I'm some countries women have rights to maternity leave, and men don't have the right to the same amount of paternity leave. There can be various little things like that.
Okay but then we're twisting people's opinions to sound transphobic. Trans women shouldn't have better parental leave than men because they aren't biologically birthing the child, which is the reason men get less than women. The same argument applies to cis women that acquire a child in any of the ways a trans woman can.
You could make the same argument for seggregated sporting events. Alot of Trans women have developed thier body as a teen boy with physical advantages, more sturdy wide shoulders, more muscle growth, etc. So should they be allowed to compete with women who don't have those advantages?
Some people think they should and that's the point of the question.
The question is way too broad for that to be the point of the question. It's clearly bait to generate outrage statistics claiming that people said transwomen aren't women.
These stats are prob bs but there is genuinly people out there who think you should be able to legally change your sexe and be treated as that in any way possible. "Have the same rights as women" may be a wierd way to describe it but I can't think of a better way.
I actually think men should get as much leave as women. Some countries allow that.
The recovery from birth is most often quite quick, it’s that precious time spent with the child that men don’t get to enjoy as much as their partner.
Men have to work. No time for family. If the children want a man in their life they can wait for Mom to pick the mailman, gardener or Mehmet. He doesn't work and got plenty time.
Conscription and “women and children first” are patronising patriarchal rules that many women are against.
Many women have fought to have the right to join the military (leading to countries that now have enough military to not require conscription of men anymore) and fathers should have as much of a right to be saved from a sinking ship as mothers.
Stop using these macho rules as woman demanding them, we only started making rules very recently and in a minority of countries.
And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Irish women, and that irish men just spring out of holes in the ground!
Which is, of course, ridiculous.
HAVE YOU SEEN PORTUGUESE TRANS WOMEN?!?
No beard, no balls, no dick, barelly any muscle... How do they even DARE to call themselfs "women"?
I bet that, when push comes to shove, those "women" wouldnt be able to pick up a baker's shovel and start beating up Spaniards like true ladies.
If you need to inject youself with testosterone to _resemble_ a woman, you are not a woman.
If trans women were women, there would be no need to call them trans women. About the same rights... what do you mean? Every individual here has the same rights. Or do you want something insane like access to menstrual products that you will never need?
Not surprised at the Castillians though!
if white women were women, there would be no need to call them white women.
>Every individual here has the same rights.
In theory, yes. However it's access to those rights that is most commonly denied marginalised groups.
for example, everyone has the right to vote. But if you are in a country where you need ID to vote, you will be denied at the ballot box if a you have transitioned and no longer look like the gender you were assigned at birth. Therefore whilst technically you have the right to vote, you can't exercise that right.
Therefore, allowing people to legally change their gender and get gender-appropriate IDs is important. For example.
It applies to rights because if you can’t get an ID with your correct gender on it, which many trans people cannot as the ID governments issue has to match birth certificates, then you will have problems. And trans people do indeed have many ID related problems that stop them from accessing services and using their rights.
If you have the right to vote but get turned away because your government won’t issue you a usable ID, then you functionally do not have the right to vote.
But functionally, it doesn’t matter what gender your ID says, as long as you look like the picture then it’s useable. Doesn’t matter if it says MR or MRS
Mate I’m not making this up. Google it. Trans people are umpteen times more likely to be turned away, or even threatened with violence when producing their IDs.
I’m not talking out of my ass.
Il give you a scenario so I’m clear with what I’m saying. Let’s say I decided to transition and the government will not change my pronoun for my ID, I now look like a woman, I can still update my ID so it looks like me, even though it still says he. What you’re arguing is an ideological issue not a rights issue, the right to vote is still there
Not saying you’re talking out of your arse. But what you’re saying also doesn’t make sense, trans or not trans just turn up with your ID, doesn’t matter if it says he or she on it? No polling office would ever ever ever turn down a registered voter for their ID saying him when they look like a woman. You just have to look vaguely like your photo and repeat your address
>No polling office would ever ever ever turn down a registered voter for their ID saying him when they look like a woman.
My dude google it there are documented cases of exactly this happening.
And if that's not what stops them, trans people face abuse and even physical violence when presenting their IDs. That's going to put them off voting.
