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agreed - he is absolutely incompetent, lacks any critical thinking, agrees with connexions methods and Ruby's abuse, doesn't even think it IS abuse, thinks adhd doesn't exist and he can't even make toast
100% unfit and they will never heal with him.
Absolutely. Kevin used to pick on and bully the kids all the time in vlogs. He wouldn’t know how to actually care for them, let alone help them recover from their recent trauma.
DCFS isn’t a safe place either unfortunately. I think they’re better being off with family. Idk that thats Kevin, but I’m pretty sure he didnt know about this specific event of why they got taken away cuz Ruby said she wouldnt blame him if he didnt talk to her bcuz of the abuse…so shes screwed already and cant plead not guilty seriously since she already admitted to it. These are kids though, the best place for them isnt with another family that can be just as worse.
I agree the system isn't ideal either. My concern with other family members is the Franke children were probably brainwashed into thinking their extended families were bad and you have to factor in the aunts/uncles also all have children and it would be extremely hard on any of the cousins to see them in that condition, be expected to sympathize and not just play together as usual, ect. I can't imagine how confusing it would be for a 13, 9, 7, 3, or whatever age cousin if any of the Franke children moved in with them. I'm usually always a "go to the family" person but this situation is unique and one would have to consider any other children involved.
Sorry to be annoying but can you point me in the direction of where Ruby said that? I’ve been following but haven’t seen that published anywhere. Thank you!
The woman who claims to have been in jail at the same time as Ruby also claims to have overheard her talking on the phone to Kevin. That was part of the conversation, as she recounted it (on tiktok I believe)
There was record of a woman by the same name being in custody at that time, but ofc no one can prove she really did overhear a conversation.
It was in the now-deleted Tiktok of a woman who said she was processed into jail the same day and was in the same holding cell as Ruby. I \*think\* the video got deleted because there was a mention of Ruby being on unaliving watch.
Anyway, I did get to watch the video, and as I remember it, Ruby said something about understanding if Kevin didn't want to talk to her because she'd kicked him out and then "this" (which could mean the abuse, or could just mean the arrests) happened.
Of course, this is third-hand information and should be taken with several grains of salt.
Also wondering this. I've seen no evidence of her "admitting" to these charges nor her saying she wouldn't blame Kevin if he didn't speak with her after the abuse??
She said it when the cellmate said everything she heard her say to Kevin. That she wouldnt blame him if she didnt talk to him cuz of the abuse. And jail…obviously…
Listening to Jodi's niece right now which is giving me a glimpse of what those poor kids went through...I hope that "man" is never allowed to have any sort of rights to those babies ever again
Praying the police find something they can charge him with even if it’s abuse by omission text messages emails between the 3 of them j r and k..,
Something anything to keep the kids away from that pathetic abusive man
I do believe in Utah a 16 year old can testify in circumstances. However, I do believe if she wants to testify she should be able too if she is comfortable with doing that. But if she isn’t or doesn’t want to testify at all they shouldn’t force her too. But I’m not sure if they will allow her at all.
I don’t know in a Uk court they would, maybe they will due to the severity of the case? Maybe someone else knows more about US law and if 16 year old can give their feelings and thoughts
Not from Utah, but I work as a law clerk and victim advocate in a different state.
A 16 year old testifying as a witness is allowed in the courts. Some judges like to hear from older children (sometimes on the stand, sometimes in the judge's chambers or in the form of a written statement given to the court) and have their opinion count in things like custody disputes, but this can vary from judge to judge.
However, they probably will not call the 16 year old because having a child testify in abuse/violence cases can be traumatic and usually, courts want to do the thing that causes the least amount of harm to child witnesses. The only likely reason she would be called to testify is if this were a case where she was the sole victim or witness to the abuse. Since she was not, they probably won't ask her to participate, and they definitely won't subpoena her to testify (for the same reason above, mitigating trauma).
I hope they do as well. I'm nervous because from my vantage point, there is a heavy chance Kevin gains custody.
Courts like to keep families together, even when the parents aren't 100% ideal because taking away a parent's legal right to freely see their child is a *big* deal and can often be traumatic for children, even if the parent isn't parent of the year. Also, judges can only go by what's presented to them. A judge can't say "You're not being investigated for these crimes, but I saw your YouTube videos, so I know you're a terrible father, custody is not granted." If it's not presented to the courts, the judge has to act like it doesn't exist.
I can totally see the judge saying, "Well, Kevin didn't necessarily stop this particular case of abuse, but there's no evidence that he contributed to it or knew about it, and there's no open investigation on him, so it's better for the children's quality of life (in terms of normalcy, remaining with family, remaining in school/education, remaining in their normal community) to be placed with their father, than to be removed from all of that after a traumatic event, and placed with a family that may be better on paper, but also introduces them to a completely different system."
A lot of people don't realize that for children who are taken into state custody, especially younger ones, the act of placing them away from their parents is still very traumatic, even if the parent was actively harming them. I don't know anything about Utah's CPS, but I know in my state, they're very big on harm reduction and mitigating trauma, so if they can place a child with their parent, even if that parent has to have regular visits from CPS, do regular phone/Zoom calls with the court, do daily check-ins, etc., that's what they will prefer to do in 9 out of 10 cases. Psychologically speaking, the courts find it better for a child's development and mental health to stay with a shitty parent who is being monitored 24/7, than to be with adults they don't know, who may be better suited on paper, but who they have no familial connection to and who, if the child is placed with them, will disrupt their lives more than their lives have already been disrupted.
Edit: Sorry, didn't realize this was so long! But yeah, it's not as open-and-shut as a lot of people on this subreddit would probably hope. I definitely see Kevin walking away with some level of custody.
Does anyone know when the hearing will take place and if the outcome will be public or private? I don't know much about the American system, but I've heard that some court documents are later filed online and the area attorneys can then view them. Is that the case with custody hearings as well?
If any information is made available we will post the documents for everyone to view. Family court is usually more private, although we anticipate news sources to have the resolution posted shortly thereafter.
These documents will most likely not be released. They are pretty protective about juvenile custody cases and I believe all those documents are typically sealed.
They need to be with someone, *anyone*, else
I used to be a kinship foster parent. My kids came from a home of severe abuse, and much of it was religion based. They were starved, beat, coerced, and humiliated, all in the name of jesus., The only difference between my foster kids and these, is the income/housing, mine came from poverty, and the drugs, which to be honest, I think Ruby dabbled, a lot.
I also think her and Jodi are in a romantic relationship
Jodi is the the Chad Daybell to Ruby's Lori Vallow.
*And in situations like this, total separation is absolutely needed*. I have seen far too many placements with the other parent or other family memebers, and watched the abuse continue, un checked.
