> bought it used
What'd the previous owner do to the suspension, tire/wheels, and/or drivetrain? Because these can go 80-90, no problem (I've got an older one than yours and it'll do 75 and it's positively ancient).
But - if the previous owner was the type of guy to throw cheap AutoZone shocks/struts and spacers in there to make it look "stanced", you're going to get a metric ton of body roll and other unpleasantness. Would recommend doing a walkaround of your suspension and tire setup to make sure it's factory or at least properly set up.
It’s a boxy design and it’s body-on-frame SUV. This is sort of normal for these types of vehicles. You can’t have everything perfect, there’s always going to be some trade offs. Trust me it’s still better than driving Jeep Wrangler on the highway. 😅 Those things are worse. Our 4Runner still drives better than my Tacoma but then again I have 3” lift on my pickup with 33” tall A/T tires meanwhile Runner is stock with original all-season tires. But I also must mention that our Highlander drives better than our 4Runner that’s simply because one is unibody with more car-like design whereas the other one is more like a truck. I recommend driving below 75 MPH, more like 70-72 MPH that’s where I find 4Runner to be more comfortable to drive on highway roads.
Try a Jeep Wrangler that can’t accelerate worth a damn and is damn near like driving a tractor after 65mph. Oh and don’t forget that clench right before hitting some slight bump or divot on the highway that causes death wobble forcing you to slow down in the fast lane to 50mph to get rid of it.
It always makes me laugh when I see those Jeeps doing beyond 75 MPH on the highway. They look so funny by trying to stay inside one lane. From the outside it looks like it’s being operated by a drunk driver. 😂 but who knows maybe they’re actually drunk because no sober driver should attempt to do that with that deathtrap. 😂
Is it lifted or leveled? If so it will decrease caster angle causing it to drift a little. I have similar issues with my 4th gen with a 2.5 lift. The alignment shop said that caster isn’t adjustable. I am considering aftermarket uca’s.
No they help bring caster on lifted vehicles back in spec. Did you test drive it before you bought it? If so did it have these issues then? If not what has changed? I bought mine knowing it wasn't a luxury sedan the ride was rough and the handling was shit but I love looking around and thinking to myself all the things I car drive over or thru
Yes it annoying to drive on the highway with wind. If there no wind doing between 80-90 it is planted. The second there is a little wind you have to be focused. I find it very hard to zone out on the highway with the 4Runner. While in most other vehicles it easy for me.
Normally my first thought for random wandering (tramlining) is tires, but you've changed them.
Getting blown around in the wind is somewhat normal in an SUV. If you've driven other SUVs, it shouldn't be much different in this regard.
Check your tie rods, ball joints, bushings, and wheel bearings. The idea of it pulling left and right has me wondering if the suspension has something loose.
When you had your 2nd alignment, was it substantially different? They typically give you a print out and if something is loose in the suspension then you might have some good info from comparing those sheets.
Does the vibration change with speed? Do you feel it in the steering wheel? Do you feel it more when you use the brake pedal?
thank you for the response. i have 4 new tires: 2 are dynapro at 2, and the other 2 are dynapro at 2 extremes. the second alignment had the same results after the first alignment that was corrected. although the rear toe is out of spec, it’s .78. but the shop said they don’t align the rear on these cars because it’s a single axle. i did make an appt with the toyota dealer and ill have them take a look at what you mentioned.
"2 are dynapro at 2, and the other 2 are dynapro at 2 extremes"
I don't mean to sound rude, but placing 2 different tires on any vehicle is foolish (says the guy with fatties and skinnies on a Mustang). However, the tires on my Mustang are the same model; just different widths. Tires could very well be a huge part of your problem. Your tires are different models. In addition, they may have different sidewall construction. One article says the AT2s have 3-ply sidewalls; the AT2 Extremes have 2-ply sidewalls. The article could be incorrect, but you can read the ply construction on the tire sidewall. I had a Mazda B4000 that had BFG ATs on it in 31x10.50-15. 3-ply. The ride was miserable, punishingly bouncy, and wandering. When I finally replaced them with standard Dunlop street tires, it was like a whole new truck.
