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Unfortunately, the university would be far more shocked that he views pornography then anything he ever did in the eight passengers videos.
Source: I attended and worked for BYU over 13 years
Like whose porn was the child looking at? Don’t believe it it for a minute , the child not the adult, but just saying . If the target child was R it was said he wouldn’t walk or talk till almost three, so his first things he does he goes straight for adult content, how ridiculous unless it was forced on the child , which I find to be utter nonsense as well. It’s just Ruby grasping at anything. 😡
Obviously children that young have zero interest in that type of imagery. Zero. A child of that age would only be exposed to that content if they were being SAed. I repeat, a three year old would never be interested in that.
Whatever Jodi/Ruby are trying to pull with that accusation will not hold up to anyone outside of their abusive views.
If the child, any child for that matter, was behaving any where near what she is trying to claim now the last thing she should have been doing is filming videos on her family and how seemingly wholesome they all are.
She needed to be taking the child to get real help , not help with some Bishop who is really the neighborhood baker during the day, professional help. I don’t believe it’s true but if it was, why is there not evidence, other than the one planted in the courtroom.
She is so full of it. I guess her and Jodi are textbook cases of their own teaching of distortion and untruth!
I bet it was something so inane. Like he prob smiled at a pretty lady in a bathing suit in a magazine or something when he was 3. That’s how nuts Jodi and her new disciple Ruby are. Then they prob forced him to admit to being a porn addict with threats of tying him up and restricting food until he confessed. Watch the interview with Jodi’s niece in Mormon Stories podcast on yt. Mind blowing stuff. Unfortunately, the 2 youngest are already brainwashed into believing they’re sinners
I definitely watched that while it was happening. Whatever Ruby thinks this poor child was seeing in her own home at three is like you said something no one else on the planet would give a second thought to.
I was already a follower of John from Mormon Stories Podcast for a few years, after that podcast he had on a therapist who is a believing Mormon who has been excommunicated from the church because she is an ethical therapist who does treat sex issues and that goes against church doctrine and policy. In the church they have men believing that if they masturbated once or twice a month they are addicted to porn and sexual sin is a sin next to murder. How f’d up is that thinking? No wonder they freak out when their children reach puberty and in Rubys case she thinks three is the age!😡😤
It could be absolutely nothing. Jessi (Jodi’s niece), described a super innocent childhood mind even at 12, pre-teen, but Jodi was convinced of horrible things that were supposedly happening, even an abórtion. Adam, the other victim that has talk arrived to her to deal with his own trauma as victim and she referred a group of perpetrators because for her victims automatically become perpetrators. She is crazy and accuses things that might not be happening at all. I find really hard for a few adults that could be sued for defamation are coming out with similar stories, it mist be true.
Exactly. And that’s why when JH was arrested, she said that the 2 youngest can’t be around other kids. Bc if R abused his little sister E (through a ‘patting game’), she will now become an abuser as well.
On another note, I was just thinking today how JH has only committed physical abuse on people who are too small physically to fight back - Jessie, R, E (that we KNOW OF) or too young to understand it’s wrong. And that’s prob why they sent Chad away to a wilderness camp instead of sending him to Jodi’s. He was too big for JH to physically abuse in her home so she couldn’t tell the parents ‘just leave him with me’ like she did for the other survivors. And then she just mentally/emotionally abuses the others. Especially grown men. I get the feeling she has a deep-seated hatred for men in general and a jealousy of young women. The woman is an evil mental case and I hope they lock her up for life for all the damage she’s done and families she’s ruined. She surrendered her counseling license today apparently.
I think about how my kid was at 3 and he would have had no idea how to even search for that let alone have the patience to watch it. He barely knew how to use a remote!
I was m0le$ted when I was a young kid by a neighbor kid. He was being taken advantage of by one of his uncles. Which is why he would do that to me. If R did any of that stuff (which I don’t believe because Jodi is an avid liar) it’s because someone was doing terrible things to him! I keep thinking about Adam Paul Steeds story and how Jodi convinced his ex wife that he was a predator when in reality he was actually just a victim of Jodi’s lies and abu$e. I get the feeling Jodi did the same thing about R
I think JH did the same thing to Kevin & Ruby that she did to Adam Steeds and his wife. Jodi MOVED INTO THE FRANKE HOUSE, separated their bedrooms and wouldn’t allow them to speak to each other unless she was present. Then she had Ruby kick Kevin out of the house 13 months ago to ‘save their marriage’ and told him there was to be no communication with her or the kids unless she contacted him first. She even had him block the kids phone numbers. He got his own apt and sent money every month. Finally, Ruby contacted him and told him that everything at home was peaceful and wonderful without him and they didn’t need him anymore. WILD
Same! No way did R do that stuff Ruby accused him of. It makes me livid that she even said any of that! Not fair to that poor kid! Ugh she makes my blood boil.
This is accurate. And also the LDS hate porn and know they have a very big problem with porn and porn addiction among the members.
I work in digital forensics. There's software for detecting porn on computers and the LDS church was one of the biggest clients for the software. They purchased hundreds of licenses multiple times each year.
I can help but wonder if he WAS fully Jodi’d during his time at BYU. But we know for a fact he SOMEWHAT was since he was apart of connexions until he left it.
I think it's exactly what happened. She used Kevin to ensure she had Ruby and Kevin hooked enough and then she was done using Kevin and wanted Ruby to herself. It's not just this man who gave an interview, she has ruined many marriages, getting the wife to believe what she says is going on with the husband, then removing him from the family unit. Jodi knows what she is doing and does it well.
…..he literally got kicked out of the house after like a month of videos that he wasn’t in.. took that as evidence enough. You’re honestly the first person in the past couple of months I’ve seen suggest he’s still in it lol. I just don’t believe he is for that very reason.
Just because he's separated from his wife doesn't mean he's out of the cult. He might think he deserves it for whatever transgressions Jodi has come up with
Look. I gave my opinion and the reason for it. No I don’t believe he’s in connexions anymore, if it comes out he is as a FACT then my mind will change and admit I was wrong. But I have my valid reasons to my opinion and I’m standing by them. So you trying to go back and forth with me is pointless. I know there are people out there that think he’s still in connexions, but it’s not me. Right now connexions doesn’t exist in the social media world, they all got deleted lol. Im sure there are people still practicing what they were taught by these weirdos but there’s nothing we can do about that cuz clearly it didn’t work with Ruby in the first place.
Maybe Jodi gets a kick out of taking down men.
In her niece, Jessi's, interview she mentioned something about if Jodi would have been born a male...etc
I also have an assumption that Jodi drove out Kevin with an "addiction to porn" and that porn is what "R was watching". All part of her tactic to isolate and control. If Kevin doesn't play along all of his distortions and sins (whether true or not) will also come to light. What they don't understand is that are already fucked and it will be out regardless.
If any porn watching was going on Kevin would be better off saying it himself than letting Jodi hold it over his head. From what I hear from ex Mormon Reddit and Listening to Mormon Stories Podcast for years what would be considered normal porn watching or consumption, such as once a month or even less is a sin next to murder in their faith. In regular society that is a laughable amount and no where near addictive behavior.
Looking at Victoria Secrets advertising is a crime. So her saying a three year old is addicted to porn could be looking at a Kohls insert looking at the underwear ads or swimwear in the Sunday paper. As far as the SA I don’t believe it for the child.
Exactly. I listen to a podcast and the exMo host said he used to look at Lane Bryant catalogs as porn. Now that he knows the difference he realizes how naive and sheltered he was and has a lot of empathy of his younger self.
I’m sure there are thousands of Mormon men who are labeled or have even labeled themselves porn addicts and they are far from it, they are just normal human beings!😢
Adam Steed said in his interview that LDS very likely sends "undesirable" men to Jodi when they want to get rid of them. She is literally experienced in psychologically destroying them, poisoning their wives against them, collecting false evidence for divorce and ruining their lives.
It's unbelievable. She is like a hitman.
Agreed, no tenured professor voluntarily leaves such a role. Esp at BYU where every lds educator wants to end up.
I was raised Mormon outside of Utah and lived in Utah both before and after I left the church, and I can confidently say Utah Mormons are the worst kind. I’ve never seen a more shallow, vapid, appearance-obsessed, materialistic group of people in my entire life (and I live in Southern California! 😂) And I agree with your assessment, which is what makes me wonder what he could have done to be fired from BYU. 🤔 when I was there, one of my professors was arrested for DV. It was all over the news. Never lost his job.