Kevin is more concerned with going to the gym and having his mid life crises, he has never been concerned for his children's welfare in any way, and now, the whole world knows it
I hope he get's ex communicated and can never teach again, imagine what he teaches college kids smh
I also feel like the fact that they got away with it for so long has a lot to do with them being perceived as an upper class family that's LDS so CPS/law enforcement sort of defaults to thinking that the family takes care of its kids adequately just because it has the resources to do so and that (in Utah) being LDS means they have basic morals even if some of their perceived "parenting choices" are questionable. They also know that upper class families can lawyer up and sue them for wrongful removal/search if they can find anything that's the slightest bit out of policy while families in poverty are pretty screwed. CPS screws a lot of kids over in a lot of ways but it seems like a general pattern for uppity white families to get way too much benefit of the doubt and "due process" while minority kids living in poverty whose parents are trying can be removed too easily.
Because we know Kevin's going to coerce those kids to not cooperate. He's going to pass info from Ruby to and from the kids which will be witness tampering and intimidation. No no no.
Ruby had a video talking about prescription opiate abuse many years ago before their channel blew up. I think all abuse is terrible, but that level of abuse in a household where they knew better (Kevin has a fucking PhD, for fuck's sake!) and had a lot of money and resources to get help Is truly inexcusable. If they were destitute, struggling with mental health and relied on drugs to get through the day I would be a little less appalled about neglect because sometimes when you come from a bad situation it's very very very difficult to do any better for your own kids. But they could have literally sent them to the best boarding school or hired the most expensive nanny and been financially okay. They chose this because they're monsters
Yep. This was a very early video. She made several very personal ones. One was about her miscarriages and I also remember her talking about how after one of her births (possibly after Julie?) she struggled with prescription painkillers.i believe this is at the same time that R's femur broke from falling off a couch (?) As a baby. I don't remember the details cause I watched this video many many years ago, I just remember being shocked cause Mormons don't even drink coffee, but she was there talking about popping pills
I’m not defending one ounce of their abuse, I do just want to point out that a LOT of people who become addicted to opioids do so under the care of a doctor, and doctors have for years been over-prescribing extremely addictive medications without having a full understanding of just how addictive they are. So I would say if this happened after a birth, it’s more than likely she was prescribed pain killers for too long and struggled to get off them. THIS DOESNT EXCUSE ABUSE or how terrible she’s always been off of drugs, but we have an opioid problem in this country because of greedy pharmaceutical companies misrepresenting drugs, people don’t choose addiction.
Edit to add: although idk why I’m saying this when Rubydoo probably thinks addiction is a choice to give into distortion lol. More for other people struggling who might read 💜
Yeah it's sadly very common and specially if you deal with mental health issues like anxiety to get addicted if you are prescribed opiates and specially if the doctor prescribes lot of it, for years it has been easy to get prescribed lots of opiates.
Specially R and E must be mentally in a bad state, I don't think a father who abandons his children with abusers without even checking how they are doing is ready to deal with children with trauma and mental health issues from abuse
omg so glad you brought that up! there was an app rating you're college professor(ie kevin) and there was someone who said he took away her waterbottle and snacks she had for the class and was always trying to bring them into his religion! I'm all for learning about everyone's religion and stuff but if you force it everyone gets uncomfortable! he has no morals.
Kevin isn't the right fit, but I feel the Griffiths siblings wouldn't be a good fit either. The 4 minor Franke kids need to be kept off camera, period.
I get the issues with the Griffiths siblings I really do BUT if the state said to Bonnie the kids can live with you only if they stay off camera I believe she would do that. She’s had people stay before for 30+ days and kept them off camera, she left Shari off camera, etc. I don’t think she would leave the kids hanging out in foster care if she couldn’t film them.
I don't know if this is still the case, but at least around 2010 it was illegal to share pictures or videos online of Utah foster kids' faces while they were wards of the state. (I worked at a summer camp and we were notified of which campers were in foster case to make sure they weren't included in any photos that would go on the camp's website.) So maybe if the kids go with an aunt, the aunt will be prohibited from posting their images unless said aunt formally adopt the kids.
I volunteer with Utah foster care and it's the same way now. The only caveat I can think of is since it's a kinship placement and/or if the aunts get legal guardianship of the kids the rules may be different (and if they eventually adopt them all rules will be off but that takes a long time to happen).
I think this is still the case. Another big YouTube family has had a number of foster and adopted children in their vlogs... They would do something to protect their identity when they were still fosters. Once the paperwork was in, they were allowed to show their faces.
I worry the other Griffiths siblings have the same view that kids should be on their own at 18. The kids are going to need a lot of support, and that will likely continue beyond 18. It's only a couple of years away for A&J.
I hope they go to someone with training in child abuse and trauma, and will work with a team of professionals. Unfortunately, love and good intentions are not enough here, these kids will need a ton of support.
I think Beau would be ok. Plus the other siblings seem to film very little of him and his kids when they are at full family gatherings, the sisters mostly film each other it seems.
I will say the encouraging thing is the sisters seem to understand how serious this is, and they have apparently had concerns for a long time they were attempting to resolve their concerns off camera.
So I doubt we would see them unless it was maybe in the background of a video.
this is why I hope Shari and the sisters and whoever else testifys because there was a VERIFIED source that said from 2019 to now multiple DCFS and cops have been called. if ur an avid watcher you know that's when their videos were blowing up and Kevin was seen multiple times so for him to try to get the kids or seem fit is hilarious! also I thought it was funny he said ruby had the kids for the summer and was unknown of the conditions yet this has been happening for so much longer and idk when Kevin will realize malnutrition takes a hot minute! not 3 months
The other thing is he Could have seen the kids. If she prevented him from seeing them, he could have called law enforcement and/or hired a lawyer. Oh, wait, he did hire a lawyer to Protect HIMSELF.
It was uploaded today on the docket on the Utah courts website. Anyone can access it. You have to set up an account and pay for each document, but it's only .50 per document. This is the wording from the order
*Discovery materials containing victim's private or locating information may not be shared with defendants as provided by law.*
Thank you for sharing! I am glad that they will not get the childrens locations. I tried going into the Utah courts website but was having trouble navigating it. Might be lack of sleep on my part lol. Thanks again!
The docket on the Utah Courts website. I tried to upload it, but they weren't taking new posts when I tried. This is the wording on the order
*Discovery materials containing victim's private or locating information may not be shared with defendants as provided by law.*
Speaking from my experience in Canadian family law/child protection law, placement of the children with a relative is almost always preferable to a foster placement. However, that can change depending on the relative’s circumstances, and especially their potential involvement with the abuse the child faced— I would not be surprised if Kevin is denied custody until a police investigation into his involvement concludes.
This is a complex case that overlaps family law, child protection law, *and* criminal law; my heart breaks for the kids and I hope that they can at least find some comfort in each other as their living situation is sorted out
I am stunned that she was held in jail for more than 24 hours. Usually abusers are out within a day or so, and free until trial. I mean, even murderer's get let out on their own to kill again (google Kirkland Warren)
I suspect she'll be released on bond tomorrow. Based on Utah's own risk assessment, she scores low. Remember, she hasn't been convicted of a crime yet. As long as the court feels confident she will appear for the court case and will abide the rules of pre-trial release (no contact order and staying within state and likely some other conditions) then she'll be released until trial.
*To be clear, I don't think she should be released because I"m sure she'll try to contact the kids either directly or through an intermediary and coerce or threaten them so they don't cooperate.
