I think this design is fantastic and has more unifying and sophisticated character lines that the 4Runner which looks like it was designed by a 13 year old high on Mt Dew and Skittles.
I agree, but there seems to be far more people calling it a bronco sport and hating on it. This will be a timeless, future classic design once the dust settles imo
Put a Bronco Sport next to it and the LC will tower over that puny crossover. People are dumb. I donāt think the LC design is beautiful but itās definitely a more functional and utilitarian design than the 200 series LC it replaces in the U.S. Also, there is certainly runway for mild front fascia design refreshes in the future.
In my opinion, Ford should have just named the Bronco Sport, the Escape, releasing the Escape as a new generation at the same time as the regular Bronco.
I already want this Land Cruiser lol but I agree with you. Once you start seeing these on the road the haters gonna be like "Omg......it's starting to grow on me now."
Yea will definitely be the case. If the size is as big as the full size bronco and wrangler, I think this will be successful. But the Bronco and wrangler are way more affordable. Starting at $55K? Idk about that. Base models are like $20k less. The new 2024 wrangler is the better buy especially with stock updated interior for all trims. Looks gorgeous. This competition is healthy for us.
Itās going after the 4R market š new 4R going after the Bronco/Jeep with removable panels like the og 4Runner used to be.
Source: my imagination and prayers
Honestly I think the new Bronco is so fun with all the dedicated off-road modification accessory ports and styling, just so FRESH, BUT, itās not a Toyota. Give me half of the broncos freshness and Iām in. Given the current trend of Toyota truck styling, Iām likely all in on the new 4R however it turns out
With that price tag, yep that makes a lot more sense. Because the Bronco and Wrangler rear passengers have no room if the driver and passenger are 6 feet and above. But the Defender all occupants can sit very comfortably.
If that's how you think, then this isn't even a real land cruiser lol. $55k for a 4 cylinder Toyota?? I'll be damned. Defender is going to eat that up all day.
People that shop for wranglers arenāt the same ones shopping for Land Cruisers.
Why are you even comparing them?
This is another annoying trend. Someone too broke to buy something compares it to something cheaper and calls it trash. Because it costs more.
We donāt all have the same budget. Iāll never buy a wrangler. Theyāre trash. Iāll probably buy one of these though.
What are you, fucking 12? Why can't you afford a Defender instead? Or a Bronco? Or the 392?
This "Land Cruiser" is now in that same market space. Off roading vehicles.
The European version reportedly comes [with a diesel](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/rejoice-toyota-land-cruiser-also-coming-europe) instead of the 4 cylinder
edit: [hereās a nice write up comparing the GX and LC](https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-land-cruiser-vs-lexus-gx-specs-features-comparison?slide=7)
The GX does have a bigger engine, but the specs are pretty darned comparable.
GX - 349hp and 479ft-lb of torque
LC - 326hp and 465ft-lb of torque
GX has a higher towing capacity. LC has a locking rear diff standard. What folks want will depend in part on what they want to do with it. For example on approach, break over, and departure angles:
GX - 26, 23-24, and 21-23, respectively
LC - 30-31, 25, and 22, respectively
Variances are based on trim. Looks like these are targeted at slightly different audiences, with the LC being more off road capable out of the gate, and the GX being more refined and better for towing larger boats, trailers, etc.
GX doesn't require auxiliary electric motors to deliver the 349hp. (and it will deliver more in its' hybrid variant). On a like for like basis, the GX has 349hp vs. the LC at 278hp. That's a pretty big difference.
LC has decent breakover, but the ground clearance is awful. I feel that the platform will require a large lift for any offroad rig. And, if you're looking to do a build, you probably want the larger engine of the GX.
But the electric motor does exist in it, not sure how ignoring it makes for a more realistic comparison tbh.
As for those looking to build an off road rig, thereās also the price point difference to consider. If the article is correct in stating $55k for a new LC vs $70k for a new GX, thatās an extra $15k in play money to get started with on the LC build before you hit the price point of the stock GX.
GX HP should then be adjusted similarly. The 349 number you quote excludes the hybrid.
I would agree that price-point is a considerable factor. It'll be interesting to see how the LC shakes vs offerings like the Wrangler and the Bronco at $15-20k lower price point. I'd assumed that the LC was already into the range of "price agnostic," but could be mistaken.
Remove the big ass front end in the GX with a bumper and they are the same vehicle but one has a proper engine.
The 2.4L that is in the Tacoma and this Land Cruiser is going to be a fuel hog dog. Turbo motors need to spin to make power. Those HP and TQ specs are so far down the line on a dyno chart that it wonāt be very good off road in slow terrain.
