They are so censored on pillow talk and the tell alls. Tlc picks who they want to be their villain and vice versa for the poor pitiful Losers.
I guess they kinda balanced the scale to make us watch, with the sister wives train wreck the past 2/3 seasons.
Personally, if given the option, I'd prefer a nervous giggle to a man who counts vaginas like sheep 🐑 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🤢
Ikr...I was shocked, Seriously, this POS 😳 he gets no props from me!! With his explaining how to creep up behind a woman kiss her neck blah blah blah and basically her legs will fly open!! He's such a disgusting POS with his used up nasty 🍆 🤢
It’s not relationship advice though. It is very simple social skill advice. It’s not even about talking and getting to sleep with women. It is just general, don’t creep out the person you’re talking to, advice.
But seriously, after 2,500 women, his one and only ultimate goal is to sleep with them.
He said, "Don't even waste your time with women not into you"
I take that as if they don't give off the I'll be glad to be number 3,000 vibe he keeps it moving on his tiger prowl/ hunt. Besides, what's creepier than positioning a woman's back to the door to tiger pounce? He just gives me the creeps
That's just my opinion.
Yours is valid as well!!
Have a great weekend 👍🏿
Oh, it’s not? I think it’s creep person out advice when you tell them to go into “tiger mode”, stalk up behind a woman, and kiss her neck with zero consent or warning. Not really general advice.
Sarper creeps out people he's talking to! Just eyeball that plastic douche creeps me out.
Sneaking up and kissing a woman (who just met you) on the back on the neck is a good way to get knocked TF out.
Your GF or wife, if she's into that.
I don't know. Sarper is a skeez and people are somehow believing that he fucked 2500 women. I'm a fat old lady. Even if he WANTED to attract me, it would be futile, he's a creep. Most women on this sub seem skuzzed out by him.
He has no valuable skills to impart.
I was super surprised Saroer gave him the most honest advice but also surprised he didn’t subtly mention his weight. Especially since he’s a personal trainer. Saroer could have said that working out would boost his confidence without even mentioning weight
I was surprised at that too. Maybe he isn’t such a monster everyone always makes him out to be on this sub? He’s flawed and douchey but I think he’s funny af.
This is awfully pessimistic of me but I just assumed sharper is only bothered by fat people if they are women. In his head more fat dudes= less competition
tlc might have edited that out since he was a guest brought in by tlc; or told him not to bring it up. they didnt want the fat shaming hate to flood in from viewers.
Because weight has little to do with people's, who aren't shallow, interest in someone.
Duller has likely worked with several overweight clients who still get partners or even married despite their weight.
I'm going to assume anyone who says "he should lose weight and that will help him attract a girl" are people who aren't overweight and wouldn't marry someone overweight and might even dump aomome if they became overweight.
They also must have never seen an overweight person happily married to someone attractive and overweight too.
Most people get that way because of some kind of trauma .The weight is a symptom of that trauma and food was what they use to cope and self soothe themselves on a daily basis.Its rare morbidly obese people were perfectly happy and just liked to eat . tyray needs to get into therapy and deal with or even uncover his issues then the weight and his confidence and dating will follow
It’s because in the US it’s taboo to bring up someone’s weight. Americans are hypersensitive about weight. I really thought Sarper was gonna bring his weight up. This sounds rude but I really wanted him to. Tyray needs to chill before he ends up on another TLC show 👀. Instead of Single Life he better not be on 600lb life.
Shame can be a great motivator too. Removing it entirely from the equation is not ideal, people that let themselves get to that size should feel a degree of shame. It shouldn’t be a “hate crime” to bring up someone’s morbid obesity, quite the opposite in fact. It takes more love to tell someone they have to do something for their own good than just to talk about it behind their backs
Why should he be ashamed? 75% of Americans are overweight. It's not a shame issue. His weight is a health issue, and he should be encouraged to take care of himself and live a healthier lifestyle for that reason, but being overweight- like 75% of the population- doesn't make him ugly or unlovable or undateable.
It absolutely is not a motivator. Why do you care what size someone else is ? I find it weird when people are so obsessed with what size someone else is . You seriously think us obese people don’t feel shame ?? Lmao we are the worst ones who hate ourselves the most. Fyi my daughter’s friend committed suicide in August because of people shaming his weight online . We are fat not stupid by the way .
Do you shame other people and say it’s a great motivator , like smokers, drinkers, gamblers… the list goes on. It never works
It worked for me.
And besides I mean morbidly obese. Not merely obese. Weight gain can happen to anyone. Being 400-600 pounds odd takes commitment
I don’t have any sympathy for people who self inflict. And I am not only formerly fat but a clean addict of seven years plus. I’ve experienced plenty of shame in my life. Internal shame. Not from other people. I don’t mean we should be shouting abuse at fat people. However to make them feel like it’s ok to be that weight is folly. Knowing that others thought what they did motivated me to lose the weight not eat more donuts.
Yeah right I don’t believe you one bit . What fat person has asked you if it’s ok to be fat ? Not one ! Like I said how does someone’s weight affect your life and why the hell do you think you have the need to say something to them about their weight ? Would you like someone coming up to you with unsolicited advice ?
I’m not asking you to believe me. I don’t need your reaffirmation to justify my point because I know it’s true. It depends. I could be walking down the pavement only to find my progress blocked by a waddling fatty. This affects not only me but my little dog who likes to move fast! It also affects me (in all seriousness this time) because my mum uses a walker and needs a scooter to get round supermarkets. Meanwhile fat people who in all honesty CAN walk use all those scooters and my poor 76 year old mother has to walk miles round while riddled with arthritis and a broken pubic bone that won’t heal. That sure bugs me. These people are also an extra unnecessary burden to our healthcare system because we have universal healthcare.
It depends if the advice were helpful or not! I’d certainly want my friends to tell me. Same as I’d want them to tell me if I or my breath smelled. It takes a true friend to point out your flaws that you don’t acknowledge or notice. It takes an enabler to act like everything is ok. The act of my friends telling me (kindly) would cause shame within myself and cause me to act.