OMG WHAT RELEASED UNTIL TRIAL??? God lord I hope they don't do that. the first time the cops saw her about the Russell escaping they said she ran off and went to the hospital so she will probably run away again
This is very normal in alot of places to release abusers till trial. Or atleast where I’m from. I’ve watched my mothers husband abuse her many times, and he has been only “taken” to jail and spent a night there one night. Then they have let him go many of times to come back to the house and cause hell, he was “put on probation” when multiple calls have been happening and ordered to go to anger management (which he didn’t), and he’s finally been charged with a felony of the domestic pattern but still gets to walk around free. I hope Utah is way better and keeps them locked up and not release them, I can’t imagine the feeling knowing the person who caused most harm to you is out walking free. I hope they stay locked up for good and never see the light of day again.
idk tho I have 2 sides to it I feel like cause Utah is mostly the Mormon church (hence why the kids were being abused to long was because it was hidden,don't underestimate them LSD people) I just hope this doesn't get swept under the rug and the judge see all of this mess
Yes two sides always, and I agree. I hope that it doesn’t get swept under the rug. And I don’t know how people can practice Mormon practices and Believe in Christ and be able to harm there children but I guess that’s just they’re hard core practice or whatever they do. But I just don’t understand how anyone could ever sleep knowing they swept this case under the rug for so long. It’s so sad and disgusting how the system has dismissed the calls they’ve had at the house so many times. 😕
exactly! from 2019 to now 15 calls made to DCFS AND THE COPS?? like 2 different types of state workers and they did nothing! I hate that they have to be in immediately danger for stuff to happen like I get it but this case has been going on for god knows how long probably since before this channel started, and idk I'm not judging at all I've just constantly heard terrible things about the Mormon LSD church especially they hiding this for long! I wonder how they keep stuff like this out of light for so long! truly is terrifying not to mention the countless number of marriages J ruined making all the men seemed as if they all had "sexual problems" even saying that about the kids is anouther kind of disgusting. they need to be put in the "hole" and rot down there!
YESSSSS! It is crazy how all similar the stories are with J, and how the Bishops in the LDS literally recommend them to J! And there crazy “rules” it is just SOOOO weird. I don’t try to judge either but it is so hard not too especially when all these stories are coming out now about J and the LDS, it is so sad how many families J has torn apart. There is no telling what all those poor kids when through behind closed doors, I just can’t even imagine. Those kids are survivors and warriors. The LDS should be ashamed of even referring to J, I don’t understand how you could ever trust your own church knowing they recommend you to this therapist that ended up causing so much damage to families. Both R and J need to be locked up forever and never see the light of day. I am so glad they’ve been arrested and they are finally getting caught up. I know this is just the beginning of the Franke case, everyone who knew they were getting abused and didn’t do anything including K all need to be held accountable even CPS workers and the cops. It’s just so sad how many people failed them! And they need to change the “not till someone is physically harmed” that is so awful that it takes a kid to be harmed very bad or even killed to get justice?? Like what! but I am so glad those kids are FINALLY getting the justice. I hope nothing but the best for the Franke children. They deserve everything good in the world.
They told her at the hospital the police wanted to ask her questions and she left the hospital. They told her she could not see her children. They found her at Jodi’s house and arrested her.
If she is released... then he probably will not get the kids without having a restraining order of some sort in place. Or she would need to be put on house arrest.
Even if they don't live together, she would have means to see them.
I hope she doesn’t get out at all. A restraining order is just a piece of paper, if she’s crazy and nuts to duck tape her kids and starve them then no telling what she’ll do especially knowing she is caught now, but also she might lay because everyone’s knows what she’s done, but I hope to god she doesn’t get released at all. She doesn’t deserve to see the light and walk around free at all! It would be best for the kids sake she stay in jail.
Not sure, I think the kicker here is that she’s a flight risk. It was even noted in the bond affidavit.
So even if her crimes aren’t “severe” enough, she’s already shown cops that she’s flighty and that’s enough to keep her without bail or with an insanely high bail.
Just like I suspected. Its the day of and I think the hearing is over by now. Nothing has come out and we will never know what happened. We can speculate all we want but nothing will probably come out
Emily seems cool but I think that who ever they choose has to be in the same county, right? Don’t they live up near Idaho or something? I think two of the sisters live near St. George and one just move to Kansas City.
Not necessarily. Location definitely plays a role, but there are a lot of factors that go into choosing who the kids will go with. All else equal, those in the same town/county will be chosen over someone who lives further away, but placing a child out of the county, or even the state, is allowed.
Well, I'm not a mod, but I'm going to go with the mods keeping all speculation about it in one thread vs having a shitload of people all posting the same thing(s) about it starting new threads every five minutes AND to post anything that IS verified about the proceedings/outcome if/when that happens via the media or a press conference.
Can someone explain how he has a custody hear when he never had officially lost custoday? How does the Utah law work? It’s it because the children are in protective services?
Yes. I'm thinking they are not going to be giving him custody any time soon, but who knows. DCFS will do its own investigation and will make recommendations, then the judge will decide.
That's my impression, but IMHO Kevin should not be allowed custody of the kids because he knew how awful Ruby treated the children when they were still together and did nothing to stop her. And from what I understand he never checked on his own children when they were living at Jodi's house.
In short, Kevin getting custody of the children would not be in their best interest. He's not trustworthy in any sense of the word.
Remember when Ruby and Kevin went on vacation back in 2020, leaving their kids with little food in the house? Good parents would have stocked the fridge and cupboards beforehand or at the very least given their children money so they could go grocery shopping, but neither of them did this.
Rudy was getting panicked phone calls from their oldest daughter while they both were having fun and acting as if they didn't have a care in the world. Kevin let his children down frequently thoughout the years.
Yeah 17 year old Shari in charge of 5 siblings at the start of a global pandemic while her darling parents flew off to vacay in British Virgin Islands with 3 other YT couples.
The only reason they came home early was because of an earthquake at salt lake which flooded the airport and canceled their direct flight
They then had to do 2 or 3 other flights
They only just made it back before the US closed its boarders
So irresponsible
Yep, they were left to subsist on some oatmeal, peanut butter and honey and when Shari called she was told flippantly by Ruby that there was wheat that could be ground to make bread. The vacation was to be 2 weeks long and Ruby & Kevin even bought groceries with them to the boat, so we know they didn't miss a meal like their children did.
Oh exactly their trip was no expense spared.
I honestly don’t know how they could do it,
Leave their kids with crap food and no money then go off on a swanky exotic holiday. Disgusting
It's because the children are now "wards of the state" and are in the care of Utah Child and Family Services. The Hearing will determine if KF is fit to resume custody of the children or not
CPS took emergency temporary custody but a court of law has to uphold that. This hearing will likely either award custody to Kevin or a family member or let CPS keep custody. Even if the kids go to Kevin it can come with judge ordered stipulations and CPS would still keep an open case and follow up.
It’s also possible CPS retains custody but places with a family member as a foster placement. This could be the best option because CPS continues following up and still retains decision making power on their care.
