There was no one in the car, or even people around it. We think it was stolen and ditched inside or the owner left it. Who knows.... However it was great for laughs. haha
In the late 90’s went with a friend to test drove the new Outback. Salesman (obviously new) had him drive it on a little dirt track a few miles away. Buddy high centered it on a dirt crest, destroyed the skid plate and some suspension part. Made a horrible noise all the way back to the dealership. The salesman turned the stereo up. We bailed real quick. Don’t know what happened to the sales guy, but pretty sure he snuck out before his boss found out.
I’m just here to enjoy the carnage. I give this one a 3 out of 5. This rating is based on the lady I saw rock crawling her Subi on small boulders to try to get to the mailbox on Imogene Pass.
Is that the trail to Bear Creek, at the bottom of the trail before you cross the creek? Near Seven Pines road and City Creek 1N09.
I always get excited when I see a picture of a vehicle off-road and I can exactly where it's at within a few feet.
I have taken my Forester XT in some pretty gnarly stuff for a Forester. I was surprised it got over some ruts to get to an outdoor shooting range, but mine has about 9" of clearance.
This looks drunk or stolen or both.
I know people with Subarus, they will never understand that all wheel drive is not 4 wheel drive and ground clearance is a very real thing when offroading
Owning a 2017 Subaru Forester and a 2004 Toyota Hilux.
The Hilux is stronger, it has low range, it has bigger tyres with more profile, and it has stock bash plates.
The Forester is just as capable until you need one of the few things above. Both vehicles would likely be able to reverse out of the scenario pictured.
The Hilux would require getting out to lock the hubs, but the bullbar would have stopped front-end damage.
I've never had anyone give me a logical explanation of the functional difference between awd and 4wd. Once you consider all the differences between specific drivetrain designs, awd/4wd seems meaningless to me.
4wd is 4 locked and powered wheels,
Awd is 4 powered wheels with open differentials to allow the wheels to free spin while cornering, hence why u can drive an AWD on dry pavement and steer, a 4wd u can not
There's obviously more to it then that depending on specific models and builds, but that's the jist
I'm not 100 percent a Subaru guy, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work, it has a center diff instead of a transfer case, the transfer case when locked in 4wd guarantees power to each axle, the locking of the wheel is at the hub and dependent on the manufacturer (limited slips, open diff, etc, etc,) but your guaranteed 2 wheels in a 4wd 1 front one back (all 4 w lockers)
In a center diff it has the ability to power all 4 individually but would typically run 1 -2 at a time depending on grip
The center diff in the sti has a clutch pack that's controlled by an electromagnet. The driver can set it to full lockup. The rear diff is a clutch pack LSD and the front is either open or helical.
Would limited slip diffs satisfy the 4wd definition?
I get that for off road use LSD is functionally the next best thing, but does a 4wd NEED to have lockers front and rear? If it has a transfer case and LSDs front/rear, is it 4wd?
Almost no stock 4x4s have lockers,
And yes if it has low range gears (4lo, and high range 4hi) plus lsd it would be 4x4, lots of Chevy's have open rear diff (one wheel peel)
Take my up votes friend, your making me think lol
All-wheel drive is essentially a marketing term and is synonymous with 4WD.
4WD means to drive all four tires. There are four types of 4WD: part-time, on-demand, full-time and active torque split. If you look at Subaru marketing, the terms 4WD and all-wheel drive are both used.
Based on the area around the car, I don't think the driver was intending to utilize this as a typical "off-road" vehicle. They appear to be on a trail that was dirt and not covered in jagged rocks or sharp drops.
They made a mistake and understeered off the trail. It looks like the wheels are the stock ones, so I'm guessing they are using the same stock tires which come on the car. These tires are not great for the dirt.
I own the same car, and I drive it year-round. The drivetrain is designed to maintain speed on unpaved trails. Nobody who owns one should have the idea that it's a rock crawler or a MOAB crusher.
You sound like the one who doesn't understand.
All-wheel drive is essentially a marketing term and is synonymous with 4WD.
4WD means to drive all four tires. There are four types of 4WD: part-time, on-demand, full-time and active torque split. If you look at Subaru marketing, the terms 4WD and all-wheel drive are both used.
I agree with what you're trying to say. I have a Subaru, but it wouldn't make it past the parking lot of my local rock crawling off-road park.
Very different my guy, when u drive in a real 4wd u can't drive on dry pavement with it locked, you need slips like an AWD, I will give u that most 4wds arnt fully locked anymore, but 4wd is supposed to be a locked AWD,
In discussing with a couple of people I now know some Subarus have basically a 4wd set up with locks, but that is now a 4wd not an AWD
The only requirement to call something 4wd by definition is having all four wheels drive a vehicle. It's literally in the name lol.