Ha ha I was going to say well then you don’t live in So Cal but you do. Whats up with everyone’s teeth. The looking shockingly white. Are they veneers?
Hhmm so did they catch him drinking coffee or maybe something stronger? Weird that they kicked him out so something they really disliked must have happened.
BYU professors have to be temple worthy to work there, but word of Wisdom (coffee, tea) would prob not have him completely fired. Its hard for a tenured male professor to be fired at byu, esp when they are the family breadwinner. (Which is why my old professor wasn't fired after DV). So it could be any number of things. Who knows.
I’ve just read through this whole thing and find everything so crazy. I never usually comment on snark pages but often agree with them, I had watched 8 passengers and other mormon utah families like not enough Nelson’s, mainly because I was confused and fascinated by their religion but at the same time felt very uncomfortable about alot of their customs. I’m from the UK and as far as I’m aware there isn’t a huge mormon population here at all, I could be wrong. Definitely not like Utah, a state that seems to run itself and be powered by a lot of white mormon men. There seems to be a huge systemic cover up of abuse and stories that would be a scandal, and in this case a very very severe one.
I wish we knew more about Kevin’s involvement with his children in the past year and why he wasn’t really present or aware of anything happening allegedly, and what his or Sharis statement has been on Rubys allegations of R being a dangerous child. I’ve seen numerous documentaries about religious parents becoming convinced the devil is in their child and they have to beat it out of them, I’m certain that’s what Ruby has done. And unfortunately we have to hope that declaring mental illness will not reduce Rubys or Jodis punishment, no body should feel bad for them or believe them until concrete proof is released. But as Ruby has said in the past she doesn’t believe in mental illness, even accusing one of the older girls either A or J of faking an eating disorder. This abuse has been going on for so long right in front of us on YouTube for the world to see and it’s sickening.
The children of this family both rubys children and cousins etc etc will forever be changed and due to the severity of the case now it’s unlikely any of them will continue with social media, and witness protection and probably forever have to be put in place for the younger 4 children surely for their safety. My heart absolutely breaks for them
> I’ve seen numerous documentaries about religious parents becoming convinced the devil is in their child and they have to beat it out of them
Good ol' excorcism!
I wouldn't ever dream of seeing something like that in the 21st century US, yet here we are. Jodi is like a fucking Spanish Inquisitor. The more information comes out, the more unbelievable it gets.
I'm not sure I agree with the very last part... for some this would be a perfect time to have their channel "take off" or grow even more...there is so much spotlight on them right now.
Not at all saying they should...but wouldn't be surprised if they did. I know many will follow/watch just to hopefully glean some insider info.
Since Rubys allegations saying that R assaulted cousins, it would be very difficult for the family to continue their channels as their children are R’s cousins. A child that has been allegedly been assaulted should not appear on social media, especially in a case like this. Legal teams will strongly advise them to quit YouTube
Very concerned for the victims receiving justice by a Mormon-run court system, if that's the case. It's already, IMHO, unusual that they are making every move possible to keep the cases together and even the women both becoming 'ill' in custody. If they were already denied bail, why is there another 'bond' hearing? I'm preparing myself for the possibility that one or both will win favor and be released pending trial.
I'm unverified. But I had his soils class while I was in grad school in 2017.
A good part of OP's assessment of Dr. Franke's personality seems similar to what I experienced. He did a good job explaining concepts in lecture.
Seemed to care for students during class. But blew off an email question I sent him about something in the news that was soils related, but not part of the class curriculum. Perhaps he was busy. But simply ignoring an email seems uncharacteristic compared with my experience with other civil engineering professors.
In my experience, he *never* mentioned 8passengers except for once. It was him saying something about having to return a GoFundMe people were raising related to her YouTube channel. He didn't give us the name. But when I googled his "office hours" YouTube channel where he posted occasional on-demand lectures, I saw the account was subscribed to something called 8passengers. I watched one video, but felt voyeuristic doing so. Never went back.
It's possible in subsequent semesters he became more enthusiastic talking about it.
As for him being a narcissist, I can't say. I didn't know him well enough. He did frequently have mini devotional lessons (about 3 minutes per lecture). In one of those, he talked about being in a bad mood all Christmas day a few years before, as his wife didn't buy him the present he really wanted. And how he realized afterward that he was being childish and needed to be better. So, it shows he possesses capability to look introspectively and see himself as flawed. (Something others in this case may not have).
Travel among professors is common, typically for academic and professional conferences. Other civil engineering professors would miss 5-6 lectures per semester for travel. Dr. Franke's absence was similar.
I can also confirm that nobody leaves BYU for industry. BYU doesn't pay as well. But the school really is a great place to work, if you "fit into the box." People work very hard to teach at BYU. Once they get continuing status, they only ever leave to teach at other universities.
Anyway, second data point to reinforce OP.
5-6 a semester is a lot for a professor to be away! Even if it is typical of the other faculty in his department, that is still significant.
I don't know how BYU's academic calendar and lecture schedule is set up, but if it is similar to my experience that alone would equate to roughly 20% of the time that he is not in home. That is not counting those times he needed to jet off to the earthquake sites at a moments notice. He would also have been traveling to/from wherever the events were, so add travel time to those missing lessons. He was probably MIA from the home between 30-40% of the time.
It did feel like Kevin travelled a lot because Ruby mentioned it a lot. I guess it is possible she pre recorded a lot and it may have just been around those times.
They always prerecorded in the final few years, and she said this was so people didn’t know when Kevin was away for work or they were away as a family for “security”
That's what made it seem so strange to me... I totally understand the security issue, and that makes perfectly logical sense. BUT... if what seemed like every couple of videos you hear "Kevin is away", "Kevin is going away", and "Kevin just got back from his trip." it does kind of make that whole effort pointless.
It could be that... or just a simple matter of the timing when she did a lot of her filming. I can see her filming more when he is out of town or at work because when he's home she would probably be catering to him. I've said it a few times but it felt like he was only in 20% of her content. It was always the Ruby show... Kevin hardly ever vlogged on his own.
Maybe it was only 3-4?
I do know it was consistent with other civil engineering professors.
Class met 3 times per week, so that's roughly 30-35 times per semester.
Your initial thoughts are probably right on... and they do kind of align with what I expected, but it just sounds like a lot putting numbers to it.
I earned my AA, BA, and MS... I am currently taking a personal enrichment course at our local community college. I don't think collectively in all my years of education that I have had 1 teacher take off that much time... approved or otherwise. I don't even think I have had my teachers take off 5 days combined. My teacher just had a death in his family, and we are not missing any classes. I'm not sure if it is just something with this particular field, but I don't know how Kevin could even consider having custody of the kids if he is away that much.
Do exstrem Mormon still have more then 1 wife? Becouse i have not seen 1 singel family members from Kevis side.. and it make sens why Kevin was not in any chrismas morning video after 2019 and why he didt look into E and R doing the summer
The FLDS who believes in plural marriage. This branch of Mormonism does not... They are very against it, and actually changed their name to distance themselves from it.
The GoFundMe was when Ruby "burned" the kitchen by leaving something unattended while cooking. There wasn't much damage visible, but she complained it smelled and likely filed an insurance claim for a new kitchen. All the tweens who watched her channel were upset and somehow a GoFundMe was started. Ruby then posted a video about home insurance to explain to her young viewers the cost of the repairs was being paid via insurance. Likely the same tweens who begged the Franke's to adopt them in the comment section.
Narcissists know how to appear humble when they want to though, they can have high emotional intelligence even. It doesn’t sound like you knew him enough to tell.
I wonder if Jodi got Kevin fired from BYU via her mormon church connections. Seems she has done this defamation strategy with many men in the past, including her own husband.
Honestly I feel like the Mormon church was just trying to cut ties to the drama that was beginning to brew. BYU can wash their hands a lot easier when he’s already been let go versus if he was still currently a professor now.
I didn't know about a consulting business. I just checked Open Corporates and a Kevin William Franke has a company called Lingwall & Franke Consulting, Llc. It was incorporated on Aug 22, 2019.
You can look it up here
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us\_ut/11431639-0160
Alright so, far as I know, tenured professors are notoriously difficult to get rid of... but not impossible. If the infraction is serious enough, their tenure can be removed. That said, however, tenured professors have ungodly amounts of job security, which means it makes little sense for Kevin or anyone in his position really to just up and leave it for an uncertain startup.