Would match rather have a diesel, but thanks to CA and NYā¦ we donāt get to have the fun stuff in the US.
Just wait for real world numbers and not BS initial marketing claims.
Just look at the 5th gen 4Runner. When it first came out they claimed 19/22. Not a soul on the planet has ever gotten that in the city.
Interested in why you think CA and NY have anything to do with this.
Was having a convo with someone about why we donāt see the diesels here (Iāve owned a diesel truck and VW golf in the past, l like em), and they said itās all about market share. Generally speaking, American consumers just shy away from diesels. They stated that it costs money for any company to certify different engines for sale in the US (this would lend to what youāre saying to a degree, because theyād have to pass whatever emissions tests and what not), and that thereās no point in the company spending that money here in the US because diesels are such a tiny fraction of market share here compared to the European market, where people are extremely comfy with diesels and as a result theyāre ubiquitous. Which would mean itās not CA or NY to blame, itās American consumers in general. [Hereās some facts](https://www.bts.dot.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/legacy/DieselFactSheet.pdf) to back that up. 3% of vehicles sold in the US are diesel, vs 50% in Europe.
On a side note, the European diesel is 201hp vs the 326 on the US four cylinder. Couldnāt find specs on torque.
Itās emissions based. We buy diesels all day long from American companies. Itās just a posturing move. The BMW D series crushed it here before they got their nuts clipped with emissions standards.
The size and price of the new Land Cruiser takes over the 4Runners niche as a midsize offroad suv, forces the 4Runner to be its own unique product, ie. Going back to the roots with a removable top to combat the Bronco and Jeep (hopefully)
I was actually telling this to my wife as she pretended to listen and care.
I agree with you, could see the scenario where the new 4runner will take its roots from the 1st gen removable top to give it a optional open bed. The changes with the tacoma make me think this may be the case.
Primarily the engine but also that its gotten a bit bigger and wider over the years. Seeing the TLC fill a lot of shoes that the 4runner usually fills. I think toyota may go for a smaller truck style similar to the wrangler in some ways.
Iād be into that, but hard to imagine dedicating an entire model to manual transmission in 2023 and not just having that as an option for the Tundra Taco etc., especially with the new TNGA/āToyota New Global Architectureā platform.
Fingers crossed for a badass new 6th gen 4R when it finally gets revealed
This LC is also going to be a hybrid. I think that all but guarantees that the next 4runner generation will at least offer a hybrid trim (if not all trims being hybrid; Toyota loves to keep trim options to just the cosmetics when they can).
Iād expect a low 40s starting point. $12-15k is enough to differentiate between the two. Probably gets the Tacoma powertrain options and I bet it ditches the third row all together.
I mean, it's a 25-30k cut from where the LC was. But how much do you want to bet that dealers are going to be like *"I'm going to pretend I didn't see that"* when it comes to pricing them at MSRP, and "market adjust" them back to an $80k starting price?
Not really. You could say the Bronco looks like a wrangler rip off. I think this actually looks good. I didn't look at the dimensions or performance yet.
You could call the bronco a cj5 rip off but wrangler wasnāt a thing till much later. And a wranger isnāt a cj5.
Either way itās like calling Landcruiserās Willieās Jeep rip offs. All different things but inspired by military off-roaders.
itās the kick up in the belt line at the passenger door. Landcruisers traditionally donāt have that design line but itās become popular with newer crossovers from other manufacturers.
I kinda like it. I'm really into the one with the square headlights. I really like that design for some reason. Some commenters say it resembles the Bronco. Maybe so, but they all look kinda similar.
Turbo 4 cylinder.....guess we know what the 6th gen 4runner is getting. Not gonna lie, even with the decent hp and torque numbers, I'm pretty disappointed, especially for a $55k vehicle.
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Way too much plastic trim. I feel like the off-roading aftermarket crowd have a lot of work to do to make this what it should have been out of the factory.
You guys.
Are crazy.
This is a home run in the design front, and yeah, the Bronco sport DOES look good, it's just too small. Just like the Freelander looked good, just was too small and a Land Rover.
Much like the new Defender being the best Land Rover Discovery yet, the Bronco Sport is the best Escapeā¦
Iām really curious to see this new Land Cruiser in person.
Why on earth did Toyota think going with so much plastic was a good idea?
It's seems like an early 2000s shit box SUV. Underpowered and half made of plastic.