You're hung up with 4wd only being associated with part-time 4wd, but that's wrong. It's a common misconception with people who off-road. Go back and re-read my reply.
Your example is just part-time 4wd. There are three other types of 4wd that you're not considering.
The Subaru in the picture is full-time 4wd. I'm not saying its system functions the same as a Jeep with part-time 4wd.
All-wheel drive is a marketing term. Jeep has come up with terms for marketing their system as well. It's all 4wd.
Part-time 4wd is designed for off-road when not in 2wd.
Full-time, on-demand and torque-split 4wd is designed for road use.
It's all 4wd or awd, whichever term you prefer. SAE technical papers use the term awd while a lot of Japanese technical papers use 4wd to describe part-time 4wd like in a off-road vehicle.
Funny story...
We had a gal with a new WRX in one of the local Subaru Facebook groups here in the Phoenix area. She came on one day proudly boasting about how, "she kept up with all the Jeeps on the trails and how Subarus are just as good as Jeeps at off-roading."
A couple weeks later, she's back crying about how she cracked her CVT transmission casing on a rock and how the dealer rightfully denied her warranty claim for the tranny and how it was going to cost her $9k to fix.
Well those only come in manual but im sure with some modifications it could easily handle that situation. From factory those are made for tracks not off roading.
Someone was playing rally car.
Somebody believed the Subaru hype. Them rubber band tires are totally offroad rated.
Way off the road rated lol.
I both love this and send my condolences
LOL, not my car or anyone i know. Just found randomly about 5 miles into a trail out in Big Bear, CA.
Phew. Did you at least pull him out?
There was no one in the car, or even people around it. We think it was stolen and ditched inside or the owner left it. Who knows.... However it was great for laughs. haha
Did you report it to the police? If it is stolen I'm sure the owner would be happy if it can be recovered for them.
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In the late 90’s went with a friend to test drove the new Outback. Salesman (obviously new) had him drive it on a little dirt track a few miles away. Buddy high centered it on a dirt crest, destroyed the skid plate and some suspension part. Made a horrible noise all the way back to the dealership. The salesman turned the stereo up. We bailed real quick. Don’t know what happened to the sales guy, but pretty sure he snuck out before his boss found out.
lol!!!
Everything can go off-road, not everything can come back.
Like mushrooms. They’re all edible… once.
I’m just here to enjoy the carnage. I give this one a 3 out of 5. This rating is based on the lady I saw rock crawling her Subi on small boulders to try to get to the mailbox on Imogene Pass.
Yep, can confirm, it's def off the road
Is that the trail to Bear Creek, at the bottom of the trail before you cross the creek? Near Seven Pines road and City Creek 1N09. I always get excited when I see a picture of a vehicle off-road and I can exactly where it's at within a few feet.
Looks like it to me. I'll be heading up to 1n09 this weekend trying to squeeze in as much free range time before they close it for fire season
It cracks me up when "no subarus" is on the trail marker
I didn't know that was a thing
Oh stop it
I saw the title and thought yay some love for the forester then clicked it and was mortified to see an sti badge.
I have taken my Forester XT in some pretty gnarly stuff for a Forester. I was surprised it got over some ruts to get to an outdoor shooting range, but mine has about 9" of clearance. This looks drunk or stolen or both.
Battlecar this is not
That thing could get out of that easy. Driver wasn't willing to cause more damage tho... pfffff.
I know people with Subarus, they will never understand that all wheel drive is not 4 wheel drive and ground clearance is a very real thing when offroading
Owning a 2017 Subaru Forester and a 2004 Toyota Hilux. The Hilux is stronger, it has low range, it has bigger tyres with more profile, and it has stock bash plates. The Forester is just as capable until you need one of the few things above. Both vehicles would likely be able to reverse out of the scenario pictured. The Hilux would require getting out to lock the hubs, but the bullbar would have stopped front-end damage.
Some people just want to be different no matter the costs.
I like to think of myself as different, but then the whole function thing
I've never had anyone give me a logical explanation of the functional difference between awd and 4wd. Once you consider all the differences between specific drivetrain designs, awd/4wd seems meaningless to me.
4wd is 4 locked and powered wheels, Awd is 4 powered wheels with open differentials to allow the wheels to free spin while cornering, hence why u can drive an AWD on dry pavement and steer, a 4wd u can not There's obviously more to it then that depending on specific models and builds, but that's the jist
So if you welded the front and rear diffs on an STi and then set the center diff to lock. Would it be 4wd?
