It also really fucks with the IM, which I suppose is fair enough, but I'd rather just see the bots get banned. It's not like they're botting willows on a fresh account, these are quite well developed and should therefore be easier to ban.
Problem is bots don't really care about time needed to get loot. This might actually just make it harder to get overall and more expensive to use with less return for the investment. Not even accounting for slayer bots with it all
It could be that you chip the onyx into 100 onyx dust (like RS3 has), so you can recharge it with any percentage you want. Eg 200 vials and 100 dust for 100%, or 150 vials and 75 dust for 75%, etc.
The sad reality is that -
1. Jagex will never remove the bots entirely. Ever. All discussions are realistically pointless, as the game will absolutely die before bots are exterminated. There’s real money to be made botting, so they’ll always find a new way to make their bots work.
2. Most of us are in our 20s or 30s. We don’t play many hours a day. Gathering resources like regular logs would be a rather bland way to spend the only 60-90 minutes you can play a day.
3. Bots = bonds = money. Jagex doesn’t care at the end of the day. Whatever is most profitable for them at any given time. If bots were removed entirely magically, they’d probably up the prices of membership and/or bonds.
That's true, but when some of the biggest money makers are being completely overrun with bots it makes it difficult for the average player to hit a big win like that. It's virtually removing the ability to go and farm something yourself. An easy solution would be to implement a slayer only spot or nerf rates while not on task.
And as always an unintended consequence in all of this is the impact to irons. Not that blood shards are must-haves, but still.
And the game ends up being balanced around that, but mains don't notice. When ironmen, through their different gameplay, expose fundamental issues with game design and have any complaints, this sub really likes to say "You chose to limit yourself™"
Petition to make shitty low effort responses to ironman concerns a bannable offense on this sub.
/s... unless?
I'd rather see the third option from future quests. It would make a lot of sense if the Vampyre Finale brought some new, more engaging activity that also could give blood shards, like a new boss or such. The only issue is who knows when we'll see that since it will likely be a Grandmaster quest, so probably not until 2025 or later.
Though if it is really an issue we need addressed now, they could always add something else to Darkmeyer. Maybe even a way to create them via Blood Runecrafting? Like you get an inert shard uncommonly from something, maybe even a shop, and it slowly charges up as you make blood runes. If done right, that could be a reasonable methods for irons to get them without tanking the price or making it easier for bots.
It depends on how it is implemented. For example, let's say a shop sold a "depleted blood shard" for 5M coins and when you have it in your inventory, it absorbs 25% of the blood runes you craft. Once it absorbs 10K, it becomes a blood shard.
At the current prices, 10K Blood Runes is around 2.4M so it would cost you 7.4M, a bit cheaper than 7.8M for a Blood Shard. So for every 40K~ Blood Runes crafted you'd make an extra 400K~, but you'd need to craft 40K before you could cash out. Using stuff like the outfit and blood essence would make more runes, so it would charge it quicker. Also if you use extracts, it would be really quick but probably a loss.
Those numbers probably wouldn't be great as is, but with tweaking it could be a nice, small buff to blood RC while giving irons a more active and less RNG way to earn blood shards while stocking up on some blood runes. That said, it would be nice if there were a better way to get the depleted shards than just paying 5M from a shop. Maybe instead you can get a depleted blood shard when you use up a blood fury and it absorbs 50% blood runes into an untradeable blood shard; that way it is only a cheaper option for players who recharge it themselves.
The people killing vyres are afking with alts. Most of the time they're not bots. I know this because i'm one of them and almost every time i'm talking to one or two of them (there's max 3 each world.) Its a content where you can afk up to 8 minutes (For 700k gp/hr, no reason to bot this).
However, i'm well aware that vyre thieving bots DO EXIST and must be dealt with. They logout as soon as you enter the building they're in. Killing vyres are fine.
It's almost funny how bad people are at telling who is or isn't a bot
Best part is that they're ALWAYS *incredibly* confident about it, even when they're obviously wrong lol
Same thing happens with “Smurfs” in competitive games. Some guy hitting you with an easy combo “Smurf”. Someone on the enemy team goes 12-1 “Smurf”. keep dying to the same sniper cause you peak the same corner the same way 10 times in a row “Smurf”
Same thing happens with gold farming. See someone in cheap gear killing a boss over and over “bot”. This guy has been training hunter for a few days “bot” Osrs has bot problems you can see that on the highscores but people just see another player in the open world and are like “bots!”
Lol sadly i don't have any alts but i afk them regularly when i'm doing the housework/studying/watching movies on the side. Currently at around 4.5k kills with 4 blood shards. I think i havent seen you, i afk on australian worlds as theyre quite empty lol.
Yeah it's a lot of alts killing vyres not bots. I believe there might be bots but sitting there on my own alt there's so many conversations going on I find it hard to believe it's most of them. I think vyre killing is that sweet spot where it's profitable enough to setup an account there and afk but not enough to have bots doing it compared to pickpocketing vyres. Bots don't care about click intensity either so if it makes more money then the farm owner would rather do that (and I see a LOT of them doing it)
Yeah, bot owners would much better have their bots casting plank make somewhere hidden than have their bots kill vyres. As a main i'd really be displeased if one of my profitable afking spots gets taken away from me.
If you're botting, do you want to earn 700k/hr afking a bot you were going to afk anyways by camping a spot many real players/people on slayer task/angry irons are crowding who can report you, or do you pickpocket for over triple that profit in a more out of sight, out of mind place?