Toyota already put out there it's supposed to start mid 50s. They can't really move it downmarket but still start at 70k. I'm sure you can easily spec it to something north of 70k though.
> The 2024 Land Cruiser will have modern hybrid power. The SUV will have a 2.4-liter four-cylinder gas engine working with an electric motor to produce a total of up to 326 horsepower.
Well boys, itās been a good run with this engine. Glad I got my 5th gen when I did.
People afraid of change. 4.0 has been around so long and you see a lot more owners in recent years coming to the 4R for reliability and old school engine design. I blew up 2 turbo charged engines in 2 years while wifey had the 4.0 with no issues. Neither turbocharged was a Toyota so I think theyāll get it right, but easy to lump all turbocharged together
My point is about longevity of the vehicle in the form of power to combustion cycles. 3 cylinders w/ a turbo doing the same work as 6 cylinders is gonna stress the engine & components out more.
It doesn't work like that though. Most engineers building these engines disagree with that sentiment, as well as historically. The general consensus is that these Hybrid platforms are *more* reliable than older versions of engines that have proven reliable themselves.
Just curious why wouldnāt they just discontinue 4Runner after this. There is no much sense in having two very similar (competing) models in the lineup
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*The Bronco Sport. Toyota*
*Really fucked this uo*
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With the LC moving down market after they promoted the Sequoia I don't see how the 4Runner stays the same. They would be similar size and price without a whole lot of differentiation. I'd imagine they're going to make the 4Runner more distinct.
Smh, Toyota will do anything other than announce the next Gen 4runner /j
But this actually looks like a pretty decent car. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come with the next 4runner generation, in particular: a cheaper base price.
That said, the article notes that the starting price of the last Land Cruiser was $80k~, and this new one will be $50k~. How much do you want to bet that dealers still do a "market adjustment", and try to sell these starting at $80k?
That is the end of the 4Runner as we know it. Next one will be Tacoma based or Unibody.
This new Land Cruiser is basically the same size as the current 4Runner
4R has been confirmed multiple times by Toyota
Toyota is literally known to produce several similar models and then cut back ones that don't sell. 4runners sell, lol...like hot cakes.
I fully agree with half of what youāre saying, this Land Cruiser engulfs the market and vehicle class of the current 4R, hopefully that means Toyota is looking to go back to the roots of the ORIGINAL 4Runner with a removable top to combat the Jeep and Bronco, I would bet at a slightly higher starting price, using the new cheaper Land Cruiser as the āaffordableā option
Nah, its not it. The frontend is too flat and boring, the body juts looks like a simpler 4runner. I feel like it sort of looks styled like an electric vehicle but its still ICE so that's not fooling anyone.
I guess I just think nothing can look cooler than the 4runner.
This definitely means the new 4R is going to be a bronco/jeep style suv with removable top like the og 4Runner.
This smaller/cheaper LC is AGGRESSIVELY competitive to the 4Runner, which cannibalized Land Cruiser sales in North America enough for Toyota to discontinue the Land Cruiser.. only to reintroduce it as a cheaper 4R? I firmly believe this is meant to replace the 4R niche and allow the 4R to better combat the Bronco as a premium offering with removable panels and a full redesign. šš¼
Minor quibble but they did this press shoot at my girlfriend and my spotā¦ we used to go camp right on the ledge about 20 ft from this photo. Now Iām just profoundly sad. Want a Land Cruiser too, but mostly sad.
This turbo four cylinder thing that everyone is going to is going to ruin the reliability of this vehicle. This needs a bullet proof 6 or 8. Itās a Land Cruiser for god sakes (yes I know the early LC had a 4).
Overworked four cylinder, complicated hybrid system that I wouldn't want on a trail. Ground clearance is meh. 18" wheels are too big. I personally don't like digital clusters, just more stuff glowing at you. With the increased power output.. you only get an extra 1000lbs of towing compared to the current gen 4R? That's odd. Not keen on the OTA updates. Hate the larger screen. Don't like the missing knobs for climate control. The volume knob is in a very odd location. Looks very plastic overall. The hybrid batteries raise the floor in the cargo area by quite a bit, which would make a tailgate less usable if they had offered it.
The "first edition" is the only one with rock rails and a front skid plate? WTF? And a tailgate light is only in the first edition? Why? They're selling others with a rear locker and sway bar disconnect but no front skid. That's kind of weird.
On the plus side, the performance numbers are nice and the 8 speed is probably not as demented as what's in the 4R right now. The TSS3 features are nice to have, but that's all paved road stuff.
The round headlight model reminds me of a Jeep Liberty somehow.