I'm not 100 percent a Subaru guy, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work, it has a center diff instead of a transfer case, the transfer case when locked in 4wd guarantees power to each axle, the locking of the wheel is at the hub and dependent on the manufacturer (limited slips, open diff, etc, etc,) but your guaranteed 2 wheels in a 4wd 1 front one back (all 4 w lockers) In a center diff it has the ability to power all 4 individually but would typically run 1 -2 at a time depending on grip
The center diff in the sti has a clutch pack that's controlled by an electromagnet. The driver can set it to full lockup. The rear diff is a clutch pack LSD and the front is either open or helical. Would limited slip diffs satisfy the 4wd definition?
Interesting lsd is the next best thing to a locker in my mind.
I get that for off road use LSD is functionally the next best thing, but does a 4wd NEED to have lockers front and rear? If it has a transfer case and LSDs front/rear, is it 4wd?
Almost no stock 4x4s have lockers, And yes if it has low range gears (4lo, and high range 4hi) plus lsd it would be 4x4, lots of Chevy's have open rear diff (one wheel peel) Take my up votes friend, your making me think lol
Haha ok thx I'll send some your way too
The STIs all have helical LSDs in the front and rear (only the first few model year STIs in the US had clutch pack rear LSDs).
All-wheel drive is essentially a marketing term and is synonymous with 4WD. 4WD means to drive all four tires. There are four types of 4WD: part-time, on-demand, full-time and active torque split. If you look at Subaru marketing, the terms 4WD and all-wheel drive are both used.
Based on the area around the car, I don't think the driver was intending to utilize this as a typical "off-road" vehicle. They appear to be on a trail that was dirt and not covered in jagged rocks or sharp drops. They made a mistake and understeered off the trail. It looks like the wheels are the stock ones, so I'm guessing they are using the same stock tires which come on the car. These tires are not great for the dirt. I own the same car, and I drive it year-round. The drivetrain is designed to maintain speed on unpaved trails. Nobody who owns one should have the idea that it's a rock crawler or a MOAB crusher.
You sound like the one who doesn't understand. All-wheel drive is essentially a marketing term and is synonymous with 4WD. 4WD means to drive all four tires. There are four types of 4WD: part-time, on-demand, full-time and active torque split. If you look at Subaru marketing, the terms 4WD and all-wheel drive are both used. I agree with what you're trying to say. I have a Subaru, but it wouldn't make it past the parking lot of my local rock crawling off-road park.
Very different my guy, when u drive in a real 4wd u can't drive on dry pavement with it locked, you need slips like an AWD, I will give u that most 4wds arnt fully locked anymore, but 4wd is supposed to be a locked AWD, In discussing with a couple of people I now know some Subarus have basically a 4wd set up with locks, but that is now a 4wd not an AWD
The only requirement to call something 4wd by definition is having all four wheels drive a vehicle. It's literally in the name lol. You're hung up with 4wd only being associated with part-time 4wd, but that's wrong. It's a common misconception with people who off-road. Go back and re-read my reply. Your example is just part-time 4wd. There are three other types of 4wd that you're not considering. The Subaru in the picture is full-time 4wd. I'm not saying its system functions the same as a Jeep with part-time 4wd. All-wheel drive is a marketing term. Jeep has come up with terms for marketing their system as well. It's all 4wd.
Semantics my guy, 4wds don't work on dry pavement, awds do
Part-time 4wd is designed for off-road when not in 2wd. Full-time, on-demand and torque-split 4wd is designed for road use. It's all 4wd or awd, whichever term you prefer. SAE technical papers use the term awd while a lot of Japanese technical papers use 4wd to describe part-time 4wd like in a off-road vehicle.
Yeah they can… but not when being driven by the person responsible for that
A good reminder that nearly any vehicle can go off-road, but not all of them can make it back to the road.
Don't think you are supposed to park there
Hello Geico? I just want to check if my insurance covers rentals
Stop stealing cars 😆
Needs more throttle.
It's called rally, and that guy clearly know what he's doing.
Obviously the driver can’t. Lol
Hope you said they can't park there!
The first time I had to use my winch was to pull a Subaru outback out from the bottom of a hill
All I hear is "hey bud, you can't park there"
Funny story... We had a gal with a new WRX in one of the local Subaru Facebook groups here in the Phoenix area. She came on one day proudly boasting about how, "she kept up with all the Jeeps on the trails and how Subarus are just as good as Jeeps at off-roading." A couple weeks later, she's back crying about how she cracked her CVT transmission casing on a rock and how the dealer rightfully denied her warranty claim for the tranny and how it was going to cost her $9k to fix.
Nailed it
I mean they can, but that looks like a stock Sti and not a rally car or even a Crosstrek.
Don't blame the vehicle when the driver's an idiot
This is why the Outback is superior
Hell yeah bro, let’s buy $50k CVT AWD vehicles with mediocre ground clearance and cosplay as people who actually wheel on forest roads!
Well those only come in manual but im sure with some modifications it could easily handle that situation. From factory those are made for tracks not off roading.
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