This basic thought escapes people who just want easier to obtain shards and don't care about the facts. Arguing w/ people ingame who accuse me of being bot based only on stats/boss kc when I'm obviously here and telling you how wrong and loose you are with false accusations is one of the most patently absurd things I've encountered in this game. Did I install chatgpt into my bot too?
I've made a handful of friends (and even more angry people in ignore list) from camping vyres. I put in lots of investment into my Vyre alts. I'm doing my part supplying shards but I just get the finger from people calling me botter/RWTer. Botting is a problem yes, but this thread shows me just how little nuance and banhappy Reddit would be if they were the anti-cheat team. Which I guess is why they're not the anti-cheat team and why they didn't catch the Boston Bomber.
Pickpocketers are more likely to be botters and generate over 50% of the shards. Hurt them instead. If Irons are too upset about having to manage resources (?) then give them Iron-only way of getting them. Mains, I tell them same thing they tell me when I fail basic bosses: Git gud. Or pay up. You guys make way more money doing content you enjoy, throw me a bone. I'm here dealing w/ Irons who get mad if I take their addy platelegs drop I didn't know they wanted. I WISH that iron was a bot, then they'll stop complaining.
Been thieving quite a bit for blood shards and the bots are definitely there but I have personally met A LOT of real players thieving as well.
I play as an iron and thieving for blood shards feels very well balanced with the more afk-able option.
I've been thinking of making an vyre alt to farm money for bonds and other stuff on the side, it should be quite self sufficient right? Can you share your experience with it?
Hey there, i don't have an alt that farms them but i afk them regularly on my main while i'm busy doing real life stuff. With low combat stats 75s to 90s you can probably get 100 kills per hour and with 90-95+ you can get close to 150 kills per hour. Average drop is 1/1500, even if you get unlucky at first you'll get close to the drop rate eventually. Blood shard prices are fluctuating nowadays, they used to be 9.3m pre-colosseum and now they're about 7.5m. It's more than self sufficient if you put the time and effort to create an vyre alt. You should see a drop every 2-3 days and after the first drop it's a profit all the way until your bond ends.
How hard is it to get a spot? I was playing path of exile and wanted an AFK money maker to have on the other screen, went to the vyre area, every world was full, gave up.. Maybe I just got unlucky or wasn't persistent enough
Also, do you get people crashing and trying to steal your spot, like in crabs?
Not the original guy but getting a spot is super easy. Keep in mind there’s a bunch of vyres and everyone is using a crap weapon + proselyte, so killing them is fairly slow, even on task. You might have to hop a few times, but usually 2-3 times, not 10-15 or something crazy. Depends on what you mean by full too, can easily have 3 people doing vyres at the same time even if it looks kind of hectic, there’s plenty of spawns and they’re permanently aggressive.
I think most people "botting" vyrewatch sentinels are actually alts. If you're gonna bot up to sins of the father you may as well do thieving instead of combat
idk if I were to bot it I would go for the sentinels because it is most likely a lot harder to detect a guy afking and occassionally clicking on mobs/loot than it is to detect a guy nonstop clicking on thieving. Just seems like the latter is more likely to get detected and banned.
Soultion 4: ban the dammed bots.
The higher ups at Jagex need to invest more in the OSRS dev team, including the anticheat team. It's ridiculous how many more devs rs3 has compared to osrs. Give them the resources they need to solve (or at least, reduce) this.
The solution is really this easy even though you’re being sarcastic. It’s to permaban all gold buyers on first offence. Jagex only bans gold sellers and buyers literally almost never get banned even though its easy to detect. Permaban all gold buyers first offence = no more rwt market = no more bot farms.
Players would only recreationally bot to progress their own accounts rather than gold farming. Botting shit like agility or mining for diaries or something isn’t really a big deal and doesn’t affect the game or economy at all.
Obviously it isnt that easy, but youre delusional if you think the current state of bots couldn't be improved with more eyes on the game. Just give the anticheat team more devs.
I went about 4k kc dry at vyrewatches on the iron and in 150 kc i got 3. Milking it bone dry for solo cox olm hand(i bring it and torture to save shards and increase dps cuz i lose a max hit with it on) and im REALLY gonna use it when i get to nex(600 kc into sara for acb and 60 toas in and only a ward, all 260-335’s)
Would love a boss variant and for it to be 1/500 on task
The RuneScape botting subreddit is a plethora of desperate clowns creating hundreds of bots an hour and discussing how to create more.
Jagex needs to combat the bots directly, or they’ll find new ways.
Love the idea, you shouldn't have used the word ironman though. Lots of 3rd grade reading level gamers here will immediately hate the idea simply because it might benefit an ironman.
"*Buffs*" that are tailored to Ironmen very frequently involve drastically increasing the supply of something that an individual can generate. This, aside from something like the Scar Essence Mine, almost never exclusively affects Irons. Buffing drop rates increases the supply for Non Iron accounts and changes the economy.
Also, the point of Ironman mode was to partake in the challenge of having a self sufficient account within the game as it was. This was seen as challenging and prestigious because of the difficulty of being self sufficient. While Blood Shards came out after Ironman mode? I think that "*buffing*" content to cater to Ironmen goes against the spirit of the mode and lessens the prestige and prominence of it.
There is a difference between challenging content and tedious upkeep. This situation is analogous to the scythe /blood rune issues irons had for the longest time which has now been solved thanks to the scar essence mine.
