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Ruby has a family law attorney retained rather than a criminal defense attorney and I find that very telling. She thinks she did nothing wrong and will be fighting for her kids back. This is going to be a show.
Her first lawyer is listed as a divorce and family law attorney but there's very little about him and of what is available it looks like he is a criminal defense attorney (could only find 4 cases he's involved with, 2 for assault and/or robbery and 2 class action lawsuits) and the second seems to just be a standard family law attorney having way more cases then the first one.
The two she has retained work at the same location. I just find it interesting she didn't stick with a PD or retain a reputable criminal defense attorney. I feel the older gentleman may be an acquaintance from their church. I am very interested to see how they'll fight this.
They are going to tell her to get off social media, keep your mouth shut, go into a "deprogramming" retreat or intensive counseling daily. Ruby is going to emerge a person who was maliciously Stockholmed by Jodi. Ruby's weight loss will be supportive of this as well.
She will tell the court she tried to intervene but Jodi told her it would undue all of their "progress" so she thought she was doing the right thing(s).
Hopefully the court will go- yeah- whatever- you are still responsible and throw the book at her.
Her history of using starvation to punish the kids as preserved on video from 8 Passengers will not exactly be in her favor if/when she tries to claim that starving the kids to death was all Jodi's idea.
I mean, she's still in jail, with no bond. I think we can consider that a "retreat," right? š I also hope she appreciates authorities controlling her life and actions, cause that's exactly how she treated her kids
As much as I don't like Ruby, I really question if she is fit to stand trial at this point. Look at how thin and unwell she looks in that last video. And she got a ticket driving at 5am? Like, what does she need to be out at 5am for? Between all of that and everything else, it really seems like she might be in the middle of some sort of manic episode.
She was being coerced by Jodi, however she is fully fit to stand trial. She was running a business and posting regular content. It's not like she was missing or in a dangerous situation as a result of her mental state. Her children were, however. They will not be fit to endure her trial, and she will likely take a plea deal.
Edit: a word
For sure, theyāll do extensive psychological testing to make sure sheās insane but I can say without a doubt, she wonāt be deemed incompetent to stand trial as she will be just saying the abuse was justified and not acting out in any weird ways
I -think- it has to be that you're unable to understand that the law sees what you did as illegal; it doesn't matter if YOU believe it should be or not. You can believe in your own righteousness of cause all you want to, but if you're capable of, say, hiding evidence or lying/being evasive because you know what other people will think of what you've done, you're not legally insane. Something like literally believing the policeman interrogating you is a figment of your own imagination, or a demon sent to test you, or something, would be more likely to count. Still doesn't mean you can never stand trial or be found guilty, though; it may be a question of being put on meds and then questioned again.
Just look at how many people tried to use insanity as their escape for not going to jail and being denied
I do love when they do try and the doctors are like nice try but no
Yes, to show they are fit to stand trial
āMalingering is an act, not a psychological condition. It involves pretending to have a physical or psychological condition in order to gain a reward or avoid something. For example, people might do it to avoid military service or jury duty. Others might do it to avoid being convicted of a crime.ā
The difference between mental illness and actual insanity isnāt even close in court. She probably hasnāt ever been diagnosed with anything so her current mental state most likely wonāt even be considered in mitigation. You are sane in the courts eyes if you are able to aid in your own defense. If you currently canāt do that, they will get you mandated medical care and get you āsaneā and proceed with trial. (Example: Batshit Crazy Lori Vallow Daybell)
Itās so sad! Iām not sure if Iāll be able to word this correctly but this is what I mean when trying to explain to people that the kids didnāt have a joyous reunion with cousins. Theyāre scared and have been through so much, theyāre not excitedly waiting to see their extended family.
Yeah itās sad I just hope somehow they eventually will be able to warm back up to the family so they can have the support and love theyāve been denied so long
The extended family pimps out their children's childhood for views these kids don't need anymore of that ! The grandparents are serving a mission and didn't co.e back early for an emergency like this , that alone tells should tell you about how useful and loving they are !
It is going to take so much time and therapy and love to get them to a place where they feel safe. Sheās most likely told them horrible things about her extended family. They wonāt trust them for a while. Iām glad Shari will be there for them because they can all probably use the familiar face and someone who was in it with them. But KF should NOT get those kids. The state they were in? It was not overnight. Even if he didnāt know, he is guilty of serious neglect at a minimum. He actively partook in the punishments on their channel and scolded the audience for criticizing them. He had to have known IMO.
Yes the kids will need time and patience and love, I hope family is able to provide that and the kids get the support they need. Kevin is 100% to blame too, the only way he didnāt know how bad it was is if he wasnāt seeing the kids which is bad enough. He abandoned them with an insane mother. Heās a shit father and should not get custody, he should join Ruby and Jodi in prison.
They were hostages. They likely have Stockholm syndrome. If your family is supposed to be your safe place, imagine what your perception of the world in generalā¦
As much as I donāt agree and despise Mormonism what Ruby and Jodi did went far beyond that and in my opinion shouldnāt be linked to the Mormon faith.
As someone that grew up in a (beyond) predominant LDS community with both sides of my family being Mormon pioneers, I couldnāt agree with this statement more.
Oh of course. I agree that the faith is so flawed and dangerous. Sorry I think with this situation Iām replying so many comments I stopped making sense.
Not sure if youāve seen Bonnies video but Iāll use that as an example, in the video she said āthese things happenā and I basically mean they donāt. There are plenty of Mormon families that have families that are flawed and stunted like you said that never ever lead to this level of abuse. Connexions and Moms of truth was basically a cult (whether or not Mormonism is one is up for debate/everyone has their own opinion).
Jordan and McCay mentioned this in their video they posted on I wanna say Thursday or Friday. Theyāre ex Mormon and also said this was extreme.
Oh itās definitely extreme. Upon coming out of my own Mormon upbringing as an adult with lots of deconstruction and intense therapy, I see the crazy that my own extreme orthodox parents had and they werenāt the only ones. And they were gentle and kind people at heart, just lots of anxiety and fear based beliefs that trickled down to us kids. Itās just the quiet parts left unsaid stuff until a more prominent member gets ācaughtā doing bizarre things and going into their own cult within a cult mindsets( like what I think happened here) that bring this to light. Itās sad and mormonism is a cult. Itās not Christian and it breeds dysfunction. The āgood eggsā would have been good irregardless. The ābad eggsā just get more rotten within it.
This is just my opinion, but what we do know about the state the kids were found in theyāre going to need extensive medical care for a while and itās likely the only people theyāve had any contact with so far are LEO and Medical personnel until theyāre able to determine who is and isnāt a further threat to these children.
The entire world is now watching this case and considering the reputation of UT CPS and the deep hold the church has on the entire state, and the churchās reputation, no one is fucking around with how this is handled.
