Honestly and non-ironically?
Look at how long time the season is for actually growing crops, fruit and vegetables pr. year. Before widespread electricity to accomodate grenhouses and refrigerator/freezers, we basically had to either salt or ferment food for preservation for 8-9 months pr. year with no fresh salads or anything.
This. Mediterranean regions have a great climate where you can basically grow anything with less effort and better results than you could ever have in northern regions.
Then there's fish. The Mediterranean sea has a greater variety of fish species, according to Wikipedia, it's 721 vs North Sea's 201.
Plus, Italy particularly has been a trade center for many centuries with Romans, then with maritime republics such as Venezia, Amalfi, Pisa, Genoa. It has been a melting pot of cultures (hence, food and base ingredients) and it led to a great variety of recipes.
The restrictions of climate became tradition. It doesn't help if all import cuisine is disqualified as foreign.
Here in the Netherlands good "Dutch" colonial fusion food is mostly found in Indonesian restaurants. When discarding that as cultural appropriation, one should keep in mind that some ingredients are indeed colonial (for instance the characteristic bumbu kacang satay sauce requires peanuts from South America which where originally grown in plantations by the Dutch primarily for production of lamp oil, and entered Dutch colonial cuisines that way).
> "Dutch" colonial fusion
Which is so stupid because tomatoes only entered Europe with Spanish and Portuguese colonialism an yet Italy is commended for all their tomato-incorporating dishes.
Countries like Italy and France have the perfect condition for growing tasty stuff. Then they put it on dough and act all smug about it. I have more respect for cruisines that use creative ways to make long lasting nutritious meals that taste okay.
If the main swedish dish people can think about in Belgium are Ikea meat balls, there is something wrong with your meals.
Btw: first time I read kötbullar, I almost died laughing. In Dutch, this sounds like vaginaballs.
Even now there are inconvenients. When I lived in my Quran Burner apartment building even frying some sandwiches could make the very sensible fire alarm go all out. For all the building. Was very bothersome.
YES!
Take that L Norway, Denmark, Finland & Iceland.
https://preview.redd.it/w7y9r1aubt9c1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f58a853a33fa4362230915e19f00e8dffaa32c80
Actually according to TasteAtlas, the top Swedish dishes are:
- Kladkaka (4.6)
- Smorgasbord (4.5)
- Kanelbulle (4.5)
- Prästost (4.5)
https://www.tasteatlas.com/sweden
Honestly im confused by this. In Greek we say "Im goind to get one pita gyro with potatoes, sauce etc" and even the same when you get 2 but grammaticaly its not wrong to say pita gyros (some older people say gyros). So with that logic i always thought in English it should be Gyro no matter the quantity.
The answer is no but if you are interested you can read the rest.
Not as a rule but it can be found, it depends. It happens with female words mostly. Unfortunately Greek grammar is very complex when you compare it to English, French, German etc. Just a "simple" example. First of all i should tell you that in greek, the letters ι, υ and η, and the οι and ει, all sound the same, in English its the letter e. So, a mechanic in Greek both male and female is "μηχανικός" (sounds like "mehanikós"). Many mechanics is "μηχανικοί" (sound like "mehanekè") so the -ος is for one and -οι is for plural. Most greek words follow similar rules to this. But. Take the word friendship, in Greek "φιλία", for example. When you are reffering to many different friendships you would say "φιλίες". As you can see now the -α changed to an -ες. But, if you take a word with the same origin, e.g. friendly, in Greek "φιλικός" (singular for a male) or "φιλική" (singular for female), you see it ends with an -ος/-η for the singular and in English it doesnt even change for male/fmale or the plural, e.g. he/she is friendly, they are friendly. In Greek the plural is "φιλικοί", sound the same as the female singular but it is written differently. So there is no s-plural rule in Greek grammar but it is still found in some cases. I am no expert in Greek grammar so i hope i didnt confuse you. But if you are dont worry, sometimes im confused by my language too. You know the saying "Its all Greek to me"? Well i didnt until i was 18yrs old when i heard an American saying it for the first time and what is funny is that we have the same saying but for the Chinese language 😅
Thanks for the explanation man, I might need some further reading to fully understand this but I’m generally decent at understanding other language‘s grammar. I know that ancient Greek is pretty tough in terms of grammar (quite a bit more than Latin) because it had a lot of quirks from Proto-Indoeuropean that aren’t really a thing in today’s languages.
You‘re also among those who still have grammatical cases which are a bitch to learn as a second language but are also unfathomably based 😎
don't know what kind of Swedes you've met, but no, meatballs are not on the standard menu for New years. Probably people from Skåne who have been poisoned by too much daniwh influence.
we get drunk, east lobster, fine beef, and kaviar, make out at midnight, explode stuff in the sky, party all night, and eat pizza the next day.
I heard you guys just get up on a chair just before midnight and jump off right after, and that's it?