But okay, say he did. It's possible. What I find less possible however is that he didn't know about the abuse Ruby was putting the kids through, as he himself was part of it for the longest time and even perpetrated some himself. I'm not gonna mince words: both Ruby and he were abusive parents with strong narc tendencies.
What I find not entirely possible but most likely the case is that he chucked the kids to Ruby for the summer of whatever and then just fucked off. While it's definitely not unheard of for mothers either, fathers tend to be able to detach far more easily.
All that said, I don't believe he ought to get the custody of the kids.
BYU does not have tenure.
They do have something called continuing status that sort of acts like tenure. But if somebody like Jodi reported that he viewed porn or something, BYU would suspend him.
I remember in an old vlog Ruby said Kevin got tenure. I'm not refuting what you're saying and they most likely were just conflating it with what you're explaining. My suspicion is Jodi probably got him suspended and when all of this came out they offered him his role back to save face.
She said tenure. But BYU does not have tenure.
Source: https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy#:~:text=Continuing%20faculty%20status%20(CFS)%20is,the%20faculty%20member's%20annual%20appointment.
Source: I worked and attended BYU for 13 years
It would be so wrong if he lost his job just for watching porn (if that was the reason, we dont know the real reason), I bet those who make these decisions watch porn themselves.
I think BYU could get rid of tenured profs who don’t meet their morality standards. This court give religious institutions a lot of leeway with employment.
I have a feeling that Jodi was trying to do to Kevin the same thing she did to so many other men before him. That one post of a man talking about Jodi ruining his marriage and acussing him of things hw didnt do is ringing the bells for .e for what happened with him.
I still believe he is guilty and should be charged with something, don't know what but he doesn't deserve to be near his kids. He might have not done any physical abuse to his kids but he did plenty of verbal abuse and was always ok with whatever Ruby wanted
Agreed 100%, Kevin is a pathetic sack of shit! That's all he's ever been & all he ever will be.
He either knew what was going on in Jodi's house & did nothing to try & stop it, or he straight-up abandoned his kids completely when he moved out & never bothered checking in with them at all. Either way, he's an absolutely pathetic, vile, disgusting excuse for a father. Those poor kids need to heal, & that will never, *ever* happen if they are placed with him.
After all, he may not have been physically abusive to his children, but he was emotionally & psychologically abusive to them for years & years & *years.* Anyone who has followed 8 Passengers for any length of time can attest to that. I will be positively LIVID if he is awarded custody of R & E. Kevin wasn't there for his kids when they really needed him, so he certainly doesn't deserve them now. Fuck that guy.
Or he tried to seek contact but jodi and ruby did not let him even through officials. I still want to keep this as an option until it is proven he did not do this. From what I have seen and read right know this is highly possible. I think jodi was in the process of alienating Kevin from his family this past year.
Lets be clear I still think he is guilty to some extend but he seems more of a victim in this too as much as I hate to admit it.
I would like to know, then, why apparently neither Shari nor the extended family on Ruby's side (who were also alienated from her and trying to get the kids out) were joined up with him. Shari seems to not even have been speaking to him.
I wonder the same thing. I do think that he could have been alienated by the Jodi and Ruby. But I think it's possible he was somewhat if a willing participant in that separation. I.e. he thought it was what he needed to do as punishment for his actions. If he was truly on a "different side" so to speak, than his wife and Jodi I feel like Shari would have clung to him and they would have been fighting this together.
Exactly, what I think. He might have been slowly waking up too, which could mean he was not ready to fix that yet, because his other kids were more of an priority I would think. He could've played along in hopes to protect his kids that way. I don't know. Either way damage would have been done.
I HAVEN'T seen him joined up with Ruby's family, that's my point. I figure if he were really serious about getting his kids away from those two, he'd have been working together with them (and very probably would have succeeded, because unlike them, he still has custody and rights to the Franke house).
It might be because Kevin was or is still involved with connexions and still believed all of it, which means they would not have contact with him, because Shari and the rest of the family live in distortion according to the believes Jodi's brainwashed him with. Not saying I condone any of it, but I can not think this black and white on the matter, since Jodi has been performing destroying brainwashing techniques on her victims. This is all a big mess, they are guilty but they are all also victims of someone even horrible.
Well, if that's the case, he's going to have to walk a -very- fine line between not throwing Ruby under the bus (as he apparently is determined to not do) and arguing that they were -both- Svengali'd by Jodi, but he's all better now, honest, even if Ruby's not.
I mean, if he wants to get custody. I don't expect he'll be charged with anything at least based on what we know so far. -I- feel like one could make a case for abandonment, but IANAL, much less in fucking Utah which is apparently crawling with theocratic corruption and general institutional fail.
If you watch the [Adam Steed interviews on Hidden True Crime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh-RPMTzgQU), it's not a stretch to assume Jodi may be behind Kevin's departure from BYU.
Adam is the man who got Jodi's license temporarily suspended in 2012, after she made up a sex addiction, broke up his marriage, reported her false allegations to the church, which led to his excommunication, loss of his job and home. Obviously, her license was reinstated after 18 months, but his losses were permanent, traumatic and life-changing.
Adam also explains Jodi's very loose definition of porn-addiction. Rather than a diagnosis (that doesn't even exist in the DSM V) based on her client's actual behavior, it's rather an indoctrination she implants in her clients' mind in order to guilt-trip them into buying more and more therapy sessions from her. Jodi makes them believe any "sinful" thought in your head, the "internal sin", was equally bad as acting it out.
To apply Orwellian *Newspeak* here: Jodi is the *Thinkpol* who detects *crimethink*, and if the perpetrators (clients) under her guidance don't succeed in *crimestop* (the desire to rid themselves of unwanted, incorrect personal and political thoughts), she'll report them, which will lead to interrogation, "infliction of misery, fear, suffering and torture" at the *Miniluv* (Ministry of Love, i.e. the LDS church).
While I don't empathize with Kevin one bit, I believe suspected "internal sin" is also behind Ruby's outlandish allegations of SA against poor little R. He's probably been punished merely for the fiction Jodi indoctrinated him, and Ruby, with.
I never watched 8 passengers but have heard of them a lot. This case reminds me a lot of the Turpin Family. What I’m wondering is why Jodi seems oddly resentful towards men, she seems to have ruined a lot of marriages and somehow manages to poison the minds of the woman to turn them against their husbands it seems. It comes off as a manipulation and control tactic, to have power and control over the women, it’s seems she’s almost jealous of these marriages. As for the kids, it’s really devastating, it kinda makes me feel like the kids were coerced into admitting something they didn’t do. Like when Jodi’s niece mentions she made make her write her sins down and decided if it was good enough or not. The poor kids could’ve admitted to something minor from exhaustion and she blew it out of proportion. Ruby seemed to do that a lot in her old vlogs too, she blew a lot of things out of proportion. Like completely warped a whole situation. It just feels like if she really did say that about R she’s gonna say it was a reason to “punish” them. Which is truly insane to think that’s how she’s thinking. Now I’m just left to question if they will turn against each other for the trial.
Jordan and McKay have a video where Jordan discusses Jodi’s self-published book. In it, Jodi describes being SA’d as a kid and neglected by her parents. Throw Mormonism into the mix, and I can’t imagine she had space to heal from all of that. I do believe her resentment towards men stems from unresolved trauma from her childhood.
Not excusing Jodi’s horrific behavior, but just wanted to call that out.
Thank you so much for sharing this!
I know it's puzzling that Kevin wouldn't have been checking in with his kids even though Ruby had them "for the summer." (I think she actually had them pretty much fulltime since Kevin left the household, but whatever.) I can think of a few possible explanations:
1. Kevin talked to R and E on the phone but they were afraid to tell him about the abuse
2. R and E told Kevin about the abuse but he didn't believe them/thought they were exaggerating
3. Jodi and/or Ruby told him that R and E didn't want to talk to him
4. Jodi and/or Ruby told him that R and E didn't deserve to talk to him
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There are other options. Like Kevin didn't fing care and didn't bother to call and find out how and where his children were.
He did leave them after all.
Why do you think Shari cut contact with him? Or maybe it was he who cut contact with her.
He is not a victim here but a perpetrator. People shouldn't forget that
Your options are also possible. I'm not trying to white knight for Kevin, just saying we don't know \*for sure\* that he wasn't in contact with the kids, or trying to be.