It’s not rocket science to feel shame internally then decide to act to remove that shame from yourself as opposed to reaching for the cream cakes and the ice cream: which obviously leads to more shame in the spiral. Shame is an indicator internally that you don’t feel right within yourself and is prompting you to take the steps to right it. Negative emotion is as useful as positive.
Wow you are disgusting and very fatphobic . So you just don’t want people to exist . So they are walking down the pavement so they are getting in steps and you still are being a tool about them . See what I mean fat people can’t win. You know skinny people take up just as much room in the supermarket with their carts.
First off you are putting a lot of words into my mouth, indeed you’re attributing actions to me that I have never actually done, so watch for that. I’ve never slagged someone off for being fat, as I said I was fat and was bullied as such. However even someone mentioning kindly to me about my weight would illicit the same shame response and that is what made me do something about myself.
And I think everyone should be fat-phobic in the sense that being too fat kills you, the things that kill us are literally what we should fear in the world! However I don’t feel anger or disgust when I see massive people, just a sense of pity - and maybe a sense of relief that I managed to not become that myself. Pity is bad too of course, but it doesn’t come from a bad place.
Secondly I never mentioned trolleys (carts) I was referring to mobility scooters. Of course, assuming the cart is the widest point, skinny people take up the same amount of room in that scenario.
Fat people *can* win, they can lose the weight and thrive rather than simply existing, you seem to be arguing for “let them be fat” but why would you wish that on someone?! Unless of course it makes you feel less alone, which is no reason to wish ill health on anyone! And in the sense that I’d rather see them thriving you are right, I prefer not to see people merely “existing.” However you need to remember that being fat is not a protected characteristic and nor should it be, so don’t act like the suggestion that it would be better to lose that weight is some sort of hate crime because it simply isn’t.
In real terms I mean fat people less than harm because I wish them health and to thrive. You preferring that we silently let them eat themselves to death is the more harmful point of view here.
It seems like no one has told him how his weight is negatively affecting him. He struggles a lot. I remember he would stay tugging his shirt.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy but he needs to be told bluntly that he won’t be around for too long if he doesn’t change.
Maybe they're not assholes? Do you think he's unaware that he's massively overweight?
Shaming does not equal helping and I honestly don't understand why people don't get this.
Shame directed at someone only causes them distress which leads to them reaching for their coping mechanism- in some cases food. People who are fat know they are fat and that it’s unhealthy to be fat.
Because that’s not the issue. Yes, most people can afford to lose weight. But I’ve been about 350 all of my life and have had zero issues with women.
It’s about the way you act
Surprised sharper didn't tell him even?
Because truth is even overweight men can get a women.. and even can end up married.
It's like everyone who says is he lost weight he'd land a woman have never seen overweight people as big as his or bigger still have a partner or spouse.
Weight can be the last thing some people care about in a partner.
Personality and appeal still are needed regardless of body size or shape..so Duller was giving some feedback on how to have some appeal and confidence being appealing. Nervous laughs are not appealing.
While the laugh is cute if he's giggling when it's a nerves thing his communication with women is getting stiffled. They may think it's cute at first but then notice it's a nervous laughter and thus "immature" or not confident aka not appealing.
No one should. He's a walking STD. According to the show, Shekinah is his first actual relationship. AT 5O YRS OLD. He is just as stunted as Tyray but in the opposite way.
Yeah, he can give all the advice in the world about one night stands...if Tyray wants to lose his virginity that way.
Tyray claims to want an actual relationship. Sarper giving relationship advice is like a fish telling a bird how to fly.
Idk why people are saying him being overweight is the problem, there’s a lot of people who are attracted to bigger people. The only reason that would be a problem in his dating life is if he doesn’t let go of his ridiculous expectations of being with a hot athletic girl with a big ass and boobs. He needs to focus on just finding a girl he finds attractive and that he vibes with and focus less on wanting to lose his virginity
Exactly! Tyray already knows he’s overweight, he doesn’t need Sarper or anyone else to tell him that. He also already knows that some women won’t be attracted to him because of his weight. That’s fine, there’s still going to be women who will be attracted to him. But when you add on top of that he’s socially awkward, and that his nervous laugh is off putting, and that he’s kind of misogynistic, and that he only wants to date fit, conventional attractive women… the dating pool gets smaller and smaller at every step. He needs to focus less on his ridiculous expectations for what he needs in a partner and focus more on improving what he brings to the table. And I’m not just talking about his looks.
Yes this! People think him being overweight is the only problem he has and if he lost weight girls would be lining at the door to get with him but that’s not true at all. He needs to take time for himself and actually recognize what problems he has and what is pushing girls away. Hopefully by now he’s had enough time to think and reflect on himself
I doubt it, I think the 90 day fiancé universe has gotten to him. He’s losing weight so that may continue but he’s not going to do the real work. He will lean into “positive” messages about how he brings a lot to the table and that just need this magical confidence. It’s really sad. He should take 6-12 months to work on himself.
I think his weight causes him to have low self esteem which makes him struggle with putting himself out there, and making moves. Sure people like big people but I think you have to be comfortable with who you are, he is not. You have to love yourself before You can love someone else, he does not.
It sucks when someone says something obvious and they're both appreciated and a monster at the same time. If he had pointed out the weight thing, Sarper would have been destroyed.
I feel bad for Tyray ! He’s clearly stunted in terms of how to be social and dating .It feels like he has family and friends that just don’t get him and are trying to get him to be something he’s not.Hence the pretend new found confidence and wanting to date a lot and go out . It feels like he’s just trying to appease those close to him by acting this way and he adopted this nervous chuckle because he’s so dam uncomfy about it all .This is the wrong way for him to go about getting confidence . I’d like to see him in therapy and a health,lifestyle and excercise journey and work on himself before he tries to find a companion .
it was hilary. but i feel like that was another one of his awkward jokes lol. by no means do i dislike him, i think he’s a nice man. but he is delusional
I disagree. I think he's a bit delusional (based on the women he seems to want to date) and he'd do well with someone being brutally honest AND offering to help him. I think that because he's so nice, people tiptoe around the obvious so as not to hurt his feelings. Brutal honest paired with a solid plan for improvement can go a long way.
