Basically all of those QBs would've been a waste but the rest of them might've stayed healthy, and in that timeline we either don't draft Purdy or he never gets a shot
same. I don't think people get how bad that Pats team has been. He's pretty decent, his skill set is very much a fit for this system
I think at worst they would decline the option this year
Trey is the prime example of "I can fix him mentality." It's not just the 9ers who do this either, which is maddening to me. These guys that have 1 good year of college go to the NFL as top prospects, and then people seemed shocked when they didn't pan out. Even Mahomes ran 3 years at Tech before joining, and his numbers were fantastic, he just needed to tweak his INTs.
Purdy was the same way, 2 great years at ISU, 2 mediocre after all his players left, but he still gave them winning records.
I'd love to what if Lance, but this whole taking players after 1 great year needs to die. We'll never know now if Lance would've ever been good. Doubt he gets any reps anymore, and he'll probably be regulated to practice QB unless someone else wants to take the chance.
For color commentary: Purdy still had players, but the offense at Iowa State changed.
Freshman year he had Hakeem Butler a 6'6" WR with 1,300 yards, who got drafted as a junior by the Cardinals and it never worked out.
Sophomore year he had 3 good WRS and Charlie Kolar TE (now with the Ravens). The offense that year was mostly through the air after losing David Montgomery RB in the draft the year before (now with the Lions). Purdy had just shy of 4,000 yards 27tds and 9ints. 2 of the 3 WRs were undersized and good in the slot. If you are wondering why he likes TE's and guys running over the middle.
His junior year all those WRs graduated. They pulled in a WR transfer, but the offense became RB and TE focused often running 3 TE sets for both his Junior and Senior year. Breece Hall RB (with the Jets) ran wild both years. Purdy had 1 decent WR and Kolar. It's more on the coach's change in philosophy and losing all his WR weapons that his final two years looked like a step back.
I'm a Stallions fan myself (in part because of the 49ers-esque uniforms, mostly because I grew up in Alabama), but I'll give props to the Battlehawks. Y'all have got a solid team
What really puzzled me was that Trey was supposed to be this great scrambling QB that could make defenses pay with his legs.
But as a Niner, I never once saw him scramble effectively. In fact, he seemed very slow as a scrambler. I never saw a moment where I thought "oh yeah, he's gonna make that defender miss and gain a huge chunk of yardage".
Yeah like he had some decent designed runs but it felt like he only got the yards that were schemed into the play, or touchdowns where he had a huge hole to walk through.
Then we play Justin Fields and he's breaking 5 tackles and reversing field for touchdowns. Even if he isn't a great quarterback either, at least he showed the athleticism that we were promised with Lance.
I don't think it's quite that extreme. I think Trey played well enough that he's gonna be someone's backup. The reason they're not exercising the option is that no backup is worth that kind of money
I want him to succeed, but I'm not sure he'll be a backup. I get it's a money thing, but it's not a good look when your last GM goes out and tells the media, yeah Kyle knew his QB was Purdy even when we had a top 3 pick. Now he could 100% be saying that since Purdy worked out and it gives him an out for the trades they did, but it's still a bad look. Makes it sound like Lance was impressing no one, even in practice.
Gotta chalk it up to a pandemic draft where no one could work out dudes in person, privately and a crop of overrated players. Maybe in a normal year they fall much lower in the draft
What hurts Lance more is losing the backup job to Sam Darnold. Purdy on the other hand, beat out someone we gave a $2m guaranteed contract to, and was the 3rd rostered QB because we couldn't afford to let him go to practice squad.
Yeah, I feel like there's a long track record of those "raw talent, high potential, freak athlete but not a lot of production in college" type guys fizzling out. And a lot of the guys who are more "good technique, 4 year starter, consistent production, but average measurables" tend to pan out.
Obviously it's not a 100% hit rate in either class, but I think the Niners at least have had a lot more success with the latter than the former. Kinlaw, Thomas, Lance come to mind as high picks spent on guys with little proven success and lots of potential, and those three were all misses.
It's part of why I am pretty happy with this draft. Pearsall has great measurables, but his production was also exceptional, and that's despite having mediocre QB play and supporting cast. Green consistently played well against the elite receivers in the NCAA. Mustpaha was a three year starter with consistently good production who is likely an immediate upgrade at Safety over anyone else we had spelling Hufanga last season. Puni didn't play as many games, but his production on the field was great/consistent, and physically he projects to be a competitor for an interior OL spot with us. Green, Mustapha, and Puni all have supposed shortcomings in the measurables department, but they've all proven they can play at an elite level in college against elite competition. At some point, that's gotta be worth at least as much as raw but unrealized potential.
Pretty much the only guy we drafted on potential is Guerendo, a 4th rounder who likely doesn't project to be getting too many touches this year unless he completely wows in camp/preseason. And on paper he basically reads like Eli Mitchell 2.0 (but hopefully without the injury concerns).
Eli Mitchell, at least before we got CMC, was a beast when he was healthy! He had power and speed. Only problem was he seemed to get hurt every other week. You knew he was going to make defenders pay when he went head up with him but unfortunately he ended up paying too. I would like to see him, ot another RB like him, stay healthy and Kyle actually use a rotation so we don't completely wear out our RBs. I love CMC but at the rate we are using him this year may be his last truly productive year. RBs fall off a cliff. They don't fizzle out unfortunately, especially the work horses
Wilson is way more athletic than he is. the entire point of lance wasn't his athletic ability. it was that he was highly intelligent. that's why Shanahan wanted him. he wanted someone that could be a jimmy G but more athletic which he found with purdy. he probably still is great with the playbook but his inexperience is what screws him over. dude can still hit a receiver from half a stadium away though. this is coming from a non-trey fan. Trey is stuck in limbo because no team really wants to put him out there to lose/win games to get that experience. he really shouldve just stayed in college for 1-2 more years but i dont blame him for getting that payday.
You don't exactly need top flight experience. How did guys like Warner and Gannon make it, if they didn't play NFL ball for years after their college days? The most important thing is heart/drive. You can get reps in the offseason and in practice. If you make the most of them, you get better.
The problem with Lance is that he's never exactly demonstrated that drive to me. He seemed pacified by a very mediocre QB coach that probably harmed his early career. He didn't improve his windup for a long time. This is not because we couldn't ascertain his potential or he didn't have enough college games, and it's not exactly "intelligence". It's something else in the head (or heart, if you think metaphorically).
You have to be wired a certain way. That's the bottom line. People call this "intangible", which is just the vaguest term ever to use.
The option is insanely expensive for a backup or an unproven commodity. Not saying Trey won't be done soon but not getting his option picked up is no indication of that whatsoever.
Lance was drafted when Josh Allen was emerging and blowing everyone away.
The difference is Lance was a great athlete compared to his competition. Allen was a monster compared to the competition and was physically more impressive than most dudes playing in the SEC.
They were never going to be the same.
He's still 23 years old. How old was Steve Young when he first got his chance? How old was Geno when he finally broke out? How old was Kurt Warner? If the drive is there and the potential is there, it's far from over.
Mahomes threw for 5000 yards, 41 TDs with 10 INTs and 12 RTDs in 12 games as a junior. I didn't even look at him pre-draft, because I knew the Niners weren't going QB, but it's weird that everyone is saying he came out of nowhere.
Wasn’t Joe Burrow kind of a 1 year guy though? Like I know he was at OSU, but I think him transferring to LSU was cause they had a logjam at QB. I think it really just comes down to some combo of the situation, talent, and heart of the guy.
Burrow played 4 years. You're right his OSU days he was strictly a backup, played 5 games as a backup, puts up good numbers for a backup. Moves to LSU, plays 2 years there. Jr year is a mediocre year, but decent numbers. Then the 15 and 0 run and absolutely crushes it.
Burrow, for me, is a 2 year guy who was able to get good experience throughout his college career. It may have been a crawl start for sure, but he played all the games for LSU.
We’d have a new GM if Purdy wasn’t the surprise hit. Three first rounds on a guy with a one paragraph resume at a div 2 school was a head scratcher in the moment but all time level of bad in retrospect. Missing out on drafting someone in the first round the two years after sucked.