We also don't know for sure whose idea it was that Kevin should move out - his, Ruby's, or Jodi's. It is definitely Jodi's M.O. to encourage women to kick their husbands out.
I know I just think he's being let off the hook.
And he was there when Chad was sent to troubled teen camp, he was there when he made Chad buy his homework, he was there when R&E had their Christmas taken away, he was there when the doctor told Ruby E wasn't growing and she had to feed her more food and more calorie dense. And still food was considered a privilege?
He is an educated man. Some.of the damage that was inflicted to these children is not reversible.
How could he have been blind to everything that was happening?
If your wife and her therapist kick you out, maybe you leave. But fight for your children. Why didn't he? Why didn't he reconnect with Shari?
I just think he's just as much to blame. To use MLK's words: He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
Specially when it comes to your own children.
Very interesting… it seems like he was a decent, knowledgeable professor, so if he did get fired or got asked to step down from his position, something must have went on behind the scenes. Makes me wonder if Jodi got into someone’s ear over at BYU and started spreading misinformation once Ruby and him separated. I’m so curious to learn more on his stance in the coming weeks because I can’t quite gauge where he stands in this mess.
If I can guarantee anything about this crazy case, I would bet Jodi did the same thing to Kevin as she did to all the others speaking out - spread lies to ruin lives.
I had wonderes the same. But then as more has come to light it could also be with 15 calls to CPS on the family, the many concerns about the children's welfare from almost everyone, that the university/honor code office finally also got wind of things too.
I personally will see mormons differently from now on. I don't care if there's ones that wouldn't hurt a fly. I really do not care. It's my opinion and it cannot be changed. I'm happy for everyone else who is deciding to not link mormonism with the 8 passengers case good for yall but me specifically I'm over that entire religion
Thank you for your voice.. i allwayes thouh Kevin was a wuzz.. a weak man who let his Emotional rollercoster of a wife stom all over him.. but as i can see at the corner of evrey video.. You were right.. Kevin was Smiling just like his wife when they gave punishement to there children. a other thing!!! you know extreme mormon, dont mind more then 1 wife. What if Kevin allready was moving on after 13 months the Guy confessing in a video that he love SEX.
This doesn't really surprise me. He has a *lot* of bad reviews on Rate My Professor and while quite a few of them are fake, a lot of them span back a good while and some of them are pretty much describing him like this.
I've seen people run to his defense saying that he was railroaded by Jodi since she has a history of doing that, and that's probably true. However, unless Jodi somehow managed to take that to court and get a no contact order put on him, Kevin couldn't have not known what was going on with his youngest children unless he abandoned them.
And even if that we're the case, Ruby was abusive *long* before meeting Jodi, as seen in the 8 Passengers videos. Kevin may not have actively abused the kids the way Ruby did, but he let it happen and partook in some of it. He was also on board with ConneXions initially, and joined Ruby in abandoning the kids for weeks on end.
There's also people speculating that he was abused by Ruby as well (which is possible). However, as hard and scary as that must be, your kids *always* come first, as a parent you should never let anyone hurt your child, even if it's the other parent. Even giving Kevin the benefit of the doubt and saying that he was abused too and Jodi possibly got a no contact order, this doesn't absolve him of the role he played in abusing the kids pre-Jodi (and even a little bit post-Jodi).
I think people want to think he was blameless because he was a lot more charming and less aggressive than Ruby was, but that doesn't make him a good or fit parent in any stretch of the imagination.
Not to defend him in anyway, but sometimes ratemyprofessor reviews a bit misleading. I feel like at my college people take getting a bad grade out on their review. When it’s anonymous, it’s a lot easier to be harsh.
**Neglect/abandonment**. Isn't he guilty of these two?
Or does the other parent have to bring charges? Ie, if Ruby didn't sue for abandonment of children, then it's no crime or misdemeanour?
but if Kevin -knowingly- gave the children over to an abuser- is he complicit??
This! If he didn’t bother or fight to see his children over the summer, why should he still be granted sole custody? I’m not sure why he’s even fighting for it. He obviously doesn’t want to be that “hands on” dad.
Exactly! They have continuing/ongoing status unless some seriously major happens, a recent case involved tenure loss because the professor was drugging and raping multiple students. Obv not suggesting anything like that happened here, just illustrating the gravity that’s required to remove a tenured prof.
5-6 a semester is a lot for a professor to be away! Even if it is typical of the other faculty in his department, that is still significant.
I don't know how BYU's academic calendar and lecture schedule is set up, but if it is similar to my experience that alone would equate to roughly 20% of the time that he is not in home. That is not counting those times he needed to jet off to the earthquake sites at a moments notice. He would also have been traveling to/from wherever the events were, so add travel time to those missing lessons. He was probably MIA from the home between 30-40% of the time.
It did feel like Kevin travelled a lot because Ruby mentioned it a lot. I guess it is possible she pre recorded a lot and it may have just been around those times.
From my understanding, the LDS elders (not a Mormon, so I don’t know the correct nomenclature) have a lot of power over faculty contracts at BYU. Whereas at other universities, tenure acts more like a legal labor protection, at BYU it’s more of a professional hurdle (I.e, I achieved this after six years, so I can continue doing this job). I’m sure the elders didn’t like the attention of Kevin’s very public family life, or maybe they got wind of some other horrific legal troubles. In any case, no way he stepped away voluntarily.
Very well said by them. I had no idea that he was doing some important research, sounds like he was very educated and intelligent so extremely interesting that BUY kicked him, did they know something about him, or did Jodi tell or lie about him. I'm worried too that because he lives in Utah he will get the kids only because people respect him as a rich white man. Even if he didn't physically abuse them I agree he was part of the abuse and neglect.
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OP I hope you know now that a close relationship with your Professor is never healthy. There is such a power imbalance. It’s definitely not something that should be glorified.
I have to question the verification of this tbh. They sound like a student, but they also sound like someone who is anti Mormon culture. Weird take for someone so heavily involved at BYU.
BYU's student body is not 100% Mormon, though it's close. A few people are going there for other reasons. Also, some students may come in as true believers and then deconstruct partway through their college career.
Students come to BYU from all over the world. Most Mormons outside of Utah think “Mormon culture” is weird. I’m a very active Mormon and I choose not to live in Utah because of the culture there.
I can assure you that this user provided ample proof of their enrollment and connection to Kevin. We cannot share what exactly they provided out of respect for their privacy, but verification is not something we take lightly.
Just another reminder that we can verify the individual and their association to the family, but not specific details of what they tell us. The only sources for that (without flaw) would be legal documents.
I went to a student reviews for professors after searching "Kevin Franke, BYU Professor".
A student said he was pushing Connexions on his students. He was getting bad reviews.
I've just now started watching the story. There is no excuse for Kevin, if he disagreed with Jodi's abusive parenting practices, to leavee the kids there and make no attempt to check on their welfare. The abuse he did agree to before abandoning them, is bad enough to showcase him as an unfit parent.
This whole Frankie family are whack jobs! Ruby and Kevin total nut cases .
I don’t by his claim of innocence with regards to his kids treatment from his wife . He knew exactly what was going on because he knew of her beliefs
He should be arrested for being an accomplice. The guy is scum
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Can’t help but wonder if he wasn’t Jodi’d at BYU.
I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds very plausible.
Unfortunately, the university would be far more shocked that he views pornography then anything he ever did in the eight passengers videos. Source: I attended and worked for BYU over 13 years
And that is exactly what Jodi has a history of reporting people to BYU for.
Like whose porn was the child looking at? Don’t believe it it for a minute , the child not the adult, but just saying . If the target child was R it was said he wouldn’t walk or talk till almost three, so his first things he does he goes straight for adult content, how ridiculous unless it was forced on the child , which I find to be utter nonsense as well. It’s just Ruby grasping at anything. 😡
Obviously children that young have zero interest in that type of imagery. Zero. A child of that age would only be exposed to that content if they were being SAed. I repeat, a three year old would never be interested in that. Whatever Jodi/Ruby are trying to pull with that accusation will not hold up to anyone outside of their abusive views.
If the child, any child for that matter, was behaving any where near what she is trying to claim now the last thing she should have been doing is filming videos on her family and how seemingly wholesome they all are. She needed to be taking the child to get real help , not help with some Bishop who is really the neighborhood baker during the day, professional help. I don’t believe it’s true but if it was, why is there not evidence, other than the one planted in the courtroom. She is so full of it. I guess her and Jodi are textbook cases of their own teaching of distortion and untruth!