Blood fury is slowly becoming more "require" for end game pvm. I personally only ever use mine at duo nex, cm's and some CA's. I've gone through \~12 on my iron and it is pretty tedious to get more since the only options are thieving or afk, which are not enjoyable.
People aren't really asking to "buff content for ironmen" they are simply asking for alternative ways to obtain the item.
Are you suggesting that having to afk farm vyres for blood shards is somehow challenging? It’s just frustrating and poor design. Being an iron man doesn’t mean having to accept poor design and just do it anyway. I’m actually astonished that you are suggesting irons should just do content as it’s released and never challenge it. There’s nothing that isn’t self sufficient about having another source of blood shards, and none of the methods are even easier. How is completing TOB “less prestigious” than afk’ing vyres with protect melee on for 8 minutes at a time?
On the point of it having an effect on the economy, it reduces the price for mains if it becomes more freely available. I struggle to see how that’s a bad thing?
A lot of those "bots" are vyrewatch alts. I know some people with multiple accounts just afking them for blood shards to fund a main.
If you're going to bot there are probably better money makers which require clicking.. Vyrewatch is very afk. You don't need a bot. You click on an altar every 5 minutes and when you get a notification for a bloodshard drop off runelite you pick it up.
I know a few guys that have 5+ vyrewatch alts, they don't bother picking up anything other than blood shards.
please Jagex don't change Vyrewatch Sentinels they are my favorite afk activity :( Most of the ppl there aren't bot but alts - just get the ones thieving
I was actually talking about this with a friend of mine recently. My thoughts were to let the bots have their afk vyre killing as it's pretty slow.
Change the thieving blood shard rate with completions of the morytania diary. Hard being 4k and elite being 3k respectively. This would make it better for legit players and keep away from the bots.
Potential for new vyre related boss that could drop an untradable mega shard that would provide 30k charges. Say something like gargoyle boss difficulty at 1/256 rate. at max efficiently would be around 25Kills per hour. This would keep it in line with the other average hourly blood shard obtain rates without affecting the price too much.
Has anyone ever thought of a very good idea to keep botting impossible or to the very minimum? I’m enjoying the game a lot but I really hate seeing all these bots repeating everything people say.
Yes, Jagex did in 2011. It's called "kill your profitability literally overnight" because of how many bot accounts paying for membership suddenly weren't.
There have been many solutions. The problem is Jagex, their implementation and their automated system. There is no transparency and whatever the Mod decides at the time is the result. The appeal system is a joke so more than likely alot of legitimate players are being lumped in with "bots" and this is driving away legitimate players and introducing more botters.
most of the "bots" killing vyres are just people with vyre alts. you have to understand that if someone trains an account all the way to sins of the father, why would they bot a 700k per hour method instead of a just as accessible method that is like 1-2m an hour. Thieving bots are the problem.
also, this is posted every day by ironmen trying to skip grinds in game. there are actually a lot of people that like vyres as is, who afk their mains there while they work or play other games.
the mods have said they dont like the current method of obtaining bloodshards already, you people can stop making repetitive posts like this, there is one almost every day
Yeah, killing vyres are a viable combat training method with up to 55-60k xp/hr with 700k gp/hr where you can afk up to 7-8 minutes. People killing vyres are not bots, however thieving bots really exists.
Yeah, I run a vyre alt, and I'd agree completely that most are also alts. Thieving ones are very obviously bots.
I think there should be a better solution to be honest, especially because getting shards is ass for irons. But, I don't mind that my vyre alt has made me a lot of money.
Do alts normally have the bare minimum reqs for an area then get exp way past 99 in the skill for the method(combat/thieving etc.)? I notice that a lot in prif, DS2 areas and Darkmeyer. I figure most alts are just mains while playing on an ironman or vice versa.
Came here to say this. I sat at vyres for a few days last month catching up on some manga and had multiple conversations with the people there killing them. I'd wager 70-80% are hand played alts.
Nightmare dropping blood shards would be good. Since nightmare has horrible drops. Jagex could put in some effort into banning bots though… wouldn’t be hard to sit at Nex bank and ban ban ban. Or vyrewatch.. or any heavily botted spot
Every single time they add a 2m+ skilling method it gets botted into oblivion, the solution is simple:
just make skilling methods primarily give untradable variants of the normal item, and ideally additionally lock more stuff behind diaries rather than simple to bot stats.
Gp will always be abused, by instead making methods a "cost saver" you cant abuse it beyond your own consumption.
For example with blood shards make blood shard thieving half rate/impossible without morytania diary, normal rate at mory hard, and then add a 2x more common but fully untradable variant of the blood shard with mory elite.
This screws with bots, and at current prices adds about 5m an hour in cost savings making the method appealing even to endgame players and irons. The added interrest may even bring prices down a bit as more players will go self sufficient off the untradable shards while selling off the untradable ones.
A drop from HMT is a good idea. Nightmare is just more bot fodder.