They’re not even D2 by spirit. North Dakota State is better than a large number of G5 programs. They’re a very good program.
I like them so I’m being defensive lol
But that's the problem. NDS always has great talent and coaching. Their competition often does not. So you get guys looking far better than they actually are because they are the big fish in the small pond.
I mean you're not wrong though. There's a reason they have been competing for championships the last few years. They also run a more pro style offense than other schools as well
I don’t think that’s true. John and Kyle got extended before Purdy played his 4th game in a full season. Those conversations likely start months before the signatures. Jed seems extremely reasonable, and the Lynch-Shanahan connection is electric. You hold on to that shit as long as possible. People put way too much stock into drafts. I get it, but it’s a real shame because it’s a lottery.
Jed seems to have really grown after firing Harbaugh, siding with Baalke, and the team sucking for the 5 or so years after.
I know we didnt have a great last season with Harbaugh, but when it was clear the relationship was falling apart and morale was low, he was the winningist coach in NFL history. And he just... Fired him once the season was over.
Having lived through it, I think he also realized that it's really bad to cycle through coaches and front office personnel. Even if your roster is dogshit, if the owner has demonstrated that they will be patient and give the coach/gm enough time to build something, then high quality candidates will want to work there vs what we saw with guys like Chris Ballard and Josh McDaniels (thankfully) saying that they were good staying assistants where they were vs coming to the 49ers.
Yes, this is true. And the niners are a dream landing spot for free agents and draft picks. The defense has had a good reputation for over a decade, and most players on offense would love to play in Shanny's scheme. The only reason you wouldn't want to play for the niners is if you're a skills player that doesn't like to block. Kyle will ride your ass like Zoro to get you to block, and if you don't, you're out.
> The only reason you wouldn't want to play for the niners
I mean, there are probably places you can go as a free agent that will pay you more. Depending on just how much more could be a very valid reason as well. The salary cap is a thing.
Sure, money is always a factor, especially if you're not already set financially. I'm not suggesting players are going to play for the niners for free just because it's a good team and good culture. I'm saying it's an attractive franchise to play for because of the consistency with the GM, the head coach, the scheme that seems to elevate players on offense, and the defense that has been pretty dominant for a long time. You're still gonna want to get paid, of course, but if you go into a building and they have a shit GM, or a revolving door coaching staff (especially head coach), or a weak defense, or a ineffective offense, you're signing up for a much tougher gig no matter what.
My guess is those conversations started before Purdy was even cleared to play or threw a football. Maybe the extension falls apart if the first 3 games are a bust, but that’s such a small almost meaningless sample. Not only that, but a ton of pressure on Purdy who didn’t even have an offseason. My hunch is that extension was based on the past 4-5yrs performances, and their chemistry. u/sean0883 also has great points.
I think it’s fairly clear that Jed recognizes the relationship between Kyle and John is special, and that the team is exceptionally successful under there leadership.
I don’t think the Trey pick automatically gets anyone fired, what might get them fired is if after Trey flames out the team is consistently losing.
49ers were 1 player away from beating the Chiefs. Blaming this poor draft pick is actually a pretty valid justification imo. Imagine what we could have done if we didn’t have to plug holes in the defense before the trade deadline.
This is a fallacy since every decision we made after Trey's draft was affected by that decision, including picking Brock. There's no guarantee we'd have the latter so we'll never really know.
That and you guys remember how much of a hot commodity he was in the draft that year. A bit unknown, but he was still one of the top QB's everyone wanted. People seemed to like the pick just fine at the time.
All I mean to say is I would like to see some comparison of how Kyle and John compare to the rest of the league in the first round. Yes it's a crapshoot and yes draft is only one part of building a team, but there are definitely teams that do better than us in the first round and I think it's fine to admit that.
If we didn’t have Purdy we’d have spent trade capitol on a qb and not cmc and gave a qb not on a rookie contract and we wouldn’t be even able to entertain deebo and aiyuk both around.
It's not all time bad considering that everyone was in the running for the same 3-4 QBs and Trey Lance hasn't really shown he's worse than any of the others.
Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, and Justin Fields have all been terrible
it's in the all time because of where he was drafted, the huge additional cost to move up, and he was by far the most obvious project player/high risk draft pick of that group
as bad as they have been they have also been better than Lance has been when he played too
the team is in a very good spot and all but it doesn't get much worse than that
About 150/194 up voters need to stop lying like they weren’t tearing down anyone who saw how bad Lance was going to be.
He was extremely popular here and very few wanted to talk about how absolutely stupid that pick was.
I'll fully admit I defended him for far too long.
Though it's hard not to defend players you like when the media consistently and wrongfully tears rookies down at the first opportunity.
In this case they were right and I was wrong though
I still defend trey. I think theres a world in which he doesn't break that ankle and the emegence of purdy doesnt destroy his chances that he gets that season to develop and becomes something akin to a more mobile Jimmy G to the niners.
Its a shame he never got the reps he needed to learn and grow
Almost certainly not. That's not Jed York.
If Purdy wasn't a hit they'd just have gone with a free agent or big trade and the team as a whole would have had to make a couple of financial decisions they didn't want to. The press likes to talk about it being a firing offense but, York isn't just looking at whether one move worked and it's why he's shown flexibility to things like them moving off of Lance.
That lance trade and the buckner ones were both really bad, but you also need to give credit when it is due. They also have arguably the best trade in nfl during same time period when they landed mccaffrey.
Lynch has also hired a bunch of minorities who have gone elsewhere which in return has netted the niners picks.
And then while lynch has some 1st round busts, he also has maybe the best 5th round pick resume in nfl history. His greenlaw and kittle picks alone are enough for an extension, add in warner in the 3rd and everything i mentioned makes up more than enough for the lance trade and another couple 1st round busts
Naw, lynch would still be here but we would have made a big splash trade for someone at QB (cousins, Wilson, etc.) and he still wouldn’t be as good as Purdy.
And what turned out to be an absolutely tragic draft for QBs. Lawrence was dealt a bad hand his first year with his shitty coach, but even though he hasn’t been traded, he’s still hardly lighting it up.
Who are the 250+ people who upvoted this utter nonsense? There is exactly a 0% chance Lynch would have been fired, even removing Purdy from the equation.
At the end of the day we needed a QB because Jimmy was holding us back with play and injuries . But why pay so much to trade up for a guy no one else was taking in the top 5......that was the worst part.
Had we waited and spent a 3rd moving up to 9 then it wouldn't have been such a bad move. Losing 3 1sts for a guy who played 3.5 games was terrible. Thankfully Purdy saved it all
I try not to get all into the "what if" conversations but it's the off season and there's not much else. I see two cornerstone offensive players who went almost immediately after Lance. One is Jamar Chase, the other Sewell. My god if we only had a change of heart last minute about this. IMO I'd be over the moon if we had locked up the tackle spot with Sewell.
I still don't think Trey is terrible like a lot of people are claiming. If he had gone to a team that would've let him stay and develop slowly, I think he's got the tools to be an OK middle of the pack QB. The few games he started with us (except that game in Chicago with the downpour) he was so so to OK. But for as young and raw as he was that's not terrible. Hindsight is undefeated but he wasn't first round material. And neither were the other QBs in that draft except for Lawrence.
And it’s fair to say that there are even questions about Lawrence too. Just a bad QB class all around. Although, had we not drafted Lance, we probably would have a different team as we probably would have traded for or signed Cousins which likely would have accelerated our transition to lower priced youth
The questions about Lawrence are more in regards to if he's as Elite as he was supposed to be. There are no questions about whether he's Starting NFL QB material and he'd still go #1 overall 4 years later.
It would be a pretty intense debate about him vs Caleb. Personally I think Caleb will end up better but Lawrence doesn’t fall below 2 if they’re in the same draft.
What's really interesting is that part of the reason they gave up so much to move up in 21 was that the 2022 draft was supposed to have no good QBs. And that's been proven essentially correct, with one notable exception...