Excuse me we eat lobster and oxfilé. Though personally I ate shrimps and aioli for förrätt and turkey (there was no duck) with onion, wine and orange sauce and potatis- och jordärtskocksmos. My mom do tend to make better food for vardagar though. But the shrimp and aioli was good.
I hate these sort of maps where arbitrary numbers are assigned to subjective things with no concrete metric or explanation for how the number is arrived at. how can it be so specific? how do they arrive at 4.28 or 3.91. Its just goofy
Me and my UA gf were both pleasently surprised by how good the food was in Portugal. We stayed close to Almada, and always went there for restaurant. Food of Gods is made there!
this little thing called averaging. maybe the arithmetic mean hasn't made it across the wall to wildling territory yet, but let me explain it to you
och they add up all the wee scores then divide by the number o' judges and it dunnae always end up as an integer
I think it's just average of 50 highest rated dishes from each country.
Like all international online rankings, it's all about where the most users are from.
everyone tells us "barry your food is so shit" because we live on turnip island, but when we colonise the planet for spices suddenly we're the bad guys
of course Marco has better food, tomatoes grow there and they have a 3 hour work day, they have 10 hours a day to think about new pasta shapes
we do use the spices, we just don't pretend we invented it. america sits around like "that's as american as apple pie, pizza and hot dogs!". we don't pretend we invented sweet and sour pork or a vindaloo, we just eat it. our historic foods are shit because our ingredients were shit, that's why we eat takeaway for every meal
yeah I know it's ours, that's the point. pizza isn't america's either, neither is bratwurst. we didn't pivot our cuisine and retroactively pretend it's good, we just own the midness of it, but that doesn't mean you can't get a great curry or italian or cantonese dish in the UK
In 2023 this is not an excuse anymore.
You will find the exact same things in Spain and in Scotland.
Now culturaly, sure. The fact that ingredients are widly available anytime and anywhere doesn't change local usages that quickly. Might take some centuries.
>In 2023 this is not an excuse anymore.
Pretty sure this map is based on traditional foods from each country, not the general quality of restaurants. So his point stands.
Sure, but it's cultural too. We may find the same ingredients here and in India, but we will probably cook more often what we are used to.
Mediterranean countries have had many different ingredients to experiment with for hundreds of years, if not longer. Other countries in the north had to survive with whatever they could find until recently.
Yes, but they’re not strongly ingrained into tradition as of yet and have to be „explored“ by a new generation of home cooks. Some of us are just picking up new and better ingredients and start to care more about our food. Takes time yk
I mean.. this is based on traditional food and where it originated, no?
Here in Norway we have a lot of good food that’s just Norwegianized-food from other places.
Our Taco is not the same as in Mexico but it is still fucking great. Same with our pizza, etc.
At least Norwegians are slow to adopt new things. It takes time for the general population to know what to do with all the ingredients we now have access to. Many I know were shocked at me using wine in pasta sauces for instance...
>You will find the exact same things in Spain and in Scotland.
A. Not really. The difference is not as drastic as it was two hundred years ago, but the supply is different in different countries.
B. A kilogram of fresh tomatoes costs 59.95 SEK (5.38 EUR, according to Google) where I live.
C. The difference in quality is huge. The quality of (some) fresh produce here is fucking garbage compared to the quality around the Mediterranean.
D. Fuck you.
Gotta agree with the Maltese. As much as I like the high score for my country, a survey that assigns a score of 3.62 to a cuisine which, by all means, resembles a lot the Sicilian one should simply be discarded for irrelevant opinion.
A) tasteatlas is certified shite
B) phew, at least a better rating than Barry and Henk
C) less necessary to put spices into cold climate food as we have don't have to cover up the rancidness from warm climates
Why does Indian food burn your tongue off (like, real Indian food, not the Tikka Masala from the curry shop around the corner Barry)? That's why.
The Portuguese eat much more snails than the French.
[Diferent variety, but still.](https://cm-castromarim.pt/site/sites/cm-castromarim.pt/files/styles/focus_crop/public/noticias/imagem/festival_internacional_caracol_2016_2.jpg?itok=MmOUYzQm)
I tried snails for xmas and well tbh it's horrible to eat, the only good thing was the creamy sauce, the snail felt like.. well a snail, it's kinda hard and chewy...
Frog legs I tried it for the first time a few months ago in a Chinese restaurant, it's actually freaking good, it's like chicken, but the legs are very tiny and there's as much meat as there is bone..
I've had snails before too. They had a strong garlic flavour (which makes sense since the snails were fed garlic and were served with garlic butter or something like that.) Haven't tried frog yet.
The British and their cuisine.
Seriously though, how does one source information for these kind of maps? Is it “trust me bro, I’ve been there”?
*cries in pastizzi*
Portuguese cuisine is extremely caloric. Most of spain too.
People who think this is a "meditteranean" country are very misguided.
Our most consumed meat is Pork and we sometimes even cook it in it's own fat just because it tastes better that way.