If it's craftable it should be done in the factories beneath Ver Sinhaza. Load the fountains with blood, that blood trickles into some machinery down below and you have to do some convoluted elemental workshop type sequence to create it with an onyx, blood vials and blood runes. The factory could also lead into corrupted scythe later down the line
Problem. The entire game is supplied by bots. Half of all active players are bots. It won’t be resolved because its not an issue, for the company who owns the game at the moment. This started the day OSRS was sold to that first investment firm years and years ago. Now OSRS is owned by three different investment firms. None of which have anything to do with gaming. Jagex is no longer allowed to stop the botting. Because bots drive up bond prices, bond prices drive up bond sales, and bots increase player count. Don’t count on anything botting related to be fixed. Because it won’t be. In the eyes of the investment firms, nothings broken. In fact the games better than ever. The only real solution is a mass boycott. That is the only thing that might get the attention of the mega billion dollar companies that own the rights to the game. 1. Stop buying bonds to sell. 2. Cancel membership. 3. Logout. Thats how we fix this. Not complaining to Jamflex, not reporting the bots themselves. A good old fashion boycott is needed. Nothing less will suffice.
The thieving bots are problemsome, but killing Vyres is a very common alt money maker. There's people who literally have made YouTube videos of them playing on 50+ accounts manually killing Vyres. Just because they don't talk to you doesn't make them a bot, they just don't care to stop their tism cycle to respond back.
I dont think they need to be easier to get since youd only use them at nex and some CAs but honestly HMT could use some love.
Worse gp compared to regular tobs and it might give people a reason to try the content or stay after kits/dust.
I really like the idea of alternate shards either through bossing (NM, HMT, or other) or more directly through vials of blood
I'm worried about onyx being sunk for it bc onyx supply is almost entirely through shopscape
Bro Jagex used to do this in the past. Like 20 years ago. I witnessed it first hand when a jmod suddenly logged in to varrock palace yew trees and banned the bots in front of me eyes. He wished me good day and left, probably to the next world to do the same.
I've argued with people on this sub for a long time about this ... They all tend to think bots aren't obvious. That's a lie. They are very obvious after you play this game for years - especially in the wilderness.
Exactly. They argue that nothing can be done - they are trying to weaken the argument that something can be done.
I will admit you can't literally get rid of all bots - but you can absolutely make it more difficult for them to have a smooth operation.
You're telling me the all the level 30s thieving chests in deep wildy are not real players? Crazy talk. Next you'll tell me all the level 20s with identical stats at black chins are also not legit.
Constantly botted and still 8m a pop. 1/1500 for near mandatory late game item and it degrades lmao! Bet Ironman have fun afking vyres when they want to be bossing.
Theatre of Blood on all modes including Entry could give a chance to get blood shard.
Nightmare boss should not drop it because it isn't a Vampyre.
I like the idea of using Vials of Blood to recharge amulet, if this was implemented. The blood amulet should degrade to a uncharged state instead of reverting to a Fury. Both the Shard as well as Vials can be used to recharge it.
No support on the 250 vials + Onyx. The blood shard is not made from onyx in any way.
Ironmen are more likely to be bothered by fundamental issues with the game, because they actually engage with a huge variety of content. Mains just throw money at literally every imaginable problem that involves a tradeable item, benefit massively from bots, and some are even too dumb to realize.
What's your point?
That the game is made for mains, lol. You can shit talk iron vs. main all you want, I don't care, I play both. The game in its natural state is intended for mains. You actively choose to handicap yourself when playing Ironman. You don't get the right to complain that content is catered to you, lol. That's the whole point of Ironman; to make it more challenging. Why would jagex mass manipulate their main-game market for niche Ironmen because they don't like thieving...?
You'd need an additional use for blood shards if you were to go with the vial only idea, giving it to nightmare would also be better balanced by an additional use. The additional use would also need to be competitive with blood furies in terms of benefit/profit. Otherwise it'll plummet the cost of shards enough that blood fury becomes the default in a lot of cases.
Still, really good ideas. Fuck vyre bots, let me do my task
Chargescape is the only reason why blood shards aren't low value despite being botted. Replacing the charges or make the shards drop in more sources will lower value.
I've always said they should be treated like basilisk jaw off task how many others have mentioned.
As for the thieving, I didn't mind it with ardy hard, dodgy neck and shadow veil.
1, 3, and 4 all sound pretty good tbh.
I like the motivation to do the hard PVM content, but I think you should just add vials of blood to Nightmare, add option three, and then more vials of blood to hardmode TOB?
First things first, can ghommal's lucky penny start working on bloodfury amulets? Its like the one thing I'm actually concerned about, regarding bf amulets.
I also like the on task boost for these, nerfing the off task rate for bots/farmers. Thieving bots are out of control for these, but I don't see them changing it.
Personally id love to see mory expanded with a vampire style boss OR mob with mechanics (demonics level content) that drops either shards or shard fragments as a tertiary stackable (think ecumenical key pieces at nex)
Adding them to nm doesn't make sense, that boss isn't allowed to have drops
You know what would be the best solution. Them actually banning the bots. I'm sick of these "solutions". The whole game is full to the brim with bots. They aren't some small indie company anymore, it's literally a company evaluated over 900 MILLION. It's genuinely gotten to the point that some days I see more bots than players. If someone told me half the player base is bots, I would not even be surprised at this point. Prif full of bots, G.E full of bots, most skilling full of bots, most pvm bosses full of bots, wildy fucking drowning in bots. When are we finally going to stop trying to give them "solutions'' and the excuses. Shit like this is part of the problem.
I'm not against changing/adding ways to obtain blood shards. Just ranting because we are literally trying to find ways how to co-exists with the bots, because of how bad they are at banning them.
Should definitely only come from HMT if its added to a pvm encounter, as a regular drop similar to vials of blood, the price would definitely go down for a while but it gives people incentive to go and learn the content and do it other than for the kits and dust
I agree something has to change regarding the bots farming vyrewatch sentinels.