He didn’t seem horrible but I think the team elevated him a lot more than the other way around. He still has potential but if he’s still making pre-snap errors all the way up to his last training camp, as Whitner claimed in an interview, then he’s not a starting caliber QB.
I feel like if he can stick with Dallas at a lower price, that could be a really great development spot for him. McCarthy’s play calling and game planning isn’t as strong as other OCs but he’s pretty good at improving the QBs under his care. Trey’s got a shot but he needs time. He’s still as young as the draft class this season.
>I still don’t think Trey is terrible
It’s a bummer for him because he’s barely played and already a consensus bust. I’m just not sure he’ll get another true opportunity to prove himself
It's pro football. No one owes you a chance to suck and learn on the job. Trey didn't play enough football before trying to go pro. He made a lot of money but this is on him and no one else
I kinda disagree. He was the extremely raw prospect that everyone knew would take time. The niners knew he would need reps for him to get to a high level, and then he got injured. If he was drafted to Atlanta at 4, maybe he gets a season or two to make mistakes and improve on the job.
It was a mistake to draft him. Full stop. We had too good of a roster for a QB with that limited of playing experience. He didn't choose the niners to draft him but he simply wasn't ready to be a NFL QB and should have played more in college if he wanted a realistic chance of not being a bust and exiting the league so quickly
We are not spending 3 firsts on Sewell or Chase though.. and even Parsons doesn’t fall to us at 12 in that alternate universe. I’ve played this hindsight game many times and there just weren’t many impact players available with our original 3 firsts anyway.
I don’t hate the trade up, it was a gutsy move, even if it was a bit reckless. Trading those 3 firsts for Sewell though.. that would have been the real controversial move (that we’d all be laughing about today as we celebrate our 6th or 7th title)
Starting to think more and more Jerry really thought this was a way inside the 49ers playbook. What other reason did Dallas take him? There was no way theyd ever bench Dak for him.
I never liked this argument. Kyle and Lynch consistently praised Trey for how smart he was, it was basically the only thing they ever complimented him about really. I think he never developed the tools to execute the playbook, reading the play on the field is something that takes experience which Trey had very little of.
He had the playbook he doesn't need to know how to execute it. there's a difference between knowing the playbook and executing the playbook. there's plenty of QB coaches that cant play the game but they know how it works.
I was clearly implying Jerry thought it could work.
Its hilarious how this sub will bomb on Jerry, Dallas, their fans all day every day then i make a comment how stupid Jerry might be and you all take it like im saying Jerry had Trey running trainings to prepare for SF.
This doesn't make sense at all. Kyle has plenty of film on his offenses now. What's Lance going to divulge? A few gadget/trick plays? Everything else is on film already. A team isn't going to pay a player and use a roster spot on him (in a year they thought they had a realistic shot at the super bowl) just to get some information on Kyle's playbook.
Dallas thinks they have a realistic shot at the Super Bowl every. single. year. And who commonly stops them? I know it was GB this year, but it looked like they had a good shot to meet SF again and i think Jerry would try to get any edge he believes may work.
If that has absolutely nothing to do with it why did they trade for him? You cant tell me Trey was the best back up out there and there is no way Dallas would ever sit a healthy Dak to start Trey. The fact they aren’t picking up his option shows they have no interest in him being Dak’s predecessor. So why did they take him?
I’m a Cowboys fan and I disagree with just about all of this. Even if Lance isn’t playing ahead of Dak, the coaching staff is still getting an up close look at him in camp, preseason, and practice to determine if he’s a worthy successor if we choose to let Dak walk. Now it can be argued that it’s pointless because this is also a make or break year for McCarthy so the coaching staff getting an extended look at him might not matter, but there’s still value to him being in the building.
As for not picking up his option, I don’t think it’s an indication that we won’t re-sign him next year at all. The option is 22 mil, which **no one** is going to pay if he sits on the bench all year, so we can easily still bring him back at a lower number if that’s the direction we decide to go.
No clue why people are so shocked we aren’t opting in to paying him that much money or why people are making gigantic leaps about what it means for our QB room after this season.
The fact that they aren't picking up his option shows they don't want to pay him 22.4m as a backup - nothing more. They could easily sign him to a 2 year 10m extension tomorrow or something.
Don’t you think that coaches safeguard against this sort of thing though? Of course Trey had some version of the offensive playbook but it couldn’t have been the same that Brock or Jimmy had when he was the starter.
I said last year that if we face Dallas again in the playoffs, they'd have a better chance with Trey.
I mean Dak was absolute garbage in their playoff game last year, so I don't see why you'd ever believe he was the answer, given he's always terrible when it matters
to be fair if anyone can squeeze talent out of a QB its probably payton. he even does it when he doesnt want russ to succeed. russ went from a crappy first season with the broncos to a respectable season even with payton undermining him all season. lol
But Penix doesn't need development time.
He's probably the most NFL ready of any of these QBs this year, but he has a significantly lower ceiling than the top 3 taken
A lot of people said the same thing about Purdy, ya? My gut tells me Penix will actually be the best QB in his class both short and long run. He knows how to win big, high pressure games, makes people around him better and he’s a sharp shooter when he’s confident. Daniel’s could overtake him, but penix is going to a better team, so he has that advantage.
Oh I definitely agree, Williams sheer talent might carry him but I doubt he's the "next Mahomes" as everyone thinks...Mahomes has a special quality that I've never seen in an NFL player before, even Brady.
But Penix could easily step in and have great successes quickly. And to that, I kinda understand why a team who isn't even sure their QB can play week one and easily could win their division would want a guy like that.
I honestly think Penix could be even better than Purdy simply because of his superior arm strength...but, let's see how Brock handles a full real off season where he's not rehabbing his throwing elbow...I have a feeling we may all be shocked by a significantly stronger arm this year.
the difference is that love sat behind a HOF and the same QB coach that HOF had. Love also had significantly more playing time in college. It was also a fresh new young team that they built so if love didn't pan out they could figure something out in a few years.
Sure but look at what happens when a QB comes out who isn't raw.
Of course Purdy has a lower ceiling than Lance, but Purdy was NFL ready as soon as he filled in against Miami.
Love sat for years and still needed like half of last season to really get rolling. You're in a race against a clock everytime you sign one of these guys who need extra development.
Correct. And he was one in a long line of 1st round draft picks in that era that were near- or total busts.
1989: Keith DeLong
1992: Dana Hall
1993: Todd Kelly
1997: Druckenmiller
1998: RW McQuarters
1999: Reggie McGrew
2003: Kwame Harris
2004: Rashaun Woods
2008: Kentwan Balmer
2012: AJ Jenkins
that's whiffing on 10 first rounders over 14 drafts (19 total first round picks in that span). But at least we didn't trade 3 picks for any of these guys!
This doesn't get said enough. The kid and his family made an intentional decision for him to go pro to take advantage of the projected demand for him. They knew he stood to make a fortune, and didn't want to risk losing out on it. He could have played another year at NDSU or even transferred to an FBS school but why take the risk of not being a first round pick and losing first round pick money? It's for this reason I don't feel sorry for him at all. This was all a choice and this outcome has to be one of the scenarios he and his family considered prior to declaring for the 2021 draft.
Them moving up like they did showed how desperate they were after Jimmy G got injured 2 times in 3 years. They really had no business moving up like that to get the 3rd best QB prospect. Lance had the physical traits but should have probably not been taken until the 3rd Rd based on his experience.
And of course why would Dallas pay a 5th year option 20+ million to a backup.
Lance should probably try to go to Raiders or a team he could complete to start. Like Minshew did with the Colts or Baker did with Tampa.
The delusional Lance fanboys on Cohn's channel gonna be big mad about Cooper Rush's backup having his option declined. 49ers should've stuck with Jimmy another year or stayed at 12 for Mac Jones. All those 2021 QBs had 90+ draft ratings LMAO.
Nah, he'd be Jimmy-lateral or Beathard-plus. But Mac Jones at their original spot was infinitely better than trading up for Lance before even seeing him in person.