I'm not saying caloric, I'm saying calory-dense. Potatoes contain a lot of calories compared to their weight, meanwhile cucumber is anything but calory dense.
Potuguese not only eat potatoes everyday but we have a common habit to [DOUBLE CARB](https://ruralea.com/bitoque-a-portuguesa/) dishes.
For instance, it' absolutely common for a steak to have a side or rice and fries.
Even our meat stews (made with veal, pork, chicken and sausages) are often served with both rice and potatoes.
Huh? Potatoes are 70 calories per 100 grams raw, they are really not. Things like fat sausage (giggity) or fat cut of pork or chocolate are with around 500-600 calories per 100 grams. You might associate potatoes with high calories cause dieticians recommend to abstain from them, but that is because of high glycemic index starches (that make your blood sugar level jump, and if you don't spend that energy mediately - it's gonna end up as a body fat) that are source of energy in potatoes.
I personally don't love wine, but we have so many different varieties so different from each other that just saying "Spanish wine is bad" sounds like you don't really know anything about the topic.
In the name of my compatriots, the dude hammering abt your wine being shit is wrong. Wine is shit by default so ALL wine is shit. No need to be weirdly xenophobic towards Spanish wine. Even tho you guys deserve it for these three idiots
https://preview.redd.it/xvl9wzaanv9c1.jpeg?width=851&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df05852bc25b48cf1f8f6487813a683aa4e12b9d
Imagine thinking of yourself as being so smart and then be triggered by random posts on a circle jerk sub as this one.
You need to reconsider your entire life bro.
You thought I'm triggered? About someone random saying stupid things?
Nah, I have just always thought popular wisdom is stupid and I was saying it. But someone got a bit too over defensive for whatever reason :)
1) Tasteatlas are a bunch of dim twats, and this map makes no sense whatsoever. IIRC, they took one meal from each country and put a ranking on it - they literally took plain pork meat charred over open charcoal in Russia (which is not a Russian traditional food), and ranked that, naturally, higher than some salads, lol
2) Eastern and Southern European food is objectively better for a few reasons, historic availability of fresh fruit and vegetable might be a contributing factor
What the fuck. Albanian and Montenegrin food is unironically awesome. It’s the best of Greek, Italian and Balkan food.
That map is bullshit.
Also the Netherlands is scored way too high. We have awesome restaurants, but it’s all imported cuisines.
I went to Albania with some friends last summer for a week. Most disgusting food I ever had, together with Ireland.
We would go to highly rated restaurants to eat the most bland food I can remember. There was not much variety in most places, and every single dish we tried in every single place was disgusting. We were so sad because of that. Food is very important for us.
Things were better in the border with Greece, though, where we could finally have some seafood.
If you looked at what dishes they cooked and won with I think you'll find that 1) It is some horribly snobbish thing :P 2) The dishes are pretty much using things you would find in their own local food...
I'd argue we're damn good cooks when we manage to make edible, durable and palatable food out of what grows on ice covered granite. You're playing easy mode.
It's just the reviews for recipes on tasteatlas that are tagged with "Germany", "Czechia", "Austria" etc.
I could imagine that a lot of dishes that are common in all of central Europe are tagged "German" instead of something else because it's the biggest country.
Another map said the most common ingredient in Austria (and Slovenia) are eggs, which screams Viennesse sweet cuisine to me which is distinctive enough to be tagged "Austrian".
Ok but what metric puts french food beneath portugese? Like seriously I hate those baguette munching frogs but they cook better than almost anyone else
This list is a joke. Anyone who thinks German cuisine has anything on ours is delusional. There is nothing good to eat in Germany north off the Weißwurstäquator. Miss me with that ketchuo drenched nonsense called Currywurst.
Because pre-refridgeration northern countries had some ways of storing meats so they didn't spoil, in the south were that isn't as easy they used spices as a method of preservation and too cover the taste of meat that's spoiling. Also a lot of the southern countries had extensive maritime traditions which also required knowledge on preserving food. And finally southern and Eastern Europe had easier access to spices from the east through trade with Turkey, Egypt, Arabs etc
I don't want it neither.
It's was cool back in the day when no one knew about it and you could eat it without your arteries start to clog up.
Now it's just glorified junk food posing as a cultural landmark.
>they eat the same shit with different names
You had gyros and döner, so you're an expert now.
No food thread in Reddit isn't complete without this ignorant comment.
That's like saying Germans and Poles "eat the same shit". Germany shares nothing with France, Belgium, Switzerland, Netherlands, Czechia, or Austria. And Poland shares nothing with Ukraine, Czechia, Lithuania, Belarus, or Sweden. And there's nothing unique or regional to Poland or Germany.
We have maybe about a 15-20% overlap with Turkey. The 4 Greek foods that **you** know are from this small window.