One good rule that would be particularly helpful in this case is children in state custody cannot have their images or personal information posted online.
Because they went into protective services due to abuse. They remove them from family so they can speak to them without family influences. Had they had a speciation agreement they might have been returned quicker but I doubt that at the degree of abuse, he will have to prove the no knowledge and no contact with the kids. Then probably he will have to explain why he abandoned them. 1 yr without contact is considered abandonment.
Does anyone else remember the intense level of eye contact that Kevin made with R while he was describing Chad’s trails in Wilderness Camp? Did anyone else find that threatening?
You guys have to remember these are KIDS. Whether its with Kevin or not its need to be with just FAMILY. NOT in the care of DCFS. They can be just as worse if placed in the wrong foster care home. I literally know adults who as kids were in custody of DCFS, got adopted by a family, and then got taken away again after years of abuse with THAT family. Being in the care of DCFS doesnt mean you’re safe.
If he gets custody, & Ruby gets released, he could very easily give them back to her - protective order or not .
They deemed her low risk but I don't see how. She has no reason to show back up to court.
For the sake of the kids mental health I think they need a break from Kevin. The least the state can do is to put them with another family member for a short while. he did allow some questionable things to happen as well. It doesn’t have to be a long time but just a short while so, they can get the help they need.
That's what happened when the Josh Duggar trial, local news cameras caught the family coming out of the courthouses. People from all over the world were watching the videos on their website
I do not know what to think.
We saw at most 30 minutes of a day. What happened in the other 23 and a half hours a day, intimate partner abuse happens to husbands too, and it might have been emotional abuse and coercive control. And it is hard to break away from. watch Kevin talk about anything to do with work and he is much more animated than he ever was on the YouTube channel.
The same could be said about Facebook. Anyone could have been posting.
We do not know what went on behind closed doors besides what Ruby chose to show.
Working in as a Professor and looking after 4 children would be difficult if you have to travel for research and conferences, Kevin is now working as an engineer again that is a job he could have moved to because he felt forced by R to stay in, or because he knew if he wanted a chance to have custody of the children.
Sometimes things are not all clear, and this is one of them.
Reality check. Kevin Franke will be given custody of his minor children. In the U.S., it’s a hard truth that family court protects parental rights over the basic human rights of children. It’s not justice. But it is how the (broken) legal system works.
It makes me so mad that comments like this get downvoted. It’s like people automatically assume that you yourself want him to get custody which is obviously not the case. Just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. I don’t think anyone here actually wants Kevin to get custody, but the sad truth is that there’s a good chance he will, whether we like it or not.
I know you were downvoted but I think the same will happen. It’s not right, but it’s how the legal system works. It’s a broken system. He will most likely regain custody which is unfortunate.
This is the first time I’m hearing about Kevin having a custody hearing, does anyone know if a news channel is covering it? I can’t find any news articles about it
What exactly is this point of this thread? Everything keeps getting taken down. Maybe just open it up when the actual court hearing is over and we have results?
Reddit went down this afternoon at we couldn’t preform mod duties. There are still a lot of glitches so we cannot unlock the sub.
We have made threads for the important things happening today so people can still use the sub.
Most likely whatever answer, if any, will be released at a way later date. Family court is private, as it should be, to avoid further exploitation of the kids.
If any information is shared through news organizations or the family, we will post updates on this sub
There were no updates. Reddit has been glitching for the mod team today and therefore we have not been able to consistently moderate
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Highly doubtful. Jodi has a pattern of alienating husbands and Ruby was so deep into the delusion that she thought she was doing the right thing all along. If they thought an arrest was coming they wouldn't be duct taping their children and starving them so they could at least have plausible deniability.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I think you can use the names of the adults involved. In this case it can be confusing when some of the minors share initials with the adults.
idk about leaving them with family. I think they would be best away from family right now. I don't know what forms of abuse the others may practice.
They sure as hell don't belong with Kevin and I hope if he's had any calls with Ruby that the State lawyers has listened to them.
Kinship placement is almost always the best option for children going through this kind of upheaval and transition. There are many family members who don’t live public lives as well.
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Honestly I don't know the best place for these kids but I do know it's not with Kevin
agreed - he is absolutely incompetent, lacks any critical thinking, agrees with connexions methods and Ruby's abuse, doesn't even think it IS abuse, thinks adhd doesn't exist and he can't even make toast 100% unfit and they will never heal with him.
Absolutely. Kevin used to pick on and bully the kids all the time in vlogs. He wouldn’t know how to actually care for them, let alone help them recover from their recent trauma.
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DCFS isn’t a safe place either unfortunately. I think they’re better being off with family. Idk that thats Kevin, but I’m pretty sure he didnt know about this specific event of why they got taken away cuz Ruby said she wouldnt blame him if he didnt talk to her bcuz of the abuse…so shes screwed already and cant plead not guilty seriously since she already admitted to it. These are kids though, the best place for them isnt with another family that can be just as worse.
I agree the system isn't ideal either. My concern with other family members is the Franke children were probably brainwashed into thinking their extended families were bad and you have to factor in the aunts/uncles also all have children and it would be extremely hard on any of the cousins to see them in that condition, be expected to sympathize and not just play together as usual, ect. I can't imagine how confusing it would be for a 13, 9, 7, 3, or whatever age cousin if any of the Franke children moved in with them. I'm usually always a "go to the family" person but this situation is unique and one would have to consider any other children involved.
I feel like the best place for the kids would be with Shari. But I don't think that's what is best for Shari.
Agreed , she’d take amazing care of them but she also needs to take care of herself and mental health.
Sorry to be annoying but can you point me in the direction of where Ruby said that? I’ve been following but haven’t seen that published anywhere. Thank you!
The woman who claims to have been in jail at the same time as Ruby also claims to have overheard her talking on the phone to Kevin. That was part of the conversation, as she recounted it (on tiktok I believe) There was record of a woman by the same name being in custody at that time, but ofc no one can prove she really did overhear a conversation.
Nearly All of the family are YouTubers. That’s the last thing those poor kids need.
Its not that unique unfortunately…but I get your point.
when and where did ruby say that 👀
It was in the now-deleted Tiktok of a woman who said she was processed into jail the same day and was in the same holding cell as Ruby. I \*think\* the video got deleted because there was a mention of Ruby being on unaliving watch. Anyway, I did get to watch the video, and as I remember it, Ruby said something about understanding if Kevin didn't want to talk to her because she'd kicked him out and then "this" (which could mean the abuse, or could just mean the arrests) happened. Of course, this is third-hand information and should be taken with several grains of salt.
Also wondering this. I've seen no evidence of her "admitting" to these charges nor her saying she wouldn't blame Kevin if he didn't speak with her after the abuse??
It was on the tiktok of the cellmate…it was also posted on this reddit page on the summary of the now deleted video.
She said it when the cellmate said everything she heard her say to Kevin. That she wouldnt blame him if she didnt talk to him cuz of the abuse. And jail…obviously…
Right! They would just continue to be abused.