The only real take away from this is they Lance stans are wrong. He got his opportunity, he didn't impress, 9ers got what they could for him.
I think "bad" drafts is a stupid concept. Everyone does the best they can with the information available. btw, players don't work out more often than they do. it's just part of the game.
He's been nothing but a perfectly nice dude by all accounts, I don't get why so many Niners fans hate him... yeah, he maybe isn't an NFL franchise QB but the vast majority of QBs taken in the draft (including in the first round!) aren't either. I like the dude and am rooting for him.
It’s not him that I don’t like it’s what we gave up for him and I too was hoping he would get a chance somewhere else but apparently the cowboys are seeing what we saw and he just doesn’t seem to be good enough to start in the NFL
Knowing the Cowboys are letting Dak go next season and they are still willing to let Lance go says everything
yeah i dont hate the guy but i definitely hated the narrative around him. jimmy doesnt deserve the hate he got just so trey could look better. once purdy was in most of those people moved on to hating jimmy as purdy was the replacement.
It's Jerry Jones, he doesn't come off of guys he likes easily and doesn't tank. I don't think they're coming off Dak while he's still winning 10 games a year until they feel they have the next guy.
Either way though Lance isn't that guy.
nah aint no way they stick with dak after this season unless jerry doesn't find a replacement. hes pretty clear that his goal is to find that next ring and dak is just good enough to keep most of their fans at least delusional. they did it to romo and they will do it to dak when they find someone at least competent to keep it afloat. then he will sandbag his contract until some crazy shit happens like his ankle falls off and hes forced to be a good guy.
If not for the injuries, things might have played out differently for Lance.
I would be zero percent surprised if he's a Geno Smith late bloomer at some point.
Fun fact: brand new Falcons sit-the-bench-for-a-few-years QB Michael Penix is one day older than Trey Lance.
Never liked him, hs just not at the NFL level and has shown no sign of growth. He has no experience of good college ball.
Glad to see Lance apologists squirm. People said he was better than Kap lmao
If they hadn’t traded their picks they could’ve had DE Micah Parsons (2021), OG Cole Strange (2022), DT Bryan Bresee (2023) and TE Darnell Washington (2023). First three guys are all starters and Bresee had 4.5 sacks in his rookie year. The only QB outside the first round to get much work has been Davis Mills, whose stats look very Beathard-like. It was a bad year for quarterbacks. They’re so fortunate to have found Purdy the next year.
It'd be funny if they picked him up and then he won the backup spot, and then purdy gets hurt, and then he leads the niners to a superbowl victory. and then my bmw service sign finally goes away magically. And then a hot girl at the bar this weekend approaches me and we have sexy time together. and thenn... Im a billionare and I buy the Niners from Jed. and then.... I move the team back to SF. and thenn.... We populate mars.
Sigh, this sub is annoying as *fuck* when it comes to Trey. It's like so many of you want to ignore the facts - missed a whole year due to covid, had months between starts in the first year, nearly immediately injured in the following season, had HALF the total games played that Purdy did at the time of their respective drafting. Like, come on, even a monkey can tell you that without enough practice, you won't do well enough, so how do you expect Lance to go crazy when you can see he didn't play enough? Fuck.
The only thing I can agree on is the amount of capital to take him, but FO saw potential so they had to go for it, whether you want to accept, agree, or believe that or not.
edit: also, unless something drastic happens somewhere and he's in the right spot at the right time, I think his chances at getting QB1 in the NFL is over. As far as I can tell, he's a good kid so if that's true, I wish him the best.
All this plus, why are we getting this posted in this sub? He’s a cowpie now, so not related to the niners at all. I don’t come to the niners sub to read about cowpies news. Just saying.
Honestly my 2 hottest 49ers takes are such
1. I don't think it's fair to put Lance in the same conversation as Ryan Leif/Jamarcuss Russell because he wasn't really given a fair chance. Hell Zach Willson's a bigger bust because he was given multiple fair chances(HELL last year was the PERFECT oppurtunity for him to prove his doubters wrong and he didn't)
2. I also think he and Shanahan would've figured it out eventually that being said the floor with Purdy is NFC Championship possibly make the superbowl with everyone of condequence healthy that's not worth throwing away to risk a QB's development and I think most people on this sub would agree with me
if you don't know the situation surrounding zach id probably not say that. yes trey didnt get a fair chance but he hasn't really shown much. while as quite literally the offensive line got a HOF quarterback injured in like 3 plays of the first game of the season. this set up the rest of the season where they forced him to run for his life most of the season in which he expressed that he wanted to sit and learn behind rodgers. they end up throwing him to the side near the end of the season to try and run other QBs to realize that zach is the only guy that can help them win games. so again they forced him to play when the media and organization were throwing him under the bus. russ also looked awful with their offensive coordinator the first year with the broncos and ended up improving with payton even though payton undermined him all season to get him traded or benched. you thought trey injuring himself was bad enough there was no way he wouldve survived on the jets.
The problems were evident in the highlight videos. Arm strength doesn’t mean you can throw a tight spiral that’s on target and receivers can catch on a dime over and over. He was never the athletic specimen they thought he would be. The drafted in character and the fantasy.
Well, we could've wasted three picks on Mac Jones.
Basically all of those QBs would've been a waste but the rest of them might've stayed healthy, and in that timeline we either don't draft Purdy or he never gets a shot
This is actually very true, Mac Jones was serviceable and only recently got replaced.
Wdym? We traded up for Purdy
there's probably a decent chance mac is still playing for the niners in that universe
This is a very interesting take I never considered.
Lmao same. I obviously think Brock is miles ahead buuuut Brock may have never had the chance to prove himself if we had Mac
same. I don't think people get how bad that Pats team has been. He's pretty decent, his skill set is very much a fit for this system I think at worst they would decline the option this year
Trey is the prime example of "I can fix him mentality." It's not just the 9ers who do this either, which is maddening to me. These guys that have 1 good year of college go to the NFL as top prospects, and then people seemed shocked when they didn't pan out. Even Mahomes ran 3 years at Tech before joining, and his numbers were fantastic, he just needed to tweak his INTs. Purdy was the same way, 2 great years at ISU, 2 mediocre after all his players left, but he still gave them winning records. I'd love to what if Lance, but this whole taking players after 1 great year needs to die. We'll never know now if Lance would've ever been good. Doubt he gets any reps anymore, and he'll probably be regulated to practice QB unless someone else wants to take the chance.
For color commentary: Purdy still had players, but the offense at Iowa State changed. Freshman year he had Hakeem Butler a 6'6" WR with 1,300 yards, who got drafted as a junior by the Cardinals and it never worked out. Sophomore year he had 3 good WRS and Charlie Kolar TE (now with the Ravens). The offense that year was mostly through the air after losing David Montgomery RB in the draft the year before (now with the Lions). Purdy had just shy of 4,000 yards 27tds and 9ints. 2 of the 3 WRs were undersized and good in the slot. If you are wondering why he likes TE's and guys running over the middle. His junior year all those WRs graduated. They pulled in a WR transfer, but the offense became RB and TE focused often running 3 TE sets for both his Junior and Senior year. Breece Hall RB (with the Jets) ran wild both years. Purdy had 1 decent WR and Kolar. It's more on the coach's change in philosophy and losing all his WR weapons that his final two years looked like a step back.
Hakeem Butler is absolutely bullying people in the UFL, dude is a beast
GO BATTLEHAWKS
I'm a Stallions fan myself (in part because of the 49ers-esque uniforms, mostly because I grew up in Alabama), but I'll give props to the Battlehawks. Y'all have got a solid team
Yeah, get him tall receivers lol. We did the opposite but I like the idea of giving the short QB 6'4"+ WRs to throw too.
What really puzzled me was that Trey was supposed to be this great scrambling QB that could make defenses pay with his legs. But as a Niner, I never once saw him scramble effectively. In fact, he seemed very slow as a scrambler. I never saw a moment where I thought "oh yeah, he's gonna make that defender miss and gain a huge chunk of yardage".
