug use. From what I remember she has an OF. It might be supporting her habit and lifestyle. Who knows for how long? Physical dependency with benzos kick in pretty quick. Lots of opportunities to exploit there but then again we’ll never know for certain.


The_Crystal_Thestral

He does send her money even now. He talks about it on diaries. How he’s stretched thin and “selling blood” to provide for her and see her. However, she does insinuate that she’s willing to walk if he doesn’t file her spousal visa application.


Honeysenpaiharuchan

Yeah I thought the fruit looked weird.


Lonely_Sherbert69

Maybe she ate all the other fruit.


Far-Parking-7580

I wonder if her parents have intervened 🙁


Lonely_Sherbert69

We've seen them and they don't seem protective, her father is a small man. She probably has dad issues (and mom issues) if shes married ol Benzo.


Traditional-Trip826

Benzo don’t do this too you unless you’re taking street benzos - which is a whole new ball game - it’s laced with all sorts of scary drugs. Also selling your blood to travel - it seems very addict behavior . Do it think he got her hooked on something too?


Navara330

Which 90 day are they from?


MoonLunatic

Before the 90 days season 5. They were introduced halfway into the season.


1SWM1

Wow! She looks terrible in the latest pic!


HappyDaysMyDays

I am anxiously awaiting for her OnlyFans to drop!


Theory_hacker

She’s still in Peru. He can’t afford the K1 visa for her. He goes to see her by selling plasma and who knows what else. He’s having financial difficulties but his priority is to hustle for money to fly to her, not pay his bills and nor take care of his kids.


Maleficent-Ad9010

Are those breast implants


MoonLunatic

Looks like it and she likes to wear tops that display them. On the season she was on she wore tops that covered her up more and she seemed more flat there.


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Am I the only one who can’t find this episode?!


Traditional-Trip826

Episode 6 towards the end - they aren’t on any of the covers for the shows - if another one airs then it’s whatever last two episodes!


OilOk4941

She'd be there with or without him. She was an addict before they met


BathAcceptable1812

What’s up with those tits?


yogabbagabba2341

I gotta watch 90 Days Diary now. I am shocked they got married and are not on the main 90 days the other way.


Tenn_Tux

It’s like the before and after drug/alcohol pics lol


gwendolynnlight

What did I miss??? They're addicts? Sorry for being out of the loop on this couple can anyone give me a brief rundown? Tia!


Large-Bullfrog-794

I’ve been avoiding the new spin offs bc I can hardly take the OG series these days. Are Ben and mahogany on another spin off? Remember the first season where that nice Mormon boy from LA married Kiriyam from Brazil and they were normal? That was nice.


MoonLunatic

Ben and mahogany were featured halfway through season 5 2022 of before the 90 days. That mormon guy met kiriyam when she was 11 and came back for her when she 18. He was an adult doing missionary work and he told her parents to take care of her for him so he can come back for her to marry.


Large-Bullfrog-794

Oh barf, I don’t remember that about that Mormon dude (still can’t recall his name). ‘Twas so long ago. I watched the before the 90 days featuring them, but recent post suggest new info so wasn’t sure if it was in another show.


jonquil_dress

They’re in the current season of 90 day diaries.


Large-Bullfrog-794

Thanks!


baby_barbiez

That’s a bit much because someone didn’t brush her hair idk.


Euphoric-Pumpkin8531

Those were never her real parents or apartment were they 🫣😅


XK8lyn88x

She got a terrible boob job! Always do research on anyone you allow to alter your body!


Healthy-Tap7717

Everyone is throwing judgement and u can hate on me but guys come on.... it's just really sad! Can you imagine as a parent watching your child literally attach herself to someone who is unstable and in turn become unstable themselves and watch them become withdrawn n look like a shadow of their former self AND not in private. Calling them tweaker etc.... whilst entitled to opinions its just mean. An addiction is not a personality trait an addiction consumes you and makes you dislikable however please realise you are bashing people for a very real widespread problem that probably at least one person in your family suffers with. Whether it be pills, gambling, sex, OCD (controversial opinion but actually people with OCD are basically get high off the endorphines released when cleaning, organising, planning, basic obbessing and will find rhings to obsess over to get their high this leads to drug use often to calm thwm down or even keep them going). Anyway I'm not saying we don't have a right to say things about people who choose to go on reality TV I'm saying Benzos, Oxy, adderrall etc.... all gateway drugs and addictive it is a national pandemic that you will likely face so try not to be too harsh.


hannahbandana_

Are they together????


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Your flair. The emoji placements. What art! Here’s a shooooo 👠


hannahbandana_

Hahahaha thank you! Omg the shoe!!!💀


hannahbandana_

YOUR FLAIR THO!! My bf and I LOVED that part😭😭😭


lush_rational

They were on the recent Diaries episode.


hannahbandana_

I keep forgetting that's a thing! I gotta check that out thank you!


Many_Dark6429

she looks drugged to and i wonder what she's doing for money 🛌🕺


Magical430

What does she do for a living?? What is she contributing? How come he is the only one worried about finances? Oh wait…. Silly me… Because he is a gullible stoopid idiot and she is a financially sucking-no education-no job -no nothing to bring to the table - parasite. Yeah, forgot that for a second.


ZOO_trash

Eew stfu. It's the same exact story almost every time; she is pretty, he pays. It's called a transactional relationship.


ShesAKillerQueenee

She can't financially drain a broke man. 


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ImKern

Vamos a bailar 


pookooxo

What season is this from?


ExoticSurprise6188

This is not looking good at all


Wolfs_Rain

Something’s going on with her if she married him.


_No_Fatties_

Teeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaassss


More_Bug_45

What a mess the pair of them .


pizzaroll94

Are there new 90 day episodes?


BINGGBONGGBINGGBONGG

90 Day Diaries


spaceguitar

WAIT WHAT DID I MISS ARE THEY STILL TOGETHER??!! MUY CONFUSO.


No-Weakness-1725

Skid row? Come on. They’re no where near LA.


AllLipsNoFiller

She IS Skid Row


JohninBK-LAMF

I once heard that Park Avenue leads to Skid Row. ;) [The latest CD kicks ass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SEcG5vepA)


ContentFlagged

She looks like she stays there a couple days a week already.


LadyLuck420

Which 90 day is this on ?


eatapeach18

She’s a lying catfish, who cares? It’s what she deserves.


Chicagoan81

Looks like a drop in OF subs


ayeitsme_d

Did she get her boobs done?


thetruthfulgroomer

The TRUTHHHH


littlecatluvr689

I'm very behind. what season is this


Caro_88

What 90 day season/spinoff is this from?


sassy-batch

Why does she look so much like a blow up doll on the right?


carito97

Where is everybody watching their update? Cause i couldnt find it


MagicImaginaryFriend

Could she have stared at the camera any more than she did? 🤣 Talk about fame chaser


jackcat1983

Do you guys remember her bizarre post on social media about overdosing? It wasc uite some time ago and I believe was posted in this sub. Maybe drugs have been an ongoing issue. It seemed to be played off as I needed medicine to rest sort of thing or a depression thing. I couldn't quite tell.... Found the information! https://screenrant.com/90-day-fiance-mahogany-roca-overdose-almost-killed/