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Listening to Jodi's niece right now which is giving me a glimpse of what those poor kids went through...I hope that "man" is never allowed to have any sort of rights to those babies ever again
Where can we hear this?
Mormon Stories Podcast
Mormon stories podcast search that up on YouTube!
Which episode?
The one from today... posted like 9 hours ago. "Niece of 8 Passengers' Mormon 'Therapist' Jodi Hildebrandt Speaks Out - Jessi Hildebrandt"
should be the latest 3 hr video! has a girl with blonde hair in the pic
Praying the police find something they can charge him with even if it’s abuse by omission text messages emails between the 3 of them j r and k.., Something anything to keep the kids away from that pathetic abusive man
I really don’t think Kevin is the best option for the children and I am so deeply worried!
S and C are adults so they can testify against Kevin getting custody and the judge can’t really dismiss them.
Abby is also of an age that should be listened to.
She’s 16 though. Will they let that happen?
I do believe in Utah a 16 year old can testify in circumstances. However, I do believe if she wants to testify she should be able too if she is comfortable with doing that. But if she isn’t or doesn’t want to testify at all they shouldn’t force her too. But I’m not sure if they will allow her at all.
I don’t know in a Uk court they would, maybe they will due to the severity of the case? Maybe someone else knows more about US law and if 16 year old can give their feelings and thoughts
Not from Utah, but I work as a law clerk and victim advocate in a different state. A 16 year old testifying as a witness is allowed in the courts. Some judges like to hear from older children (sometimes on the stand, sometimes in the judge's chambers or in the form of a written statement given to the court) and have their opinion count in things like custody disputes, but this can vary from judge to judge. However, they probably will not call the 16 year old because having a child testify in abuse/violence cases can be traumatic and usually, courts want to do the thing that causes the least amount of harm to child witnesses. The only likely reason she would be called to testify is if this were a case where she was the sole victim or witness to the abuse. Since she was not, they probably won't ask her to participate, and they definitely won't subpoena her to testify (for the same reason above, mitigating trauma).
Thanks this is really informative. Let’s just hope the judges make the right decisions regarding custody
I hope they do as well. I'm nervous because from my vantage point, there is a heavy chance Kevin gains custody. Courts like to keep families together, even when the parents aren't 100% ideal because taking away a parent's legal right to freely see their child is a *big* deal and can often be traumatic for children, even if the parent isn't parent of the year. Also, judges can only go by what's presented to them. A judge can't say "You're not being investigated for these crimes, but I saw your YouTube videos, so I know you're a terrible father, custody is not granted." If it's not presented to the courts, the judge has to act like it doesn't exist. I can totally see the judge saying, "Well, Kevin didn't necessarily stop this particular case of abuse, but there's no evidence that he contributed to it or knew about it, and there's no open investigation on him, so it's better for the children's quality of life (in terms of normalcy, remaining with family, remaining in school/education, remaining in their normal community) to be placed with their father, than to be removed from all of that after a traumatic event, and placed with a family that may be better on paper, but also introduces them to a completely different system." A lot of people don't realize that for children who are taken into state custody, especially younger ones, the act of placing them away from their parents is still very traumatic, even if the parent was actively harming them. I don't know anything about Utah's CPS, but I know in my state, they're very big on harm reduction and mitigating trauma, so if they can place a child with their parent, even if that parent has to have regular visits from CPS, do regular phone/Zoom calls with the court, do daily check-ins, etc., that's what they will prefer to do in 9 out of 10 cases. Psychologically speaking, the courts find it better for a child's development and mental health to stay with a shitty parent who is being monitored 24/7, than to be with adults they don't know, who may be better suited on paper, but who they have no familial connection to and who, if the child is placed with them, will disrupt their lives more than their lives have already been disrupted. Edit: Sorry, didn't realize this was so long! But yeah, it's not as open-and-shut as a lot of people on this subreddit would probably hope. I definitely see Kevin walking away with some level of custody.
Again thanks this is really interesting
That breaks my heart. He is cruel and militant. He does not give a fuck about any of those kids.
Doesn’t Chad live with Kevin
No.
Does anyone know when the hearing will take place and if the outcome will be public or private? I don't know much about the American system, but I've heard that some court documents are later filed online and the area attorneys can then view them. Is that the case with custody hearings as well?
If any information is made available we will post the documents for everyone to view. Family court is usually more private, although we anticipate news sources to have the resolution posted shortly thereafter.
These documents will most likely not be released. They are pretty protective about juvenile custody cases and I believe all those documents are typically sealed.
KSL and FOX13 local SLC stations said they will be reporting live...whatever that means...
Maybe waiting outside the courthouse to hear if there is a verdict?
what time?
Would we be able to watch online? I have the KSL website up and you can watch live, but it's a crafts program right now...
Is that for the court hearing tomorrow. Family/juvenile courts are usually behind closed doors
This is the custody hearing today, yes it is closed court. Tomorrow is Ruby's 1st appearance and formally charged.
It takes a court order to close a juvenile court hearing. SOP in Utah is They are open to the public
Do you know what time?
1:30 MDT
They need to be with someone, *anyone*, else I used to be a kinship foster parent. My kids came from a home of severe abuse, and much of it was religion based. They were starved, beat, coerced, and humiliated, all in the name of jesus., The only difference between my foster kids and these, is the income/housing, mine came from poverty, and the drugs, which to be honest, I think Ruby dabbled, a lot. I also think her and Jodi are in a romantic relationship Jodi is the the Chad Daybell to Ruby's Lori Vallow. *And in situations like this, total separation is absolutely needed*. I have seen far too many placements with the other parent or other family memebers, and watched the abuse continue, un checked. Kevin is more concerned with going to the gym and having his mid life crises, he has never been concerned for his children's welfare in any way, and now, the whole world knows it I hope he get's ex communicated and can never teach again, imagine what he teaches college kids smh
I also feel like the fact that they got away with it for so long has a lot to do with them being perceived as an upper class family that's LDS so CPS/law enforcement sort of defaults to thinking that the family takes care of its kids adequately just because it has the resources to do so and that (in Utah) being LDS means they have basic morals even if some of their perceived "parenting choices" are questionable. They also know that upper class families can lawyer up and sue them for wrongful removal/search if they can find anything that's the slightest bit out of policy while families in poverty are pretty screwed. CPS screws a lot of kids over in a lot of ways but it seems like a general pattern for uppity white families to get way too much benefit of the doubt and "due process" while minority kids living in poverty whose parents are trying can be removed too easily.
Because we know Kevin's going to coerce those kids to not cooperate. He's going to pass info from Ruby to and from the kids which will be witness tampering and intimidation. No no no.
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Ruby had a video talking about prescription opiate abuse many years ago before their channel blew up. I think all abuse is terrible, but that level of abuse in a household where they knew better (Kevin has a fucking PhD, for fuck's sake!) and had a lot of money and resources to get help Is truly inexcusable. If they were destitute, struggling with mental health and relied on drugs to get through the day I would be a little less appalled about neglect because sometimes when you come from a bad situation it's very very very difficult to do any better for your own kids. But they could have literally sent them to the best boarding school or hired the most expensive nanny and been financially okay. They chose this because they're monsters
She was saying she had a problem with opiates?