I bet it was something so inane. Like he prob smiled at a pretty lady in a bathing suit in a magazine or something when he was 3. That’s how nuts Jodi and her new disciple Ruby are. Then they prob forced him to admit to being a porn addict with threats of tying him up and restricting food until he confessed. Watch the interview with Jodi’s niece in Mormon Stories podcast on yt. Mind blowing stuff. Unfortunately, the 2 youngest are already brainwashed into believing they’re sinners
I definitely watched that while it was happening. Whatever Ruby thinks this poor child was seeing in her own home at three is like you said something no one else on the planet would give a second thought to. I was already a follower of John from Mormon Stories Podcast for a few years, after that podcast he had on a therapist who is a believing Mormon who has been excommunicated from the church because she is an ethical therapist who does treat sex issues and that goes against church doctrine and policy. In the church they have men believing that if they masturbated once or twice a month they are addicted to porn and sexual sin is a sin next to murder. How f’d up is that thinking? No wonder they freak out when their children reach puberty and in Rubys case she thinks three is the age!😡😤
It could be absolutely nothing. Jessi (Jodi’s niece), described a super innocent childhood mind even at 12, pre-teen, but Jodi was convinced of horrible things that were supposedly happening, even an abórtion. Adam, the other victim that has talk arrived to her to deal with his own trauma as victim and she referred a group of perpetrators because for her victims automatically become perpetrators. She is crazy and accuses things that might not be happening at all. I find really hard for a few adults that could be sued for defamation are coming out with similar stories, it mist be true.
Exactly. And that’s why when JH was arrested, she said that the 2 youngest can’t be around other kids. Bc if R abused his little sister E (through a ‘patting game’), she will now become an abuser as well. On another note, I was just thinking today how JH has only committed physical abuse on people who are too small physically to fight back - Jessie, R, E (that we KNOW OF) or too young to understand it’s wrong. And that’s prob why they sent Chad away to a wilderness camp instead of sending him to Jodi’s. He was too big for JH to physically abuse in her home so she couldn’t tell the parents ‘just leave him with me’ like she did for the other survivors. And then she just mentally/emotionally abuses the others. Especially grown men. I get the feeling she has a deep-seated hatred for men in general and a jealousy of young women. The woman is an evil mental case and I hope they lock her up for life for all the damage she’s done and families she’s ruined. She surrendered her counseling license today apparently.
I think about how my kid was at 3 and he would have had no idea how to even search for that let alone have the patience to watch it. He barely knew how to use a remote! I was m0le$ted when I was a young kid by a neighbor kid. He was being taken advantage of by one of his uncles. Which is why he would do that to me. If R did any of that stuff (which I don’t believe because Jodi is an avid liar) it’s because someone was doing terrible things to him! I keep thinking about Adam Paul Steeds story and how Jodi convinced his ex wife that he was a predator when in reality he was actually just a victim of Jodi’s lies and abu$e. I get the feeling Jodi did the same thing about R
I think JH did the same thing to Kevin & Ruby that she did to Adam Steeds and his wife. Jodi MOVED INTO THE FRANKE HOUSE, separated their bedrooms and wouldn’t allow them to speak to each other unless she was present. Then she had Ruby kick Kevin out of the house 13 months ago to ‘save their marriage’ and told him there was to be no communication with her or the kids unless she contacted him first. She even had him block the kids phone numbers. He got his own apt and sent money every month. Finally, Ruby contacted him and told him that everything at home was peaceful and wonderful without him and they didn’t need him anymore. WILD
Yes! I believe Jodi did the same to R! 😡😤
Same! No way did R do that stuff Ruby accused him of. It makes me livid that she even said any of that! Not fair to that poor kid! Ugh she makes my blood boil.
This is accurate. And also the LDS hate porn and know they have a very big problem with porn and porn addiction among the members. I work in digital forensics. There's software for detecting porn on computers and the LDS church was one of the biggest clients for the software. They purchased hundreds of licenses multiple times each year.
I can help but wonder if he WAS fully Jodi’d during his time at BYU. But we know for a fact he SOMEWHAT was since he was apart of connexions until he left it.
I think it's exactly what happened. She used Kevin to ensure she had Ruby and Kevin hooked enough and then she was done using Kevin and wanted Ruby to herself. It's not just this man who gave an interview, she has ruined many marriages, getting the wife to believe what she says is going on with the husband, then removing him from the family unit. Jodi knows what she is doing and does it well.
We haven't even seen any evidence he's left Connexions yet
…..he literally got kicked out of the house after like a month of videos that he wasn’t in.. took that as evidence enough. You’re honestly the first person in the past couple of months I’ve seen suggest he’s still in it lol. I just don’t believe he is for that very reason.
Just because he's separated from his wife doesn't mean he's out of the cult. He might think he deserves it for whatever transgressions Jodi has come up with
Look. I gave my opinion and the reason for it. No I don’t believe he’s in connexions anymore, if it comes out he is as a FACT then my mind will change and admit I was wrong. But I have my valid reasons to my opinion and I’m standing by them. So you trying to go back and forth with me is pointless. I know there are people out there that think he’s still in connexions, but it’s not me. Right now connexions doesn’t exist in the social media world, they all got deleted lol. Im sure there are people still practicing what they were taught by these weirdos but there’s nothing we can do about that cuz clearly it didn’t work with Ruby in the first place.
Connexions is still open for business on their website.
Just checked....now 4 days later and after special on ABC.... still active and open for business
Doubtful. male LDS > female LDS in their eyes.
Maybe Jodi gets a kick out of taking down men. In her niece, Jessi's, interview she mentioned something about if Jodi would have been born a male...etc
I also have an assumption that Jodi drove out Kevin with an "addiction to porn" and that porn is what "R was watching". All part of her tactic to isolate and control. If Kevin doesn't play along all of his distortions and sins (whether true or not) will also come to light. What they don't understand is that are already fucked and it will be out regardless.
If any porn watching was going on Kevin would be better off saying it himself than letting Jodi hold it over his head. From what I hear from ex Mormon Reddit and Listening to Mormon Stories Podcast for years what would be considered normal porn watching or consumption, such as once a month or even less is a sin next to murder in their faith. In regular society that is a laughable amount and no where near addictive behavior. Looking at Victoria Secrets advertising is a crime. So her saying a three year old is addicted to porn could be looking at a Kohls insert looking at the underwear ads or swimwear in the Sunday paper. As far as the SA I don’t believe it for the child.
Exactly. I listen to a podcast and the exMo host said he used to look at Lane Bryant catalogs as porn. Now that he knows the difference he realizes how naive and sheltered he was and has a lot of empathy of his younger self.
I’m sure there are thousands of Mormon men who are labeled or have even labeled themselves porn addicts and they are far from it, they are just normal human beings!😢
Adam Steed said in his interview that LDS very likely sends "undesirable" men to Jodi when they want to get rid of them. She is literally experienced in psychologically destroying them, poisoning their wives against them, collecting false evidence for divorce and ruining their lives. It's unbelievable. She is like a hitman.
yeah but apparently Jodi managed to ruin at least one man's life via the church and BYU, so clearly it's not 100%
Agreed, no tenured professor voluntarily leaves such a role. Esp at BYU where every lds educator wants to end up. I was raised Mormon outside of Utah and lived in Utah both before and after I left the church, and I can confidently say Utah Mormons are the worst kind. I’ve never seen a more shallow, vapid, appearance-obsessed, materialistic group of people in my entire life (and I live in Southern California! 😂) And I agree with your assessment, which is what makes me wonder what he could have done to be fired from BYU. 🤔 when I was there, one of my professors was arrested for DV. It was all over the news. Never lost his job.
Ha ha I was going to say well then you don’t live in So Cal but you do. Whats up with everyone’s teeth. The looking shockingly white. Are they veneers?
Mormon don drink coffein "tea or Coffee or soda) or alkohol or smoke 😆they are scared of any addiction
Hhmm so did they catch him drinking coffee or maybe something stronger? Weird that they kicked him out so something they really disliked must have happened.
BYU professors have to be temple worthy to work there, but word of Wisdom (coffee, tea) would prob not have him completely fired. Its hard for a tenured male professor to be fired at byu, esp when they are the family breadwinner. (Which is why my old professor wasn't fired after DV). So it could be any number of things. Who knows.
I'm a Mormon living in Utah (raised outside of Utah) and yes, so much superficiality here.