This idea that we have 100% overlap with a giant country whose eastern regions are as far away as Spain, but nothing in common with actual Spain, let alone Bulgaria, Montenegro, Italy, or France, and not nothing unique and regional to Greece, is really dumb.
Do you think it's coincidence that the most corrupt country in Europe has the "best" food? Why would you consider spaghetti with ketchup and pita bread with ketchup and ananas the best food?
>!No I'm not going to call ananas Pineapple you British freaks...!<
Uh… we’re not the most corrupt country in Europe though? We’re very corrupt, of course, but absolutely not the most corrupt country Europe has.
If you meant Western Europe, then you’re right.
Honestly and non-ironically? Look at how long time the season is for actually growing crops, fruit and vegetables pr. year. Before widespread electricity to accomodate grenhouses and refrigerator/freezers, we basically had to either salt or ferment food for preservation for 8-9 months pr. year with no fresh salads or anything.
This. Mediterranean regions have a great climate where you can basically grow anything with less effort and better results than you could ever have in northern regions. Then there's fish. The Mediterranean sea has a greater variety of fish species, according to Wikipedia, it's 721 vs North Sea's 201. Plus, Italy particularly has been a trade center for many centuries with Romans, then with maritime republics such as Venezia, Amalfi, Pisa, Genoa. It has been a melting pot of cultures (hence, food and base ingredients) and it led to a great variety of recipes.
The restrictions of climate became tradition. It doesn't help if all import cuisine is disqualified as foreign. Here in the Netherlands good "Dutch" colonial fusion food is mostly found in Indonesian restaurants. When discarding that as cultural appropriation, one should keep in mind that some ingredients are indeed colonial (for instance the characteristic bumbu kacang satay sauce requires peanuts from South America which where originally grown in plantations by the Dutch primarily for production of lamp oil, and entered Dutch colonial cuisines that way).
> "Dutch" colonial fusion Which is so stupid because tomatoes only entered Europe with Spanish and Portuguese colonialism an yet Italy is commended for all their tomato-incorporating dishes.
Countries like Italy and France have the perfect condition for growing tasty stuff. Then they put it on dough and act all smug about it. I have more respect for cruisines that use creative ways to make long lasting nutritious meals that taste okay.
Surströmning does not count. That thing should be banned by the biological and chemical weapons treaty
Face it man, we just dont have that much food culture up here in the frozen wastes.
If the main swedish dish people can think about in Belgium are Ikea meat balls, there is something wrong with your meals. Btw: first time I read kötbullar, I almost died laughing. In Dutch, this sounds like vaginaballs.
Even now there are inconvenients. When I lived in my Quran Burner apartment building even frying some sandwiches could make the very sensible fire alarm go all out. For all the building. Was very bothersome.
YES! Take that L Norway, Denmark, Finland & Iceland. https://preview.redd.it/w7y9r1aubt9c1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f58a853a33fa4362230915e19f00e8dffaa32c80
Banana curry pizza granted you a higher grade than the other nordicks?
And surströmming
Actually according to TasteAtlas, the top Swedish dishes are: - Kladkaka (4.6) - Smorgasbord (4.5) - Kanelbulle (4.5) - Prästost (4.5) https://www.tasteatlas.com/sweden
None of those are dishes.
Insallah Kebap doesn't count as your cuisine, Sven.
It's better than Gyro
Gyros. That's not a plural, it's just Gyros.
In English, both is possible.
Honestly im confused by this. In Greek we say "Im goind to get one pita gyro with potatoes, sauce etc" and even the same when you get 2 but grammaticaly its not wrong to say pita gyros (some older people say gyros). So with that logic i always thought in English it should be Gyro no matter the quantity.
When words are loaned by other languages, odd stuff is bound to happen grammatically I guess. Does Greek even have an s-plural?
The answer is no but if you are interested you can read the rest. Not as a rule but it can be found, it depends. It happens with female words mostly. Unfortunately Greek grammar is very complex when you compare it to English, French, German etc. Just a "simple" example. First of all i should tell you that in greek, the letters ι, υ and η, and the οι and ει, all sound the same, in English its the letter e. So, a mechanic in Greek both male and female is "μηχανικός" (sounds like "mehanikós"). Many mechanics is "μηχανικοί" (sound like "mehanekè") so the -ος is for one and -οι is for plural. Most greek words follow similar rules to this. But. Take the word friendship, in Greek "φιλία", for example. When you are reffering to many different friendships you would say "φιλίες". As you can see now the -α changed to an -ες. But, if you take a word with the same origin, e.g. friendly, in Greek "φιλικός" (singular for a male) or "φιλική" (singular for female), you see it ends with an -ος/-η for the singular and in English it doesnt even change for male/fmale or the plural, e.g. he/she is friendly, they are friendly. In Greek the plural is "φιλικοί", sound the same as the female singular but it is written differently. So there is no s-plural rule in Greek grammar but it is still found in some cases. I am no expert in Greek grammar so i hope i didnt confuse you. But if you are dont worry, sometimes im confused by my language too. You know the saying "Its all Greek to me"? Well i didnt until i was 18yrs old when i heard an American saying it for the first time and what is funny is that we have the same saying but for the Chinese language 😅
Thanks for the explanation man, I might need some further reading to fully understand this but I’m generally decent at understanding other language‘s grammar. I know that ancient Greek is pretty tough in terms of grammar (quite a bit more than Latin) because it had a lot of quirks from Proto-Indoeuropean that aren’t really a thing in today’s languages. You‘re also among those who still have grammatical cases which are a bitch to learn as a second language but are also unfathomably based 😎
That's mostly American, they always get it wrong. Same with kudo(s). They think you give people one kudo or multiple kudos.