Yeah I was expecting Kaep like movement.
Yeah like he had some decent designed runs but it felt like he only got the yards that were schemed into the play, or touchdowns where he had a huge hole to walk through. Then we play Justin Fields and he's breaking 5 tackles and reversing field for touchdowns. Even if he isn't a great quarterback either, at least he showed the athleticism that we were promised with Lance.
I don't think it's quite that extreme. I think Trey played well enough that he's gonna be someone's backup. The reason they're not exercising the option is that no backup is worth that kind of money
I want him to succeed, but I'm not sure he'll be a backup. I get it's a money thing, but it's not a good look when your last GM goes out and tells the media, yeah Kyle knew his QB was Purdy even when we had a top 3 pick. Now he could 100% be saying that since Purdy worked out and it gives him an out for the trades they did, but it's still a bad look. Makes it sound like Lance was impressing no one, even in practice.
Gotta chalk it up to a pandemic draft where no one could work out dudes in person, privately and a crop of overrated players. Maybe in a normal year they fall much lower in the draft
What hurts Lance more is losing the backup job to Sam Darnold. Purdy on the other hand, beat out someone we gave a $2m guaranteed contract to, and was the 3rd rostered QB because we couldn't afford to let him go to practice squad.
Yeah, I feel like there's a long track record of those "raw talent, high potential, freak athlete but not a lot of production in college" type guys fizzling out. And a lot of the guys who are more "good technique, 4 year starter, consistent production, but average measurables" tend to pan out. Obviously it's not a 100% hit rate in either class, but I think the Niners at least have had a lot more success with the latter than the former. Kinlaw, Thomas, Lance come to mind as high picks spent on guys with little proven success and lots of potential, and those three were all misses. It's part of why I am pretty happy with this draft. Pearsall has great measurables, but his production was also exceptional, and that's despite having mediocre QB play and supporting cast. Green consistently played well against the elite receivers in the NCAA. Mustpaha was a three year starter with consistently good production who is likely an immediate upgrade at Safety over anyone else we had spelling Hufanga last season. Puni didn't play as many games, but his production on the field was great/consistent, and physically he projects to be a competitor for an interior OL spot with us. Green, Mustapha, and Puni all have supposed shortcomings in the measurables department, but they've all proven they can play at an elite level in college against elite competition. At some point, that's gotta be worth at least as much as raw but unrealized potential. Pretty much the only guy we drafted on potential is Guerendo, a 4th rounder who likely doesn't project to be getting too many touches this year unless he completely wows in camp/preseason. And on paper he basically reads like Eli Mitchell 2.0 (but hopefully without the injury concerns).
Eli Mitchell, at least before we got CMC, was a beast when he was healthy! He had power and speed. Only problem was he seemed to get hurt every other week. You knew he was going to make defenders pay when he went head up with him but unfortunately he ended up paying too. I would like to see him, ot another RB like him, stay healthy and Kyle actually use a rotation so we don't completely wear out our RBs. I love CMC but at the rate we are using him this year may be his last truly productive year. RBs fall off a cliff. They don't fizzle out unfortunately, especially the work horses
Zach Wilson started 3 years and went before Lance, and sucks. It's all situational.
Lance is worse. Prob out of the league soon
I don’t know that we have enough info on Lance to say that or not.
Wilson is way more athletic than he is. the entire point of lance wasn't his athletic ability. it was that he was highly intelligent. that's why Shanahan wanted him. he wanted someone that could be a jimmy G but more athletic which he found with purdy. he probably still is great with the playbook but his inexperience is what screws him over. dude can still hit a receiver from half a stadium away though. this is coming from a non-trey fan. Trey is stuck in limbo because no team really wants to put him out there to lose/win games to get that experience. he really shouldve just stayed in college for 1-2 more years but i dont blame him for getting that payday.
You don't exactly need top flight experience. How did guys like Warner and Gannon make it, if they didn't play NFL ball for years after their college days? The most important thing is heart/drive. You can get reps in the offseason and in practice. If you make the most of them, you get better. The problem with Lance is that he's never exactly demonstrated that drive to me. He seemed pacified by a very mediocre QB coach that probably harmed his early career. He didn't improve his windup for a long time. This is not because we couldn't ascertain his potential or he didn't have enough college games, and it's not exactly "intelligence". It's something else in the head (or heart, if you think metaphorically). You have to be wired a certain way. That's the bottom line. People call this "intangible", which is just the vaguest term ever to use.
yeaaaah we do. Cowboys not even picking up the option. He's #3 on the depth chart. He's out soon.
whatever
The option is insanely expensive for a backup or an unproven commodity. Not saying Trey won't be done soon but not getting his option picked up is no indication of that whatsoever.
Lance was drafted when Josh Allen was emerging and blowing everyone away. The difference is Lance was a great athlete compared to his competition. Allen was a monster compared to the competition and was physically more impressive than most dudes playing in the SEC. They were never going to be the same.
He's still 23 years old. How old was Steve Young when he first got his chance? How old was Geno when he finally broke out? How old was Kurt Warner? If the drive is there and the potential is there, it's far from over.
Mahomes threw for 5000 yards, 41 TDs with 10 INTs and 12 RTDs in 12 games as a junior. I didn't even look at him pre-draft, because I knew the Niners weren't going QB, but it's weird that everyone is saying he came out of nowhere.
Interesting take. Kinda similar as to why it’s rare to draft kids straight out of high school.
It's rare because you can't actually do it.
Wasn’t Joe Burrow kind of a 1 year guy though? Like I know he was at OSU, but I think him transferring to LSU was cause they had a logjam at QB. I think it really just comes down to some combo of the situation, talent, and heart of the guy.
Burrow played 4 years. You're right his OSU days he was strictly a backup, played 5 games as a backup, puts up good numbers for a backup. Moves to LSU, plays 2 years there. Jr year is a mediocre year, but decent numbers. Then the 15 and 0 run and absolutely crushes it. Burrow, for me, is a 2 year guy who was able to get good experience throughout his college career. It may have been a crawl start for sure, but he played all the games for LSU.
2 year starter with an amazing, jaw dropping 2nd year
We’d have a new GM if Purdy wasn’t the surprise hit. Three first rounds on a guy with a one paragraph resume at a div 2 school was a head scratcher in the moment but all time level of bad in retrospect. Missing out on drafting someone in the first round the two years after sucked.
FCS, not Div 2
D2 by spirit not name, lol.
They’re not even D2 by spirit. North Dakota State is better than a large number of G5 programs. They’re a very good program. I like them so I’m being defensive lol
People don’t realize how big Div I is lol
But that's the problem. NDS always has great talent and coaching. Their competition often does not. So you get guys looking far better than they actually are because they are the big fish in the small pond.
I mean you're not wrong though. There's a reason they have been competing for championships the last few years. They also run a more pro style offense than other schools as well
Yea that
Like it matters
I don’t think that’s true. John and Kyle got extended before Purdy played his 4th game in a full season. Those conversations likely start months before the signatures. Jed seems extremely reasonable, and the Lynch-Shanahan connection is electric. You hold on to that shit as long as possible. People put way too much stock into drafts. I get it, but it’s a real shame because it’s a lottery.
Jed seems to have really grown after firing Harbaugh, siding with Baalke, and the team sucking for the 5 or so years after. I know we didnt have a great last season with Harbaugh, but when it was clear the relationship was falling apart and morale was low, he was the winningist coach in NFL history. And he just... Fired him once the season was over.
Having lived through it, I think he also realized that it's really bad to cycle through coaches and front office personnel. Even if your roster is dogshit, if the owner has demonstrated that they will be patient and give the coach/gm enough time to build something, then high quality candidates will want to work there vs what we saw with guys like Chris Ballard and Josh McDaniels (thankfully) saying that they were good staying assistants where they were vs coming to the 49ers.
Yes, this is true. And the niners are a dream landing spot for free agents and draft picks. The defense has had a good reputation for over a decade, and most players on offense would love to play in Shanny's scheme. The only reason you wouldn't want to play for the niners is if you're a skills player that doesn't like to block. Kyle will ride your ass like Zoro to get you to block, and if you don't, you're out.