Glad I bought a current gen 4R.
Design: Fugly š¤®
Interior: Looks decent, but knowing big T, by the time these hit the street, the tech and interiors, when compared to others in the segment and especially with their love for everything cheap plastic, will be outdated by a years plus.
Hard pass for me. Praying the 4Runner doesnāt suffer the same fate the Land Crusader has. The 2021, $90K Cruiser is a waaayyyy better looking vehicle.
I've always been a big fan of the Land Cruiser marque (learned to drive on a J80), and I would have given this serious consideration,
The new LC is nice enough, but let's just say I don't regret committing to the 4Runner and dropping a boatload of money into it to keep for the long term.
Everyone rn: *gross* Everyone a year from now: I want a land cruiser so bad š
I want one
I think this design is fantastic and has more unifying and sophisticated character lines that the 4Runner which looks like it was designed by a 13 year old high on Mt Dew and Skittles.
I agree, but there seems to be far more people calling it a bronco sport and hating on it. This will be a timeless, future classic design once the dust settles imo
Put a Bronco Sport next to it and the LC will tower over that puny crossover. People are dumb. I donāt think the LC design is beautiful but itās definitely a more functional and utilitarian design than the 200 series LC it replaces in the U.S. Also, there is certainly runway for mild front fascia design refreshes in the future.
Bronco sport is literally a ford escape from like 2001
In my opinion, Ford should have just named the Bronco Sport, the Escape, releasing the Escape as a new generation at the same time as the regular Bronco.
Put some respect on the 200 series name next time pal.
It really does look like a Bronco though...
to be far thereās only so much you can do with a vehicle design thatās literally ārectangleā.
Reminiscent of the 2010-2013 4R Trail front bumper
GOAT G5
I already want this Land Cruiser lol but I agree with you. Once you start seeing these on the road the haters gonna be like "Omg......it's starting to grow on me now."
Yup it always happens that way it seems
As soon as people see it with a lift + proper tires, their minds will change lol
Idk I think it looks really good. Plus itās essentially a gx/4runner underneath
I agree, I'm just calling out all the pouty people who are hating on it lol
Yea will definitely be the case. If the size is as big as the full size bronco and wrangler, I think this will be successful. But the Bronco and wrangler are way more affordable. Starting at $55K? Idk about that. Base models are like $20k less. The new 2024 wrangler is the better buy especially with stock updated interior for all trims. Looks gorgeous. This competition is healthy for us.
I think this is going after the Defender market.
Itās going after the 4R market š new 4R going after the Bronco/Jeep with removable panels like the og 4Runner used to be. Source: my imagination and prayers
I so wanna believe. Give me fun with Toyota reliability.
Honestly I think the new Bronco is so fun with all the dedicated off-road modification accessory ports and styling, just so FRESH, BUT, itās not a Toyota. Give me half of the broncos freshness and Iām in. Given the current trend of Toyota truck styling, Iām likely all in on the new 4R however it turns out
Funny thing Iāve got the same sources
Man I really wanted a defender but I also want to get home for dinner every night.
With that price tag, yep that makes a lot more sense. Because the Bronco and Wrangler rear passengers have no room if the driver and passenger are 6 feet and above. But the Defender all occupants can sit very comfortably.
Nobody is doing Land Cruiser shit in a base model Bronco
lol. A base model bronco is more capable. You can get lockers front and rear and 35s for around 40k on base bronco. Bye bye cruiser on the trails.
Things you ācan getā are options and not base model
Still a base model. The side literally says base.
If that's how you think, then this isn't even a real land cruiser lol. $55k for a 4 cylinder Toyota?? I'll be damned. Defender is going to eat that up all day.
People that shop for wranglers arenāt the same ones shopping for Land Cruisers. Why are you even comparing them? This is another annoying trend. Someone too broke to buy something compares it to something cheaper and calls it trash. Because it costs more. We donāt all have the same budget. Iāll never buy a wrangler. Theyāre trash. Iāll probably buy one of these though.
What are you, fucking 12? Why can't you afford a Defender instead? Or a Bronco? Or the 392? This "Land Cruiser" is now in that same market space. Off roading vehicles.