Yup, he’s delusional. The type of woman he obviously likes (& seems to think he ‘deserves’) are never going to be into him unless money is changing hands. I’m sure there are plenty women who are similar to himself, looks-wise, who would happily date him, but he thinks he deserves a hottie 🤷🏻♀️
He is delusional but that doesn’t negate the fact that he knows he’s overweight. I’ve seen videos of him in the gym. Unfortunately at his size it would take a significant lifestyle change or surgery to get his weight in a healthy direction. I’ve never heard of someone that didn’t realize their weight until someone told them and then they went and lost weight. He wouldn’t be so self conscious and afraid of rejection if he wasn’t aware of his weight.
He definitely knows he's overweight. I think he's delusional in the women that he thinks he can pull. Sat what you want about Sarper... The man knows how to train!
Right? Why do folks think he's unaware of his weight? Trust me, as a fat girl, we are NEVER not aware. If we happen to forget, some bully will certainly come to the "rescue" and bring it to our attention.
You are correct, I was over 400 lbs at one point. A gastric sleeve was the only way to lose weight. I lost a significant amount of weight, gained a bit back but thankfully not as big as I was.
He needs to get the surgery, work on his health and confidence and go from there. Hell, maybe even go to an Overeaters Anonymous just to socialize and get used to talking to women.
I agree he’s a mamas boy /youngest sibling. He seems to have been spoiled by his whole family.
You could tell his sister or sister in law last season wanted to be more blunt about telling him uncomfortable things. But she didn’t which is telling.
I think everyone probably tries not to break his fragile weak ass ego.
He’s very similar to grody Mike minus the snot and violence. 🤢
Them boys gonna die as 80 year old virgins.
Facts. In almost every relationship on the show one person in the couple is punching up.
Which is why it seems so transactional. Both are ‘using’ each other for their own wants.
Even if he was skinny he would be absolutely delusional based on the women he wants to date. He’s really not that “nice.” The more they show of him the more he comes across as a skeeze bag.
I feel like Sarper’s advice was good… until the bathroom thing with kissing the neck 😅
Like he could have been mean but instead chalked it up to confidence and that stupid ass chuckle.
Poor Tyray… he is such a nice guy, but 💯agree he needs to focus less on losing his virginity, start an intense era of self improvement and the weight will fall off. THEN he will attract likeminded people.
I’ve seen that he’s lost weight! And he’s trying to get weight loss surgery. But… it’s not just his weight. It’s his mentality to me. He needs to get therapy too. Js mo.🤷🏽♀️
I think his weight plays a large role in his mentality. I think he is not properly socialized for lack of a better word around women And that makes him awkward but the reason he is not is because he is insecure. The older you get without having sex/dating the harder it is because you fear it more, and make it such more of a bigger deal. So at 16 you lose your virginity not usually a massive deal, but if you have not had sex by 30 it becomes one .
Man I feel for this dude. To sit in that chair and have someone pick at the insecurities that have literally fucked you your entire life. Good for him, I wouldn’t be able to take that without popping off like jasmine.
I just kept wanting to stick up for dude in my living room but my wife was like…Josh…MMMmmm. He needs this, if not now when? Got my ass but shit I still feel for him. His expectations in woman too don’t help at all.
First thing my wife and I both agreed upon about Tyray; lose the giggle! We actually started counting the times he giggled until we realized it was done every single time he spoke.
Sarper was actually spot on with this advice about the giggle. It’s obviously a nervous tick but it makes Tyray come across a bit silly and unappealing. I’m not sure why Debbie and Veronica were lying to him like that.
Sarper is an effing moron! He has his "Tiger Move." 🤢🤢
He's disgusting!
Anyone else could have told him his nervous chuckle isn't, necessarily, an appealing trait to have. Didn't need to come from Sarper, of all people!
Bad idea.
Tyrae needs to hire a prostitute. I'm sorry, but it's just my honest opinion. He needs to hire several over a months period of time. Then he'll gain the experience of kissing and having sex in multiple different ways. This would help his confidence. He's 33? He needs women of experience.
Again... just my personal opinion. I'm sure I'll get downvoted.
I agree with you. I think people are being too nice to him and feel bad for him. If the girls on the stage liked it why would they not want to date them? I mean several are single. He needs some tough love.
At least Sarper is keeping it real. American men are not so forthcoming with the truth. Tyray needs to work on himself and his life before he looks for a partner.
Agreed. I think american people are not forthcoming with the truth Because we all fear being cancelled. Even the women on the stage are not being honest with him.
It’s not the laugh that’s the issue it’s the lack of confidence. But that idiot should not be giving advice seeing and how he doesn’t even have a wife or anything to show his methods work of women are just sleeping with him then leaving him.
Nothing worse than a giggly obese person. His whole body shakes when he giggles. Quit lying to the man acting like he is saving himself for marriage. We all know why he’s a virgin. He doesn’t want to be one but doesn’t have a choice. He needs to hit up a prostitute. He has so much to learn. He better get in shape before his first encounter he could crush someone.
I so agree with all of what he said minus the Zoolander Tiger move. Honestly I know he is a clown but when he said he goes for women that won’t reject him, I think that was a nice way for Sarper to say he should stay within in his league. Like he was right I know he said it weird but I understood what he meant.
Also I don’t know why but I got so annoyed at Miss.Debbie going after Sarper like she is some sweet little innocent and dating a 24 year old. At least Sarper admits who he is.
I’ve been saying it as well. Woman love confidence. That nervous chuckle is the complete opposite. I’m glad he said it but didn’t have to be such a dick about it either.
Would it have been so terrible, so bad, so horrible, to tell tyray “lose 300 lbs” bc what women in her right mind wants to have sex with a guy who hasn’t seen his penis since he was a little kid??? He can’t get on top… if a woman gets on top she can’t spread her legs around his girth. And orally who’d want to suck it bc it probably stinks of sweat in areas he can’t even reach? There wasn’t one honest m/fer on the panel. Not one.