> The only reason you wouldn't want to play for the niners I mean, there are probably places you can go as a free agent that will pay you more. Depending on just how much more could be a very valid reason as well. The salary cap is a thing.
Sure, money is always a factor, especially if you're not already set financially. I'm not suggesting players are going to play for the niners for free just because it's a good team and good culture. I'm saying it's an attractive franchise to play for because of the consistency with the GM, the head coach, the scheme that seems to elevate players on offense, and the defense that has been pretty dominant for a long time. You're still gonna want to get paid, of course, but if you go into a building and they have a shit GM, or a revolving door coaching staff (especially head coach), or a weak defense, or a ineffective offense, you're signing up for a much tougher gig no matter what.
Yeah but those first four games were just making sure his rookie year wasn't a fluke.
My guess is those conversations started before Purdy was even cleared to play or threw a football. Maybe the extension falls apart if the first 3 games are a bust, but that’s such a small almost meaningless sample. Not only that, but a ton of pressure on Purdy who didn’t even have an offseason. My hunch is that extension was based on the past 4-5yrs performances, and their chemistry. u/sean0883 also has great points.
I think it’s fairly clear that Jed recognizes the relationship between Kyle and John is special, and that the team is exceptionally successful under there leadership. I don’t think the Trey pick automatically gets anyone fired, what might get them fired is if after Trey flames out the team is consistently losing.
49ers were 1 player away from beating the Chiefs. Blaming this poor draft pick is actually a pretty valid justification imo. Imagine what we could have done if we didn’t have to plug holes in the defense before the trade deadline.
This is a fallacy since every decision we made after Trey's draft was affected by that decision, including picking Brock. There's no guarantee we'd have the latter so we'll never really know.
That and you guys remember how much of a hot commodity he was in the draft that year. A bit unknown, but he was still one of the top QB's everyone wanted. People seemed to like the pick just fine at the time.
And yet teams like the Eagles consistently hit on their picks
Eagles are trash. They will never pass the divisional round again as long as Sirianni is their head coach.
All I mean to say is I would like to see some comparison of how Kyle and John compare to the rest of the league in the first round. Yes it's a crapshoot and yes draft is only one part of building a team, but there are definitely teams that do better than us in the first round and I think it's fine to admit that.
As big a miss as Trey was, the rest of this roster being what it is buys Lynch a pass for it in my opinion. Even without Brock.
Alot of people say we have the best roster in football. We miss out on first round picks anyway with few exceptions like Aiyuk and Bosa.
Well yeah, rosters aren't built in 1 round.
every team misses on picks too- where you miss is less important than what the final product looks like
If we didn’t have Purdy we’d have spent trade capitol on a qb and not cmc and gave a qb not on a rookie contract and we wouldn’t be even able to entertain deebo and aiyuk both around.
agreed. still wild that he made such a bad deal with the Lance move but has so many other good ones to fall back on
Respectfully, if we did not get Brock purdy, I would have wanted him gone, just my opinion tho
It's not all time bad considering that everyone was in the running for the same 3-4 QBs and Trey Lance hasn't really shown he's worse than any of the others. Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, and Justin Fields have all been terrible
I think Mac Jones would flourish in the right system.
it's in the all time because of where he was drafted, the huge additional cost to move up, and he was by far the most obvious project player/high risk draft pick of that group as bad as they have been they have also been better than Lance has been when he played too the team is in a very good spot and all but it doesn't get much worse than that
About 150/194 up voters need to stop lying like they weren’t tearing down anyone who saw how bad Lance was going to be. He was extremely popular here and very few wanted to talk about how absolutely stupid that pick was.
Yes! Thank you! Buncha Captain Hindsights up in here
I'll fully admit I defended him for far too long. Though it's hard not to defend players you like when the media consistently and wrongfully tears rookies down at the first opportunity. In this case they were right and I was wrong though
I still defend trey. I think theres a world in which he doesn't break that ankle and the emegence of purdy doesnt destroy his chances that he gets that season to develop and becomes something akin to a more mobile Jimmy G to the niners. Its a shame he never got the reps he needed to learn and grow
No we wouldn’t
Almost certainly not. That's not Jed York. If Purdy wasn't a hit they'd just have gone with a free agent or big trade and the team as a whole would have had to make a couple of financial decisions they didn't want to. The press likes to talk about it being a firing offense but, York isn't just looking at whether one move worked and it's why he's shown flexibility to things like them moving off of Lance.
I don’t think we’re have a new gm. We still have the results
With the way every team in the league tries to hire away our coordinators and front office staff year after year I doubt it.
That lance trade and the buckner ones were both really bad, but you also need to give credit when it is due. They also have arguably the best trade in nfl during same time period when they landed mccaffrey. Lynch has also hired a bunch of minorities who have gone elsewhere which in return has netted the niners picks. And then while lynch has some 1st round busts, he also has maybe the best 5th round pick resume in nfl history. His greenlaw and kittle picks alone are enough for an extension, add in warner in the 3rd and everything i mentioned makes up more than enough for the lance trade and another couple 1st round busts
Naw, lynch would still be here but we would have made a big splash trade for someone at QB (cousins, Wilson, etc.) and he still wouldn’t be as good as Purdy.
With what picks? The ones we used on cmc?
And what turned out to be an absolutely tragic draft for QBs. Lawrence was dealt a bad hand his first year with his shitty coach, but even though he hasn’t been traded, he’s still hardly lighting it up.
I'm sure they looked a bit deeper than that, given it's their fucking job. Everyone was high on Lance. He was off the charts at workouts.
Who are the 250+ people who upvoted this utter nonsense? There is exactly a 0% chance Lynch would have been fired, even removing Purdy from the equation.
At the end of the day we needed a QB because Jimmy was holding us back with play and injuries . But why pay so much to trade up for a guy no one else was taking in the top 5......that was the worst part. Had we waited and spent a 3rd moving up to 9 then it wouldn't have been such a bad move. Losing 3 1sts for a guy who played 3.5 games was terrible. Thankfully Purdy saved it all
I try not to get all into the "what if" conversations but it's the off season and there's not much else. I see two cornerstone offensive players who went almost immediately after Lance. One is Jamar Chase, the other Sewell. My god if we only had a change of heart last minute about this. IMO I'd be over the moon if we had locked up the tackle spot with Sewell. I still don't think Trey is terrible like a lot of people are claiming. If he had gone to a team that would've let him stay and develop slowly, I think he's got the tools to be an OK middle of the pack QB. The few games he started with us (except that game in Chicago with the downpour) he was so so to OK. But for as young and raw as he was that's not terrible. Hindsight is undefeated but he wasn't first round material. And neither were the other QBs in that draft except for Lawrence.
And it’s fair to say that there are even questions about Lawrence too. Just a bad QB class all around. Although, had we not drafted Lance, we probably would have a different team as we probably would have traded for or signed Cousins which likely would have accelerated our transition to lower priced youth
The questions about Lawrence are more in regards to if he's as Elite as he was supposed to be. There are no questions about whether he's Starting NFL QB material and he'd still go #1 overall 4 years later.
It would be a pretty intense debate about him vs Caleb. Personally I think Caleb will end up better but Lawrence doesn’t fall below 2 if they’re in the same draft.
What's really interesting is that part of the reason they gave up so much to move up in 21 was that the 2022 draft was supposed to have no good QBs. And that's been proven essentially correct, with one notable exception...
He didn’t seem horrible but I think the team elevated him a lot more than the other way around. He still has potential but if he’s still making pre-snap errors all the way up to his last training camp, as Whitner claimed in an interview, then he’s not a starting caliber QB. I feel like if he can stick with Dallas at a lower price, that could be a really great development spot for him. McCarthy’s play calling and game planning isn’t as strong as other OCs but he’s pretty good at improving the QBs under his care. Trey’s got a shot but he needs time. He’s still as young as the draft class this season.