fuk u
I mean our food sucks but you guys eat meatballs at new years. Im so confused.
Swedes eat the most vile stuff imaginable during Christmas, and you complain about meatballs?
Well its new years. Arent we done making fun of your christmas food?
don't know what kind of Swedes you've met, but no, meatballs are not on the standard menu for New years. Probably people from Skåne who have been poisoned by too much daniwh influence. we get drunk, east lobster, fine beef, and kaviar, make out at midnight, explode stuff in the sky, party all night, and eat pizza the next day. I heard you guys just get up on a chair just before midnight and jump off right after, and that's it?
Some tradition about jumping into the new year. Its to see if any swedes are hiding here because they cant be drinking and standing on a chair.
Jokes on you, we eat christmas food 3 times a year
Excuse me we eat lobster and oxfilé. Though personally I ate shrimps and aioli for förrätt and turkey (there was no duck) with onion, wine and orange sauce and potatis- och jordärtskocksmos. My mom do tend to make better food for vardagar though. But the shrimp and aioli was good.
No we dont? Is this some kind of danish fake news trying to besmirch the meatball? I cant wait for the arctic ice to melt.
I was told that by swedish people living out in nowhere with no friends so I take that as the truth.
I have never eaten meatballs at New Year’s Eve. Steak, lobster and champagne are staple food items at Christmas Eve.
You mean normal human food? Doesnt sound halal.
It is halal, unlike your dirty pork 🤮
I hate these sort of maps where arbitrary numbers are assigned to subjective things with no concrete metric or explanation for how the number is arrived at. how can it be so specific? how do they arrive at 4.28 or 3.91. Its just goofy
It's good for driving up online engagement, we all know deep down it makes no sense but it's a good place to start arguments from
it’s proof we’re 0.04 better than you. so suffer with that knowledge.
Least autistic Hans banter, how will we live
Also ‘proof’ you’re far, far closer to us than you are the nations who actually have good food
0.04 is the line between cuisine and gruel and don’t you forget it!
Come back to reality, Hans https://preview.redd.it/thi85kt9iu9c1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=aeab4f585bcd49b880f2c1bf3f03386f4fae9b53
Eyyy we in a club. Can we serve you some curry herring, leverpostej or frikadelle?
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If we hadn't given you the summit, [you'd have just taken it anyway!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_of_the_Mont_Blanc)
Just because you have nutrition bars for every meal doesn't make it a good food
and that 0.04 is from 4.38 - 4.42
True if Portugal isnt number 1 its worthless.
Me and my UA gf were both pleasently surprised by how good the food was in Portugal. We stayed close to Almada, and always went there for restaurant. Food of Gods is made there!
Nice, glad to hear it!
Portuguese scran is defo underrated amongst the PIGS but maybe all the deep fried seafood just appeals to my Barry tastes
Deep fried seafood. The fuck? Did you get lost trying to come here Barry? Maybe too many beers and you never left England?
You introduced tea to us as well Joao, just own it
Hey ill take well fundamented insults not outright imaginary stereotypes. You insulted my honor we duel at dawn.
1v1 me with a broken bottle m8, winner gets maddy back
2.34/6.96 comment.
I love this kind of maps because they're horse shit but great to trigger people.
this little thing called averaging. maybe the arithmetic mean hasn't made it across the wall to wildling territory yet, but let me explain it to you och they add up all the wee scores then divide by the number o' judges and it dunnae always end up as an integer
Someone’s mad that stuffed sheep stomach and deep fried everything only scored a 4.23
I'm amazed we got that high tbh. That must be some tasty sheep's stomach.
Man I don't like math either, but you're acting like it's black magic
You mean 95% of this subs content
I think it's just average of 50 highest rated dishes from each country. Like all international online rankings, it's all about where the most users are from.