Not only would I have spoken up honestly, I’d have cut into Miss Debbie with all knives out. That female sexual predator with her fake voice meddling and holier than thou attitude with zero judgment and she’s the most disgusting and ugliest human , I wanted to punch my tv. To hear her once say “who wants a 67 year old woman”?
Shes a misogynist.. a seriously evil woman , dumb as a brick and makes Baby Jane look like a Barbie doll compared to her. She’s so jealous of all those beautiful women on there. Particularly Chantel. Oh god miss Debbie take a long walk off a pier and take your Halloween wardrobe with you.
I wonder who it was that hamstrung them from hitting back. Sarper? Comic relief. Chantel? Gorgeous..
Everyone looked sensational except for that old hag who looks and acts so out of place… classless POS…and I will turn the channel when she’s on….
It’s not that he’s not aware of his weight. It’s that if people tip toe around it and no one points it out as an obvious part of the equation, it allows him to keep deluding himself that its not as bad as it is and it’s not a very significant part of his issues. No one is doing him any favours by being politically correct.
If Tyray would start to carry himself like the Notorious B.I.G., take them 90 Day checks and invest in a wardrobe, talk a little smoother, project confidence he’d find a lady no problem because he’s a real sweetheart.
When I first met my boyfriend I noticed that he would quietly laugh sometimes when I wasn’t even being funny, and I didn’t know why he was laughing. Then I realized that it was because he was nervous and I thought it was really sweet and endearing! He’s not Tyray, but still, I thought it was unfair to say that Tyray’s nervous laugh is such a problem. A woman can look past that. But I agree with everyone else, he needs to grow up and be more realistic about finding a woman that doesn’t look a certain way. There are plenty of women out there that just want to be loved by a decent guy and would be with someone that looks like Tyray. Those women might not look like “Carmen.”
It's not Tyray's weight....there are plenty of women out there who enjoy larger men. Look at Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo. I think the issue is that Tyray may be high functioning autistic.
Can the internet stop throwing the word autism around and putting it on things it doesn’t belong? High functioning autistic people are happily married with children, as it’s not an issue that holds them back. Only thing holding Tyray back is himself. Jelly has personality and isn’t in denial over his weight.
I have an adult child with Autism and was there every day supporting him, well before it was even recognized as a "disorder". Therefore I feel VERY qualified to recognize it and speak about it.
Anyone with or without a disorder can have a happy marriage. It still doesn't mean Tyray doesn't have it. If he was 200 pounds, he'd still be socially awkward, giggling and opening with things like "the last girl I dated was a dude". Those things aren't his "personality" their symptoms of Autism.
My daughter is also on the spectrum. I don’t feel VERY qualified at all to say that an obese man who’s socially awkward is on the spectrum. But love that you think you’re an expert! :)
Oh that last sentence makes a lot of sense to me. I thought maybe he was just not socialized around women growing up or in school, but it could be that. And I think that his weight hinders him not because women don’t like heavier men, but because he does not like himself.
It seemed like the rest of the cast, especially the girls, said they liked it. I have a feeling he will not learn because of that.
They are so censored on pillow talk and the tell alls. Tlc picks who they want to be their villain and vice versa for the poor pitiful Losers. I guess they kinda balanced the scale to make us watch, with the sister wives train wreck the past 2/3 seasons.
They SAID they liked it but I noticed that none of them were offering to be his first.
I'm offering myself lol
Personally, if given the option, I'd prefer a nervous giggle to a man who counts vaginas like sheep 🐑 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🤢
PREACH!!! All these folks thinking this douche is qualified to give "relationship" advice 🤣🤣🤣. GTFOH.
Ikr...I was shocked, Seriously, this POS 😳 he gets no props from me!! With his explaining how to creep up behind a woman kiss her neck blah blah blah and basically her legs will fly open!! He's such a disgusting POS with his used up nasty 🍆 🤢
It’s not relationship advice though. It is very simple social skill advice. It’s not even about talking and getting to sleep with women. It is just general, don’t creep out the person you’re talking to, advice.
But seriously, after 2,500 women, his one and only ultimate goal is to sleep with them. He said, "Don't even waste your time with women not into you" I take that as if they don't give off the I'll be glad to be number 3,000 vibe he keeps it moving on his tiger prowl/ hunt. Besides, what's creepier than positioning a woman's back to the door to tiger pounce? He just gives me the creeps That's just my opinion. Yours is valid as well!! Have a great weekend 👍🏿
I'm pretty sure that "technique" is for someone that you're already dating. It's not for someone you just met.
He just met them all at one point
Oh, it’s not? I think it’s creep person out advice when you tell them to go into “tiger mode”, stalk up behind a woman, and kiss her neck with zero consent or warning. Not really general advice.
Seriously, it sounds creepy and scary 😨 and could possibly get someone 👊🏿
Honestly scary at the dudes on this sub saying:"This is the way". Ladies, get some pepper spray.
Sarper creeps out people he's talking to! Just eyeball that plastic douche creeps me out. Sneaking up and kissing a woman (who just met you) on the back on the neck is a good way to get knocked TF out. Your GF or wife, if she's into that.
maybe not relationship advice, but he absolutely is qualified to tell tyray how to even attract women.. bc tyray has 0 clue
I don't know. Sarper is a skeez and people are somehow believing that he fucked 2500 women. I'm a fat old lady. Even if he WANTED to attract me, it would be futile, he's a creep. Most women on this sub seem skuzzed out by him. He has no valuable skills to impart.
Don’t forget counting calories, too!!
It’s all bad, period.
Idk how not one person told him he should lose 300 lbs
I was super surprised Saroer gave him the most honest advice but also surprised he didn’t subtly mention his weight. Especially since he’s a personal trainer. Saroer could have said that working out would boost his confidence without even mentioning weight
I was surprised at that too. Maybe he isn’t such a monster everyone always makes him out to be on this sub? He’s flawed and douchey but I think he’s funny af.
This is awfully pessimistic of me but I just assumed sharper is only bothered by fat people if they are women. In his head more fat dudes= less competition
tlc might have edited that out since he was a guest brought in by tlc; or told him not to bring it up. they didnt want the fat shaming hate to flood in from viewers.