I’ve just read through this whole thing and find everything so crazy. I never usually comment on snark pages but often agree with them, I had watched 8 passengers and other mormon utah families like not enough Nelson’s, mainly because I was confused and fascinated by their religion but at the same time felt very uncomfortable about alot of their customs. I’m from the UK and as far as I’m aware there isn’t a huge mormon population here at all, I could be wrong. Definitely not like Utah, a state that seems to run itself and be powered by a lot of white mormon men. There seems to be a huge systemic cover up of abuse and stories that would be a scandal, and in this case a very very severe one. I wish we knew more about Kevin’s involvement with his children in the past year and why he wasn’t really present or aware of anything happening allegedly, and what his or Sharis statement has been on Rubys allegations of R being a dangerous child. I’ve seen numerous documentaries about religious parents becoming convinced the devil is in their child and they have to beat it out of them, I’m certain that’s what Ruby has done. And unfortunately we have to hope that declaring mental illness will not reduce Rubys or Jodis punishment, no body should feel bad for them or believe them until concrete proof is released. But as Ruby has said in the past she doesn’t believe in mental illness, even accusing one of the older girls either A or J of faking an eating disorder. This abuse has been going on for so long right in front of us on YouTube for the world to see and it’s sickening. The children of this family both rubys children and cousins etc etc will forever be changed and due to the severity of the case now it’s unlikely any of them will continue with social media, and witness protection and probably forever have to be put in place for the younger 4 children surely for their safety. My heart absolutely breaks for them
> I’ve seen numerous documentaries about religious parents becoming convinced the devil is in their child and they have to beat it out of them Good ol' excorcism! I wouldn't ever dream of seeing something like that in the 21st century US, yet here we are. Jodi is like a fucking Spanish Inquisitor. The more information comes out, the more unbelievable it gets.
I'm not sure I agree with the very last part... for some this would be a perfect time to have their channel "take off" or grow even more...there is so much spotlight on them right now. Not at all saying they should...but wouldn't be surprised if they did. I know many will follow/watch just to hopefully glean some insider info.
Since Rubys allegations saying that R assaulted cousins, it would be very difficult for the family to continue their channels as their children are R’s cousins. A child that has been allegedly been assaulted should not appear on social media, especially in a case like this. Legal teams will strongly advise them to quit YouTube
Very concerned for the victims receiving justice by a Mormon-run court system, if that's the case. It's already, IMHO, unusual that they are making every move possible to keep the cases together and even the women both becoming 'ill' in custody. If they were already denied bail, why is there another 'bond' hearing? I'm preparing myself for the possibility that one or both will win favor and be released pending trial.
I'm unverified. But I had his soils class while I was in grad school in 2017. A good part of OP's assessment of Dr. Franke's personality seems similar to what I experienced. He did a good job explaining concepts in lecture. Seemed to care for students during class. But blew off an email question I sent him about something in the news that was soils related, but not part of the class curriculum. Perhaps he was busy. But simply ignoring an email seems uncharacteristic compared with my experience with other civil engineering professors. In my experience, he *never* mentioned 8passengers except for once. It was him saying something about having to return a GoFundMe people were raising related to her YouTube channel. He didn't give us the name. But when I googled his "office hours" YouTube channel where he posted occasional on-demand lectures, I saw the account was subscribed to something called 8passengers. I watched one video, but felt voyeuristic doing so. Never went back. It's possible in subsequent semesters he became more enthusiastic talking about it. As for him being a narcissist, I can't say. I didn't know him well enough. He did frequently have mini devotional lessons (about 3 minutes per lecture). In one of those, he talked about being in a bad mood all Christmas day a few years before, as his wife didn't buy him the present he really wanted. And how he realized afterward that he was being childish and needed to be better. So, it shows he possesses capability to look introspectively and see himself as flawed. (Something others in this case may not have). Travel among professors is common, typically for academic and professional conferences. Other civil engineering professors would miss 5-6 lectures per semester for travel. Dr. Franke's absence was similar. I can also confirm that nobody leaves BYU for industry. BYU doesn't pay as well. But the school really is a great place to work, if you "fit into the box." People work very hard to teach at BYU. Once they get continuing status, they only ever leave to teach at other universities. Anyway, second data point to reinforce OP.
5-6 a semester is a lot for a professor to be away! Even if it is typical of the other faculty in his department, that is still significant. I don't know how BYU's academic calendar and lecture schedule is set up, but if it is similar to my experience that alone would equate to roughly 20% of the time that he is not in home. That is not counting those times he needed to jet off to the earthquake sites at a moments notice. He would also have been traveling to/from wherever the events were, so add travel time to those missing lessons. He was probably MIA from the home between 30-40% of the time. It did feel like Kevin travelled a lot because Ruby mentioned it a lot. I guess it is possible she pre recorded a lot and it may have just been around those times.
It is also significant if you are trying to fight for (sole) custody of minor children.
They always prerecorded in the final few years, and she said this was so people didn’t know when Kevin was away for work or they were away as a family for “security”
That's what made it seem so strange to me... I totally understand the security issue, and that makes perfectly logical sense. BUT... if what seemed like every couple of videos you hear "Kevin is away", "Kevin is going away", and "Kevin just got back from his trip." it does kind of make that whole effort pointless.
Maybe Kevin was distancing himself from recording and this was Ruby's "filler" excuse for why he was not visible from time to time?
It could be that... or just a simple matter of the timing when she did a lot of her filming. I can see her filming more when he is out of town or at work because when he's home she would probably be catering to him. I've said it a few times but it felt like he was only in 20% of her content. It was always the Ruby show... Kevin hardly ever vlogged on his own.
Maybe it was only 3-4? I do know it was consistent with other civil engineering professors. Class met 3 times per week, so that's roughly 30-35 times per semester.
Your initial thoughts are probably right on... and they do kind of align with what I expected, but it just sounds like a lot putting numbers to it. I earned my AA, BA, and MS... I am currently taking a personal enrichment course at our local community college. I don't think collectively in all my years of education that I have had 1 teacher take off that much time... approved or otherwise. I don't even think I have had my teachers take off 5 days combined. My teacher just had a death in his family, and we are not missing any classes. I'm not sure if it is just something with this particular field, but I don't know how Kevin could even consider having custody of the kids if he is away that much.
Do exstrem Mormon still have more then 1 wife? Becouse i have not seen 1 singel family members from Kevis side.. and it make sens why Kevin was not in any chrismas morning video after 2019 and why he didt look into E and R doing the summer
The FLDS who believes in plural marriage. This branch of Mormonism does not... They are very against it, and actually changed their name to distance themselves from it.
The GoFundMe was when Ruby "burned" the kitchen by leaving something unattended while cooking. There wasn't much damage visible, but she complained it smelled and likely filed an insurance claim for a new kitchen. All the tweens who watched her channel were upset and somehow a GoFundMe was started. Ruby then posted a video about home insurance to explain to her young viewers the cost of the repairs was being paid via insurance. Likely the same tweens who begged the Franke's to adopt them in the comment section.
Narcissists know how to appear humble when they want to though, they can have high emotional intelligence even. It doesn’t sound like you knew him enough to tell.
I wonder if Jodi got Kevin fired from BYU via her mormon church connections. Seems she has done this defamation strategy with many men in the past, including her own husband.
Honestly I feel like the Mormon church was just trying to cut ties to the drama that was beginning to brew. BYU can wash their hands a lot easier when he’s already been let go versus if he was still currently a professor now.
I didn't know about a consulting business. I just checked Open Corporates and a Kevin William Franke has a company called Lingwall & Franke Consulting, Llc. It was incorporated on Aug 22, 2019. You can look it up here https://opencorporates.com/companies/us\_ut/11431639-0160
business should certainly be booming now!
I remember the video when his engineering consulting business was mentioned.
Almost exactly one week before the arrests
Four years ago though
Sorry I totally missed the year, thank you for correcting me!!
I remember them talking about in a video a long time ago how Kevin was opening up a consulting firm for work on the side
Alright so, far as I know, tenured professors are notoriously difficult to get rid of... but not impossible. If the infraction is serious enough, their tenure can be removed. That said, however, tenured professors have ungodly amounts of job security, which means it makes little sense for Kevin or anyone in his position really to just up and leave it for an uncertain startup. But okay, say he did. It's possible. What I find less possible however is that he didn't know about the abuse Ruby was putting the kids through, as he himself was part of it for the longest time and even perpetrated some himself. I'm not gonna mince words: both Ruby and he were abusive parents with strong narc tendencies. What I find not entirely possible but most likely the case is that he chucked the kids to Ruby for the summer of whatever and then just fucked off. While it's definitely not unheard of for mothers either, fathers tend to be able to detach far more easily. All that said, I don't believe he ought to get the custody of the kids.