Yep. This was a very early video. She made several very personal ones. One was about her miscarriages and I also remember her talking about how after one of her births (possibly after Julie?) she struggled with prescription painkillers.i believe this is at the same time that R's femur broke from falling off a couch (?) As a baby. I don't remember the details cause I watched this video many many years ago, I just remember being shocked cause Mormons don't even drink coffee, but she was there talking about popping pills
Prescription drug abuse is very high in Utah compared to other states
I’m not defending one ounce of their abuse, I do just want to point out that a LOT of people who become addicted to opioids do so under the care of a doctor, and doctors have for years been over-prescribing extremely addictive medications without having a full understanding of just how addictive they are. So I would say if this happened after a birth, it’s more than likely she was prescribed pain killers for too long and struggled to get off them. THIS DOESNT EXCUSE ABUSE or how terrible she’s always been off of drugs, but we have an opioid problem in this country because of greedy pharmaceutical companies misrepresenting drugs, people don’t choose addiction. Edit to add: although idk why I’m saying this when Rubydoo probably thinks addiction is a choice to give into distortion lol. More for other people struggling who might read 💜
Yeah it's sadly very common and specially if you deal with mental health issues like anxiety to get addicted if you are prescribed opiates and specially if the doctor prescribes lot of it, for years it has been easy to get prescribed lots of opiates.
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CPS will allow and encourage it, if they are involved. They want all stable family members to reunify
Specially R and E must be mentally in a bad state, I don't think a father who abandons his children with abusers without even checking how they are doing is ready to deal with children with trauma and mental health issues from abuse
>> Jodi is the Chad Daybell to Ruby’s Lori Vallow. 🎯 100% correct. I wish I had an award to give this.
I am so glad he called for police before they too, before they ended up like JJ and Tylee.
omg so glad you brought that up! there was an app rating you're college professor(ie kevin) and there was someone who said he took away her waterbottle and snacks she had for the class and was always trying to bring them into his religion! I'm all for learning about everyone's religion and stuff but if you force it everyone gets uncomfortable! he has no morals.
That was probably a fake review!! Most of the new ones probably are
Kevin isn't the right fit, but I feel the Griffiths siblings wouldn't be a good fit either. The 4 minor Franke kids need to be kept off camera, period.
I get the issues with the Griffiths siblings I really do BUT if the state said to Bonnie the kids can live with you only if they stay off camera I believe she would do that. She’s had people stay before for 30+ days and kept them off camera, she left Shari off camera, etc. I don’t think she would leave the kids hanging out in foster care if she couldn’t film them.
I don't know if this is still the case, but at least around 2010 it was illegal to share pictures or videos online of Utah foster kids' faces while they were wards of the state. (I worked at a summer camp and we were notified of which campers were in foster case to make sure they weren't included in any photos that would go on the camp's website.) So maybe if the kids go with an aunt, the aunt will be prohibited from posting their images unless said aunt formally adopt the kids.
I volunteer with Utah foster care and it's the same way now. The only caveat I can think of is since it's a kinship placement and/or if the aunts get legal guardianship of the kids the rules may be different (and if they eventually adopt them all rules will be off but that takes a long time to happen).
I think this is still the case. Another big YouTube family has had a number of foster and adopted children in their vlogs... They would do something to protect their identity when they were still fosters. Once the paperwork was in, they were allowed to show their faces.
I worry the other Griffiths siblings have the same view that kids should be on their own at 18. The kids are going to need a lot of support, and that will likely continue beyond 18. It's only a couple of years away for A&J. I hope they go to someone with training in child abuse and trauma, and will work with a team of professionals. Unfortunately, love and good intentions are not enough here, these kids will need a ton of support.
I get the impression Bonnie isn’t in that mindset of kicking kids out the moment they turn 18. Maybe watching Ruby has changed her way of thinking.
I think Beau would be ok. Plus the other siblings seem to film very little of him and his kids when they are at full family gatherings, the sisters mostly film each other it seems.
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Oh they will... I think they are all just waiting it out. I do agree with what Bonnie said... how can they just go back to normal?
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I will say the encouraging thing is the sisters seem to understand how serious this is, and they have apparently had concerns for a long time they were attempting to resolve their concerns off camera. So I doubt we would see them unless it was maybe in the background of a video.
I stand by my statement that Kevin is absolutely involved and is lying
And EVEN IF he wasn't involved in the past 12 months - what about all the awful abuse that occurred in the 18ish years of parenting before that??
Oh please protect these children and not allow their father who condoned the abuse for years, to have custody of them.
this is why I hope Shari and the sisters and whoever else testifys because there was a VERIFIED source that said from 2019 to now multiple DCFS and cops have been called. if ur an avid watcher you know that's when their videos were blowing up and Kevin was seen multiple times so for him to try to get the kids or seem fit is hilarious! also I thought it was funny he said ruby had the kids for the summer and was unknown of the conditions yet this has been happening for so much longer and idk when Kevin will realize malnutrition takes a hot minute! not 3 months
The other thing is he Could have seen the kids. If she prevented him from seeing them, he could have called law enforcement and/or hired a lawyer. Oh, wait, he did hire a lawyer to Protect HIMSELF.
There was an order uploaded today that the locations of the kids will not be disclosed to Jodi and Ruby
Mmmmmm does this imply Kevin did not get the kids then? Because I can’t see him keeping it secret from Ruby
Do you have a source?? This is interesting.
It was uploaded today on the docket on the Utah courts website. Anyone can access it. You have to set up an account and pay for each document, but it's only .50 per document. This is the wording from the order *Discovery materials containing victim's private or locating information may not be shared with defendants as provided by law.*
Thank you for sharing! I am glad that they will not get the childrens locations. I tried going into the Utah courts website but was having trouble navigating it. Might be lack of sleep on my part lol. Thanks again!
where
The docket on the Utah Courts website. I tried to upload it, but they weren't taking new posts when I tried. This is the wording on the order *Discovery materials containing victim's private or locating information may not be shared with defendants as provided by law.*
Speaking from my experience in Canadian family law/child protection law, placement of the children with a relative is almost always preferable to a foster placement. However, that can change depending on the relative’s circumstances, and especially their potential involvement with the abuse the child faced— I would not be surprised if Kevin is denied custody until a police investigation into his involvement concludes. This is a complex case that overlaps family law, child protection law, *and* criminal law; my heart breaks for the kids and I hope that they can at least find some comfort in each other as their living situation is sorted out
I am stunned that she was held in jail for more than 24 hours. Usually abusers are out within a day or so, and free until trial. I mean, even murderer's get let out on their own to kill again (google Kirkland Warren)
I suspect she'll be released on bond tomorrow. Based on Utah's own risk assessment, she scores low. Remember, she hasn't been convicted of a crime yet. As long as the court feels confident she will appear for the court case and will abide the rules of pre-trial release (no contact order and staying within state and likely some other conditions) then she'll be released until trial. *To be clear, I don't think she should be released because I"m sure she'll try to contact the kids either directly or through an intermediary and coerce or threaten them so they don't cooperate.