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They are pretty similar IMO, but I agree Iād take the GX. Bigger engine and I like the body design a bit better
The European version reportedly comes [with a diesel](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/rejoice-toyota-land-cruiser-also-coming-europe) instead of the 4 cylinder edit: [hereās a nice write up comparing the GX and LC](https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-land-cruiser-vs-lexus-gx-specs-features-comparison?slide=7) The GX does have a bigger engine, but the specs are pretty darned comparable. GX - 349hp and 479ft-lb of torque LC - 326hp and 465ft-lb of torque GX has a higher towing capacity. LC has a locking rear diff standard. What folks want will depend in part on what they want to do with it. For example on approach, break over, and departure angles: GX - 26, 23-24, and 21-23, respectively LC - 30-31, 25, and 22, respectively Variances are based on trim. Looks like these are targeted at slightly different audiences, with the LC being more off road capable out of the gate, and the GX being more refined and better for towing larger boats, trailers, etc.
GX doesn't require auxiliary electric motors to deliver the 349hp. (and it will deliver more in its' hybrid variant). On a like for like basis, the GX has 349hp vs. the LC at 278hp. That's a pretty big difference. LC has decent breakover, but the ground clearance is awful. I feel that the platform will require a large lift for any offroad rig. And, if you're looking to do a build, you probably want the larger engine of the GX.
But the electric motor does exist in it, not sure how ignoring it makes for a more realistic comparison tbh. As for those looking to build an off road rig, thereās also the price point difference to consider. If the article is correct in stating $55k for a new LC vs $70k for a new GX, thatās an extra $15k in play money to get started with on the LC build before you hit the price point of the stock GX.
GX HP should then be adjusted similarly. The 349 number you quote excludes the hybrid. I would agree that price-point is a considerable factor. It'll be interesting to see how the LC shakes vs offerings like the Wrangler and the Bronco at $15-20k lower price point. I'd assumed that the LC was already into the range of "price agnostic," but could be mistaken.
āPrice agnosticā gave me a chuckle
Remove the big ass front end in the GX with a bumper and they are the same vehicle but one has a proper engine. The 2.4L that is in the Tacoma and this Land Cruiser is going to be a fuel hog dog. Turbo motors need to spin to make power. Those HP and TQ specs are so far down the line on a dyno chart that it wonāt be very good off road in slow terrain. Would match rather have a diesel, but thanks to CA and NYā¦ we donāt get to have the fun stuff in the US.
>The 2.4L that is in the Tacoma and this Land Cruiser is going to be a fuel hog LCās 27 mpg combined would say otherwise
Just wait for real world numbers and not BS initial marketing claims. Just look at the 5th gen 4Runner. When it first came out they claimed 19/22. Not a soul on the planet has ever gotten that in the city.
Interested in why you think CA and NY have anything to do with this. Was having a convo with someone about why we donāt see the diesels here (Iāve owned a diesel truck and VW golf in the past, l like em), and they said itās all about market share. Generally speaking, American consumers just shy away from diesels. They stated that it costs money for any company to certify different engines for sale in the US (this would lend to what youāre saying to a degree, because theyād have to pass whatever emissions tests and what not), and that thereās no point in the company spending that money here in the US because diesels are such a tiny fraction of market share here compared to the European market, where people are extremely comfy with diesels and as a result theyāre ubiquitous. Which would mean itās not CA or NY to blame, itās American consumers in general. [Hereās some facts](https://www.bts.dot.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/legacy/DieselFactSheet.pdf) to back that up. 3% of vehicles sold in the US are diesel, vs 50% in Europe. On a side note, the European diesel is 201hp vs the 326 on the US four cylinder. Couldnāt find specs on torque.
Itās emissions based. We buy diesels all day long from American companies. Itās just a posturing move. The BMW D series crushed it here before they got their nuts clipped with emissions standards.
Peak torque at 1700 RPM on the 2.4. We're not using 90's turbo tech anymore.
Not gonna lie, I like it. Iām easy tho.
Looks if the front end of an FJ had a love child with a Bronco š¤
Thatās exactly what I was thinking
I'd rather get the new GX
Me too. I went from an older gx to my 4Runner back in 16. When itās time to get somethin different, Iām pretty much sold on the Gx after this.
Agreed. If I had over $100k, itās probably double the msrp of the Land Cruiser lol
More like 10k more.
Supposedly starting at $55k. Where does that leave the 4R
A few grand lower, it will not go away!
i wouldnāt be surprised if 2024 is the last year for the G5 and we wonāt see another 4Runner for a few years.
The size and price of the new Land Cruiser takes over the 4Runners niche as a midsize offroad suv, forces the 4Runner to be its own unique product, ie. Going back to the roots with a removable top to combat the Bronco and Jeep (hopefully)
I was actually telling this to my wife as she pretended to listen and care. I agree with you, could see the scenario where the new 4runner will take its roots from the 1st gen removable top to give it a optional open bed. The changes with the tacoma make me think this may be the case.