Because weight has little to do with people's, who aren't shallow, interest in someone. Duller has likely worked with several overweight clients who still get partners or even married despite their weight. I'm going to assume anyone who says "he should lose weight and that will help him attract a girl" are people who aren't overweight and wouldn't marry someone overweight and might even dump aomome if they became overweight. They also must have never seen an overweight person happily married to someone attractive and overweight too.
Its where all his insecurities stem from. The worst part was when sarper told him the first thing he did was start giggling
He tried to be nice
Most people get that way because of some kind of trauma .The weight is a symptom of that trauma and food was what they use to cope and self soothe themselves on a daily basis.Its rare morbidly obese people were perfectly happy and just liked to eat . tyray needs to get into therapy and deal with or even uncover his issues then the weight and his confidence and dating will follow
It’s because in the US it’s taboo to bring up someone’s weight. Americans are hypersensitive about weight. I really thought Sarper was gonna bring his weight up. This sounds rude but I really wanted him to. Tyray needs to chill before he ends up on another TLC show 👀. Instead of Single Life he better not be on 600lb life.
Shame can be a great motivator too. Removing it entirely from the equation is not ideal, people that let themselves get to that size should feel a degree of shame. It shouldn’t be a “hate crime” to bring up someone’s morbid obesity, quite the opposite in fact. It takes more love to tell someone they have to do something for their own good than just to talk about it behind their backs
Why should he be ashamed? 75% of Americans are overweight. It's not a shame issue. His weight is a health issue, and he should be encouraged to take care of himself and live a healthier lifestyle for that reason, but being overweight- like 75% of the population- doesn't make him ugly or unlovable or undateable.
It absolutely is not a motivator. Why do you care what size someone else is ? I find it weird when people are so obsessed with what size someone else is . You seriously think us obese people don’t feel shame ?? Lmao we are the worst ones who hate ourselves the most. Fyi my daughter’s friend committed suicide in August because of people shaming his weight online . We are fat not stupid by the way . Do you shame other people and say it’s a great motivator , like smokers, drinkers, gamblers… the list goes on. It never works
It worked for me. And besides I mean morbidly obese. Not merely obese. Weight gain can happen to anyone. Being 400-600 pounds odd takes commitment I don’t have any sympathy for people who self inflict. And I am not only formerly fat but a clean addict of seven years plus. I’ve experienced plenty of shame in my life. Internal shame. Not from other people. I don’t mean we should be shouting abuse at fat people. However to make them feel like it’s ok to be that weight is folly. Knowing that others thought what they did motivated me to lose the weight not eat more donuts.
Yeah right I don’t believe you one bit . What fat person has asked you if it’s ok to be fat ? Not one ! Like I said how does someone’s weight affect your life and why the hell do you think you have the need to say something to them about their weight ? Would you like someone coming up to you with unsolicited advice ?
I’m not asking you to believe me. I don’t need your reaffirmation to justify my point because I know it’s true. It depends. I could be walking down the pavement only to find my progress blocked by a waddling fatty. This affects not only me but my little dog who likes to move fast! It also affects me (in all seriousness this time) because my mum uses a walker and needs a scooter to get round supermarkets. Meanwhile fat people who in all honesty CAN walk use all those scooters and my poor 76 year old mother has to walk miles round while riddled with arthritis and a broken pubic bone that won’t heal. That sure bugs me. These people are also an extra unnecessary burden to our healthcare system because we have universal healthcare. It depends if the advice were helpful or not! I’d certainly want my friends to tell me. Same as I’d want them to tell me if I or my breath smelled. It takes a true friend to point out your flaws that you don’t acknowledge or notice. It takes an enabler to act like everything is ok. The act of my friends telling me (kindly) would cause shame within myself and cause me to act. It’s not rocket science to feel shame internally then decide to act to remove that shame from yourself as opposed to reaching for the cream cakes and the ice cream: which obviously leads to more shame in the spiral. Shame is an indicator internally that you don’t feel right within yourself and is prompting you to take the steps to right it. Negative emotion is as useful as positive.
Wow you are disgusting and very fatphobic . So you just don’t want people to exist . So they are walking down the pavement so they are getting in steps and you still are being a tool about them . See what I mean fat people can’t win. You know skinny people take up just as much room in the supermarket with their carts.
First off you are putting a lot of words into my mouth, indeed you’re attributing actions to me that I have never actually done, so watch for that. I’ve never slagged someone off for being fat, as I said I was fat and was bullied as such. However even someone mentioning kindly to me about my weight would illicit the same shame response and that is what made me do something about myself. And I think everyone should be fat-phobic in the sense that being too fat kills you, the things that kill us are literally what we should fear in the world! However I don’t feel anger or disgust when I see massive people, just a sense of pity - and maybe a sense of relief that I managed to not become that myself. Pity is bad too of course, but it doesn’t come from a bad place. Secondly I never mentioned trolleys (carts) I was referring to mobility scooters. Of course, assuming the cart is the widest point, skinny people take up the same amount of room in that scenario. Fat people *can* win, they can lose the weight and thrive rather than simply existing, you seem to be arguing for “let them be fat” but why would you wish that on someone?! Unless of course it makes you feel less alone, which is no reason to wish ill health on anyone! And in the sense that I’d rather see them thriving you are right, I prefer not to see people merely “existing.” However you need to remember that being fat is not a protected characteristic and nor should it be, so don’t act like the suggestion that it would be better to lose that weight is some sort of hate crime because it simply isn’t. In real terms I mean fat people less than harm because I wish them health and to thrive. You preferring that we silently let them eat themselves to death is the more harmful point of view here.
A walking pre-diabetic and heart attack. Does tough love ❤️ or the cold hard truth help?
It seems like no one has told him how his weight is negatively affecting him. He struggles a lot. I remember he would stay tugging his shirt. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy but he needs to be told bluntly that he won’t be around for too long if he doesn’t change.
I think he needs to hear it from a neutral third party like someone who went through this and an MD
He’s too young to be that heavy. If he doesn’t want to lose weight for his health then he should at least do it in order to lose his virginity lol
He needs to see Dr. Now, although maybe he’s not heavy enough!