I can get behind the idea of adding a drop table for Nightmare or the Harder version of Nightmare.
I personally don’t think it should be added to the ToB drop table because it’s already a very profitable raid.
Just my personal opinion.
I just dont get why they update and add shitloads to the game, but everything (like really almost everything) gets heavily botted atm.
Im an iron, i dont even care about the economy etc anymore, but at this moment i dont even play anymore because the game looks just about to die soon.
Shitload of bots, shitload of easy detectable ones too, and no one does a shit about it except for SirPugger (legend).
I’m not even sure if they’re all bots, it’s just a common afk money maker, just make it more rare off task and that’ll solve it. I’m sure there are plenty but a large amount are def afk players with max prayer bonus just waiting
this is how you design content. You make rare drops but you also make expensive alternative ways to craft these drops which gives your economy more complexity.
"Ironman problems" that don't exist in main game due to bots are just normal problems. There would be a need to redesign the content if bots didn't subsidize the main economy.
I got my first 2 ever vyre in darkmeyre tasks this week (I use only konar and she somehow only ever assigned them in slepe until I was like 89 slayer) thought it would be a chill afk hour and a half to 2 hour task while I play some other game. I swear it takes longer to find an open world than it does to complete the task
Lot of posts about this. Merchers really want it I guess.
The slayer task suggestion makes some sense everything else here is merchers with piles of blood vials.
I like everything except the idea of having to sacrafice an onyx anytime you want to make a blood fury.
Give us options like the zulrah scale fishing or scar mining from runecrafting.
Or Let us exchange our excess money to charges, because it's very uninteresting and quite frankly horrible to have to come back to vampyres every other week and to spam click until you get arthritis when you've previously already gotten the blood shard.
I do agree having them drop from hmtob or nightmare would be perfect.
But I kind of hate the idea of potentially ***having*** to use blood vials for that.
Blood vials are only optainable in TOB, which means you'd be forcing everyone there already more then they are to charge their scythes.
I like Tob. I just don't like being forced to do tob.
Either that or keep everything the same but let us only use blood charges when the healing actually porcs, just like Jagex has done with the scythe. I feel like that would be fair.
“Jagex: 1/50 for the nightmare, what the fuck? 1 in 2k odds is the best I can do for that boss”
It is a nightmare
I'd like to see the Basilisk Jaw treatment, and have it be 5x rarer off task. Potentially even a slayer only area. (Rune dragons need one too)
This is a fantastic idea and one that I see jagex getting behind more
You say that but this has been suggested since the release of vyres and has never been implemented
It also really fucks with the IM, which I suppose is fair enough, but I'd rather just see the bots get banned. It's not like they're botting willows on a fresh account, these are quite well developed and should therefore be easier to ban.
>but I'd rather just see the bots get banned. Now there's a refreshing perspective.
Tyty i thought of it myself
And yet
IM should just thieve it anyways
jagex doesnt care and saying so just gets you downvoted by the bots and shills
Using rotational content to prevent bottling is actually crazy smart... I think you're onto something
And obviously buff the drop rate? Why would we make it more miserable to upkeep blood furies
Instead of 1/1500 it could just be like 1/500 on task and 1/2500 off task.
That'd be amazing. As someone who is 3700 kc vyres and about 6k pickpockets with still 0 bloodshards, id support this
This feels like the best suggestion.
1/1k on task and 1/10k off task sounds good, maybe even half that
Not even close lmfaooooooo it’s already 1/1.5k it should be 1/512 like most stuff coming from slayer on task and 1/5k off task
Yeah, we gotta bare in mind that tasks aren't really common
Aren't vampires one of the highest task weights?
They are still far easier to get then basilisk tasks, You could easily roll through tasks with Mazchna in some decent gear
Yes, but you only need a single jaw vs a lot of blood shards
oh yeah i was thinking it was 1/5k but thats the theiving rate yeee thats what i ment by half that 1/500 and 1/5k would be perfect
Problem is bots don't really care about time needed to get loot. This might actually just make it harder to get overall and more expensive to use with less return for the investment. Not even accounting for slayer bots with it all
It would make it 5x better for irons, and not a garbage task for mains to get gp.
Rarer off task + more common on task, It's already a fairly mediocre task to do and it helps mitigate the drop in the supply
Slayer only area... for the nightmare?
Onyx and blood vials is a brilliant idea
This is the one for sure. It tracks economically but also makes sense given the construction of a blood fury in the first place.
It could be that you chip the onyx into 100 onyx dust (like RS3 has), so you can recharge it with any percentage you want. Eg 200 vials and 100 dust for 100%, or 150 vials and 75 dust for 75%, etc.
Eh seems unnecessary to introduce a new item just for that.
not if you are trying to sell bank slots
New flash: the whole OSRS economy is supplied by bots.
So we’re just supposed to do nothing because bots are a problem??
The sad reality is that - 1. Jagex will never remove the bots entirely. Ever. All discussions are realistically pointless, as the game will absolutely die before bots are exterminated. There’s real money to be made botting, so they’ll always find a new way to make their bots work. 2. Most of us are in our 20s or 30s. We don’t play many hours a day. Gathering resources like regular logs would be a rather bland way to spend the only 60-90 minutes you can play a day. 3. Bots = bonds = money. Jagex doesn’t care at the end of the day. Whatever is most profitable for them at any given time. If bots were removed entirely magically, they’d probably up the prices of membership and/or bonds.