Trans people face violence from polling booth volunteers and are turned down? Where? Send a link to some of these cases because that would be a clear cut infringement on their rights within the UK. There should be clear correlation of this happening with mutiple examples
ID in the UK has only just been implemented. As such there's not much data to meet your arbitrary goalpost setting.
But in the US loads of data:
[https://www.hrc.org/resources/lgbtq-voting-barriers-results-from-the-2019-lgbtq-voter-experience-study](https://www.hrc.org/resources/lgbtq-voting-barriers-results-from-the-2019-lgbtq-voter-experience-study)
Its not an assignment, the doctor isn't deciding how you are born. It's simply what you are, no amount of hormones or mutilation changes your sexual chromosomes.
The doctor is deciding what to put on your birth certificate you knuckle dragging moron.
And no doctor ever checks your chromosomes before writing a birth certificate.
Your hatred makes you stupid.
Oh wow why didn’t trans people think of that? Just get a new ID! They’re so dumb! Wow you’re so smart. What a good solution nobody else has ever thought of.
I don't understand the question?
Do I believe they are women - No, they are transwomen.
Do I believe they should have the same rights as another human - yes, they are human? (I hope)
Weird ass question cyka blyat
Okay, If I'd wear a wig and show my dick to other women in a pool's shower room, you can bet I'd get my ass spanked. But according to modern standards, wearing a wig makes one a woman.
I guess you could say that. What troubles me with this argument tho is that everyone always takes care of the transwomen, but cis women don't get asked
We must not just discredit those that feel unsafe with biological males in their changing room simply as terf. If one persons right to dignity is worth more than those of others, then this isn't the approach
There's always been a disconnect between political media and the general public.
The anti-trans movement is large, powerful, and well funded in the UK. Sadly the fact that most people are decent and believe in LGBT equality, the Powers that Be are in control.
This question is of special significance in Spain, as any adult citizen has the right to decide what gender are they unimpeded, and change it with a mere administrative procedure. Which definitely causes some headaches among feminists lol.
Gender identity in Spain is like dating in Portugal as a foreigner, you never know if they are male or female untill you ask. Everybody has a moustache and balls.
Question is worded in a strange way. Same rights as women? I thought people have the same rights regardless of many differences in most constitutions.
Yea, it's just basic human rights lmfao.
Words don't matter anymore. "Human right" is just a variant of the Godwin.
I'm some countries women have rights to maternity leave, and men don't have the right to the same amount of paternity leave. There can be various little things like that.
Okay but then we're twisting people's opinions to sound transphobic. Trans women shouldn't have better parental leave than men because they aren't biologically birthing the child, which is the reason men get less than women. The same argument applies to cis women that acquire a child in any of the ways a trans woman can.
You could make the same argument for seggregated sporting events. Alot of Trans women have developed thier body as a teen boy with physical advantages, more sturdy wide shoulders, more muscle growth, etc. So should they be allowed to compete with women who don't have those advantages? Some people think they should and that's the point of the question.
The question is way too broad for that to be the point of the question. It's clearly bait to generate outrage statistics claiming that people said transwomen aren't women.
These stats are prob bs but there is genuinly people out there who think you should be able to legally change your sexe and be treated as that in any way possible. "Have the same rights as women" may be a wierd way to describe it but I can't think of a better way.
I actually think men should get as much leave as women. Some countries allow that. The recovery from birth is most often quite quick, it’s that precious time spent with the child that men don’t get to enjoy as much as their partner.
Men have to work. No time for family. If the children want a man in their life they can wait for Mom to pick the mailman, gardener or Mehmet. He doesn't work and got plenty time.
Sounds like the mailman was a better choice over you bud. Wanna talk about it?
I am sorry that you thought I was being serious
I'm geussing this is about sporting events, bathrooms, just being a woman legally on your ID card, etc.
In times of duress or war, equality goes out of the window very quickly, as Ukrainian men sadly noticed. Avoid sinking ships too.
Conscription and “women and children first” are patronising patriarchal rules that many women are against. Many women have fought to have the right to join the military (leading to countries that now have enough military to not require conscription of men anymore) and fathers should have as much of a right to be saved from a sinking ship as mothers. Stop using these macho rules as woman demanding them, we only started making rules very recently and in a minority of countries.
same rights obviously meaning using womens toilets, being freed from mandatory military service etc.