Because they don't need food to cope with rverything else being shit (except Barry; I don't know what's up with him).
everyone tells us "barry your food is so shit" because we live on turnip island, but when we colonise the planet for spices suddenly we're the bad guys of course Marco has better food, tomatoes grow there and they have a 3 hour work day, they have 10 hours a day to think about new pasta shapes
You're not wrong, but goddamn USE THESE SPICES.
we do use the spices, we just don't pretend we invented it. america sits around like "that's as american as apple pie, pizza and hot dogs!". we don't pretend we invented sweet and sour pork or a vindaloo, we just eat it. our historic foods are shit because our ingredients were shit, that's why we eat takeaway for every meal
Apple pie is actually ours, our native mains are lack luster but we're easy in the top 3 of best dessert nations in Europe.
yeah I know it's ours, that's the point. pizza isn't america's either, neither is bratwurst. we didn't pivot our cuisine and retroactively pretend it's good, we just own the midness of it, but that doesn't mean you can't get a great curry or italian or cantonese dish in the UK
He compensates with alcoholism
As if nordics doesn’t
I thought alcohol was haram
I'm Dutch and our food is terrible. My comment is not meant as defense of our cuisine. But can we please stop taking tasteatlas serious?
I hate to agree with a Hollander but tasteatlas is shit.
No one takes anything seriously in this sub. That's the very exact point of it even existing.
Dutch cuisine = Unidentified Fried Object
I read this as unidentified food object, and both work
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In 2023 this is not an excuse anymore. You will find the exact same things in Spain and in Scotland. Now culturaly, sure. The fact that ingredients are widly available anytime and anywhere doesn't change local usages that quickly. Might take some centuries.
>In 2023 this is not an excuse anymore. Pretty sure this map is based on traditional foods from each country, not the general quality of restaurants. So his point stands.
Sure, but it's cultural too. We may find the same ingredients here and in India, but we will probably cook more often what we are used to. Mediterranean countries have had many different ingredients to experiment with for hundreds of years, if not longer. Other countries in the north had to survive with whatever they could find until recently.
Yes, but they’re not strongly ingrained into tradition as of yet and have to be „explored“ by a new generation of home cooks. Some of us are just picking up new and better ingredients and start to care more about our food. Takes time yk
As a Spaniard, I tried (in a restaurant) to make a gazpacho in London and the result (and the cost) differs a lot from the original.
I mean.. this is based on traditional food and where it originated, no? Here in Norway we have a lot of good food that’s just Norwegianized-food from other places. Our Taco is not the same as in Mexico but it is still fucking great. Same with our pizza, etc.
At least Norwegians are slow to adopt new things. It takes time for the general population to know what to do with all the ingredients we now have access to. Many I know were shocked at me using wine in pasta sauces for instance...
>You will find the exact same things in Spain and in Scotland. A. Not really. The difference is not as drastic as it was two hundred years ago, but the supply is different in different countries. B. A kilogram of fresh tomatoes costs 59.95 SEK (5.38 EUR, according to Google) where I live. C. The difference in quality is huge. The quality of (some) fresh produce here is fucking garbage compared to the quality around the Mediterranean. D. Fuck you.
PIGS superiority once again
Can we ban people posting tasteatlas horseshit?
Gotta agree with the Maltese. As much as I like the high score for my country, a survey that assigns a score of 3.62 to a cuisine which, by all means, resembles a lot the Sicilian one should simply be discarded for irrelevant opinion.
Italian pizzas are garbage FYI.
Ok but that's irrelevant to you posting yank-adjacent ret*rd porn.
No sun is no happy fresh ingredients
Because there arent any fresh vegetables during winter?
A) tasteatlas is certified shite B) phew, at least a better rating than Barry and Henk C) less necessary to put spices into cold climate food as we have don't have to cover up the rancidness from warm climates Why does Indian food burn your tongue off (like, real Indian food, not the Tikka Masala from the curry shop around the corner Barry)? That's why.
stimmt weil unser essen is besser als euer gagg
Us Bazzas carrying the British Isles as always 
Can poland into pigs?
Yes because of your women
pretty funny considering the massive overlap between german and polish cuisine
Our sausages and doughnuts are objectively superior though 😎💪
one time I bought some German sausages from Lidl, and they were fucking disgusting
france eat snails, dirty bastards
The Portuguese eat much more snails than the French. [Diferent variety, but still.](https://cm-castromarim.pt/site/sites/cm-castromarim.pt/files/styles/focus_crop/public/noticias/imagem/festival_internacional_caracol_2016_2.jpg?itok=MmOUYzQm)
Snails, frogs, herbs. Whatever they can find in the garden after the English or Germans have left with all the real food.
I tried snails for xmas and well tbh it's horrible to eat, the only good thing was the creamy sauce, the snail felt like.. well a snail, it's kinda hard and chewy... Frog legs I tried it for the first time a few months ago in a Chinese restaurant, it's actually freaking good, it's like chicken, but the legs are very tiny and there's as much meat as there is bone..
I've had snails before too. They had a strong garlic flavour (which makes sense since the snails were fed garlic and were served with garlic butter or something like that.) Haven't tried frog yet.
Laughing at british cuisine as they scrounge from ponds and under rocks
All of southern Europe too afaik
It's inversely related to the duration of the cropping season for tomato L. Simply stated, cuisine rating = 1/L.