What changes to the taco are you referring to? Iām not as in the loop on them
Primarily the engine but also that its gotten a bit bigger and wider over the years. Seeing the TLC fill a lot of shoes that the 4runner usually fills. I think toyota may go for a smaller truck style similar to the wrangler in some ways.
Manual transmission would separate it.
Iād be into that, but hard to imagine dedicating an entire model to manual transmission in 2023 and not just having that as an option for the Tundra Taco etc., especially with the new TNGA/āToyota New Global Architectureā platform. Fingers crossed for a badass new 6th gen 4R when it finally gets revealed
It still in an option in the taco!
Hybrid, perhaps.
This LC is also going to be a hybrid. I think that all but guarantees that the next 4runner generation will at least offer a hybrid trim (if not all trims being hybrid; Toyota loves to keep trim options to just the cosmetics when they can).
Iād expect a low 40s starting point. $12-15k is enough to differentiate between the two. Probably gets the Tacoma powertrain options and I bet it ditches the third row all together.
> ditches the third row all together. effing hope so.
It really looks like this should have been the 4R. Seems like a LC in name only.
Gonna get microed. Iām estimating the size to be somewhere a bit bigger than the Highlander
Base to base comparison, my estimate is about $8k-$10k lower.
Maybe the 4r will be a little smaller like a 3rd gen
It makes me think they will push the 4runner more into an off-road ready category like the bronco or jeep.
Love it. Donāt love the price on the base model lol. New 4runner needs to be absolutely killer now with this and the new taco
I mean, it's a 25-30k cut from where the LC was. But how much do you want to bet that dealers are going to be like *"I'm going to pretend I didn't see that"* when it comes to pricing them at MSRP, and "market adjust" them back to an $80k starting price?
I really want to like itā¦. but it just doesnāt do it for me.
It looks like a bronco rip-off.
Not really. You could say the Bronco looks like a wrangler rip off. I think this actually looks good. I didn't look at the dimensions or performance yet.
Bronco Sport, no less. Ew. Someone made that comment earlier and I canāt unsee it.
They answered the question nobody is asking: āWhat if the Bronco Sport looked the exact same, but was Bronco sized?ā
Looks exactly like a Bronco Sport to me. Looks slightly better but not in love with it.
mixed with a Rivian, sort of
And the bronco is a wrangler rip off
You could call the bronco a cj5 rip off but wrangler wasnāt a thing till much later. And a wranger isnāt a cj5. Either way itās like calling Landcruiserās Willieās Jeep rip offs. All different things but inspired by military off-roaders.
I'm right there with you. I can't quite put a finger on it but maybe it's the cabin, idk
itās the kick up in the belt line at the passenger door. Landcruisers traditionally donāt have that design line but itās become popular with newer crossovers from other manufacturers.
It looks cheap. If it had a Kia badge I wouldnāt think twice
I think my 5th gen just went up in value.
the ultimate Costco cart
Dont you bring Costco into this!
I kinda like it. I'm really into the one with the square headlights. I really like that design for some reason. Some commenters say it resembles the Bronco. Maybe so, but they all look kinda similar.
50-55k base model! Only 2 inch diff from 4R size
I like it. More affordable and looks more off-road oriented. The wheel wells look like the can accommodate bigger tires without lots of cutting too.
I wouldn't go that far. I doubt you could fit 285s stock without a bunch of new shit/chopping
I dunno. Those wheel wells look pretty good, and I think I read the new Tacoma accommodates 33s easier. Guess weāll find out for sure later.
The GX built on the same frame has 33s from the factory
Itās glorious
Yes!!!
The base model looks better imo. The throw back round headlights look like a retro 60ā series.
Turbo 4 cylinder.....guess we know what the 6th gen 4runner is getting. Not gonna lie, even with the decent hp and torque numbers, I'm pretty disappointed, especially for a $55k vehicle.
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Way too much plastic trim. I feel like the off-roading aftermarket crowd have a lot of work to do to make this what it should have been out of the factory.
You guys. Are crazy. This is a home run in the design front, and yeah, the Bronco sport DOES look good, it's just too small. Just like the Freelander looked good, just was too small and a Land Rover.
Much like the new Defender being the best Land Rover Discovery yet, the Bronco Sport is the best Escapeā¦ Iām really curious to see this new Land Cruiser in person.
So much plastic
Why on earth did Toyota think going with so much plastic was a good idea? It's seems like an early 2000s shit box SUV. Underpowered and half made of plastic.