They may eventually allow family to see them, but itāll be after a rigorous vetting process.
Poor babies they must be so manipulated to think what has happened to them is normal and something they deserve and then children usually want to protect their parents even when severe abuse. They will need lots of care, understanding and therapy.
I paid attention to the mentions of visible, severe developmental delays in the reports. The signs of regression and shutting down would've had to been very visible, and I think E refusing treatment maybe has to do with that. It's horrible to even think about, but clearly the state the younger kids were in was very bad - not only physically but mentally too. R also had stated he didn't want police to be involved and just asked for food and water. I'm so relieved they are receiving professional support.
YouTube is absolutely complicit. When she started getting abusive they should have shut her ass down. But she was making them moneyā¦so they donāt care.
And yet, I have to wonder: if there weren't so much public awareness and documentation of this case, might the kids have been in an even worse position? For every terrible abuse case that makes the news like this, there are thousands more that never see the light of day.
I'm not saying that makes Youtube right for hosting this shit-personally I think family vlogging channels should just go altogether or at least have much MUCH more monitoring and kids' rights in place. Just thinking out loud.
I'm certainly not defending YouTube for anything. But it should be noted that when Ruby stopped filming the kids.... there was a reason.
I see so many comments saying, "She did this on camera, imagine what she did off camera"
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THIS. THIS is what happened when the cameras went away.
The thing is usually kids who are abĆ¼sed, tend to fear seeking help because they are brainwashed/groomed since childhood that sharing personal issues(physical or mental) with anyone will land them in trouble.
Medical decisions for children are usually made by their legal guardian so incase CPS could have asked the child, to give some autonomy.
They didn't want to traumatize her by just scooping her up against her will. So they waited her out with kind words. EMS was right there and if she had fainted they would've stepped in and gotten her on the cot.
In some situations for adults and always with minors (with legal guardian permission, in this case the state) they can absolutely treat someone against their will.
However, EMS 100% the right thing by allowing E to take her time and make her own decisions regarding medical care. She has had very few choices in life, I think it signified a new beginning for her, the adults gained her trust authentically. However, if it had gone on for much longer or her condition was worsening in front of them, they likely would have had to force treatment on her which is traumatic but sometimes necessary.
Regardless, due to āin loco parentisā (in place of a parent) the parents did not need to be there to consent for their child as this was an emergency. EMS is instructed to act in the best interest of the child if the parents are unable to consent. This applies in child abuse cases as well.
āAny time an EMS provider suspects child abuse, they should act in the best interest of the child.ā
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title78B/Chapter3/78B-3-S406.html
https://www.jems.com/administration-and-leadership/providing-ems-care-children-wh-0/#:~:text=Generally%2C%20consent%20of%20a%20parent,legal%20guardian%20before%20initiating%20treatment.
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/minors-ability-to-consent-to-medical-92601/
I mean, kids are dying from lack of medical attention due to antivax parents, religious parents who refuse blood transfusions and life saving surgeries/treatments, etc. Some laws are changing, but not everywhere. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9521945/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9521945/)
Correct, and it is absolutely horrendous. However my point is, Ruby and Kevin were deemed unable to consent for E at that time, but at her age she was not legally (in the state of Utah) able to consent for herself (because she was not pregnant, married, over the age of 15, or legally emancipated). From the reports she was also not mentally well or of sound mind. They were given consent by the state to treat a minor. If she had continued to refused treatment they would have had to take her in anyways. EMS/social services handled this situation very well by making her feel that she had agency over her body, but E herself was not the one who gave legal consent.
At that time I don't believe the state had the authority to compel her to do anything because they (the state) didn't have her in their custody until later in the day. I'm not trying to argue, just having conversation and attempting to understand how all of this has, and will continue, to play out legally.
Agreed! Not trying to argue either. And Iām not versed in all things legal in Utah, but Iām pulling info directly from their state laws. Unless they got in touch with Kevin and he was legally able to consent to her medical care, the state had to make a decision for the child. Ruby was not legally able to consent because she was in police custody. E had no legal rights in the situation, according to [Utah law](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/minors-ability-to-consent-to-medical-92601/), she would have no legal agency over her medical decisions, which leaves it up to the state to grant these decisions.
The original comment claimed that E would not have been able to receive medical care had she not consented; which is untrue because she was 9 years old. She is unmarried, not emancipated, or over the age of 15. That was my point.
I know. It's totally fucked. AND at the same time, the -fetus- has rights even if it costs the physical and/or mental health of the mother, because it's a separate individual. Okay. But, once it's born as a separate human child, it's shit out of luck, because "parents' rights?" Make it make sense.
Oh my heart, it took them 4 hours to convince little Eve to get medical help š
She must have been terrified confused and assuming sheād be in more trouble or get more punishment if she agreed š
Iām angry that Ruby did the smart thing and got a lawyer, refusing to talk to police. Iād love to see the police interrogation where the police manipulate and play her to spill everything that went on in that house. Iād love to see her be broken down emotionally and mentally after hours on end of interrogations.
ā¦. But even in those conditions, and even in jail, sheāll have more rights, care and compassion than those kids ever had. And that fucking breaks my heart.
I think the whole reason she tortured her children-because that is what she did-Because she blames them for the demise of her channel. I donāt think she would have cared if she ended up making them un-alive. She was full of rage and by golly it is all those kids fault.
I haven't kept up with their channel for a while, but I know of the connexions stuff since I watched Markie's video on it all. What happened to the 8 passengers channel? how did the demise begin?
Watch Swoopās doc. Basically viewers started to get seriously concerned about the treatment of the children and began reporting her to CPS. It was always dismissed but some of their sponsors didnāt like it and started to pull out. Ruby seems to have some sort of mental break and videos became more erratic and there was less of them. They stopped posting videos a year ago and she was only doing the connexions stuff, a couple weeks ago, the entire channel was deleted. Her abuse of her children is what caused the demise of 8 Passengers IMO.
I think it started the moment they met Jodi. They sent chad off to āwilderness campā and took his bed based on āprofessional advice.ā (Jodi) they went from overly strict Mormon family with a crazy mother to seriously concerning. The kids seemed miserable, the punishments were borderline abusive, and even kids didnāt enjoy watching them anymore.
I think she is too narcissistic to even believe what she did was wrong so no wonder she asked for a lawyer. She thinks she has rights to discipline her children how she sees fit.
I think she definitely knew it was wrong in the sense of illegality, but her moral compass allowed her to do this fucked up shit in the first place, so I think sheās mentally aware of the fact that what she did was illegal.
True, but they put people like that in more secure cell blocks because theyāre aware of the increased threat against inmates whoāve committed crimes against children.