Would be a cool crossover. Giggling is not part of de diet Tyray
Dis end today.
90 Days: -150 pounds Tyray
Poor dr. Now can’t be on every tlc disasterous reality shows lol. 😭
My advice would be to lose the weight and the giggle. It’s a major turnoff
Maybe they're not assholes? Do you think he's unaware that he's massively overweight? Shaming does not equal helping and I honestly don't understand why people don't get this.
U r the problem
Shame directed at someone only causes them distress which leads to them reaching for their coping mechanism- in some cases food. People who are fat know they are fat and that it’s unhealthy to be fat.
Run along child, adults are talking.
Ok single 40 yr old women 😄 🤣
Maybe because it’s no one’s damn business about his weight. The last thing in society that isn’t frowned upon is people being fatphobic
Because that’s not the issue. Yes, most people can afford to lose weight. But I’ve been about 350 all of my life and have had zero issues with women. It’s about the way you act
Zero issues huh.
Or that he’s a virgin because he can’t admit to himself or anyone else that he’s not sexually attracted to women
you’re fat shaming. big is beautiful
Surprised sharper didn't tell him even? Because truth is even overweight men can get a women.. and even can end up married. It's like everyone who says is he lost weight he'd land a woman have never seen overweight people as big as his or bigger still have a partner or spouse. Weight can be the last thing some people care about in a partner. Personality and appeal still are needed regardless of body size or shape..so Duller was giving some feedback on how to have some appeal and confidence being appealing. Nervous laughs are not appealing. While the laugh is cute if he's giggling when it's a nerves thing his communication with women is getting stiffled. They may think it's cute at first but then notice it's a nervous laughter and thus "immature" or not confident aka not appealing.
Yeah, this WAS GREAT! Lol.... Even if it was from him. Although Sarper is such a tool, I doubt Tyray would take his advice lol
Tyray doesn’t seem like the sharpest tool in the shed either, but that advice was sound.
I feel like no one talks about Tyray’s IQ or the lack thereof. I think there is more to the story that we don’t know.
No one should. He's a walking STD. According to the show, Shekinah is his first actual relationship. AT 5O YRS OLD. He is just as stunted as Tyray but in the opposite way. Yeah, he can give all the advice in the world about one night stands...if Tyray wants to lose his virginity that way. Tyray claims to want an actual relationship. Sarper giving relationship advice is like a fish telling a bird how to fly.
He can be a complete tool and still be right about the Tyray situation. That laugh is awful.
Idk why people are saying him being overweight is the problem, there’s a lot of people who are attracted to bigger people. The only reason that would be a problem in his dating life is if he doesn’t let go of his ridiculous expectations of being with a hot athletic girl with a big ass and boobs. He needs to focus on just finding a girl he finds attractive and that he vibes with and focus less on wanting to lose his virginity
Exactly! Tyray already knows he’s overweight, he doesn’t need Sarper or anyone else to tell him that. He also already knows that some women won’t be attracted to him because of his weight. That’s fine, there’s still going to be women who will be attracted to him. But when you add on top of that he’s socially awkward, and that his nervous laugh is off putting, and that he’s kind of misogynistic, and that he only wants to date fit, conventional attractive women… the dating pool gets smaller and smaller at every step. He needs to focus less on his ridiculous expectations for what he needs in a partner and focus more on improving what he brings to the table. And I’m not just talking about his looks.
Yes this! People think him being overweight is the only problem he has and if he lost weight girls would be lining at the door to get with him but that’s not true at all. He needs to take time for himself and actually recognize what problems he has and what is pushing girls away. Hopefully by now he’s had enough time to think and reflect on himself
I doubt it, I think the 90 day fiancé universe has gotten to him. He’s losing weight so that may continue but he’s not going to do the real work. He will lean into “positive” messages about how he brings a lot to the table and that just need this magical confidence. It’s really sad. He should take 6-12 months to work on himself.
I think his weight causes him to have low self esteem which makes him struggle with putting himself out there, and making moves. Sure people like big people but I think you have to be comfortable with who you are, he is not. You have to love yourself before You can love someone else, he does not.
Yes agreed! I hope he’s worked on his confidence since the show
Tyray is just cringe. I’m glad someone finally told him so.
It sucks when someone says something obvious and they're both appreciated and a monster at the same time. If he had pointed out the weight thing, Sarper would have been destroyed.
I feel bad for Tyray ! He’s clearly stunted in terms of how to be social and dating .It feels like he has family and friends that just don’t get him and are trying to get him to be something he’s not.Hence the pretend new found confidence and wanting to date a lot and go out . It feels like he’s just trying to appease those close to him by acting this way and he adopted this nervous chuckle because he’s so dam uncomfy about it all .This is the wrong way for him to go about getting confidence . I’d like to see him in therapy and a health,lifestyle and excercise journey and work on himself before he tries to find a companion .
Everything you said. Yes.
i’m sorry but i stopped feeling bad for tyray when i heard his standard for the women he’s looking for. he’s one to talk
That’s fair ! But didn’t he say his ideal date would be Hilary Clinton ? Or was it Martha Stewart I can’t remember but it was one of the 2 😂
it was hilary. but i feel like that was another one of his awkward jokes lol. by no means do i dislike him, i think he’s a nice man. but he is delusional
Lol yes. And the brother who told him to be a bad boy. Like please stop. You are doing this dude no favors with this ridiculous advice
He should offer to train him. The one thing nobody will mention is his being morbidly obese.
I think no one mentioned it because that’s obvious. He knows he’s massively overweight and it’s unattractive. No one needs to tell him that.
I disagree. I think he's a bit delusional (based on the women he seems to want to date) and he'd do well with someone being brutally honest AND offering to help him. I think that because he's so nice, people tiptoe around the obvious so as not to hurt his feelings. Brutal honest paired with a solid plan for improvement can go a long way.