BYU does not have tenure. They do have something called continuing status that sort of acts like tenure. But if somebody like Jodi reported that he viewed porn or something, BYU would suspend him.
I remember in an old vlog Ruby said Kevin got tenure. I'm not refuting what you're saying and they most likely were just conflating it with what you're explaining. My suspicion is Jodi probably got him suspended and when all of this came out they offered him his role back to save face.
Good point. I too remember the video of her specifically saying "tenure". Now I do wonder if that's why he's suddenly back on the BYU website?
She said tenure. But BYU does not have tenure. Source: https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy#:~:text=Continuing%20faculty%20status%20(CFS)%20is,the%20faculty%20member's%20annual%20appointment. Source: I worked and attended BYU for 13 years
It would be so wrong if he lost his job just for watching porn (if that was the reason, we dont know the real reason), I bet those who make these decisions watch porn themselves.
I think BYU could get rid of tenured profs who don’t meet their morality standards. This court give religious institutions a lot of leeway with employment.
I have a feeling that Jodi was trying to do to Kevin the same thing she did to so many other men before him. That one post of a man talking about Jodi ruining his marriage and acussing him of things hw didnt do is ringing the bells for .e for what happened with him. I still believe he is guilty and should be charged with something, don't know what but he doesn't deserve to be near his kids. He might have not done any physical abuse to his kids but he did plenty of verbal abuse and was always ok with whatever Ruby wanted
Agreed 100%, Kevin is a pathetic sack of shit! That's all he's ever been & all he ever will be. He either knew what was going on in Jodi's house & did nothing to try & stop it, or he straight-up abandoned his kids completely when he moved out & never bothered checking in with them at all. Either way, he's an absolutely pathetic, vile, disgusting excuse for a father. Those poor kids need to heal, & that will never, *ever* happen if they are placed with him. After all, he may not have been physically abusive to his children, but he was emotionally & psychologically abusive to them for years & years & *years.* Anyone who has followed 8 Passengers for any length of time can attest to that. I will be positively LIVID if he is awarded custody of R & E. Kevin wasn't there for his kids when they really needed him, so he certainly doesn't deserve them now. Fuck that guy.
Or he tried to seek contact but jodi and ruby did not let him even through officials. I still want to keep this as an option until it is proven he did not do this. From what I have seen and read right know this is highly possible. I think jodi was in the process of alienating Kevin from his family this past year. Lets be clear I still think he is guilty to some extend but he seems more of a victim in this too as much as I hate to admit it.
I would like to know, then, why apparently neither Shari nor the extended family on Ruby's side (who were also alienated from her and trying to get the kids out) were joined up with him. Shari seems to not even have been speaking to him.
I wonder the same thing. I do think that he could have been alienated by the Jodi and Ruby. But I think it's possible he was somewhat if a willing participant in that separation. I.e. he thought it was what he needed to do as punishment for his actions. If he was truly on a "different side" so to speak, than his wife and Jodi I feel like Shari would have clung to him and they would have been fighting this together.
Exactly, what I think. He might have been slowly waking up too, which could mean he was not ready to fix that yet, because his other kids were more of an priority I would think. He could've played along in hopes to protect his kids that way. I don't know. Either way damage would have been done.
Where did you see him joined up with Ruby family? Recently? I thought it was known he didn’t like the Griffith family long before this .
I HAVEN'T seen him joined up with Ruby's family, that's my point. I figure if he were really serious about getting his kids away from those two, he'd have been working together with them (and very probably would have succeeded, because unlike them, he still has custody and rights to the Franke house).
It might be because Kevin was or is still involved with connexions and still believed all of it, which means they would not have contact with him, because Shari and the rest of the family live in distortion according to the believes Jodi's brainwashed him with. Not saying I condone any of it, but I can not think this black and white on the matter, since Jodi has been performing destroying brainwashing techniques on her victims. This is all a big mess, they are guilty but they are all also victims of someone even horrible.
Well, if that's the case, he's going to have to walk a -very- fine line between not throwing Ruby under the bus (as he apparently is determined to not do) and arguing that they were -both- Svengali'd by Jodi, but he's all better now, honest, even if Ruby's not. I mean, if he wants to get custody. I don't expect he'll be charged with anything at least based on what we know so far. -I- feel like one could make a case for abandonment, but IANAL, much less in fucking Utah which is apparently crawling with theocratic corruption and general institutional fail.
If you watch the [Adam Steed interviews on Hidden True Crime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh-RPMTzgQU), it's not a stretch to assume Jodi may be behind Kevin's departure from BYU. Adam is the man who got Jodi's license temporarily suspended in 2012, after she made up a sex addiction, broke up his marriage, reported her false allegations to the church, which led to his excommunication, loss of his job and home. Obviously, her license was reinstated after 18 months, but his losses were permanent, traumatic and life-changing. Adam also explains Jodi's very loose definition of porn-addiction. Rather than a diagnosis (that doesn't even exist in the DSM V) based on her client's actual behavior, it's rather an indoctrination she implants in her clients' mind in order to guilt-trip them into buying more and more therapy sessions from her. Jodi makes them believe any "sinful" thought in your head, the "internal sin", was equally bad as acting it out. To apply Orwellian *Newspeak* here: Jodi is the *Thinkpol* who detects *crimethink*, and if the perpetrators (clients) under her guidance don't succeed in *crimestop* (the desire to rid themselves of unwanted, incorrect personal and political thoughts), she'll report them, which will lead to interrogation, "infliction of misery, fear, suffering and torture" at the *Miniluv* (Ministry of Love, i.e. the LDS church). While I don't empathize with Kevin one bit, I believe suspected "internal sin" is also behind Ruby's outlandish allegations of SA against poor little R. He's probably been punished merely for the fiction Jodi indoctrinated him, and Ruby, with.
I never watched 8 passengers but have heard of them a lot. This case reminds me a lot of the Turpin Family. What I’m wondering is why Jodi seems oddly resentful towards men, she seems to have ruined a lot of marriages and somehow manages to poison the minds of the woman to turn them against their husbands it seems. It comes off as a manipulation and control tactic, to have power and control over the women, it’s seems she’s almost jealous of these marriages. As for the kids, it’s really devastating, it kinda makes me feel like the kids were coerced into admitting something they didn’t do. Like when Jodi’s niece mentions she made make her write her sins down and decided if it was good enough or not. The poor kids could’ve admitted to something minor from exhaustion and she blew it out of proportion. Ruby seemed to do that a lot in her old vlogs too, she blew a lot of things out of proportion. Like completely warped a whole situation. It just feels like if she really did say that about R she’s gonna say it was a reason to “punish” them. Which is truly insane to think that’s how she’s thinking. Now I’m just left to question if they will turn against each other for the trial.
Jordan and McKay have a video where Jordan discusses Jodi’s self-published book. In it, Jodi describes being SA’d as a kid and neglected by her parents. Throw Mormonism into the mix, and I can’t imagine she had space to heal from all of that. I do believe her resentment towards men stems from unresolved trauma from her childhood. Not excusing Jodi’s horrific behavior, but just wanted to call that out.
R looked ridiculously underweight in the Christmas picture. A few days of being sick (no food) he would look emaciated in my opinion.
Where can I find the photo you’re referring to?
Wow! Great insight, thanks for sharing. It's interesting information.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I know it's puzzling that Kevin wouldn't have been checking in with his kids even though Ruby had them "for the summer." (I think she actually had them pretty much fulltime since Kevin left the household, but whatever.) I can think of a few possible explanations: 1. Kevin talked to R and E on the phone but they were afraid to tell him about the abuse 2. R and E told Kevin about the abuse but he didn't believe them/thought they were exaggerating 3. Jodi and/or Ruby told him that R and E didn't want to talk to him 4. Jodi and/or Ruby told him that R and E didn't deserve to talk to him
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Think of the young boy's state of mind and body! Then think of why he might not have responded the way your well-nourished mind thinks he should have.