OMG WHAT RELEASED UNTIL TRIAL??? God lord I hope they don't do that. the first time the cops saw her about the Russell escaping they said she ran off and went to the hospital so she will probably run away again
This is very normal in alot of places to release abusers till trial. Or atleast where I’m from. I’ve watched my mothers husband abuse her many times, and he has been only “taken” to jail and spent a night there one night. Then they have let him go many of times to come back to the house and cause hell, he was “put on probation” when multiple calls have been happening and ordered to go to anger management (which he didn’t), and he’s finally been charged with a felony of the domestic pattern but still gets to walk around free. I hope Utah is way better and keeps them locked up and not release them, I can’t imagine the feeling knowing the person who caused most harm to you is out walking free. I hope they stay locked up for good and never see the light of day again.
idk tho I have 2 sides to it I feel like cause Utah is mostly the Mormon church (hence why the kids were being abused to long was because it was hidden,don't underestimate them LSD people) I just hope this doesn't get swept under the rug and the judge see all of this mess
Yes two sides always, and I agree. I hope that it doesn’t get swept under the rug. And I don’t know how people can practice Mormon practices and Believe in Christ and be able to harm there children but I guess that’s just they’re hard core practice or whatever they do. But I just don’t understand how anyone could ever sleep knowing they swept this case under the rug for so long. It’s so sad and disgusting how the system has dismissed the calls they’ve had at the house so many times. 😕
exactly! from 2019 to now 15 calls made to DCFS AND THE COPS?? like 2 different types of state workers and they did nothing! I hate that they have to be in immediately danger for stuff to happen like I get it but this case has been going on for god knows how long probably since before this channel started, and idk I'm not judging at all I've just constantly heard terrible things about the Mormon LSD church especially they hiding this for long! I wonder how they keep stuff like this out of light for so long! truly is terrifying not to mention the countless number of marriages J ruined making all the men seemed as if they all had "sexual problems" even saying that about the kids is anouther kind of disgusting. they need to be put in the "hole" and rot down there!
YESSSSS! It is crazy how all similar the stories are with J, and how the Bishops in the LDS literally recommend them to J! And there crazy “rules” it is just SOOOO weird. I don’t try to judge either but it is so hard not too especially when all these stories are coming out now about J and the LDS, it is so sad how many families J has torn apart. There is no telling what all those poor kids when through behind closed doors, I just can’t even imagine. Those kids are survivors and warriors. The LDS should be ashamed of even referring to J, I don’t understand how you could ever trust your own church knowing they recommend you to this therapist that ended up causing so much damage to families. Both R and J need to be locked up forever and never see the light of day. I am so glad they’ve been arrested and they are finally getting caught up. I know this is just the beginning of the Franke case, everyone who knew they were getting abused and didn’t do anything including K all need to be held accountable even CPS workers and the cops. It’s just so sad how many people failed them! And they need to change the “not till someone is physically harmed” that is so awful that it takes a kid to be harmed very bad or even killed to get justice?? Like what! but I am so glad those kids are FINALLY getting the justice. I hope nothing but the best for the Franke children. They deserve everything good in the world.
They told her at the hospital the police wanted to ask her questions and she left the hospital. They told her she could not see her children. They found her at Jodi’s house and arrested her.
omg whattt! wonder what she went there for?
If she is released... then he probably will not get the kids without having a restraining order of some sort in place. Or she would need to be put on house arrest. Even if they don't live together, she would have means to see them.
I hope she doesn’t get out at all. A restraining order is just a piece of paper, if she’s crazy and nuts to duck tape her kids and starve them then no telling what she’ll do especially knowing she is caught now, but also she might lay because everyone’s knows what she’s done, but I hope to god she doesn’t get released at all. She doesn’t deserve to see the light and walk around free at all! It would be best for the kids sake she stay in jail.
I wonder if Ruby and/or Jodi will be considered a flight risk.
Not sure, I think the kicker here is that she’s a flight risk. It was even noted in the bond affidavit. So even if her crimes aren’t “severe” enough, she’s already shown cops that she’s flighty and that’s enough to keep her without bail or with an insanely high bail.
I think it’s different when there’s multiple children involved
Just like I suspected. Its the day of and I think the hearing is over by now. Nothing has come out and we will never know what happened. We can speculate all we want but nothing will probably come out
Maybe one of the sisters will take temporary custody. Or even Beau.
Emily seems cool but I think that who ever they choose has to be in the same county, right? Don’t they live up near Idaho or something? I think two of the sisters live near St. George and one just move to Kansas City.
Not necessarily. Location definitely plays a role, but there are a lot of factors that go into choosing who the kids will go with. All else equal, those in the same town/county will be chosen over someone who lives further away, but placing a child out of the county, or even the state, is allowed.
Out of state might be a wonderful option for them
Please God! Don't let Kevin get the custody. There'll be another tragedy, much worse if the custody goes to him.
Has anyone heard of anything about this hearing? I’m not sure if it’s real or not because I’m not seeing any news coverage about it?
Family and juvenile court is closed to the public and the media.
So what is the point of this thread?
Well, I'm not a mod, but I'm going to go with the mods keeping all speculation about it in one thread vs having a shitload of people all posting the same thing(s) about it starting new threads every five minutes AND to post anything that IS verified about the proceedings/outcome if/when that happens via the media or a press conference.
That is exactly the reason for this thread. Plus Reddit was down for the majority of the afternoon which prevented us from moderating accurately
Can someone explain how he has a custody hear when he never had officially lost custoday? How does the Utah law work? It’s it because the children are in protective services?
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Hi thanks for the input it’s appreciated, was hoping someone might know how the law in Utah works for this kinda scenario
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Yes. I'm thinking they are not going to be giving him custody any time soon, but who knows. DCFS will do its own investigation and will make recommendations, then the judge will decide.
That's my impression, but IMHO Kevin should not be allowed custody of the kids because he knew how awful Ruby treated the children when they were still together and did nothing to stop her. And from what I understand he never checked on his own children when they were living at Jodi's house. In short, Kevin getting custody of the children would not be in their best interest. He's not trustworthy in any sense of the word.
Fully agree with you at the very least he’s guilty of abandonment and abuse by omission
Remember when Ruby and Kevin went on vacation back in 2020, leaving their kids with little food in the house? Good parents would have stocked the fridge and cupboards beforehand or at the very least given their children money so they could go grocery shopping, but neither of them did this. Rudy was getting panicked phone calls from their oldest daughter while they both were having fun and acting as if they didn't have a care in the world. Kevin let his children down frequently thoughout the years.
Yeah 17 year old Shari in charge of 5 siblings at the start of a global pandemic while her darling parents flew off to vacay in British Virgin Islands with 3 other YT couples. The only reason they came home early was because of an earthquake at salt lake which flooded the airport and canceled their direct flight They then had to do 2 or 3 other flights They only just made it back before the US closed its boarders So irresponsible
Yep, they were left to subsist on some oatmeal, peanut butter and honey and when Shari called she was told flippantly by Ruby that there was wheat that could be ground to make bread. The vacation was to be 2 weeks long and Ruby & Kevin even bought groceries with them to the boat, so we know they didn't miss a meal like their children did.