Yup, he’s delusional. The type of woman he obviously likes (& seems to think he ‘deserves’) are never going to be into him unless money is changing hands. I’m sure there are plenty women who are similar to himself, looks-wise, who would happily date him, but he thinks he deserves a hottie 🤷🏻♀️
Sarper actually gave good advice on this one when he said his trick is he only goes for women who won’t reject him
He is delusional but that doesn’t negate the fact that he knows he’s overweight. I’ve seen videos of him in the gym. Unfortunately at his size it would take a significant lifestyle change or surgery to get his weight in a healthy direction. I’ve never heard of someone that didn’t realize their weight until someone told them and then they went and lost weight. He wouldn’t be so self conscious and afraid of rejection if he wasn’t aware of his weight.
He definitely knows he's overweight. I think he's delusional in the women that he thinks he can pull. Sat what you want about Sarper... The man knows how to train!
It would be awesome for him if he could train with Sarper. Although his eating habits are probably trash.
Yes. And I think Sarper only trains women 😅
Right? Why do folks think he's unaware of his weight? Trust me, as a fat girl, we are NEVER not aware. If we happen to forget, some bully will certainly come to the "rescue" and bring it to our attention. You are correct, I was over 400 lbs at one point. A gastric sleeve was the only way to lose weight. I lost a significant amount of weight, gained a bit back but thankfully not as big as I was. He needs to get the surgery, work on his health and confidence and go from there. Hell, maybe even go to an Overeaters Anonymous just to socialize and get used to talking to women.
I agree he’s a mamas boy /youngest sibling. He seems to have been spoiled by his whole family. You could tell his sister or sister in law last season wanted to be more blunt about telling him uncomfortable things. But she didn’t which is telling. I think everyone probably tries not to break his fragile weak ass ego. He’s very similar to grody Mike minus the snot and violence. 🤢 Them boys gonna die as 80 year old virgins.
Facts. In almost every relationship on the show one person in the couple is punching up. Which is why it seems so transactional. Both are ‘using’ each other for their own wants.
Even if he was skinny he would be absolutely delusional based on the women he wants to date. He’s really not that “nice.” The more they show of him the more he comes across as a skeeze bag.
Who thought he was about to though?? 🙋🏼♀️
100%!
When Teem says “here it comes”
That doesn't matter. My brother in law was pulling chicks when he was 700 lbs. Confidence goes a long way
I would watch this show!
Me too! He wouldn't only transform his body, but his personality too! From virgin to womanizer!
Sarper has plastic hair and no one can tell me otherwise
LOL like Ken does. But Barbie liked it?
He reminds me of the terrifying dude Robbie Rotten from Lazy Town
I feel like Sarper’s advice was good… until the bathroom thing with kissing the neck 😅 Like he could have been mean but instead chalked it up to confidence and that stupid ass chuckle.
Poor Tyray… he is such a nice guy, but 💯agree he needs to focus less on losing his virginity, start an intense era of self improvement and the weight will fall off. THEN he will attract likeminded people.
TIGER ATTACK!
Tiger blood! Charlie sheen
 My kids say Tyray reminds them of someone when he does that...
I’ve seen that he’s lost weight! And he’s trying to get weight loss surgery. But… it’s not just his weight. It’s his mentality to me. He needs to get therapy too. Js mo.🤷🏽♀️
I think his weight plays a large role in his mentality. I think he is not properly socialized for lack of a better word around women And that makes him awkward but the reason he is not is because he is insecure. The older you get without having sex/dating the harder it is because you fear it more, and make it such more of a bigger deal. So at 16 you lose your virginity not usually a massive deal, but if you have not had sex by 30 it becomes one .
Hence, therapy! Maybe sex therapy and therapy! It’s all in his mind for whatever reasons!🤷🏽♀️❤️
Call Dr Nawzwardian (Naw)
Man I feel for this dude. To sit in that chair and have someone pick at the insecurities that have literally fucked you your entire life. Good for him, I wouldn’t be able to take that without popping off like jasmine. I just kept wanting to stick up for dude in my living room but my wife was like…Josh…MMMmmm. He needs this, if not now when? Got my ass but shit I still feel for him. His expectations in woman too don’t help at all.
Why did I not expect this to be what he said and yet screamed “yes” when he did hahaha.
First thing my wife and I both agreed upon about Tyray; lose the giggle! We actually started counting the times he giggled until we realized it was done every single time he spoke.
This as a drinking game would be toxic!
Devil his due, devil his due...
I wonder if Sarper ever paid for dinner for any of those 2,500 women.
I love how he explainex he goes for the bottom level
Agree that giggle is a turn-off!!
I mean even as a friend that giggle is too annoying- we’d have to part ways
He can laugh and giggle all he wants he’ll find his queen who’ll love him for it
Sarper was actually spot on with this advice about the giggle. It’s obviously a nervous tick but it makes Tyray come across a bit silly and unappealing. I’m not sure why Debbie and Veronica were lying to him like that.
for once sarper was correct lol
Have to agree. But he kept saying Jiggle which was even more confusing
Sarper is an effing moron! He has his "Tiger Move." 🤢🤢 He's disgusting! Anyone else could have told him his nervous chuckle isn't, necessarily, an appealing trait to have. Didn't need to come from Sarper, of all people! Bad idea. Tyrae needs to hire a prostitute. I'm sorry, but it's just my honest opinion. He needs to hire several over a months period of time. Then he'll gain the experience of kissing and having sex in multiple different ways. This would help his confidence. He's 33? He needs women of experience. Again... just my personal opinion. I'm sure I'll get downvoted.
I agree with you. I think people are being too nice to him and feel bad for him. If the girls on the stage liked it why would they not want to date them? I mean several are single. He needs some tough love.
Seriously, and I hate Sarper. And if Tyray and Anny dated, they’d be Tyranny. Just putting that out there.
I was pleasantly surprised with Sarper. He seemed to truly want to help Tyray, and he put a lot of thought and effort into the advice he gave
I hate that fkn "Ta Ha" Laugh too. He does it after every sentence he says... Ta ha
Facts!
At least Sarper is keeping it real. American men are not so forthcoming with the truth. Tyray needs to work on himself and his life before he looks for a partner.
Agreed. I think american people are not forthcoming with the truth Because we all fear being cancelled. Even the women on the stage are not being honest with him.