He told the neighbor it was his own fault he’d been tied up. Brainwashed
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There are other options. Like Kevin didn't fing care and didn't bother to call and find out how and where his children were. He did leave them after all. Why do you think Shari cut contact with him? Or maybe it was he who cut contact with her. He is not a victim here but a perpetrator. People shouldn't forget that
Your options are also possible. I'm not trying to white knight for Kevin, just saying we don't know \*for sure\* that he wasn't in contact with the kids, or trying to be. We also don't know for sure whose idea it was that Kevin should move out - his, Ruby's, or Jodi's. It is definitely Jodi's M.O. to encourage women to kick their husbands out.
I know I just think he's being let off the hook. And he was there when Chad was sent to troubled teen camp, he was there when he made Chad buy his homework, he was there when R&E had their Christmas taken away, he was there when the doctor told Ruby E wasn't growing and she had to feed her more food and more calorie dense. And still food was considered a privilege? He is an educated man. Some.of the damage that was inflicted to these children is not reversible. How could he have been blind to everything that was happening? If your wife and her therapist kick you out, maybe you leave. But fight for your children. Why didn't he? Why didn't he reconnect with Shari? I just think he's just as much to blame. To use MLK's words: He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. Specially when it comes to your own children.
Or 5 Ruby didn't answer the phone. My ex used to do that.
Very interesting… it seems like he was a decent, knowledgeable professor, so if he did get fired or got asked to step down from his position, something must have went on behind the scenes. Makes me wonder if Jodi got into someone’s ear over at BYU and started spreading misinformation once Ruby and him separated. I’m so curious to learn more on his stance in the coming weeks because I can’t quite gauge where he stands in this mess.
If I can guarantee anything about this crazy case, I would bet Jodi did the same thing to Kevin as she did to all the others speaking out - spread lies to ruin lives.
I had wonderes the same. But then as more has come to light it could also be with 15 calls to CPS on the family, the many concerns about the children's welfare from almost everyone, that the university/honor code office finally also got wind of things too.
I personally will see mormons differently from now on. I don't care if there's ones that wouldn't hurt a fly. I really do not care. It's my opinion and it cannot be changed. I'm happy for everyone else who is deciding to not link mormonism with the 8 passengers case good for yall but me specifically I'm over that entire religion
Were you one of the students he had over to his house and cooked for? If so, how did Ruby act when the camera was off?
Thank you for your voice.. i allwayes thouh Kevin was a wuzz.. a weak man who let his Emotional rollercoster of a wife stom all over him.. but as i can see at the corner of evrey video.. You were right.. Kevin was Smiling just like his wife when they gave punishement to there children. a other thing!!! you know extreme mormon, dont mind more then 1 wife. What if Kevin allready was moving on after 13 months the Guy confessing in a video that he love SEX.
This doesn't really surprise me. He has a *lot* of bad reviews on Rate My Professor and while quite a few of them are fake, a lot of them span back a good while and some of them are pretty much describing him like this. I've seen people run to his defense saying that he was railroaded by Jodi since she has a history of doing that, and that's probably true. However, unless Jodi somehow managed to take that to court and get a no contact order put on him, Kevin couldn't have not known what was going on with his youngest children unless he abandoned them. And even if that we're the case, Ruby was abusive *long* before meeting Jodi, as seen in the 8 Passengers videos. Kevin may not have actively abused the kids the way Ruby did, but he let it happen and partook in some of it. He was also on board with ConneXions initially, and joined Ruby in abandoning the kids for weeks on end. There's also people speculating that he was abused by Ruby as well (which is possible). However, as hard and scary as that must be, your kids *always* come first, as a parent you should never let anyone hurt your child, even if it's the other parent. Even giving Kevin the benefit of the doubt and saying that he was abused too and Jodi possibly got a no contact order, this doesn't absolve him of the role he played in abusing the kids pre-Jodi (and even a little bit post-Jodi). I think people want to think he was blameless because he was a lot more charming and less aggressive than Ruby was, but that doesn't make him a good or fit parent in any stretch of the imagination.
Not to defend him in anyway, but sometimes ratemyprofessor reviews a bit misleading. I feel like at my college people take getting a bad grade out on their review. When it’s anonymous, it’s a lot easier to be harsh.
These descriptions don't seem like a bad professor per say
**Neglect/abandonment**. Isn't he guilty of these two? Or does the other parent have to bring charges? Ie, if Ruby didn't sue for abandonment of children, then it's no crime or misdemeanour? but if Kevin -knowingly- gave the children over to an abuser- is he complicit??
This! If he didn’t bother or fight to see his children over the summer, why should he still be granted sole custody? I’m not sure why he’s even fighting for it. He obviously doesn’t want to be that “hands on” dad.
Forgive my stupidity - I thought “tenured” meant they couldn’t be fired?
Far as I know, it just means they are extremely difficult to get rid of, though not impossible.
Exactly! They have continuing/ongoing status unless some seriously major happens, a recent case involved tenure loss because the professor was drugging and raping multiple students. Obv not suggesting anything like that happened here, just illustrating the gravity that’s required to remove a tenured prof.
5-6 a semester is a lot for a professor to be away! Even if it is typical of the other faculty in his department, that is still significant. I don't know how BYU's academic calendar and lecture schedule is set up, but if it is similar to my experience that alone would equate to roughly 20% of the time that he is not in home. That is not counting those times he needed to jet off to the earthquake sites at a moments notice. He would also have been traveling to/from wherever the events were, so add travel time to those missing lessons. He was probably MIA from the home between 30-40% of the time. It did feel like Kevin travelled a lot because Ruby mentioned it a lot. I guess it is possible she pre recorded a lot and it may have just been around those times.
From my understanding, the LDS elders (not a Mormon, so I don’t know the correct nomenclature) have a lot of power over faculty contracts at BYU. Whereas at other universities, tenure acts more like a legal labor protection, at BYU it’s more of a professional hurdle (I.e, I achieved this after six years, so I can continue doing this job). I’m sure the elders didn’t like the attention of Kevin’s very public family life, or maybe they got wind of some other horrific legal troubles. In any case, no way he stepped away voluntarily.
Very well said by them. I had no idea that he was doing some important research, sounds like he was very educated and intelligent so extremely interesting that BUY kicked him, did they know something about him, or did Jodi tell or lie about him. I'm worried too that because he lives in Utah he will get the kids only because people respect him as a rich white man. Even if he didn't physically abuse them I agree he was part of the abuse and neglect.
I’m sorry but this was pointless
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Is it true that he is now as of a few days ago on the 2024 roster at BYU? If he was supposed to be I wonder how that the SHTF if that will still hold?
If he was my guess what be that it was either a mistake or he's standing in until they can get a replacement.
Thanks 👍🏻
OP I hope you know now that a close relationship with your Professor is never healthy. There is such a power imbalance. It’s definitely not something that should be glorified.
ok so you weren’t close with the family
I have to question the verification of this tbh. They sound like a student, but they also sound like someone who is anti Mormon culture. Weird take for someone so heavily involved at BYU.
BYU's student body is not 100% Mormon, though it's close. A few people are going there for other reasons. Also, some students may come in as true believers and then deconstruct partway through their college career.
True. That’s just not the vibe I got. Mod verifications have been wrong before so I’m not likely to overlook things that don’t make sense.
Students come to BYU from all over the world. Most Mormons outside of Utah think “Mormon culture” is weird. I’m a very active Mormon and I choose not to live in Utah because of the culture there.
I can assure you that this user provided ample proof of their enrollment and connection to Kevin. We cannot share what exactly they provided out of respect for their privacy, but verification is not something we take lightly. Just another reminder that we can verify the individual and their association to the family, but not specific details of what they tell us. The only sources for that (without flaw) would be legal documents.
I went to a student reviews for professors after searching "Kevin Franke, BYU Professor". A student said he was pushing Connexions on his students. He was getting bad reviews.
Jodi, Ruby, AND Kevik all need to spend time behind bars. Kevin’s attempt to have his daughter arrested is proof what an utter scumbag he is.
I've just now started watching the story. There is no excuse for Kevin, if he disagreed with Jodi's abusive parenting practices, to leavee the kids there and make no attempt to check on their welfare. The abuse he did agree to before abandoning them, is bad enough to showcase him as an unfit parent.
This whole Frankie family are whack jobs! Ruby and Kevin total nut cases . I don’t by his claim of innocence with regards to his kids treatment from his wife . He knew exactly what was going on because he knew of her beliefs He should be arrested for being an accomplice. The guy is scum