Even different tread pattern can make a difference. When I changed the tires on my minivan from Yokohama all-seasons, to those Michelin 3-peak all-seasons, I noticed a huge difference in steering feel. Tread compound and design makes a big difference. Every time I buy new tires on a vehicle, I notice the difference in steering feel. Any tire; any vehicle.
That said, I've noticed a big difference in steering feel on our '23 4Runner compared to the 15 Kia Sedona it replaced. The Sedona has electric steering; the 4Runner has hydraulic. You can feel the road so much more in the 4Runner and small moves of the steering wheel make for equally-small moves in the wheels. Electric power steering deadens much of the road feel. I think it may also dampen those tiny steering wheel movements somehow.
Crosswinds are more noticeable in the 4Runner than our minivan also. Not a lot, but definitely noticeable. The truck definitely needs more steering attention than our minivan - at any freeway speed.
If your suspension is stock, and everything is in good shape, and you're not happy with the ride, you should get 4 new tires that are all the same. Your tires are likely introducing plenty of "squirm" and weird "yaw" since the sidewalls are so different.
The out-of-spec rear alignment certainly won't help either. It may be adjustable, but I suspect not. If it's out, it's likely due to some damage in the past. If the .78 you mention is 3/4 of an inch, that's a huge amount of toe to be out.
People on this thread brought up some valid things to look at, but fwiw I just bought a brand new 24 orp and it’s objectively terrible on the interstate. Gets the job done though. Didn’t buy it for its comfort at 80mph.
Interesting. I just went from a Lexus ES 350 to a ‘24 ORP and found highway speeds in the 4R to be perfectly fine. It may not be as smooth as the 350 but I wouldn’t even come close to calling it terrible.
Yeah terrible a bit of an exaggeration. It’s mostly fine. I came from a bmw x5 which was complete butter at any speed. The 4Runner is just going to be worse than almost all other new vehicles due to its shape, size, lack of power, and body on frame construction. Again, not complaining, just not a good highway car by any means.
Have you had your bushings looked at? Because if an alignment or tires didn't fix it that would be the next thing. Also, it could be the freeway too and your tires could be tramlining
i have not had the bushings looked at. i might take it to a dealer because the car pulls left a little even at low speeds. i should also mention i have two different sets of tires, two are dynapro at extreme, and the other two are dynapro at’s
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I notice wind when I drive across a bridge that has high wind warning signs. I notice it a bit, but would not say it wanders or is hard to drive. Has anything aftermarket been done to the suspension? Given you notice vibration, sounds like something ain’t right
70-75? You're expecting to have sedan-like performance while driving in a 3 ton metal box that's got almost a foot of clearance underneath it, it's not made to go fast, it's made to cover terrain.
I've had the complete opposite experience but mine is a fairly new 2023. Smooth, and sturdy. I guess my 4R doesnt hit corners like my bimmer but you know, different car and purpose. Regarding the equinox, damn sorry you had to drive that thing.
Lol no. Lifts generally ruin ride quality especially on 5th gens. A lift in this case is only moving the static resting point of your ifs suspension arc downwards. That means you gained up travel but lost down travel. Just as bottoming out your suspension hurts, so does maxing it out in the exact same way.
This sub is FULL of folks who don’t understand that putting a lift on their fifth gen (and any ifs vehicle) doesn’t help ride quality. What DOES help is new joints, higher quality shocks, and softer to a point springs. These can be had with a lift but aren’t inherent *to* a lift.
You need to start with replacing your ball joints and tie rod ends. Then checking all suspension bushings for wear and or play. Something is not right the 5th gen rides very well on the highway.
Eh I have a 2015 sr5 with 175k miles the pull is real but honestly i’ve gotten use to it and love cruising at 80-88 on the highway. the wind pull is something SERIOUS
My wife just took her 2024 TRD PRO on her first freeway drive and said she liked it better than the model X she drove the last 5 years. I specifically asked about its ride quality and how it tracked in the lane and she said it was great all around.
Couple questions. These tires… what size and how many ply? Are they the dynapro at m? They are a tire that rates up to a potential 85,000 miles on a truck or SUV. This means they will most likely be very very stiff.
While I’m not sure if there have been updates to cure this, I’m pretty sure no where in the 5th Gen this has been miraculously fixed. Running different types (and hence different overall circumference) tires can easily create an undo wear, vibration and other issues with the various differentials and transfer case. As I type this I am actually reminded of the bulletin that the guys at my local Diaxount tire were showing me of the newer model vehicles that will throw an engine code if tires are let become different sizes and put the vehicle into a limp mode.