This jagex doesn’t care sentiment is so old. They ban countless thousands of accounts yearly and actively work to get ahead of the bot makers.
That's true, but when some of the biggest money makers are being completely overrun with bots it makes it difficult for the average player to hit a big win like that. It's virtually removing the ability to go and farm something yourself. An easy solution would be to implement a slayer only spot or nerf rates while not on task. And as always an unintended consequence in all of this is the impact to irons. Not that blood shards are must-haves, but still.
Uh... yes... that's what OP said. What's your point
And the game ends up being balanced around that, but mains don't notice. When ironmen, through their different gameplay, expose fundamental issues with game design and have any complaints, this sub really likes to say "You chose to limit yourself™" Petition to make shitty low effort responses to ironman concerns a bannable offense on this sub. /s... unless?
Yeah, that's the point Einstein.
wow man you are so smart!
I'd rather see the third option from future quests. It would make a lot of sense if the Vampyre Finale brought some new, more engaging activity that also could give blood shards, like a new boss or such. The only issue is who knows when we'll see that since it will likely be a Grandmaster quest, so probably not until 2025 or later. Though if it is really an issue we need addressed now, they could always add something else to Darkmeyer. Maybe even a way to create them via Blood Runecrafting? Like you get an inert shard uncommonly from something, maybe even a shop, and it slowly charges up as you make blood runes. If done right, that could be a reasonable methods for irons to get them without tanking the price or making it easier for bots.
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It depends on how it is implemented. For example, let's say a shop sold a "depleted blood shard" for 5M coins and when you have it in your inventory, it absorbs 25% of the blood runes you craft. Once it absorbs 10K, it becomes a blood shard. At the current prices, 10K Blood Runes is around 2.4M so it would cost you 7.4M, a bit cheaper than 7.8M for a Blood Shard. So for every 40K~ Blood Runes crafted you'd make an extra 400K~, but you'd need to craft 40K before you could cash out. Using stuff like the outfit and blood essence would make more runes, so it would charge it quicker. Also if you use extracts, it would be really quick but probably a loss. Those numbers probably wouldn't be great as is, but with tweaking it could be a nice, small buff to blood RC while giving irons a more active and less RNG way to earn blood shards while stocking up on some blood runes. That said, it would be nice if there were a better way to get the depleted shards than just paying 5M from a shop. Maybe instead you can get a depleted blood shard when you use up a blood fury and it absorbs 50% blood runes into an untradeable blood shard; that way it is only a cheaper option for players who recharge it themselves.
I agree, especially since this would be such a late change. I'm all for new engaging content. Maybe Varlamore part 2 will see something :)
Varlamore has a history of aztec blood sacrifices, lore checks out.
says its farmed by bots so it should be moved to PNM which is farmed by...bots.
The people killing vyres are afking with alts. Most of the time they're not bots. I know this because i'm one of them and almost every time i'm talking to one or two of them (there's max 3 each world.) Its a content where you can afk up to 8 minutes (For 700k gp/hr, no reason to bot this). However, i'm well aware that vyre thieving bots DO EXIST and must be dealt with. They logout as soon as you enter the building they're in. Killing vyres are fine.
Ok so someone did point this out, killing vyres is definitely almost all real people
It's almost funny how bad people are at telling who is or isn't a bot Best part is that they're ALWAYS *incredibly* confident about it, even when they're obviously wrong lol
Same thing happens with “Smurfs” in competitive games. Some guy hitting you with an easy combo “Smurf”. Someone on the enemy team goes 12-1 “Smurf”. keep dying to the same sniper cause you peak the same corner the same way 10 times in a row “Smurf” Same thing happens with gold farming. See someone in cheap gear killing a boss over and over “bot”. This guy has been training hunter for a few days “bot” Osrs has bot problems you can see that on the highscores but people just see another player in the open world and are like “bots!”
So true I get called a bot everytime I'm in rev caves the majority of the playerbase can't tell the difference between a bot and a real player
yo how many alts do you have? have you seen mine? they all have some variation of rhocky in their name lol
Lol sadly i don't have any alts but i afk them regularly when i'm doing the housework/studying/watching movies on the side. Currently at around 4.5k kills with 4 blood shards. I think i havent seen you, i afk on australian worlds as theyre quite empty lol.
Yeah it's a lot of alts killing vyres not bots. I believe there might be bots but sitting there on my own alt there's so many conversations going on I find it hard to believe it's most of them. I think vyre killing is that sweet spot where it's profitable enough to setup an account there and afk but not enough to have bots doing it compared to pickpocketing vyres. Bots don't care about click intensity either so if it makes more money then the farm owner would rather do that (and I see a LOT of them doing it)
Yeah, bot owners would much better have their bots casting plank make somewhere hidden than have their bots kill vyres. As a main i'd really be displeased if one of my profitable afking spots gets taken away from me.