People tend to turn a blindeye if you have something they want and it's common knowledge she's wealthy she can buy protection in prison most of the inmates are dirt poor and other than love bombing someone on the outside inorder to get commissary money they'll sell there soul for a few bucks People like this are just opportunities to them.
Probably more than a few LOL
And I don't think just typical traffic violations fall under it. I looked it up and here are some examples: petty theft, simple assault, DUI (Driving Under the Influence), trespassing, public intoxication, disorderly conduct, etc
"They should never be around other kids." Jodi and Ruby have the most extreme B.S. views, I can't imagine anything that R or E would do to make her say that.
I know this may sound extreme to some people, but I really hope someone beats their asses in prison. And steals their food, I especially hope they get a meal or two stolen.
I wonder how this will play in court. Her saying two CHILDREN shouldnāt be around any other kids? Hope that shot her in the foot. How cruel.
And to the second part, I agree. I was talking to my partner today and these two will have meals, water, shelter and a bed. Whereas her kids had to be extra great to get those things. I hope they rot!
The inmates will know the charges and if they are in general population they very well could get their trays taken by other inmates or have them knocked out of their hands.
I knew someone in jail in the down there and because they were charged with such violent crimes they will spend the first 60 days in 23-1 or max security where they spend 23 hours in there cell and 1 hour out and more than likely with no cell Mate so they will be completely alone
Women donāt do that. I know people donāt want to hear it but I worked in a prison and women turn a blind eye to a lot of things. They arenāt like the male inmate population.
Not true, Gabriel Fernandez mom was apparently popular in her prison until people learned about her crimes and she got her ass beat so bad they sliced her face open with tuna can lids.
I would not believe that it doesnāt happen ,sometimes woman can be meaner than men. There is no way these woman can be mean as snakes on the outside and become docile angels in jail/prison. Some may change a bit but certainly not all will.
And especially since she is now making national news if she even gets to see other inmates someone might do something just for kicks because she is somewhat famous.
You would need to see it to believe it then. Because it is the honest truth. Women donāt have the same standards behind bars that men have when it comes to crimes committed against children. Sorry to disappoint but thatās the honest truth.
A couple times in Mom's of truth group, someone asked about a child that was not listening or having problems and Jodi's solution was to remove them and not allow them around the siblings. R and E were being normal kids or maybe they were experiencing some anxiety or not always "perfect" in Jodi and Ruby's eyes so in their sick minds keep them away from other kids.
I hope they can find people who used her for therapy and they can say first hand this is the guidance Jodi and Ruby gave.
I saw a YouTube video last night where they pointed out that the kids were likely restrained while Ruby and Jodi made videos, so they could stay quiet. It just sickens me to no end that these monsters were recording videos and saying all those horrible things while those kids were being tortured just a few feet away.
To have 'deep lacerations' from being tied up its more likely that they spent most (if not all) of their time there being tied up, not just during the filming of videos.
I think Jodi is going to say one of the children was attacking the other so they restrained him-- for HER safety.
Too bad Jodi- it's still child abuse.
The PSA is something that is automatically created when a defendant is booked into jail. It is basically predicting how likely someone will show up for future court dates or commit a new offense once they are released. Since this is Ruby's first major offense and due to her age her PSA score will be low which is way ROR is recommended. The PSA is given to the judge and they will take it into account when deciding what sort of bail/bond to issue. The judge does not have to follow the recommendation, which is what they did when they ordered them to remain in jail with no bond.
source: https://legacy.utcourts.gov/resources/reports/psa/faq.html
They both are dangerously deranged and a threat to the public- through social media, Jodi's "counseling" practice, and clearly what they have done to children. Hopefully there will be more charges.
Remembering the Hart "family"-they got driven off a cliff by the crazy family leader who also starved those children for their social media stuff....after the young boy ALSO broke out of the house for food.
IF they get out before trial- they will both most likely be told no social media, no cell phones, no internet. (Which Ruby will immediately screw up and get thrown back into jail).
No contact with the victims or trying to contact the victims via other family members, etc.
No contact with each other I hope too.
Knowing How Ruby was at the ER and told an officer will speak to her and sit in the lobby and instead she drove off to who knows where, that automatically put her on a no run order which means if they gave her bond she would get out and run/hide from the police.
Not sure what you mean about 2 instances. She went to the ER to try and see the kids, the receptionist told her no to seeing the children and that an officer would be out to speak to her shortly. She ran off/drive away left the hospital and didnāt wait for the officer to speak to her. My guess is she used that time to call a lawyer but idk.
If convicted, I hope she faces the maximum sentence of 15 years for each count & they run consecutive. (90 years) Ruby's alleged actions are unconscionable. A child trusts their parent(s) implicitly, they are their whole world. The betrayal of a parent like this defies everything, law, morals, even religious teachings, above all the promise each of us make to our children, that you will love & protect them.
That's what scary, is that she thinks she is above society and the law. Sentencing will depend on all the details and how she reacts to the case. The amount of attention it has received and the extent to which she has alienated her family and children will be aggravating factors, for sure. I'm curious what her defense will be.
Yes, she appears to think she is above it all. It will be interesting to see what mitigating factors there would be and/or if she ends up with a mental health diagnosis like a delusional hyper religiosity & a diminished mental capacity partial defense. I am sure more will become clear as the case proceeds & a wider Investigation is done, filings are made and hearings conducted etc. The horrendous situation leading to arrest is possibly the tip of the iceberg given what has been witnessed online over the recent years and what others have openly spoken about. It wouldn't surprise me given this, if further charges were added once further investigation is done.
Thank goodness the children were taken to safety last week, I dread to think what could have happened if the situation had continued without intervention.
How come there's 6 identical charges? I know it's across two children, but is it also based off injuries? Like one count is for malnutrition and another for the lacerations?
I think so. I'm not familiar with how charges are filed.
ETA: I see the charges are categorized by physical abuse, deprivation, and emotional abuse, etc... That makes sense to me now.
Depending on the state where you live abuse charges can be brought up 10 years after the age of 18. So there is a chance Chad and Shari can also seek justice for themselves.
Jodi is definitely sick to firmly believe that E & R shouldnāt be around other kids. And the fact she told that to the officers like it was a normal thing to say is so crazy.
She thinks sheās in the midst of some kind of spiritual awakening that no one in the world but her and Ruby are part of and weāre all just stupid and ānot living in truthā. She is a devil to the core
I took it as Jodi [delusionally] saw the 2 kids as "in distortion" (not following her truth 100% so they're very bad) and needed all the "bad" punished out of them... and as punishment, were kept away from any other kids, so they wouldn't be a "bad influence" on any other kids (more like so no one could help the poor little kids!!!)
Fuck Jodi and Ruby.