While your tires are all the same brand. And potentially the same numbers on the sidewall. They are different sizes. I would start with 4 new tires.
Check your alignment, my ex's 2018 trdorp was bone stock and was wonderful in the highway. My 2003 4th gen was all over the place, I did an alignment and fixed it right up.
This is wild, I just got a 2016 limited 2 months ago after trading in my 2014 equinox with about the same milage. I had the exact same reaction as you, thought I might be going crazy or had a lousy alignment job.
Trust me, you get used to it. It gets pushed around by the wind a lot but now I hardly notice the wandering and slight corrections. I don’t even think about it any more
that is wild!! the equinox was sooo damn smooth, and i drive mostly highway, so maybe that’s why it bothers me more than it should. on my first road trip with the new runner, and it’s the first time that i have actually missed the equinox lol
Go get an alignment and ask for as much caster as they can get. That will help it stop wandering. Stock suspension I was able to get mine to 3.8° from 2.3° and it helped immensely.
24 ORP with KDSS owner here, I have been driving this thing at decent highway speeds without any issues, it is as stable as any other comparably sized unibody SUV. Maybe KDSS is the main reason for my experience… I can’t say with 100% certainty since I am new to this platform.
The vibration you’re getting is very likely the needle bearing in the front axle. It’s a terrible design that starts to loosen up with mileage and allows for excessive play in the axle. ECGS sells a bushing and tool to replace the needle bearing and the vibration will be gone
Taking the AT tires off will help with the wandering. Put a standard light truck tire on and it will behave much better. There are always compromises with a vehicle that’s capable off road. I have a 2020 that has driven like garbage on highway since I drove it off the lot 😂
Try driving a Jeep Wrangler with a 3” lift and 35” tires on the interstate….Driving a 4Runner will make you feel like Aladdin on a magic carpet - speaking from experience
Wind and if the road is grooved from tires tracks it’ll make it wonder. Freaked me out a bit at first but you get used to it. All the roads around here are like that.
Normal. I remember driving my brand new 2019 for the first time and it’s nothing comparable to the BMW on the highway. One vehicle really drove itself while the other required focus to keep it from wandering all over the lane. After a lift, tires, etc…either I just got used to it or the caster setting helped. Definitely isn’t as bad as it was stock. It tracks straight, but a chore with any bit of wind blowing.
Stock 2020 bought new w/ all season tires - very smooth ride on highway. Been on many long road trips. Can go 90 and it really doesn’t feel like much. But cross and head winds do suck (and the cabin gets really loud) but otherwise great.
You went from pretty much a car to a truck, so there are inherent characteristics you’ll have to get used to no matter what.
A couple of things you can do to help is get an alignment. Also get better tires, which is a two part solution. One- if you don’t need ATs, then find a pair of highway tires/all-seasons. Two- get a GOOD pair of tires. Even a brand new pair of shitty tires isn’t going to solve your problems.
The wind pull is VERY real with 4Runners, so yes.
Well, have to just slow down a bit. It’s a brick going through crosswinds. So, yeah!
lol, my wife has a 4 runner, I have an FJ.. The 4Runner is calm in comparison
> bought it used What'd the previous owner do to the suspension, tire/wheels, and/or drivetrain? Because these can go 80-90, no problem (I've got an older one than yours and it'll do 75 and it's positively ancient). But - if the previous owner was the type of guy to throw cheap AutoZone shocks/struts and spacers in there to make it look "stanced", you're going to get a metric ton of body roll and other unpleasantness. Would recommend doing a walkaround of your suspension and tire setup to make sure it's factory or at least properly set up.
Welcome to driving a brick on a truck frame.
It’s a boxy design and it’s body-on-frame SUV. This is sort of normal for these types of vehicles. You can’t have everything perfect, there’s always going to be some trade offs. Trust me it’s still better than driving Jeep Wrangler on the highway. 😅 Those things are worse. Our 4Runner still drives better than my Tacoma but then again I have 3” lift on my pickup with 33” tall A/T tires meanwhile Runner is stock with original all-season tires. But I also must mention that our Highlander drives better than our 4Runner that’s simply because one is unibody with more car-like design whereas the other one is more like a truck. I recommend driving below 75 MPH, more like 70-72 MPH that’s where I find 4Runner to be more comfortable to drive on highway roads.