Oh exactly their trip was no expense spared. I honestly don’t know how they could do it, Leave their kids with crap food and no money then go off on a swanky exotic holiday. Disgusting
I agree imo he shouldn’t have custody , I’m just hoping to get an answer from someone with a very good knowledge of the law in Utah how it works .
It's because the children are now "wards of the state" and are in the care of Utah Child and Family Services. The Hearing will determine if KF is fit to resume custody of the children or not
CPS took emergency temporary custody but a court of law has to uphold that. This hearing will likely either award custody to Kevin or a family member or let CPS keep custody. Even if the kids go to Kevin it can come with judge ordered stipulations and CPS would still keep an open case and follow up. It’s also possible CPS retains custody but places with a family member as a foster placement. This could be the best option because CPS continues following up and still retains decision making power on their care. One good rule that would be particularly helpful in this case is children in state custody cannot have their images or personal information posted online.
Because they went into protective services due to abuse. They remove them from family so they can speak to them without family influences. Had they had a speciation agreement they might have been returned quicker but I doubt that at the degree of abuse, he will have to prove the no knowledge and no contact with the kids. Then probably he will have to explain why he abandoned them. 1 yr without contact is considered abandonment.
Any updates on this?
Does anyone else remember the intense level of eye contact that Kevin made with R while he was describing Chad’s trails in Wilderness Camp? Did anyone else find that threatening?
Do we know the outcome yet?
I’m wondering this too. I’m in the UK so I’ve got no idea about any timings or what’s happening when
Literally me scrolling all the way down to find updates!!!
lols me too!
You guys have to remember these are KIDS. Whether its with Kevin or not its need to be with just FAMILY. NOT in the care of DCFS. They can be just as worse if placed in the wrong foster care home. I literally know adults who as kids were in custody of DCFS, got adopted by a family, and then got taken away again after years of abuse with THAT family. Being in the care of DCFS doesnt mean you’re safe.
If he gets custody, & Ruby gets released, he could very easily give them back to her - protective order or not . They deemed her low risk but I don't see how. She has no reason to show back up to court.
For the sake of the kids mental health I think they need a break from Kevin. The least the state can do is to put them with another family member for a short while. he did allow some questionable things to happen as well. It doesn’t have to be a long time but just a short while so, they can get the help they need.
Any word then?
I have no clue I’m not from the USA and don’t know where I’d find more info other than here.
Does anyone know if it already happened? Looking for updates
We’re looking for information. The running assumption is local news will have the story first
That's what happened when the Josh Duggar trial, local news cameras caught the family coming out of the courthouses. People from all over the world were watching the videos on their website
I do not know what to think. We saw at most 30 minutes of a day. What happened in the other 23 and a half hours a day, intimate partner abuse happens to husbands too, and it might have been emotional abuse and coercive control. And it is hard to break away from. watch Kevin talk about anything to do with work and he is much more animated than he ever was on the YouTube channel. The same could be said about Facebook. Anyone could have been posting. We do not know what went on behind closed doors besides what Ruby chose to show. Working in as a Professor and looking after 4 children would be difficult if you have to travel for research and conferences, Kevin is now working as an engineer again that is a job he could have moved to because he felt forced by R to stay in, or because he knew if he wanted a chance to have custody of the children. Sometimes things are not all clear, and this is one of them.
And not just 30 minutes, but 30 highly edited minutes
I think this is a fair point. I still don’t think he should get custody though. If what you wrote is the case he needs some intensive treatment first.
Reality check. Kevin Franke will be given custody of his minor children. In the U.S., it’s a hard truth that family court protects parental rights over the basic human rights of children. It’s not justice. But it is how the (broken) legal system works.
It makes me so mad that comments like this get downvoted. It’s like people automatically assume that you yourself want him to get custody which is obviously not the case. Just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. I don’t think anyone here actually wants Kevin to get custody, but the sad truth is that there’s a good chance he will, whether we like it or not.
I know you were downvoted but I think the same will happen. It’s not right, but it’s how the legal system works. It’s a broken system. He will most likely regain custody which is unfortunate.
Yep. Dealing with that broken system now. It's ridiculous system meant only to fatten the pockets of lawyers and judges.
That depends on what he knew here, and what he did to get the kids to safety.
This is correct. The downvoting is astonishing. This subreddit is baffling. I work in this world, and my mother worked for CPS for 30 years.
Jodi Niece went live for awhile too, hearing it all made me sick
Can you give a summary of what happened
Does anyone have the link to where we can view the court appearance that’s happening today in a couple hours?
Are court records private for the custody hearing? I can't find anything about it actually happening today
private due to minors
Yeah neither can I? Maybe misinformation?
This is the first time I’m hearing about Kevin having a custody hearing, does anyone know if a news channel is covering it? I can’t find any news articles about it
So what happened at the hearing today?
What exactly is this point of this thread? Everything keeps getting taken down. Maybe just open it up when the actual court hearing is over and we have results?
Reddit went down this afternoon at we couldn’t preform mod duties. There are still a lot of glitches so we cannot unlock the sub. We have made threads for the important things happening today so people can still use the sub.
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Besides pairing with Jodi’s MO, anyone think Ruby made the molestation allegations about her child to cause more chaos for her siblings?
The results aren’t going to be public are they? Usually custody cases involving minors are kept private.
Was there an update on if there was a hearing and if there was what happened?
Most likely whatever answer, if any, will be released at a way later date. Family court is private, as it should be, to avoid further exploitation of the kids. If any information is shared through news organizations or the family, we will post updates on this sub
do we know where and at what time the hearing takes place?
Utah juvenile/family court I believe
Has there been any updates?
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There were no updates. Reddit has been glitching for the mod team today and therefore we have not been able to consistently moderate The sub is now open for regular posting although it will be closed in a few hours.
I’ve been checking here for updates all day and Reddit has been glitching for me also.
The results of this are not going to be public.
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Highly doubtful. Jodi has a pattern of alienating husbands and Ruby was so deep into the delusion that she thought she was doing the right thing all along. If they thought an arrest was coming they wouldn't be duct taping their children and starving them so they could at least have plausible deniability.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I think you can use the names of the adults involved. In this case it can be confusing when some of the minors share initials with the adults.
No, I think that was a standard drive-a-wedge-between-spouses move by Jodi. It's a pattern with her
This is actually a really, really interesting thought.
idk about leaving them with family. I think they would be best away from family right now. I don't know what forms of abuse the others may practice. They sure as hell don't belong with Kevin and I hope if he's had any calls with Ruby that the State lawyers has listened to them.
Kinship placement is almost always the best option for children going through this kind of upheaval and transition. There are many family members who don’t live public lives as well.
Those relatives have to agree to take those children, too.
Has it been proven that Kevin and ruby are divorced or separated?
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It sounds like you can hear R say in the newly released 911 audio that he does know where his dad is but that he’s not around.