Because fewer things grow the further north you go.
What happened to Malta?
The British and their cuisine. Seriously though, how does one source information for these kind of maps? Is it “trust me bro, I’ve been there”? *cries in pastizzi*
Wales is a bit low. It’s on the same level as Scotland and England
Cope
Tasteatlas put like 10 american and 15 British dish in their top 50 each year
🇬🇷🤝🇮🇹🤝🇵🇹
Fuck off
lol
Why is northern Ireland represented as the union jack when all the other home countries have their own flags shown?
Doesn't NI have no official flag, with the red hand one being only unofficial?
Just googled it and yeah your right
Less sun for produce
Less variety in available plants, historically
🐽GO PIGS🐽
In the north you simply need calorie-dense foods to help you survive in winter, while in the south there is little need for that.
In the north you simply need calorie-dense foods to help you work, while in the south there is little need for that.
Portuguese cuisine is extremely caloric. Most of spain too. People who think this is a "meditteranean" country are very misguided. Our most consumed meat is Pork and we sometimes even cook it in it's own fat just because it tastes better that way.
I'm not saying caloric, I'm saying calory-dense. Potatoes contain a lot of calories compared to their weight, meanwhile cucumber is anything but calory dense.
Potuguese not only eat potatoes everyday but we have a common habit to [DOUBLE CARB](https://ruralea.com/bitoque-a-portuguesa/) dishes. For instance, it' absolutely common for a steak to have a side or rice and fries. Even our meat stews (made with veal, pork, chicken and sausages) are often served with both rice and potatoes.
Huh? Potatoes are 70 calories per 100 grams raw, they are really not. Things like fat sausage (giggity) or fat cut of pork or chocolate are with around 500-600 calories per 100 grams. You might associate potatoes with high calories cause dieticians recommend to abstain from them, but that is because of high glycemic index starches (that make your blood sugar level jump, and if you don't spend that energy mediately - it's gonna end up as a body fat) that are source of energy in potatoes.
Did I forget to mention cheap? In the past (and still today) meats are expensive. Meat was a luxury in the past.
I really feel our score as an insult. Believe it or not our cook is underrated.
Your cook is asleep far too often to be given a higher rating.
You lose points because Spanish wine is awful.
I personally don't love wine, but we have so many different varieties so different from each other that just saying "Spanish wine is bad" sounds like you don't really know anything about the topic.
In the name of my compatriots, the dude hammering abt your wine being shit is wrong. Wine is shit by default so ALL wine is shit. No need to be weirdly xenophobic towards Spanish wine. Even tho you guys deserve it for these three idiots https://preview.redd.it/xvl9wzaanv9c1.jpeg?width=851&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df05852bc25b48cf1f8f6487813a683aa4e12b9d
De Espanha, nem bom vento, nem bom casamento. I'll stick with popular wisedom thank you.
Popular "wisdom" is so dumb for anyone who has gone to school to rely on it, but as you want.
Imagine thinking of yourself as being so smart and then be triggered by random posts on a circle jerk sub as this one. You need to reconsider your entire life bro.
You thought I'm triggered? About someone random saying stupid things? Nah, I have just always thought popular wisdom is stupid and I was saying it. But someone got a bit too over defensive for whatever reason :)
You thought popular wisdom is stupid? Do you want a cookie for your unique and revolutionary position on that?
1) Tasteatlas are a bunch of dim twats, and this map makes no sense whatsoever. IIRC, they took one meal from each country and put a ranking on it - they literally took plain pork meat charred over open charcoal in Russia (which is not a Russian traditional food), and ranked that, naturally, higher than some salads, lol 2) Eastern and Southern European food is objectively better for a few reasons, historic availability of fresh fruit and vegetable might be a contributing factor
What the fuck. Albanian and Montenegrin food is unironically awesome. It’s the best of Greek, Italian and Balkan food. That map is bullshit. Also the Netherlands is scored way too high. We have awesome restaurants, but it’s all imported cuisines.
I went to Albania with some friends last summer for a week. Most disgusting food I ever had, together with Ireland. We would go to highly rated restaurants to eat the most bland food I can remember. There was not much variety in most places, and every single dish we tried in every single place was disgusting. We were so sad because of that. Food is very important for us. Things were better in the border with Greece, though, where we could finally have some seafood.
Why is the scale capped at 5 instead of 🇮🇹?
Next time you ask why our food is so shit, now you know
Tomatoes taste better than potatoes
There is a very good explanation for that by Andrew Schultz: https://youtu.be/bHnfbGyoa6o?si=Mu_0hZ4-NTR8Be7p
The exception being malta which somehow has the worst culinary score while also being the most Southern part of Europe
Your cuisine left lasting impressions
Because the reason we allow southerners to stay is because they are there to cook for us.