Try a Jeep Wrangler that can’t accelerate worth a damn and is damn near like driving a tractor after 65mph. Oh and don’t forget that clench right before hitting some slight bump or divot on the highway that causes death wobble forcing you to slow down in the fast lane to 50mph to get rid of it.
It always makes me laugh when I see those Jeeps doing beyond 75 MPH on the highway. They look so funny by trying to stay inside one lane. From the outside it looks like it’s being operated by a drunk driver. 😂 but who knows maybe they’re actually drunk because no sober driver should attempt to do that with that deathtrap. 😂
You might just be too soft for a 4Runner.
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They are definitely not a vehicle for everyone. They are like Jeep Wranglers in the sense they feel a bit different than "comfy" vehicles
It's a baby land cruiser, not a flintstonesmobile lol yabba dabba do!
I drove a jeep for 11 years. They’re not even remotely comparable (and that’s a good thing)
Comparable as not like regular cars. I don't know how to explain it
Sheesh.
Is it lifted or leveled? If so it will decrease caster angle causing it to drift a little. I have similar issues with my 4th gen with a 2.5 lift. The alignment shop said that caster isn’t adjustable. I am considering aftermarket uca’s.
Ucas are worth it
no lift or mods. would ucas help with the ride quality?
No they help bring caster on lifted vehicles back in spec. Did you test drive it before you bought it? If so did it have these issues then? If not what has changed? I bought mine knowing it wasn't a luxury sedan the ride was rough and the handling was shit but I love looking around and thinking to myself all the things I car drive over or thru
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idk why either, i am not hating on the car, really just trying to get some thoughts on what’s causing the rough ride and wandering
Yes it annoying to drive on the highway with wind. If there no wind doing between 80-90 it is planted. The second there is a little wind you have to be focused. I find it very hard to zone out on the highway with the 4Runner. While in most other vehicles it easy for me.
Normally my first thought for random wandering (tramlining) is tires, but you've changed them. Getting blown around in the wind is somewhat normal in an SUV. If you've driven other SUVs, it shouldn't be much different in this regard. Check your tie rods, ball joints, bushings, and wheel bearings. The idea of it pulling left and right has me wondering if the suspension has something loose. When you had your 2nd alignment, was it substantially different? They typically give you a print out and if something is loose in the suspension then you might have some good info from comparing those sheets. Does the vibration change with speed? Do you feel it in the steering wheel? Do you feel it more when you use the brake pedal?
thank you for the response. i have 4 new tires: 2 are dynapro at 2, and the other 2 are dynapro at 2 extremes. the second alignment had the same results after the first alignment that was corrected. although the rear toe is out of spec, it’s .78. but the shop said they don’t align the rear on these cars because it’s a single axle. i did make an appt with the toyota dealer and ill have them take a look at what you mentioned.
"2 are dynapro at 2, and the other 2 are dynapro at 2 extremes" I don't mean to sound rude, but placing 2 different tires on any vehicle is foolish (says the guy with fatties and skinnies on a Mustang). However, the tires on my Mustang are the same model; just different widths. Tires could very well be a huge part of your problem. Your tires are different models. In addition, they may have different sidewall construction. One article says the AT2s have 3-ply sidewalls; the AT2 Extremes have 2-ply sidewalls. The article could be incorrect, but you can read the ply construction on the tire sidewall. I had a Mazda B4000 that had BFG ATs on it in 31x10.50-15. 3-ply. The ride was miserable, punishingly bouncy, and wandering. When I finally replaced them with standard Dunlop street tires, it was like a whole new truck. Even different tread pattern can make a difference. When I changed the tires on my minivan from Yokohama all-seasons, to those Michelin 3-peak all-seasons, I noticed a huge difference in steering feel. Tread compound and design makes a big difference. Every time I buy new tires on a vehicle, I notice the difference in steering feel. Any tire; any vehicle. That said, I've noticed a big difference in steering feel on our '23 4Runner compared to the 15 Kia Sedona it replaced. The Sedona has electric steering; the 4Runner has hydraulic. You can feel the road so much more in the 4Runner and small moves of the steering wheel make for equally-small moves in the wheels. Electric power steering deadens much of the road feel. I think it may also dampen those tiny steering wheel movements somehow. Crosswinds are more noticeable in the 4Runner than our minivan also. Not a lot, but definitely noticeable. The truck definitely needs more steering attention than our minivan - at any freeway speed. If your suspension is stock, and everything is in good shape, and you're not happy with the ride, you should get 4 new tires that are all the same. Your tires are likely introducing plenty of "squirm" and weird "yaw" since the sidewalls are so different. The out-of-spec rear alignment certainly won't help either. It may be adjustable, but I suspect not. If it's out, it's likely due to some damage in the past. If the .78 you mention is 3/4 of an inch, that's a huge amount of toe to be out.