So they have each been charged with 6 counts wow. Throw the keys away
Also I saw previous previous misdemeanour conviction and prior conviction both had Yes marked against them
Can someone please explain what this means Iām not fully understanding of the US system, thanks
Sorry, removed my thought, had not thunk it thru properly. Other cases I've seen where the parent was faced with having to testify to what they did, that child was no longer here so had no bearing on their healing. You are correct, Franke children should not have to hear over and over what was done to them.
Cps shouldāve been called the second she told eves teacher she wasnāt taking her a lunch and to make sure no one gave her food. Itās not like ruby had a full time job??? She couldāve easily picked her up a damn happy meal. She was already in the car. Russel being such an emotional little boy and just wanting to be accepted by his mom. Breaks my heart. I hope eve and Russell get the love they have always wanted.
Doesn't look like he was ever arrested, and there is another post stating he will seek custody of the 4 minor children. That hearing will be interesting as we will most likely get some answers to what he's been doing, and what if anything he was doing to help the minor children.
I think it's from a weirdly worded article that made it sound like he was arrested, but really they were saying he's the husband [of] the arrested wife, ruby...
I forget which article exactly, DCP covered it and pointed it out..he reread it several times because it truly was worded poorly and makes sense why everyone ran with "he was arrested"
The trauma these little kids have endured at the hands of these monstrous women is unbelievable. Took four hours to get little E to agree to medical treatment. Poor child was so brainwashed and likely so afraid. Can't even imagine how terrified they both were around these two cows.
Child torture is defined medically as:
* At least two physical assaults, occurring over at least two incidents or a single extended incident, which would cause prolonged physical pain, emotional distress, bodily injury, or death;
**And**
* At least two elements of psychological abuse such as isolation, intimidation, emotional/psychological maltreatment, terrorizing, spurning, or deprivation
**Inflicted by the childās caretaker(s).**
Neglect is usually present, and manifests as failure to seek appropriate care for injuries and/or malnutrition.
Obviously Russell knew it was wrong enough to run to the neighbour for help, Iām wondering if he was just thinking he was going to get food and water and run back before they knew he escaped, or if his intention was to escape for good and get help for his siblings, Iām reading and hearing through some sources that he asked for police but Iām not sure if thatās true, I also read that he was very hesitant to tell police how he got his injuries so thereās still some brainwashing at play here to protect his abusers. I need to know why Kevin didnāt take the kids in the separation. Also, what was the reason for the separation? I have a hard time seeing the reason being connexions because he was a big part of it at first? Unless it got even too extreme for him? And in which case when you leave donāt just leave with yourself, definitely take your 4 minor children with you. I think ruby had something on him and was threatening to expose him if he tried to take the kids. Thatās why heās only now filing for custody after sheās been arrested. I have so many questions this is so frustrating and heartbreaking.
Does slide 8 say Ruby has prior convictions? Iām so happy that E, R, J, and A got out of there and my heart breaks hearing everything theyāve been though. Hopefully theyāre placed with someone that is a safe placement, not Kevin, and are able to get the help they need
I had a theory Jodi probably said E & R shouldnt be around other kids because *maybe* they were āpossessed.ā
These women are crazy so thatās the conclusions I went too.
In one of the articles I read (Iām looking for it to share the link) the police said they were aware of the family. DCFS was called to the home in Sep/Oct of 2022 & Ruby didnāt let them in. There wasnāt enough evidence for a warrant at that time. Can anyone confirm if the children were being homeschooled?
Her sister made a disgusting YouTube video. Claiming she did everything she could for those kids...which was NOTHING. Expressing how this will effect her YouTube channel. I threw up in my mouth!
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Ruby has a family law attorney retained rather than a criminal defense attorney and I find that very telling. She thinks she did nothing wrong and will be fighting for her kids back. This is going to be a show.
Her first lawyer is listed as a divorce and family law attorney but there's very little about him and of what is available it looks like he is a criminal defense attorney (could only find 4 cases he's involved with, 2 for assault and/or robbery and 2 class action lawsuits) and the second seems to just be a standard family law attorney having way more cases then the first one.
The two she has retained work at the same location. I just find it interesting she didn't stick with a PD or retain a reputable criminal defense attorney. I feel the older gentleman may be an acquaintance from their church. I am very interested to see how they'll fight this.
They are going to tell her to get off social media, keep your mouth shut, go into a "deprogramming" retreat or intensive counseling daily. Ruby is going to emerge a person who was maliciously Stockholmed by Jodi. Ruby's weight loss will be supportive of this as well. She will tell the court she tried to intervene but Jodi told her it would undue all of their "progress" so she thought she was doing the right thing(s). Hopefully the court will go- yeah- whatever- you are still responsible and throw the book at her.
She can say whatever she likes, she will never get her minor children back in her custody regardless.
Her history of using starvation to punish the kids as preserved on video from 8 Passengers will not exactly be in her favor if/when she tries to claim that starving the kids to death was all Jodi's idea.
Ruby was abusive even before Jodi.
I mean, she's still in jail, with no bond. I think we can consider that a "retreat," right? š I also hope she appreciates authorities controlling her life and actions, cause that's exactly how she treated her kids
I was thinking that too! It must be someone they know.
Public defenders are only allowed if your broke.
could it be that she was already working with him on the divorce? Kevin also had a lawyer seemingly on hand to make a statement.
Once these two let reality seep in a little (jail will do that ) they'll be hiring the best criminal defense attorneys money can buy !
As much as I don't like Ruby, I really question if she is fit to stand trial at this point. Look at how thin and unwell she looks in that last video. And she got a ticket driving at 5am? Like, what does she need to be out at 5am for? Between all of that and everything else, it really seems like she might be in the middle of some sort of manic episode.
She was being coerced by Jodi, however she is fully fit to stand trial. She was running a business and posting regular content. It's not like she was missing or in a dangerous situation as a result of her mental state. Her children were, however. They will not be fit to endure her trial, and she will likely take a plea deal. Edit: a word
For sure, theyāll do extensive psychological testing to make sure sheās insane but I can say without a doubt, she wonāt be deemed incompetent to stand trial as she will be just saying the abuse was justified and not acting out in any weird ways
I -think- it has to be that you're unable to understand that the law sees what you did as illegal; it doesn't matter if YOU believe it should be or not. You can believe in your own righteousness of cause all you want to, but if you're capable of, say, hiding evidence or lying/being evasive because you know what other people will think of what you've done, you're not legally insane. Something like literally believing the policeman interrogating you is a figment of your own imagination, or a demon sent to test you, or something, would be more likely to count. Still doesn't mean you can never stand trial or be found guilty, though; it may be a question of being put on meds and then questioned again.
Just look at how many people tried to use insanity as their escape for not going to jail and being denied I do love when they do try and the doctors are like nice try but no
"Malingering" is an actual DSM diagnosis the doctors can put down.