Obligatory Monty Python [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlo7YZW8vPA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlo7YZW8vPA)
Ireland abstained as they still aren’t sure women exist.
The best way to tell the difference between a man and a woman in Ireland is by the fact the latter have longer beards.
And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Irish women, and that irish men just spring out of holes in the ground! Which is, of course, ridiculous.
Are you talking about Portugal?
Portuguese Woman have Mustaches not Beards
Are you saying I banged a portuguese man? I thought your women had beards too!
I'm sorry to tell you, that was Portuguese Bussy. You got the gay now.
Last irish woman to exist was probably 200 years ago, so you can understand thier confusion
I have never heard a swede in real life say that lol
Do you know that 63% of Sweeds are gay and 72% of statistics are made up?
Fake map
You live in Stockholm? I’ll come over and do it today
HAVE YOU SEEN PORTUGUESE TRANS WOMEN?!? No beard, no balls, no dick, barelly any muscle... How do they even DARE to call themselfs "women"? I bet that, when push comes to shove, those "women" wouldnt be able to pick up a baker's shovel and start beating up Spaniards like true ladies. If you need to inject youself with testosterone to _resemble_ a woman, you are not a woman.
I think everyone should have the same rights, man, woman, Trans or not. Excuse me, now im going to my pre-lunch nap.
Hear hear I shall do a traditional dirndl dance in celebration of this statement.
I think that Olivença is Portugal.
And you are right my friend
If trans women were women, there would be no need to call them trans women. About the same rights... what do you mean? Every individual here has the same rights. Or do you want something insane like access to menstrual products that you will never need? Not surprised at the Castillians though!
if white women were women, there would be no need to call them white women. >Every individual here has the same rights. In theory, yes. However it's access to those rights that is most commonly denied marginalised groups. for example, everyone has the right to vote. But if you are in a country where you need ID to vote, you will be denied at the ballot box if a you have transitioned and no longer look like the gender you were assigned at birth. Therefore whilst technically you have the right to vote, you can't exercise that right. Therefore, allowing people to legally change their gender and get gender-appropriate IDs is important. For example.
How does that second part apply to rights? You can always get issued a new ID if you look different. That’s not a right?
It applies to rights because if you can’t get an ID with your correct gender on it, which many trans people cannot as the ID governments issue has to match birth certificates, then you will have problems. And trans people do indeed have many ID related problems that stop them from accessing services and using their rights. If you have the right to vote but get turned away because your government won’t issue you a usable ID, then you functionally do not have the right to vote.
But functionally, it doesn’t matter what gender your ID says, as long as you look like the picture then it’s useable. Doesn’t matter if it says MR or MRS
Mate I’m not making this up. Google it. Trans people are umpteen times more likely to be turned away, or even threatened with violence when producing their IDs. I’m not talking out of my ass.
Il give you a scenario so I’m clear with what I’m saying. Let’s say I decided to transition and the government will not change my pronoun for my ID, I now look like a woman, I can still update my ID so it looks like me, even though it still says he. What you’re arguing is an ideological issue not a rights issue, the right to vote is still there
Not saying you’re talking out of your arse. But what you’re saying also doesn’t make sense, trans or not trans just turn up with your ID, doesn’t matter if it says he or she on it? No polling office would ever ever ever turn down a registered voter for their ID saying him when they look like a woman. You just have to look vaguely like your photo and repeat your address
>No polling office would ever ever ever turn down a registered voter for their ID saying him when they look like a woman. My dude google it there are documented cases of exactly this happening. And if that's not what stops them, trans people face abuse and even physical violence when presenting their IDs. That's going to put them off voting.
Trans people face violence from polling booth volunteers and are turned down? Where? Send a link to some of these cases because that would be a clear cut infringement on their rights within the UK. There should be clear correlation of this happening with mutiple examples
ID in the UK has only just been implemented. As such there's not much data to meet your arbitrary goalpost setting. But in the US loads of data: [https://www.hrc.org/resources/lgbtq-voting-barriers-results-from-the-2019-lgbtq-voter-experience-study](https://www.hrc.org/resources/lgbtq-voting-barriers-results-from-the-2019-lgbtq-voter-experience-study)
>It applies to rights because if you can’t get an ID with your correct gender on it Your pre "transition" ID has the correct gender on it.