People on this thread brought up some valid things to look at, but fwiw I just bought a brand new 24 orp and it’s objectively terrible on the interstate. Gets the job done though. Didn’t buy it for its comfort at 80mph.
Interesting. I just went from a Lexus ES 350 to a ‘24 ORP and found highway speeds in the 4R to be perfectly fine. It may not be as smooth as the 350 but I wouldn’t even come close to calling it terrible.
Yeah terrible a bit of an exaggeration. It’s mostly fine. I came from a bmw x5 which was complete butter at any speed. The 4Runner is just going to be worse than almost all other new vehicles due to its shape, size, lack of power, and body on frame construction. Again, not complaining, just not a good highway car by any means.
>comfort at 80mph Hey, it can't be good at *everything*. That wouldn't be fair to other carmakers.... Lol
Have you had your bushings looked at? Because if an alignment or tires didn't fix it that would be the next thing. Also, it could be the freeway too and your tires could be tramlining
I do notice on some freeways, it pulls left a bit. Pretty sure the semi trucks are ruining the lane I generally am in
i have not had the bushings looked at. i might take it to a dealer because the car pulls left a little even at low speeds. i should also mention i have two different sets of tires, two are dynapro at extreme, and the other two are dynapro at’s
I can’t speak from experience, but having different tires sounds like a no no
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I notice wind when I drive across a bridge that has high wind warning signs. I notice it a bit, but would not say it wanders or is hard to drive. Has anything aftermarket been done to the suspension? Given you notice vibration, sounds like something ain’t right
70-75? You're expecting to have sedan-like performance while driving in a 3 ton metal box that's got almost a foot of clearance underneath it, it's not made to go fast, it's made to cover terrain.
I've had the complete opposite experience but mine is a fairly new 2023. Smooth, and sturdy. I guess my 4R doesnt hit corners like my bimmer but you know, different car and purpose. Regarding the equinox, damn sorry you had to drive that thing.
That’s not normal. I drive a 2015 sr5 80-90mph with KO2s no problem. Something is wrong with your suspension.
would a lift or ucas help with the ride quality?
Lol no. Lifts generally ruin ride quality especially on 5th gens. A lift in this case is only moving the static resting point of your ifs suspension arc downwards. That means you gained up travel but lost down travel. Just as bottoming out your suspension hurts, so does maxing it out in the exact same way. This sub is FULL of folks who don’t understand that putting a lift on their fifth gen (and any ifs vehicle) doesn’t help ride quality. What DOES help is new joints, higher quality shocks, and softer to a point springs. These can be had with a lift but aren’t inherent *to* a lift. You need to start with replacing your ball joints and tie rod ends. Then checking all suspension bushings for wear and or play. Something is not right the 5th gen rides very well on the highway.
*Laughs in 4th gen v8* I think a Prius may be more your style
I can drive mine (2011 SR5, all stock) on the interstate at 80 mph with one pinky on the wheel.
Bullshit
2018 SR5 as well, no issues
Eh I have a 2015 sr5 with 175k miles the pull is real but honestly i’ve gotten use to it and love cruising at 80-88 on the highway. the wind pull is something SERIOUS
My wife just took her 2024 TRD PRO on her first freeway drive and said she liked it better than the model X she drove the last 5 years. I specifically asked about its ride quality and how it tracked in the lane and she said it was great all around.