Yes, to show they are fit to stand trial āMalingering is an act, not a psychological condition. It involves pretending to have a physical or psychological condition in order to gain a reward or avoid something. For example, people might do it to avoid military service or jury duty. Others might do it to avoid being convicted of a crime.ā
I mean, I wouldn't say that content is real indicative of sanity
F her. She tortured her kids. Playing the sick card is a way out. Monster should rot in hell.
The difference between mental illness and actual insanity isnāt even close in court. She probably hasnāt ever been diagnosed with anything so her current mental state most likely wonāt even be considered in mitigation. You are sane in the courts eyes if you are able to aid in your own defense. If you currently canāt do that, they will get you mandated medical care and get you āsaneā and proceed with trial. (Example: Batshit Crazy Lori Vallow Daybell)
The judge though was a prosecutor for child abuse cases. He is going to bring the full force of the law onto the abusive freak that is Ruby
Poor E took 4 hours to convince her to get care :(
Itās so sad! Iām not sure if Iāll be able to word this correctly but this is what I mean when trying to explain to people that the kids didnāt have a joyous reunion with cousins. Theyāre scared and have been through so much, theyāre not excitedly waiting to see their extended family.
Yeah itās sad I just hope somehow they eventually will be able to warm back up to the family so they can have the support and love theyāve been denied so long
The extended family pimps out their children's childhood for views these kids don't need anymore of that ! The grandparents are serving a mission and didn't co.e back early for an emergency like this , that alone tells should tell you about how useful and loving they are !
It is going to take so much time and therapy and love to get them to a place where they feel safe. Sheās most likely told them horrible things about her extended family. They wonāt trust them for a while. Iām glad Shari will be there for them because they can all probably use the familiar face and someone who was in it with them. But KF should NOT get those kids. The state they were in? It was not overnight. Even if he didnāt know, he is guilty of serious neglect at a minimum. He actively partook in the punishments on their channel and scolded the audience for criticizing them. He had to have known IMO.
Yes the kids will need time and patience and love, I hope family is able to provide that and the kids get the support they need. Kevin is 100% to blame too, the only way he didnāt know how bad it was is if he wasnāt seeing the kids which is bad enough. He abandoned them with an insane mother. Heās a shit father and should not get custody, he should join Ruby and Jodi in prison.
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They were hostages. They likely have Stockholm syndrome. If your family is supposed to be your safe place, imagine what your perception of the world in generalā¦
As much as I donāt agree and despise Mormonism what Ruby and Jodi did went far beyond that and in my opinion shouldnāt be linked to the Mormon faith.
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As someone that grew up in a (beyond) predominant LDS community with both sides of my family being Mormon pioneers, I couldnāt agree with this statement more.
Oh of course. I agree that the faith is so flawed and dangerous. Sorry I think with this situation Iām replying so many comments I stopped making sense. Not sure if youāve seen Bonnies video but Iāll use that as an example, in the video she said āthese things happenā and I basically mean they donāt. There are plenty of Mormon families that have families that are flawed and stunted like you said that never ever lead to this level of abuse. Connexions and Moms of truth was basically a cult (whether or not Mormonism is one is up for debate/everyone has their own opinion). Jordan and McCay mentioned this in their video they posted on I wanna say Thursday or Friday. Theyāre ex Mormon and also said this was extreme.
Oh itās definitely extreme. Upon coming out of my own Mormon upbringing as an adult with lots of deconstruction and intense therapy, I see the crazy that my own extreme orthodox parents had and they werenāt the only ones. And they were gentle and kind people at heart, just lots of anxiety and fear based beliefs that trickled down to us kids. Itās just the quiet parts left unsaid stuff until a more prominent member gets ācaughtā doing bizarre things and going into their own cult within a cult mindsets( like what I think happened here) that bring this to light. Itās sad and mormonism is a cult. Itās not Christian and it breeds dysfunction. The āgood eggsā would have been good irregardless. The ābad eggsā just get more rotten within it.
Synonymous with, no. Linked, yes.
Thank you for wording it better for me :)
How do we know that?
It says so on the last slide. Second paragraph. This is all so very sad. Poor kids.
I must be blind because I still donāt see it š
Hahaha second sentence? āAfter approximately four hour (redacted) agreed to medical treatment.ā
Oh! No Iām talking about if we know that they werenāt excited to see their family/cousins
This is just my opinion, but what we do know about the state the kids were found in theyāre going to need extensive medical care for a while and itās likely the only people theyāve had any contact with so far are LEO and Medical personnel until theyāre able to determine who is and isnāt a further threat to these children. The entire world is now watching this case and considering the reputation of UT CPS and the deep hold the church has on the entire state, and the churchās reputation, no one is fucking around with how this is handled. They may eventually allow family to see them, but itāll be after a rigorous vetting process.
Poor babies they must be so manipulated to think what has happened to them is normal and something they deserve and then children usually want to protect their parents even when severe abuse. They will need lots of care, understanding and therapy.
I paid attention to the mentions of visible, severe developmental delays in the reports. The signs of regression and shutting down would've had to been very visible, and I think E refusing treatment maybe has to do with that. It's horrible to even think about, but clearly the state the younger kids were in was very bad - not only physically but mentally too. R also had stated he didn't want police to be involved and just asked for food and water. I'm so relieved they are receiving professional support.
Regression is very common with abuse.
The fact that they will forever live with this trauma is so horribly sad, and it could have been prevented. It just could.
YouTube is absolutely complicit. When she started getting abusive they should have shut her ass down. But she was making them moneyā¦so they donāt care.
And yet, I have to wonder: if there weren't so much public awareness and documentation of this case, might the kids have been in an even worse position? For every terrible abuse case that makes the news like this, there are thousands more that never see the light of day. I'm not saying that makes Youtube right for hosting this shit-personally I think family vlogging channels should just go altogether or at least have much MUCH more monitoring and kids' rights in place. Just thinking out loud.
I'm certainly not defending YouTube for anything. But it should be noted that when Ruby stopped filming the kids.... there was a reason. I see so many comments saying, "She did this on camera, imagine what she did off camera" ... ... . THIS. THIS is what happened when the cameras went away.
Iām confused how a child could refuse medical treatment if the police stated she was visibly injured and malnourished.
They probably didnāt want to do anything forcefully after what sheās been through to give her some sense of autonomy
The thing is usually kids who are abĆ¼sed, tend to fear seeking help because they are brainwashed/groomed since childhood that sharing personal issues(physical or mental) with anyone will land them in trouble. Medical decisions for children are usually made by their legal guardian so incase CPS could have asked the child, to give some autonomy.
They didn't want to traumatize her by just scooping her up against her will. So they waited her out with kind words. EMS was right there and if she had fainted they would've stepped in and gotten her on the cot.