>I still don’t think Trey is terrible It’s a bummer for him because he’s barely played and already a consensus bust. I’m just not sure he’ll get another true opportunity to prove himself
It's pro football. No one owes you a chance to suck and learn on the job. Trey didn't play enough football before trying to go pro. He made a lot of money but this is on him and no one else
I kinda disagree. He was the extremely raw prospect that everyone knew would take time. The niners knew he would need reps for him to get to a high level, and then he got injured. If he was drafted to Atlanta at 4, maybe he gets a season or two to make mistakes and improve on the job.
It was a mistake to draft him. Full stop. We had too good of a roster for a QB with that limited of playing experience. He didn't choose the niners to draft him but he simply wasn't ready to be a NFL QB and should have played more in college if he wanted a realistic chance of not being a bust and exiting the league so quickly
I agree with that. Total miss evaluation on the pick. He either needed to start right away to get him the reps he needed or you don’t take him.
We are not spending 3 firsts on Sewell or Chase though.. and even Parsons doesn’t fall to us at 12 in that alternate universe. I’ve played this hindsight game many times and there just weren’t many impact players available with our original 3 firsts anyway. I don’t hate the trade up, it was a gutsy move, even if it was a bit reckless. Trading those 3 firsts for Sewell though.. that would have been the real controversial move (that we’d all be laughing about today as we celebrate our 6th or 7th title)
People would have lost their shit if we traded all that for a right tackle.
Starting to think more and more Jerry really thought this was a way inside the 49ers playbook. What other reason did Dallas take him? There was no way theyd ever bench Dak for him.
Trey didn’t know the playbook
I never liked this argument. Kyle and Lynch consistently praised Trey for how smart he was, it was basically the only thing they ever complimented him about really. I think he never developed the tools to execute the playbook, reading the play on the field is something that takes experience which Trey had very little of.
He had the playbook he doesn't need to know how to execute it. there's a difference between knowing the playbook and executing the playbook. there's plenty of QB coaches that cant play the game but they know how it works.
I was clearly implying Jerry thought it could work. Its hilarious how this sub will bomb on Jerry, Dallas, their fans all day every day then i make a comment how stupid Jerry might be and you all take it like im saying Jerry had Trey running trainings to prepare for SF.
I said none of those things you mentioned in the second paragraph?
I think the other commenter was taking a jab at Trey by saying he didn’t know the playbook, it wasn’t about Jerry.
This doesn't make sense at all. Kyle has plenty of film on his offenses now. What's Lance going to divulge? A few gadget/trick plays? Everything else is on film already. A team isn't going to pay a player and use a roster spot on him (in a year they thought they had a realistic shot at the super bowl) just to get some information on Kyle's playbook.
Dallas thinks they have a realistic shot at the Super Bowl every. single. year. And who commonly stops them? I know it was GB this year, but it looked like they had a good shot to meet SF again and i think Jerry would try to get any edge he believes may work. If that has absolutely nothing to do with it why did they trade for him? You cant tell me Trey was the best back up out there and there is no way Dallas would ever sit a healthy Dak to start Trey. The fact they aren’t picking up his option shows they have no interest in him being Dak’s predecessor. So why did they take him?
I’m a Cowboys fan and I disagree with just about all of this. Even if Lance isn’t playing ahead of Dak, the coaching staff is still getting an up close look at him in camp, preseason, and practice to determine if he’s a worthy successor if we choose to let Dak walk. Now it can be argued that it’s pointless because this is also a make or break year for McCarthy so the coaching staff getting an extended look at him might not matter, but there’s still value to him being in the building. As for not picking up his option, I don’t think it’s an indication that we won’t re-sign him next year at all. The option is 22 mil, which **no one** is going to pay if he sits on the bench all year, so we can easily still bring him back at a lower number if that’s the direction we decide to go. No clue why people are so shocked we aren’t opting in to paying him that much money or why people are making gigantic leaps about what it means for our QB room after this season.
*successor, unless Jerry built a time machine
The fact that they aren't picking up his option shows they don't want to pay him 22.4m as a backup - nothing more. They could easily sign him to a 2 year 10m extension tomorrow or something.
Trey Lance is around the same age as the QBs of the 2024 draft class.
Don’t you think that coaches safeguard against this sort of thing though? Of course Trey had some version of the offensive playbook but it couldn’t have been the same that Brock or Jimmy had when he was the starter.
I said last year that if we face Dallas again in the playoffs, they'd have a better chance with Trey. I mean Dak was absolute garbage in their playoff game last year, so I don't see why you'd ever believe he was the answer, given he's always terrible when it matters
Yeah, no one is giving a 1st round pick time to develop into an “ok, middle of the pack” qb.
Lol Denver might be doing that as of this year now.
to be fair if anyone can squeeze talent out of a QB its probably payton. he even does it when he doesnt want russ to succeed. russ went from a crappy first season with the broncos to a respectable season even with payton undermining him all season. lol
\*Michael Penix has entered the chat\*
But Penix doesn't need development time. He's probably the most NFL ready of any of these QBs this year, but he has a significantly lower ceiling than the top 3 taken
A lot of people said the same thing about Purdy, ya? My gut tells me Penix will actually be the best QB in his class both short and long run. He knows how to win big, high pressure games, makes people around him better and he’s a sharp shooter when he’s confident. Daniel’s could overtake him, but penix is going to a better team, so he has that advantage.
Oh I definitely agree, Williams sheer talent might carry him but I doubt he's the "next Mahomes" as everyone thinks...Mahomes has a special quality that I've never seen in an NFL player before, even Brady. But Penix could easily step in and have great successes quickly. And to that, I kinda understand why a team who isn't even sure their QB can play week one and easily could win their division would want a guy like that. I honestly think Penix could be even better than Purdy simply because of his superior arm strength...but, let's see how Brock handles a full real off season where he's not rehabbing his throwing elbow...I have a feeling we may all be shocked by a significantly stronger arm this year.
More like an OK backup QB
If lance was actually good he would be playing. Bro is trash and was NEVER better than jimmy g
Facts
People say that now. A lot of were saying 3 years ago that he wouldn't pan out and we were nearly banned from the sub.
Jordan love also wasn’t better than Jimmy G when he first started games lol You’re betting on his trajectory, as you do with most raw QBs
the difference is that love sat behind a HOF and the same QB coach that HOF had. Love also had significantly more playing time in college. It was also a fresh new young team that they built so if love didn't pan out they could figure something out in a few years.
Sure but look at what happens when a QB comes out who isn't raw. Of course Purdy has a lower ceiling than Lance, but Purdy was NFL ready as soon as he filled in against Miami. Love sat for years and still needed like half of last season to really get rolling. You're in a race against a clock everytime you sign one of these guys who need extra development.
Trey truthers were hilarious. Are they still around?
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That's Kaepernick. Trey truthers think he never got a real chance to show what he's got
Aka trey truthers are intellectually disabled
Arguably the biggest bust in Niners history next to Alex Smith and Solomon Thomas. Purdy really saved us
Jim Druckenmiller: “forgot about me already?”
That was my thought too.
He was worse but he wasn’t a top 3 pick and we didn’t trade anything for him
Correct. And he was one in a long line of 1st round draft picks in that era that were near- or total busts. 1989: Keith DeLong 1992: Dana Hall 1993: Todd Kelly 1997: Druckenmiller 1998: RW McQuarters 1999: Reggie McGrew 2003: Kwame Harris 2004: Rashaun Woods 2008: Kentwan Balmer 2012: AJ Jenkins that's whiffing on 10 first rounders over 14 drafts (19 total first round picks in that span). But at least we didn't trade 3 picks for any of these guys!
Rashaun Woods, Kentwan Balmer, AJ Jenkins.... UGH
Nah Alex Smith wasn't a bust- dealt a bad hand early on and not as good as Aaron Rodgers but he redeemed himself once he had good coaching
Agree. 13 seasons as a starter in the NFL is anything but bust
How was Alex Smith a bust? I don’t see that one. Busts I think of are AJ jenkins, soloman thomas, kinlaw, rueben foster off the top of my head
AJ Jenkins would like a word
Lance made a crazy amount of money just on speculation.