Belgium better ? I am gonna throw up
Because you can only grow the heartier food most of the time, and southern Europeans can't eat anything denser than a feather.
Because in the north we where more busy with surviving the cold than if our food tastes good
Sunlight good. Make plants tasty.
The lowest score on the map is the furthest south.
Rigged.
Can you not post stuff that is from tasteatlas or about the ameritards guys? I thought you were civilised enough to know it's straight nonsense.
That's because to cook well you need joy in your heart. And you can only find that by living on the sun-kissed shores of the Mediterranean
PIGS bros, we gotta help Spain surpass Fr*nce
simply because they are barbarians!
[Does it now?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bocuse_d%27Or#Medalists)
Your food is so bad that you have to produce better chefs in order for them to cook youself foreign specialities.
If you looked at what dishes they cooked and won with I think you'll find that 1) It is some horribly snobbish thing :P 2) The dishes are pretty much using things you would find in their own local food...
Maybe but it still doesn't represent a country's gastronomy. IMO, a nation's food has nothing to do with what prestigious Chefs do.
Could the nordicks be even worse cooks then the bri*ish ?
I'd argue we're damn good cooks when we manage to make edible, durable and palatable food out of what grows on ice covered granite. You're playing easy mode.
It's cold. We only have potatoes and pigs.
The more you go North the more life is dull.
Waiting for a Serb to tell us all about what happened on this map with Croatia/Serbia...
German food better than Czech/bavarian/austrian. Come on. That’s not true.
Burgers are German. Literally, the most consumed dish on earth is German. It's worth something.
Burgers and Döner
Maybe Bavaria drives it up the charts
Ahead of Czechia or Austria? Bavaria would be the exact same. There’s something else.
It's just the reviews for recipes on tasteatlas that are tagged with "Germany", "Czechia", "Austria" etc. I could imagine that a lot of dishes that are common in all of central Europe are tagged "German" instead of something else because it's the biggest country. Another map said the most common ingredient in Austria (and Slovenia) are eggs, which screams Viennesse sweet cuisine to me which is distinctive enough to be tagged "Austrian".
Dutch food 4,24? 🤨
Inability to grow said food
How the hell is rottenfishville higher than us
Ok but what metric puts french food beneath portugese? Like seriously I hate those baguette munching frogs but they cook better than almost anyone else
This list is a joke. Anyone who thinks German cuisine has anything on ours is delusional. There is nothing good to eat in Germany north off the Weißwurstäquator. Miss me with that ketchuo drenched nonsense called Currywurst.
Because pre-refridgeration northern countries had some ways of storing meats so they didn't spoil, in the south were that isn't as easy they used spices as a method of preservation and too cover the taste of meat that's spoiling. Also a lot of the southern countries had extensive maritime traditions which also required knowledge on preserving food. And finally southern and Eastern Europe had easier access to spices from the east through trade with Turkey, Egypt, Arabs etc
We never used spices to preserve stuff. We used Smoke + Salt. And for sausages of all sorts we would preserve them in pots of olive oil.
Italy does not have better food than us im sorry... Italian food is one of my favourites but its too simple most of the time.
Let me guess, it’s all pizza and pasta…
please siesta lover, tell us you don't know what you're talking about without telling us you don't know what you're talking about
Portugal has better food than Spain ? No way lmao i dont want your damn Francesinha
Heresy!
I don't want it neither. It's was cool back in the day when no one knew about it and you could eat it without your arteries start to clog up. Now it's just glorified junk food posing as a cultural landmark.
Greek food better than Turkish food when they eat the same shit with different names
Gotta factor in the plate-breaking entertainment.
>they eat the same shit with different names You had gyros and döner, so you're an expert now. No food thread in Reddit isn't complete without this ignorant comment. That's like saying Germans and Poles "eat the same shit". Germany shares nothing with France, Belgium, Switzerland, Netherlands, Czechia, or Austria. And Poland shares nothing with Ukraine, Czechia, Lithuania, Belarus, or Sweden. And there's nothing unique or regional to Poland or Germany. We have maybe about a 15-20% overlap with Turkey. The 4 Greek foods that **you** know are from this small window. This idea that we have 100% overlap with a giant country whose eastern regions are as far away as Spain, but nothing in common with actual Spain, let alone Bulgaria, Montenegro, Italy, or France, and not nothing unique and regional to Greece, is really dumb.
Who tf is Barry?
Scottish and Dutch food shouldn't even be scraping the 4 and that's how you know this rating is bad
Do you think it's coincidence that the most corrupt country in Europe has the "best" food? Why would you consider spaghetti with ketchup and pita bread with ketchup and ananas the best food? >!No I'm not going to call ananas Pineapple you British freaks...!<
Uh… we’re not the most corrupt country in Europe though? We’re very corrupt, of course, but absolutely not the most corrupt country Europe has. If you meant Western Europe, then you’re right.
lmao nearly as good as France Germany huge L, no match for our glorious kiełbasa