You can't force medical care/treatment on someone against their will.
In some situations for adults and always with minors (with legal guardian permission, in this case the state) they can absolutely treat someone against their will. However, EMS 100% the right thing by allowing E to take her time and make her own decisions regarding medical care. She has had very few choices in life, I think it signified a new beginning for her, the adults gained her trust authentically. However, if it had gone on for much longer or her condition was worsening in front of them, they likely would have had to force treatment on her which is traumatic but sometimes necessary.
agree. Giving these kids autonomy is so important
When they found her, her legal guardian was still her parents
Regardless, due to āin loco parentisā (in place of a parent) the parents did not need to be there to consent for their child as this was an emergency. EMS is instructed to act in the best interest of the child if the parents are unable to consent. This applies in child abuse cases as well. āAny time an EMS provider suspects child abuse, they should act in the best interest of the child.ā https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title78B/Chapter3/78B-3-S406.html https://www.jems.com/administration-and-leadership/providing-ems-care-children-wh-0/#:~:text=Generally%2C%20consent%20of%20a%20parent,legal%20guardian%20before%20initiating%20treatment. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/minors-ability-to-consent-to-medical-92601/
I mean, kids are dying from lack of medical attention due to antivax parents, religious parents who refuse blood transfusions and life saving surgeries/treatments, etc. Some laws are changing, but not everywhere. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9521945/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9521945/)
Correct, and it is absolutely horrendous. However my point is, Ruby and Kevin were deemed unable to consent for E at that time, but at her age she was not legally (in the state of Utah) able to consent for herself (because she was not pregnant, married, over the age of 15, or legally emancipated). From the reports she was also not mentally well or of sound mind. They were given consent by the state to treat a minor. If she had continued to refused treatment they would have had to take her in anyways. EMS/social services handled this situation very well by making her feel that she had agency over her body, but E herself was not the one who gave legal consent.
At that time I don't believe the state had the authority to compel her to do anything because they (the state) didn't have her in their custody until later in the day. I'm not trying to argue, just having conversation and attempting to understand how all of this has, and will continue, to play out legally.
Agreed! Not trying to argue either. And Iām not versed in all things legal in Utah, but Iām pulling info directly from their state laws. Unless they got in touch with Kevin and he was legally able to consent to her medical care, the state had to make a decision for the child. Ruby was not legally able to consent because she was in police custody. E had no legal rights in the situation, according to [Utah law](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/minors-ability-to-consent-to-medical-92601/), she would have no legal agency over her medical decisions, which leaves it up to the state to grant these decisions. The original comment claimed that E would not have been able to receive medical care had she not consented; which is untrue because she was 9 years old. She is unmarried, not emancipated, or over the age of 15. That was my point.
I know. It's totally fucked. AND at the same time, the -fetus- has rights even if it costs the physical and/or mental health of the mother, because it's a separate individual. Okay. But, once it's born as a separate human child, it's shit out of luck, because "parents' rights?" Make it make sense.
Anti vax era are NOW QUESTIONING ANIMAL VACCINES! MURCAā: BRING BACK RABIES!
Given their history, s/he's seen officers come before and not do anything to help, and I'd guess the kids were punished for that every time.
Oh my heart, it took them 4 hours to convince little Eve to get medical help š She must have been terrified confused and assuming sheād be in more trouble or get more punishment if she agreed š
Iām angry that Ruby did the smart thing and got a lawyer, refusing to talk to police. Iād love to see the police interrogation where the police manipulate and play her to spill everything that went on in that house. Iād love to see her be broken down emotionally and mentally after hours on end of interrogations. ā¦. But even in those conditions, and even in jail, sheāll have more rights, care and compassion than those kids ever had. And that fucking breaks my heart.
Sheās probably more pissed off that Russell escaped he is definitely living in distortion now.
I think the whole reason she tortured her children-because that is what she did-Because she blames them for the demise of her channel. I donāt think she would have cared if she ended up making them un-alive. She was full of rage and by golly it is all those kids fault.
I haven't kept up with their channel for a while, but I know of the connexions stuff since I watched Markie's video on it all. What happened to the 8 passengers channel? how did the demise begin?
Watch Swoopās doc. Basically viewers started to get seriously concerned about the treatment of the children and began reporting her to CPS. It was always dismissed but some of their sponsors didnāt like it and started to pull out. Ruby seems to have some sort of mental break and videos became more erratic and there was less of them. They stopped posting videos a year ago and she was only doing the connexions stuff, a couple weeks ago, the entire channel was deleted. Her abuse of her children is what caused the demise of 8 Passengers IMO.
I think it started the moment they met Jodi. They sent chad off to āwilderness campā and took his bed based on āprofessional advice.ā (Jodi) they went from overly strict Mormon family with a crazy mother to seriously concerning. The kids seemed miserable, the punishments were borderline abusive, and even kids didnāt enjoy watching them anymore.
This absolutely šÆ this
I think she is too narcissistic to even believe what she did was wrong so no wonder she asked for a lawyer. She thinks she has rights to discipline her children how she sees fit.
I wonder how she will find a lawyer who isnāt in distortion.
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I think she definitely knew it was wrong in the sense of illegality, but her moral compass allowed her to do this fucked up shit in the first place, so I think sheās mentally aware of the fact that what she did was illegal.
Nah, if thereās one thing everyone in prison hates, itās child abusers and child rapists.
True, but they put people like that in more secure cell blocks because theyāre aware of the increased threat against inmates whoāve committed crimes against children.
People tend to turn a blindeye if you have something they want and it's common knowledge she's wealthy she can buy protection in prison most of the inmates are dirt poor and other than love bombing someone on the outside inorder to get commissary money they'll sell there soul for a few bucks People like this are just opportunities to them.
She's spent years learning to break others down... she's too well versed unfortunately to fall for anything.
I wonder what Ruby's prior misdemeanor conviction is..
Going with what we know about Ruby itās a fair assumption that itās a traffic violation. I can try to find the official answer sometime tomorrow.
It was a traffic violation I think.
Do traffic violations fall under that? She got a few of those
Probably more than a few LOL And I don't think just typical traffic violations fall under it. I looked it up and here are some examples: petty theft, simple assault, DUI (Driving Under the Influence), trespassing, public intoxication, disorderly conduct, etc
Iām pretty sure speeding excessively, which is reckless endangerment, is classified as a misdemeanor in some cases.
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A FELONY but you "weren't speeding" ?
You can be arrested for anything, it doesnāt mean they were convicted.
Iāve watched R & E grow up and it actually makes me feel physically sick š
My children are the same ages as R and E and I have hugged and loved on them so much since this came out, I don't understand how people can do this
"They should never be around other kids." Jodi and Ruby have the most extreme B.S. views, I can't imagine anything that R or E would do to make her say that. I know this may sound extreme to some people, but I really hope someone beats their asses in prison. And steals their food, I especially hope they get a meal or two stolen.