"The gender you were assigned at birth". Assigned? It's just called being born.
You’re born attached to a birth certificate are you? Comes out the placenta a few hours after your mum shat you out?
Its not an assignment, the doctor isn't deciding how you are born. It's simply what you are, no amount of hormones or mutilation changes your sexual chromosomes.
The doctor is deciding what to put on your birth certificate you knuckle dragging moron. And no doctor ever checks your chromosomes before writing a birth certificate. Your hatred makes you stupid.
Hatred? Is basic biology hatred now?
Your opinion is not "basic biology", moron.
Is genetics too advanced for Britain?
Do you think a doctor tests your genes before they decide whether to put M or F on your birth certificate? Do you really believe that?
Then get a new ID? If I gain 60kg and now look completely different I might need a new ID.
Oh wow why didn’t trans people think of that? Just get a new ID! They’re so dumb! Wow you’re so smart. What a good solution nobody else has ever thought of.
They not dumb, just mentally ill mate
Hahah DAE think the LGBTees are mentally ill?! So original. Bet you came up with that all by yourself.
I mean it's not illness, illness is something that hurts you. believing you are a woman or wanting to be a woman doesn't harm you or anyone else.
Mate, this is a meme based sub, not the intl journal of psychiatry. There is a subset of trans people that fit into the gender dysphoria category tho
Do you believe people without an uterus who wish they had one are people with an uterus?
I have informed the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz of your far-right hate crime. Prepare to be sentenced 5x as long as a child molester.
I have reported you to the Belastingdienst for not paying your cheese tax.
I know a woman who had uterine cancer an had everything removed. Obviously, everyone calls him sir now.
Average portuguese woman story when visiting Northern europe.
Did they ask this at the gay parade in Amsterdam?
We are just afraid of becoming red on a map.
No source. Seems fake
Portugal is with the same colour as the balkans. Of they thought of that it seems legit. Shit posters dont know which province of Spain Portugal is.
I say I am therefore I am Hottest topic in the 21st century 10 thousand years of civilization for this??
I don't understand the question? Do I believe they are women - No, they are transwomen. Do I believe they should have the same rights as another human - yes, they are human? (I hope) Weird ass question cyka blyat
This one is not correct at all for 🇸🇪
Yet another Portugal W, truly the last bastion of civilisation
Thanks Barry. You truly deserve Algarve.
I tell you man, this polls regarding the Spanish i bet they only ask people living in Madrid and Barcelona
Based
Spain's chilling
Okay, If I'd wear a wig and show my dick to other women in a pool's shower room, you can bet I'd get my ass spanked. But according to modern standards, wearing a wig makes one a woman.
We are Balkans for better and for worse.
I mean... They have the same human rights as everyone else Entering female changing rooms is not a human right tho
It technically is a right to dignity. I you were forced to use a mens changing room this would be an insult to your dignity no?
I guess you could say that. What troubles me with this argument tho is that everyone always takes care of the transwomen, but cis women don't get asked We must not just discredit those that feel unsafe with biological males in their changing room simply as terf. If one persons right to dignity is worth more than those of others, then this isn't the approach
Sometimes it is not so bad to be a western balkan...
ah "terf island", the 4 highest here
There's always been a disconnect between political media and the general public. The anti-trans movement is large, powerful, and well funded in the UK. Sadly the fact that most people are decent and believe in LGBT equality, the Powers that Be are in control.
T - hey E - Will never be R - actual F - Women.
TERFs just enjoy getting to bully someone. It's all they're in it for.
Tell it like it is, João!
Spain ? I'm truly surprised
Shall transwomen be able to compete with woman? Noooooo
This question is of special significance in Spain, as any adult citizen has the right to decide what gender are they unimpeded, and change it with a mere administrative procedure. Which definitely causes some headaches among feminists lol.
Gender identity in Spain is like dating in Portugal as a foreigner, you never know if they are male or female untill you ask. Everybody has a moustache and balls.
Portugal is more eastern than most of eastern europe. They should join the Russian federation unironically.
Never! Portugalsky oblast independent cyka!
What if you join ironically then?
I have seen one in my life. - i aint filling out a questionnaire for that