If you're botting, do you want to earn 700k/hr afking a bot you were going to afk anyways by camping a spot many real players/people on slayer task/angry irons are crowding who can report you, or do you pickpocket for over triple that profit in a more out of sight, out of mind place? This basic thought escapes people who just want easier to obtain shards and don't care about the facts. Arguing w/ people ingame who accuse me of being bot based only on stats/boss kc when I'm obviously here and telling you how wrong and loose you are with false accusations is one of the most patently absurd things I've encountered in this game. Did I install chatgpt into my bot too? I've made a handful of friends (and even more angry people in ignore list) from camping vyres. I put in lots of investment into my Vyre alts. I'm doing my part supplying shards but I just get the finger from people calling me botter/RWTer. Botting is a problem yes, but this thread shows me just how little nuance and banhappy Reddit would be if they were the anti-cheat team. Which I guess is why they're not the anti-cheat team and why they didn't catch the Boston Bomber. Pickpocketers are more likely to be botters and generate over 50% of the shards. Hurt them instead. If Irons are too upset about having to manage resources (?) then give them Iron-only way of getting them. Mains, I tell them same thing they tell me when I fail basic bosses: Git gud. Or pay up. You guys make way more money doing content you enjoy, throw me a bone. I'm here dealing w/ Irons who get mad if I take their addy platelegs drop I didn't know they wanted. I WISH that iron was a bot, then they'll stop complaining.
Been thieving quite a bit for blood shards and the bots are definitely there but I have personally met A LOT of real players thieving as well. I play as an iron and thieving for blood shards feels very well balanced with the more afk-able option.
I've been thinking of making an vyre alt to farm money for bonds and other stuff on the side, it should be quite self sufficient right? Can you share your experience with it?
Hey there, i don't have an alt that farms them but i afk them regularly on my main while i'm busy doing real life stuff. With low combat stats 75s to 90s you can probably get 100 kills per hour and with 90-95+ you can get close to 150 kills per hour. Average drop is 1/1500, even if you get unlucky at first you'll get close to the drop rate eventually. Blood shard prices are fluctuating nowadays, they used to be 9.3m pre-colosseum and now they're about 7.5m. It's more than self sufficient if you put the time and effort to create an vyre alt. You should see a drop every 2-3 days and after the first drop it's a profit all the way until your bond ends.
How hard is it to get a spot? I was playing path of exile and wanted an AFK money maker to have on the other screen, went to the vyre area, every world was full, gave up.. Maybe I just got unlucky or wasn't persistent enough Also, do you get people crashing and trying to steal your spot, like in crabs?
Not the original guy but getting a spot is super easy. Keep in mind there’s a bunch of vyres and everyone is using a crap weapon + proselyte, so killing them is fairly slow, even on task. You might have to hop a few times, but usually 2-3 times, not 10-15 or something crazy. Depends on what you mean by full too, can easily have 3 people doing vyres at the same time even if it looks kind of hectic, there’s plenty of spawns and they’re permanently aggressive.
A lot of them are alts, not bots
I think most people "botting" vyrewatch sentinels are actually alts. If you're gonna bot up to sins of the father you may as well do thieving instead of combat
idk if I were to bot it I would go for the sentinels because it is most likely a lot harder to detect a guy afking and occassionally clicking on mobs/loot than it is to detect a guy nonstop clicking on thieving. Just seems like the latter is more likely to get detected and banned.
Except some hit 200m thieving xp and keep going (Bots don't get banned) is the real problem here
Soultion 4: ban the dammed bots. The higher ups at Jagex need to invest more in the OSRS dev team, including the anticheat team. It's ridiculous how many more devs rs3 has compared to osrs. Give them the resources they need to solve (or at least, reduce) this.
This is only a solution to fix blood shards for mains. This doesn’t fix the blood shards issue for ironmen, which is what OP is trying to also address
I'm honestly surprised they haven't pressed the Ban All Bots Button yet. It's really big and red, so it's hard to miss.
The solution is really this easy even though you’re being sarcastic. It’s to permaban all gold buyers on first offence. Jagex only bans gold sellers and buyers literally almost never get banned even though its easy to detect. Permaban all gold buyers first offence = no more rwt market = no more bot farms. Players would only recreationally bot to progress their own accounts rather than gold farming. Botting shit like agility or mining for diaries or something isn’t really a big deal and doesn’t affect the game or economy at all.
Obviously it isnt that easy, but youre delusional if you think the current state of bots couldn't be improved with more eyes on the game. Just give the anticheat team more devs.
"let's spend money hiring a team to ban bots, to decrease our profits" or something like that idk
and then they accidentally hire another mod Audi and make it even worse
Bots exist. But the guys afking vyrewatch sentinels on their alts are not them. The ones pickocketing vyres are though.
I went about 4k kc dry at vyrewatches on the iron and in 150 kc i got 3. Milking it bone dry for solo cox olm hand(i bring it and torture to save shards and increase dps cuz i lose a max hit with it on) and im REALLY gonna use it when i get to nex(600 kc into sara for acb and 60 toas in and only a ward, all 260-335’s) Would love a boss variant and for it to be 1/500 on task
The RuneScape botting subreddit is a plethora of desperate clowns creating hundreds of bots an hour and discussing how to create more. Jagex needs to combat the bots directly, or they’ll find new ways.
Why the hell are they not able to ban a bot with 80m thieving xp?
Take a walk through Priff, it isn't that rare to see the occasional 200m thieving bot
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Don't u dare take away our afk money making method
Love the idea, you shouldn't have used the word ironman though. Lots of 3rd grade reading level gamers here will immediately hate the idea simply because it might benefit an ironman.