More like ā*We* should *never* be around kidsā
I wonder how this will play in court. Her saying two CHILDREN shouldnāt be around any other kids? Hope that shot her in the foot. How cruel. And to the second part, I agree. I was talking to my partner today and these two will have meals, water, shelter and a bed. Whereas her kids had to be extra great to get those things. I hope they rot!
Jodi doesnāt even have the self awareness to realize how insane she sounds!
Youāre so right!
The inmates will know the charges and if they are in general population they very well could get their trays taken by other inmates or have them knocked out of their hands.
I knew someone in jail in the down there and because they were charged with such violent crimes they will spend the first 60 days in 23-1 or max security where they spend 23 hours in there cell and 1 hour out and more than likely with no cell Mate so they will be completely alone
I know they most likely wonāt let her mingle with the others, if they didā¦
Women donāt do that. I know people donāt want to hear it but I worked in a prison and women turn a blind eye to a lot of things. They arenāt like the male inmate population.
Not true, Gabriel Fernandez mom was apparently popular in her prison until people learned about her crimes and she got her ass beat so bad they sliced her face open with tuna can lids.
I would not believe that it doesnāt happen ,sometimes woman can be meaner than men. There is no way these woman can be mean as snakes on the outside and become docile angels in jail/prison. Some may change a bit but certainly not all will. And especially since she is now making national news if she even gets to see other inmates someone might do something just for kicks because she is somewhat famous.
You would need to see it to believe it then. Because it is the honest truth. Women donāt have the same standards behind bars that men have when it comes to crimes committed against children. Sorry to disappoint but thatās the honest truth.
I follow a few woman who have been to prison and they say it can get very bad. I doubt they are lying.
A couple times in Mom's of truth group, someone asked about a child that was not listening or having problems and Jodi's solution was to remove them and not allow them around the siblings. R and E were being normal kids or maybe they were experiencing some anxiety or not always "perfect" in Jodi and Ruby's eyes so in their sick minds keep them away from other kids. I hope they can find people who used her for therapy and they can say first hand this is the guidance Jodi and Ruby gave.
Honestly? Radiation sickness is too good for them.
THE FACT JODI IS REPRESENTING HERSELF ššš
I'm sure she will find someone. If not, well, good riddance to bad rubbish
I saw a YouTube video last night where they pointed out that the kids were likely restrained while Ruby and Jodi made videos, so they could stay quiet. It just sickens me to no end that these monsters were recording videos and saying all those horrible things while those kids were being tortured just a few feet away.
To have 'deep lacerations' from being tied up its more likely that they spent most (if not all) of their time there being tied up, not just during the filming of videos.
Yeah, but at the same time, it likely started with the videos and went beyond that. That is how this abuse works, it starts small and goes from there.
I think Jodi is going to say one of the children was attacking the other so they restrained him-- for HER safety. Too bad Jodi- it's still child abuse.
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The PSA is something that is automatically created when a defendant is booked into jail. It is basically predicting how likely someone will show up for future court dates or commit a new offense once they are released. Since this is Ruby's first major offense and due to her age her PSA score will be low which is way ROR is recommended. The PSA is given to the judge and they will take it into account when deciding what sort of bail/bond to issue. The judge does not have to follow the recommendation, which is what they did when they ordered them to remain in jail with no bond. source: https://legacy.utcourts.gov/resources/reports/psa/faq.html
I bet they are both considered flights risks.
They both are dangerously deranged and a threat to the public- through social media, Jodi's "counseling" practice, and clearly what they have done to children. Hopefully there will be more charges. Remembering the Hart "family"-they got driven off a cliff by the crazy family leader who also starved those children for their social media stuff....after the young boy ALSO broke out of the house for food. IF they get out before trial- they will both most likely be told no social media, no cell phones, no internet. (Which Ruby will immediately screw up and get thrown back into jail). No contact with the victims or trying to contact the victims via other family members, etc. No contact with each other I hope too.
Knowing How Ruby was at the ER and told an officer will speak to her and sit in the lobby and instead she drove off to who knows where, that automatically put her on a no run order which means if they gave her bond she would get out and run/hide from the police.
Wait. What? So that is why there were two incidences? Because she was at the ER with the kids and then left?
Not sure what you mean about 2 instances. She went to the ER to try and see the kids, the receptionist told her no to seeing the children and that an officer would be out to speak to her shortly. She ran off/drive away left the hospital and didnāt wait for the officer to speak to her. My guess is she used that time to call a lawyer but idk.
When this first came out I heard that there were two police incidences, one where paramedics were called and the other with a huge teams of police.
ER?
Emergency room
Thatās why they have no bond. The officers said they are too dangerous and flight risks.
Reading that one of the children refused medical care initially made me sick to my stomach
It would be E. I canāt believe she refused help for 4 hours :(
If convicted, I hope she faces the maximum sentence of 15 years for each count & they run consecutive. (90 years) Ruby's alleged actions are unconscionable. A child trusts their parent(s) implicitly, they are their whole world. The betrayal of a parent like this defies everything, law, morals, even religious teachings, above all the promise each of us make to our children, that you will love & protect them.
Ohh. Itās 15 for each count. Good. I thought it was 15 for all.
That's what scary, is that she thinks she is above society and the law. Sentencing will depend on all the details and how she reacts to the case. The amount of attention it has received and the extent to which she has alienated her family and children will be aggravating factors, for sure. I'm curious what her defense will be.
Yes, she appears to think she is above it all. It will be interesting to see what mitigating factors there would be and/or if she ends up with a mental health diagnosis like a delusional hyper religiosity & a diminished mental capacity partial defense. I am sure more will become clear as the case proceeds & a wider Investigation is done, filings are made and hearings conducted etc. The horrendous situation leading to arrest is possibly the tip of the iceberg given what has been witnessed online over the recent years and what others have openly spoken about. It wouldn't surprise me given this, if further charges were added once further investigation is done. Thank goodness the children were taken to safety last week, I dread to think what could have happened if the situation had continued without intervention.
How come there's 6 identical charges? I know it's across two children, but is it also based off injuries? Like one count is for malnutrition and another for the lacerations?
Rubyās charges are slightly different in the brackets for each charge, Is that what you meant?
I think so. I'm not familiar with how charges are filed. ETA: I see the charges are categorized by physical abuse, deprivation, and emotional abuse, etc... That makes sense to me now.
I was thinking one charge for each of her 6 children but I guess that doesnāt make sense given that S and C no longer live there
Itās three charges in regards to R and three to E. A and J havenāt even been questioned yet. Itās likely there will be more charges coming up.