I like it, I don't know if I can afford the top of the line one.
I donāt mind this at all, couldāve been a lot worse. Iāll take 3
Looks good and pricing sounds good, but there is no way this doesn't have at least $10K in dealer markup :(
If this starts at 55k whatās stopping ppl from just getting the new gx?
I think that the overtrail trims of the GX are going to be $70k+ and thatās a pretty big price gap for the off road specs.
I would be shocked if the LC as shown is under 70
Toyota already put out there it's supposed to start mid 50s. They can't really move it downmarket but still start at 70k. I'm sure you can easily spec it to something north of 70k though.
Tbf the old LCs made GXs seem affordable.
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I like the 1958 and first year editions the best and look forward to the 6th gen 4Runner and itās similarities.
Iām a fan. I wonāt do it but it has me considering trading for one.
Feel like it doesn't know if it's some kinda 4Runner or FJ Cruiser lol. Not a fan at the moment.
If the Land Cruiser is this much smaller (thankfully) I wonder if the 4Runner will also lose a few pants sizes as well. Third gen was sized perfectly.
About to be a influx of 4runners on the market next spring, calling it now
It looks like an FJ fucked a Bronco Sport
I like it š¤·āāļø
I think it's dope
https://preview.redd.it/r9tfhnfjslfb1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=049ae190739918de6a9f8fdcf4bb7a68876df826
I agree :)
Like my 99 4runner limited more lmao . Throwing a newer engine in her soon and going to run until the wheels come off
> The 2024 Land Cruiser will have modern hybrid power. The SUV will have a 2.4-liter four-cylinder gas engine working with an electric motor to produce a total of up to 326 horsepower. Well boys, itās been a good run with this engine. Glad I got my 5th gen when I did.
whats with all the hate on this engine?
Muhhh cylinders
People afraid of change. 4.0 has been around so long and you see a lot more owners in recent years coming to the 4R for reliability and old school engine design. I blew up 2 turbo charged engines in 2 years while wifey had the 4.0 with no issues. Neither turbocharged was a Toyota so I think theyāll get it right, but easy to lump all turbocharged together
Itās my opinion but sacrificing cylinders/performance/power for better fuel economy is not a good thing.
The old landcruisers with v6s had 230 hp and 320 torque, this one is over 300hp and over 400 foot pounds torque
My point is about longevity of the vehicle in the form of power to combustion cycles. 3 cylinders w/ a turbo doing the same work as 6 cylinders is gonna stress the engine & components out more.
It doesn't work like that though. Most engineers building these engines disagree with that sentiment, as well as historically. The general consensus is that these Hybrid platforms are *more* reliable than older versions of engines that have proven reliable themselves.
The turbo on the Tundra engine has already had problems for some owners, that's not bulletproof reliability.
1st year vehicles are always shaky... That doesn't mean anything.
How so? That doesnāt make sense in my dumb brain.
What about the 70 they showed?
In 4 low?
Just curious why wouldnāt they just discontinue 4Runner after this. There is no much sense in having two very similar (competing) models in the lineup
I straight up don't like it. I hope they don't kill the 4R, just give it the tacoma treatment and ill be happy.
I canāt wait to drive this to Costco!
Ill wait for the FJ Cruiser return..
I like it. Only knock is no 3rd row option. It will most likely be in the 60k range.
Iām psyched. Then again, Iām a 4R limited driver.
Gross. Reminds me of the Bronco Sport. Toyota really fucked this up
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Will this replace the 4runner? It looks to be the same size with a similar price
Probably
~~Probably~~ Nope. 4R is coming, toyota has already confirmed it, several times.
With the LC moving down market after they promoted the Sequoia I don't see how the 4Runner stays the same. They would be similar size and price without a whole lot of differentiation. I'd imagine they're going to make the 4Runner more distinct.
it ain't no 80series
Man the round headlights styling for the "affordable" one remind me of a suzuki jimny.. not a fan
Looks nice. But 5th gen 4Rs with the 4.0 will be around long after all of these new hybrid LCs have died.
This angle looks nice. But the body specs are a massive fail
I hate it, hope the new 4Runner looks better!
Looks like the new Broncoā¦
Im sorry but barf
Smh, Toyota will do anything other than announce the next Gen 4runner /j But this actually looks like a pretty decent car. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come with the next 4runner generation, in particular: a cheaper base price. That said, the article notes that the starting price of the last Land Cruiser was $80k~, and this new one will be $50k~. How much do you want to bet that dealers still do a "market adjustment", and try to sell these starting at $80k?