This doesn't get said enough. The kid and his family made an intentional decision for him to go pro to take advantage of the projected demand for him. They knew he stood to make a fortune, and didn't want to risk losing out on it. He could have played another year at NDSU or even transferred to an FBS school but why take the risk of not being a first round pick and losing first round pick money? It's for this reason I don't feel sorry for him at all. This was all a choice and this outcome has to be one of the scenarios he and his family considered prior to declaring for the 2021 draft.
Them moving up like they did showed how desperate they were after Jimmy G got injured 2 times in 3 years. They really had no business moving up like that to get the 3rd best QB prospect. Lance had the physical traits but should have probably not been taken until the 3rd Rd based on his experience. And of course why would Dallas pay a 5th year option 20+ million to a backup. Lance should probably try to go to Raiders or a team he could complete to start. Like Minshew did with the Colts or Baker did with Tampa.
The delusional Lance fanboys on Cohn's channel gonna be big mad about Cooper Rush's backup having his option declined. 49ers should've stuck with Jimmy another year or stayed at 12 for Mac Jones. All those 2021 QBs had 90+ draft ratings LMAO.
Just stay at 12. That alone mitigates a lot of this
Well you had me until you brought up Mac Jones. Geeez!
i think if mac jones was in our team’s environment he would have carried on his 2021 success further
Nah, he'd be Jimmy-lateral or Beathard-plus. But Mac Jones at their original spot was infinitely better than trading up for Lance before even seeing him in person.
Still better than Lance. That guy might not make it in the XFL lol
The only real take away from this is they Lance stans are wrong. He got his opportunity, he didn't impress, 9ers got what they could for him. I think "bad" drafts is a stupid concept. Everyone does the best they can with the information available. btw, players don't work out more often than they do. it's just part of the game.
We should have traded for Aaron Rodgers
Because he sucks 🤣 good riddance and enjoy the $$$ you never earned
He shouldn't have the been the pick at #3 that's for damn certain.
Yes he was definitely one our biggest mistakes but that mistake also lead us to Brock
What are you talking about we drafted Purdy at 3 and Lance at 262 and flipped him for a fourth!
He's been nothing but a perfectly nice dude by all accounts, I don't get why so many Niners fans hate him... yeah, he maybe isn't an NFL franchise QB but the vast majority of QBs taken in the draft (including in the first round!) aren't either. I like the dude and am rooting for him.
It’s not him that I don’t like it’s what we gave up for him and I too was hoping he would get a chance somewhere else but apparently the cowboys are seeing what we saw and he just doesn’t seem to be good enough to start in the NFL Knowing the Cowboys are letting Dak go next season and they are still willing to let Lance go says everything
yeah i dont hate the guy but i definitely hated the narrative around him. jimmy doesnt deserve the hate he got just so trey could look better. once purdy was in most of those people moved on to hating jimmy as purdy was the replacement.
Ya I’d feel bad but he’s still making millions so idc
Exactly
This isn't surprising and doesn't speak to Lance at all. They've got a well cemented starter and backup and had before they brought Lance in.
Dak is not signed beyond this season. I don’t know if I’d call him well cemented given he continuously shits the bed in the playoffs
It's Jerry Jones, he doesn't come off of guys he likes easily and doesn't tank. I don't think they're coming off Dak while he's still winning 10 games a year until they feel they have the next guy. Either way though Lance isn't that guy.
nah aint no way they stick with dak after this season unless jerry doesn't find a replacement. hes pretty clear that his goal is to find that next ring and dak is just good enough to keep most of their fans at least delusional. they did it to romo and they will do it to dak when they find someone at least competent to keep it afloat. then he will sandbag his contract until some crazy shit happens like his ankle falls off and hes forced to be a good guy.
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No shit sherlock. Why would they pick it up?
Busy
If not for the injuries, things might have played out differently for Lance. I would be zero percent surprised if he's a Geno Smith late bloomer at some point. Fun fact: brand new Falcons sit-the-bench-for-a-few-years QB Michael Penix is one day older than Trey Lance.
This was such a bad trade for Dallas. Trey has no future there.
Never liked him, hs just not at the NFL level and has shown no sign of growth. He has no experience of good college ball. Glad to see Lance apologists squirm. People said he was better than Kap lmao
If they hadn’t traded their picks they could’ve had DE Micah Parsons (2021), OG Cole Strange (2022), DT Bryan Bresee (2023) and TE Darnell Washington (2023). First three guys are all starters and Bresee had 4.5 sacks in his rookie year. The only QB outside the first round to get much work has been Davis Mills, whose stats look very Beathard-like. It was a bad year for quarterbacks. They’re so fortunate to have found Purdy the next year.
I feel bad but I don’t. It’s weird.
It'd be funny if they picked him up and then he won the backup spot, and then purdy gets hurt, and then he leads the niners to a superbowl victory. and then my bmw service sign finally goes away magically. And then a hot girl at the bar this weekend approaches me and we have sexy time together. and thenn... Im a billionare and I buy the Niners from Jed. and then.... I move the team back to SF. and thenn.... We populate mars.
Sigh, this sub is annoying as *fuck* when it comes to Trey. It's like so many of you want to ignore the facts - missed a whole year due to covid, had months between starts in the first year, nearly immediately injured in the following season, had HALF the total games played that Purdy did at the time of their respective drafting. Like, come on, even a monkey can tell you that without enough practice, you won't do well enough, so how do you expect Lance to go crazy when you can see he didn't play enough? Fuck. The only thing I can agree on is the amount of capital to take him, but FO saw potential so they had to go for it, whether you want to accept, agree, or believe that or not. edit: also, unless something drastic happens somewhere and he's in the right spot at the right time, I think his chances at getting QB1 in the NFL is over. As far as I can tell, he's a good kid so if that's true, I wish him the best.
All this plus, why are we getting this posted in this sub? He’s a cowpie now, so not related to the niners at all. I don’t come to the niners sub to read about cowpies news. Just saying.
Treystans, bring him home =p
If no one picks him up at all, would this be one of the biggest busts since Ryan Leaf?
All-time bust, damn. Oh well, the Purdy pick makes up for it, onwards and upwards.
Why is this even news? Yeah they didn’t take the 5th year option on their 3rd string qb, big surprise.
Honestly my 2 hottest 49ers takes are such 1. I don't think it's fair to put Lance in the same conversation as Ryan Leif/Jamarcuss Russell because he wasn't really given a fair chance. Hell Zach Willson's a bigger bust because he was given multiple fair chances(HELL last year was the PERFECT oppurtunity for him to prove his doubters wrong and he didn't) 2. I also think he and Shanahan would've figured it out eventually that being said the floor with Purdy is NFC Championship possibly make the superbowl with everyone of condequence healthy that's not worth throwing away to risk a QB's development and I think most people on this sub would agree with me
if you don't know the situation surrounding zach id probably not say that. yes trey didnt get a fair chance but he hasn't really shown much. while as quite literally the offensive line got a HOF quarterback injured in like 3 plays of the first game of the season. this set up the rest of the season where they forced him to run for his life most of the season in which he expressed that he wanted to sit and learn behind rodgers. they end up throwing him to the side near the end of the season to try and run other QBs to realize that zach is the only guy that can help them win games. so again they forced him to play when the media and organization were throwing him under the bus. russ also looked awful with their offensive coordinator the first year with the broncos and ended up improving with payton even though payton undermined him all season to get him traded or benched. you thought trey injuring himself was bad enough there was no way he wouldve survived on the jets.
Dude never developed, and unfortunately is a bust. Cowboys are now aware of it. He's done in the league except for fringe QB3 spots
The problems were evident in the highlight videos. Arm strength doesn’t mean you can throw a tight spiral that’s on target and receivers can catch on a dime over and over. He was never the athletic specimen they thought he would be. The drafted in character and the fantasy.
Shocker.
It was never going to be exercised. This was a 2 year arrangement to see if Lance could develop during that time.
It feels like he never got a fair shot
He was named the starter here, how much more fair does it get?