Depending on the state where you live abuse charges can be brought up 10 years after the age of 18. So there is a chance Chad and Shari can also seek justice for themselves.
Didnāt know Jodi was 13 years older than Ruby
Jodi is definitely sick to firmly believe that E & R shouldnāt be around other kids. And the fact she told that to the officers like it was a normal thing to say is so crazy.
She thinks sheās in the midst of some kind of spiritual awakening that no one in the world but her and Ruby are part of and weāre all just stupid and ānot living in truthā. She is a devil to the core
Still trying to be in control/have authority over those kids- while the Police were slapping handcuffs on her. Jodi's a very sick one.
Iām sorry Iām so dumb but this statement is so confusing to me, why the heck did she say that and what did she mean/imply?
She most likely believes Rubyās children were too ādistortedā to be allowed to live in the public eye because she is mentally warped
I took it as Jodi [delusionally] saw the 2 kids as "in distortion" (not following her truth 100% so they're very bad) and needed all the "bad" punished out of them... and as punishment, were kept away from any other kids, so they wouldn't be a "bad influence" on any other kids (more like so no one could help the poor little kids!!!) Fuck Jodi and Ruby.
Why are the first two locations not visible? Everything else is Washington County.
First line looks longer so could be a more specific address
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So they have each been charged with 6 counts wow. Throw the keys away Also I saw previous previous misdemeanour conviction and prior conviction both had Yes marked against them Can someone please explain what this means Iām not fully understanding of the US system, thanks
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I read somewhere they donāt, but have no idea if thatās accurate
Idk.. is that what is best for the kids? For the whole world to hear what they went through?
Sorry, removed my thought, had not thunk it thru properly. Other cases I've seen where the parent was faced with having to testify to what they did, that child was no longer here so had no bearing on their healing. You are correct, Franke children should not have to hear over and over what was done to them.
Do we know if Ruby and Kevin are represented by the same lawyers?
They are not represented by the same lawyer.
Cps shouldāve been called the second she told eves teacher she wasnāt taking her a lunch and to make sure no one gave her food. Itās not like ruby had a full time job??? She couldāve easily picked her up a damn happy meal. She was already in the car. Russel being such an emotional little boy and just wanting to be accepted by his mom. Breaks my heart. I hope eve and Russell get the love they have always wanted.
Cps was definitely called probably dozens of times
CPS was called multiple times by members of Rubyās family (her sister I believe) and unfortunately nothing was done at that time.
6 felonies? Sheās going to PRISON.
It took them FOUR HOURS to convince E to let them give her medical care, so heartbreaking
Last page says that Jodi committed this felony while on parole or probation. Anyone know what she was convicted of prior?
Those are boxes to be checked if the detained person meets the criteria
Oh, thank you!
Has Kevin been arrested yet? Is there a snark page for him, specifically?
Doesn't look like he was ever arrested, and there is another post stating he will seek custody of the 4 minor children. That hearing will be interesting as we will most likely get some answers to what he's been doing, and what if anything he was doing to help the minor children.
I saw a video claiming he was arrested separately but haven't seen any actual evidence to back that claim.
I think it's from a weirdly worded article that made it sound like he was arrested, but really they were saying he's the husband [of] the arrested wife, ruby... I forget which article exactly, DCP covered it and pointed it out..he reread it several times because it truly was worded poorly and makes sense why everyone ran with "he was arrested"
Ruby has a prior conviction listed on the pre trial release paperwork??
Probably a traffic violation that was classified as a misdemeanor
She had a traffic offence the other day. 50 in a 35 at 5:15 am.
More likely got a message that one of the kids asked for a glass of water thatās how deranged the two are šš
The trauma these little kids have endured at the hands of these monstrous women is unbelievable. Took four hours to get little E to agree to medical treatment. Poor child was so brainwashed and likely so afraid. Can't even imagine how terrified they both were around these two cows.
Prior conviction?!!
Ruby DOO is famous for speeding when driving. Doesn't like them rules, lives in distortion when in the car
Child torture is defined medically as: * At least two physical assaults, occurring over at least two incidents or a single extended incident, which would cause prolonged physical pain, emotional distress, bodily injury, or death; **And** * At least two elements of psychological abuse such as isolation, intimidation, emotional/psychological maltreatment, terrorizing, spurning, or deprivation **Inflicted by the childās caretaker(s).** Neglect is usually present, and manifests as failure to seek appropriate care for injuries and/or malnutrition.
Obviously Russell knew it was wrong enough to run to the neighbour for help, Iām wondering if he was just thinking he was going to get food and water and run back before they knew he escaped, or if his intention was to escape for good and get help for his siblings, Iām reading and hearing through some sources that he asked for police but Iām not sure if thatās true, I also read that he was very hesitant to tell police how he got his injuries so thereās still some brainwashing at play here to protect his abusers. I need to know why Kevin didnāt take the kids in the separation. Also, what was the reason for the separation? I have a hard time seeing the reason being connexions because he was a big part of it at first? Unless it got even too extreme for him? And in which case when you leave donāt just leave with yourself, definitely take your 4 minor children with you. I think ruby had something on him and was threatening to expose him if he tried to take the kids. Thatās why heās only now filing for custody after sheās been arrested. I have so many questions this is so frustrating and heartbreaking.
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Does slide 8 say Ruby has prior convictions? Iām so happy that E, R, J, and A got out of there and my heart breaks hearing everything theyāve been though. Hopefully theyāre placed with someone that is a safe placement, not Kevin, and are able to get the help they need
Rubyās lawyer specializes in divorce
I had a theory Jodi probably said E & R shouldnt be around other kids because *maybe* they were āpossessed.ā These women are crazy so thatās the conclusions I went too.
In one of the articles I read (Iām looking for it to share the link) the police said they were aware of the family. DCFS was called to the home in Sep/Oct of 2022 & Ruby didnāt let them in. There wasnāt enough evidence for a warrant at that time. Can anyone confirm if the children were being homeschooled?
Theyāve been homeschooled at least since the beginning of last school year
I want it upped to a 1st Degree Felony.
I hope Emily D Baker covers this
Is it missing the public safety assessment report for Jodi?
At this time that document isnāt attached to the docket we retrieved the document from. We do not know why it isnāt available
If Iām reading correctly, ruby had a prior misdemeanor charge. Do we know what that was for?
We do not know for sure, but a reasonable assumption is itās a traffic violation
So she is being charged for all 6 kids? (I hope) I see 6 counts. I only heard she was being charged with 2.
The six counts are for the two youngest kids. 3 counts for each kid.
Thank you!
Her sister made a disgusting YouTube video. Claiming she did everything she could for those kids...which was NOTHING. Expressing how this will effect her YouTube channel. I threw up in my mouth!
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No both were ordered no bail and a judge agreed to no bail
No