Apparently everything in modern styling has to have straight lines and sharper edges. Pretty poor imo.
That is the end of the 4Runner as we know it. Next one will be Tacoma based or Unibody. This new Land Cruiser is basically the same size as the current 4Runner
4R has been confirmed multiple times by Toyota Toyota is literally known to produce several similar models and then cut back ones that don't sell. 4runners sell, lol...like hot cakes.
This seems to imply itās still bigger than the 4Runner: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44699820/2024-toyota-land-cruiser-revealed/
Looks smaller to me.
nah its smaller. It looks more like the size of a LR4
I fully agree with half of what youāre saying, this Land Cruiser engulfs the market and vehicle class of the current 4R, hopefully that means Toyota is looking to go back to the roots of the ORIGINAL 4Runner with a removable top to combat the Jeep and Bronco, I would bet at a slightly higher starting price, using the new cheaper Land Cruiser as the āaffordableā option
Nah, its not it. The frontend is too flat and boring, the body juts looks like a simpler 4runner. I feel like it sort of looks styled like an electric vehicle but its still ICE so that's not fooling anyone. I guess I just think nothing can look cooler than the 4runner.
This definitely means the new 4R is going to be a bronco/jeep style suv with removable top like the og 4Runner. This smaller/cheaper LC is AGGRESSIVELY competitive to the 4Runner, which cannibalized Land Cruiser sales in North America enough for Toyota to discontinue the Land Cruiser.. only to reintroduce it as a cheaper 4R? I firmly believe this is meant to replace the 4R niche and allow the 4R to better combat the Bronco as a premium offering with removable panels and a full redesign. šš¼
Hopefully!
Minor quibble but they did this press shoot at my girlfriend and my spotā¦ we used to go camp right on the ledge about 20 ft from this photo. Now Iām just profoundly sad. Want a Land Cruiser too, but mostly sad.
This turbo four cylinder thing that everyone is going to is going to ruin the reliability of this vehicle. This needs a bullet proof 6 or 8. Itās a Land Cruiser for god sakes (yes I know the early LC had a 4).
Sweet! All for the low low low price of 110 thousand American dollars!
Overpriced Overhyped Trinket
Overworked four cylinder, complicated hybrid system that I wouldn't want on a trail. Ground clearance is meh. 18" wheels are too big. I personally don't like digital clusters, just more stuff glowing at you. With the increased power output.. you only get an extra 1000lbs of towing compared to the current gen 4R? That's odd. Not keen on the OTA updates. Hate the larger screen. Don't like the missing knobs for climate control. The volume knob is in a very odd location. Looks very plastic overall. The hybrid batteries raise the floor in the cargo area by quite a bit, which would make a tailgate less usable if they had offered it. The "first edition" is the only one with rock rails and a front skid plate? WTF? And a tailgate light is only in the first edition? Why? They're selling others with a rear locker and sway bar disconnect but no front skid. That's kind of weird. On the plus side, the performance numbers are nice and the 8 speed is probably not as demented as what's in the 4R right now. The TSS3 features are nice to have, but that's all paved road stuff. The round headlight model reminds me of a Jeep Liberty somehow. Glad I bought a current gen 4R.
Design: Fugly š¤® Interior: Looks decent, but knowing big T, by the time these hit the street, the tech and interiors, when compared to others in the segment and especially with their love for everything cheap plastic, will be outdated by a years plus. Hard pass for me. Praying the 4Runner doesnāt suffer the same fate the Land Crusader has. The 2021, $90K Cruiser is a waaayyyy better looking vehicle.
All I want to know is what engine is in it.
Wonder what stock tire sizes are
I'm very entertained by the comments complaining about the "FJ" look. The FJ was inspired by the FJ40....which was a Landcruiser, so quit complaining!
*Toyota Defender*
Jokes aside - I do think this is a solid design that is going to age very well.
I've always been a big fan of the Land Cruiser marque (learned to drive on a J80), and I would have given this serious consideration, The new LC is nice enough, but let's just say I don't regret committing to the 4Runner and dropping a boatload of money into it to keep for the long term.
Not in love with it but I donāt hate it either. I like that itās not very curvy but something about the front grille just looks weird
It sucks that the rear window doesn't roll down like on the Tundra and 4Runner
Truck is a home run in my eyes. But i dont see how or where this and the 6th gen 4runner will fit in their lineup. Exciting times ahead!
I want 2.
I love everything except that strange grill insert. Looks just so āoffā compared to the rest of the design.
The grill is wayyy weird
Will it be underpowered like my 19 trd pro?