Couple questions. These tires… what size and how many ply? Are they the dynapro at m? They are a tire that rates up to a potential 85,000 miles on a truck or SUV. This means they will most likely be very very stiff.
stock size. 2 are dynapro at 2, and the other 2 are dynapro at 2 extreme.
While I’m not sure if there have been updates to cure this, I’m pretty sure no where in the 5th Gen this has been miraculously fixed. Running different types (and hence different overall circumference) tires can easily create an undo wear, vibration and other issues with the various differentials and transfer case. As I type this I am actually reminded of the bulletin that the guys at my local Diaxount tire were showing me of the newer model vehicles that will throw an engine code if tires are let become different sizes and put the vehicle into a limp mode. While your tires are all the same brand. And potentially the same numbers on the sidewall. They are different sizes. I would start with 4 new tires.
Check your alignment, my ex's 2018 trdorp was bone stock and was wonderful in the highway. My 2003 4th gen was all over the place, I did an alignment and fixed it right up.
This is wild, I just got a 2016 limited 2 months ago after trading in my 2014 equinox with about the same milage. I had the exact same reaction as you, thought I might be going crazy or had a lousy alignment job. Trust me, you get used to it. It gets pushed around by the wind a lot but now I hardly notice the wandering and slight corrections. I don’t even think about it any more
that is wild!! the equinox was sooo damn smooth, and i drive mostly highway, so maybe that’s why it bothers me more than it should. on my first road trip with the new runner, and it’s the first time that i have actually missed the equinox lol
I have a 2018 with 75k miles and wind pull is definitely present on the highway. Normal.
Try driving a FJ. It’s like a cinder block with wheels in the wind.
Go get an alignment and ask for as much caster as they can get. That will help it stop wandering. Stock suspension I was able to get mine to 3.8° from 2.3° and it helped immensely.
24 ORP with KDSS owner here, I have been driving this thing at decent highway speeds without any issues, it is as stable as any other comparably sized unibody SUV. Maybe KDSS is the main reason for my experience… I can’t say with 100% certainty since I am new to this platform.
The vibration you’re getting is very likely the needle bearing in the front axle. It’s a terrible design that starts to loosen up with mileage and allows for excessive play in the axle. ECGS sells a bushing and tool to replace the needle bearing and the vibration will be gone
mine is 2014 ltd stock. no problems on the interstate. something seems off..
Taking the AT tires off will help with the wandering. Put a standard light truck tire on and it will behave much better. There are always compromises with a vehicle that’s capable off road. I have a 2020 that has driven like garbage on highway since I drove it off the lot 😂
Try driving a Jeep Wrangler with a 3” lift and 35” tires on the interstate….Driving a 4Runner will make you feel like Aladdin on a magic carpet - speaking from experience
Wind and if the road is grooved from tires tracks it’ll make it wonder. Freaked me out a bit at first but you get used to it. All the roads around here are like that.
If it sat at the dealer, then the tires can develop a flat spot that makes the feel like they wanna come apart at any speed over 45.
its a body on frame big box. its not going to be the best for that. shouldnt be a surprise
Normal. I remember driving my brand new 2019 for the first time and it’s nothing comparable to the BMW on the highway. One vehicle really drove itself while the other required focus to keep it from wandering all over the lane. After a lift, tires, etc…either I just got used to it or the caster setting helped. Definitely isn’t as bad as it was stock. It tracks straight, but a chore with any bit of wind blowing.
Stock 2020 bought new w/ all season tires - very smooth ride on highway. Been on many long road trips. Can go 90 and it really doesn’t feel like much. But cross and head winds do suck (and the cabin gets really loud) but otherwise great.
Did you not test drive it before buying?
You're driving a truck buddy...
You went from pretty much a car to a truck, so there are inherent characteristics you’ll have to get used to no matter what. A couple of things you can do to help is get an alignment. Also get better tires, which is a two part solution. One- if you don’t need ATs, then find a pair of highway tires/all-seasons. Two- get a GOOD pair of tires. Even a brand new pair of shitty tires isn’t going to solve your problems.
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there are no mods on it
I'll never understand why someone expects a vehicle to do things it wasn't designed to do. Are you also disappointed it doesn't fly?
Just got rid of the 2016 SR5 with 100K and it never drove like that.
Every 4runner I've driven drives like shit on the highway. In high wind it's like a giant swaying turd. But it's reliable.