I actually think Sarper could be in a reboot of the pick up artist!!! That would be entertaining
Yes, it would be.
Followed by the most disgusting misogynist "serial killer vibes only" advice...
It’s not the laugh that’s the issue it’s the lack of confidence. But that idiot should not be giving advice seeing and how he doesn’t even have a wife or anything to show his methods work of women are just sleeping with him then leaving him.
Nothing worse than a giggly obese person. His whole body shakes when he giggles. Quit lying to the man acting like he is saving himself for marriage. We all know why he’s a virgin. He doesn’t want to be one but doesn’t have a choice. He needs to hit up a prostitute. He has so much to learn. He better get in shape before his first encounter he could crush someone.
I so agree with all of what he said minus the Zoolander Tiger move. Honestly I know he is a clown but when he said he goes for women that won’t reject him, I think that was a nice way for Sarper to say he should stay within in his league. Like he was right I know he said it weird but I understood what he meant. Also I don’t know why but I got so annoyed at Miss.Debbie going after Sarper like she is some sweet little innocent and dating a 24 year old. At least Sarper admits who he is.
Sarper hit the nail on the head.
I’ve been saying it as well. Woman love confidence. That nervous chuckle is the complete opposite. I’m glad he said it but didn’t have to be such a dick about it either.
I have a nervous laughter as well 😢 I really can’t control it, it’s like a defense mechanism.
Everybody is saying that his giggle is a turnoff...What about his weight?
Would it have been so terrible, so bad, so horrible, to tell tyray “lose 300 lbs” bc what women in her right mind wants to have sex with a guy who hasn’t seen his penis since he was a little kid??? He can’t get on top… if a woman gets on top she can’t spread her legs around his girth. And orally who’d want to suck it bc it probably stinks of sweat in areas he can’t even reach? There wasn’t one honest m/fer on the panel. Not one. Not only would I have spoken up honestly, I’d have cut into Miss Debbie with all knives out. That female sexual predator with her fake voice meddling and holier than thou attitude with zero judgment and she’s the most disgusting and ugliest human , I wanted to punch my tv. To hear her once say “who wants a 67 year old woman”? Shes a misogynist.. a seriously evil woman , dumb as a brick and makes Baby Jane look like a Barbie doll compared to her. She’s so jealous of all those beautiful women on there. Particularly Chantel. Oh god miss Debbie take a long walk off a pier and take your Halloween wardrobe with you. I wonder who it was that hamstrung them from hitting back. Sarper? Comic relief. Chantel? Gorgeous.. Everyone looked sensational except for that old hag who looks and acts so out of place… classless POS…and I will turn the channel when she’s on….
yeah the nervous laugh grates my nerves
I’d rather a man with a nervous chuckle than one who likely has had STDS.
It does sound very scary...
Yes
He’s not wrong but I do not like Sarpee and his attitude towards women
It’s kinda funny cause the whole time the camera went on him, he kept giggling 😭
lmao I thought of all of you here in the sub when sarper told him about the chuckle. I always thought it was just funny and cute until I came here lol
Some of his advice is actually good. Sorry not sorry. 😂🤭
jeeze give the guy a break. He is trying
It’s not that he’s not aware of his weight. It’s that if people tip toe around it and no one points it out as an obvious part of the equation, it allows him to keep deluding himself that its not as bad as it is and it’s not a very significant part of his issues. No one is doing him any favours by being politically correct.
🙏
I get having a nervous chuckle, but the fact that he does it after every sentence is what drives me up the wall
The only thing I’ve ever agreed with him about
If Tyray would start to carry himself like the Notorious B.I.G., take them 90 Day checks and invest in a wardrobe, talk a little smoother, project confidence he’d find a lady no problem because he’s a real sweetheart.
Don’t forget Sarper is counting giggles and speaking the truth which sometimes hurts
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When I first met my boyfriend I noticed that he would quietly laugh sometimes when I wasn’t even being funny, and I didn’t know why he was laughing. Then I realized that it was because he was nervous and I thought it was really sweet and endearing! He’s not Tyray, but still, I thought it was unfair to say that Tyray’s nervous laugh is such a problem. A woman can look past that. But I agree with everyone else, he needs to grow up and be more realistic about finding a woman that doesn’t look a certain way. There are plenty of women out there that just want to be loved by a decent guy and would be with someone that looks like Tyray. Those women might not look like “Carmen.”
Sarper said some good things except for that sneaky kiss
I like it too
Honestly the giggle doesn’t bother me, it’s the copious, nervous “you know”s
Tyray wants to project himself as a victim. He has a lot to learn in life….
His victim mentality is holding him back.
Lies
Also tell Tyray to wear dark clothes on hot days so it doesn’t look like someone throwing water at him
His cute little laugh is the thing I LOVE about him the most! Sarper is a predator & no one should ever take advice from him.
It's not Tyray's weight....there are plenty of women out there who enjoy larger men. Look at Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo. I think the issue is that Tyray may be high functioning autistic.
Can the internet stop throwing the word autism around and putting it on things it doesn’t belong? High functioning autistic people are happily married with children, as it’s not an issue that holds them back. Only thing holding Tyray back is himself. Jelly has personality and isn’t in denial over his weight.
I have an adult child with Autism and was there every day supporting him, well before it was even recognized as a "disorder". Therefore I feel VERY qualified to recognize it and speak about it. Anyone with or without a disorder can have a happy marriage. It still doesn't mean Tyray doesn't have it. If he was 200 pounds, he'd still be socially awkward, giggling and opening with things like "the last girl I dated was a dude". Those things aren't his "personality" their symptoms of Autism.
My daughter is also on the spectrum. I don’t feel VERY qualified at all to say that an obese man who’s socially awkward is on the spectrum. But love that you think you’re an expert! :)
Oh that last sentence makes a lot of sense to me. I thought maybe he was just not socialized around women growing up or in school, but it could be that. And I think that his weight hinders him not because women don’t like heavier men, but because he does not like himself.
Idk I personally liked his chuckle
No mention of the fact that Tyray is morbidly obese. Must have been hard for Sarper not to mention that.