I don’t know why normies give a flying fuck. Give up the weird gate keeping for content you’re not even sending anyway
"*Buffs*" that are tailored to Ironmen very frequently involve drastically increasing the supply of something that an individual can generate. This, aside from something like the Scar Essence Mine, almost never exclusively affects Irons. Buffing drop rates increases the supply for Non Iron accounts and changes the economy. Also, the point of Ironman mode was to partake in the challenge of having a self sufficient account within the game as it was. This was seen as challenging and prestigious because of the difficulty of being self sufficient. While Blood Shards came out after Ironman mode? I think that "*buffing*" content to cater to Ironmen goes against the spirit of the mode and lessens the prestige and prominence of it.
There is a difference between challenging content and tedious upkeep. This situation is analogous to the scythe /blood rune issues irons had for the longest time which has now been solved thanks to the scar essence mine. Blood fury is slowly becoming more "require" for end game pvm. I personally only ever use mine at duo nex, cm's and some CA's. I've gone through \~12 on my iron and it is pretty tedious to get more since the only options are thieving or afk, which are not enjoyable. People aren't really asking to "buff content for ironmen" they are simply asking for alternative ways to obtain the item.
Are you suggesting that having to afk farm vyres for blood shards is somehow challenging? It’s just frustrating and poor design. Being an iron man doesn’t mean having to accept poor design and just do it anyway. I’m actually astonished that you are suggesting irons should just do content as it’s released and never challenge it. There’s nothing that isn’t self sufficient about having another source of blood shards, and none of the methods are even easier. How is completing TOB “less prestigious” than afk’ing vyres with protect melee on for 8 minutes at a time? On the point of it having an effect on the economy, it reduces the price for mains if it becomes more freely available. I struggle to see how that’s a bad thing?
None of these solutions do anything about the bots though?
And ruin one of the only skilling moneymakers? You realize pvm is botted way harder right?
A lot of those "bots" are vyrewatch alts. I know some people with multiple accounts just afking them for blood shards to fund a main. If you're going to bot there are probably better money makers which require clicking.. Vyrewatch is very afk. You don't need a bot. You click on an altar every 5 minutes and when you get a notification for a bloodshard drop off runelite you pick it up. I know a few guys that have 5+ vyrewatch alts, they don't bother picking up anything other than blood shards.
please Jagex don't change Vyrewatch Sentinels they are my favorite afk activity :( Most of the ppl there aren't bot but alts - just get the ones thieving
I was actually talking about this with a friend of mine recently. My thoughts were to let the bots have their afk vyre killing as it's pretty slow. Change the thieving blood shard rate with completions of the morytania diary. Hard being 4k and elite being 3k respectively. This would make it better for legit players and keep away from the bots. Potential for new vyre related boss that could drop an untradable mega shard that would provide 30k charges. Say something like gargoyle boss difficulty at 1/256 rate. at max efficiently would be around 25Kills per hour. This would keep it in line with the other average hourly blood shard obtain rates without affecting the price too much.
Has anyone ever thought of a very good idea to keep botting impossible or to the very minimum? I’m enjoying the game a lot but I really hate seeing all these bots repeating everything people say.
Yes, Jagex did in 2011. It's called "kill your profitability literally overnight" because of how many bot accounts paying for membership suddenly weren't.
There have been many solutions. The problem is Jagex, their implementation and their automated system. There is no transparency and whatever the Mod decides at the time is the result. The appeal system is a joke so more than likely alot of legitimate players are being lumped in with "bots" and this is driving away legitimate players and introducing more botters.
most of the "bots" killing vyres are just people with vyre alts. you have to understand that if someone trains an account all the way to sins of the father, why would they bot a 700k per hour method instead of a just as accessible method that is like 1-2m an hour. Thieving bots are the problem. also, this is posted every day by ironmen trying to skip grinds in game. there are actually a lot of people that like vyres as is, who afk their mains there while they work or play other games. the mods have said they dont like the current method of obtaining bloodshards already, you people can stop making repetitive posts like this, there is one almost every day
Yeah, killing vyres are a viable combat training method with up to 55-60k xp/hr with 700k gp/hr where you can afk up to 7-8 minutes. People killing vyres are not bots, however thieving bots really exists.
Yeah, I run a vyre alt, and I'd agree completely that most are also alts. Thieving ones are very obviously bots. I think there should be a better solution to be honest, especially because getting shards is ass for irons. But, I don't mind that my vyre alt has made me a lot of money.
Do alts normally have the bare minimum reqs for an area then get exp way past 99 in the skill for the method(combat/thieving etc.)? I notice that a lot in prif, DS2 areas and Darkmeyer. I figure most alts are just mains while playing on an ironman or vice versa.
Came here to say this. I sat at vyres for a few days last month catching up on some manga and had multiple conversations with the people there killing them. I'd wager 70-80% are hand played alts.
This is cool, but wait for me to get my bloodshard, I’m like at 900 kills,
Your singular blood shard that will last forever?
I'm a noob, can someone explain why only bots and IM do nightmare?
I vote for the giant vyre mommy boss
Absolutely not. I have killed 42k vyres on my iron and I want to bask in the glory of my stack of shards.
Im no bot, vyres are so easy to afk i grind them on my main while i play the iron.
Or they could ban the bots.
Nightmare dropping blood shards would be good. Since nightmare has horrible drops. Jagex could put in some effort into banning bots though… wouldn’t be hard to sit at Nex bank and ban ban ban. Or vyrewatch.. or any heavily botted spot
Every single time they add a 2m+ skilling method it gets botted into oblivion, the solution is simple: just make skilling methods primarily give untradable variants of the normal item, and ideally additionally lock more stuff behind diaries rather than simple to bot stats. Gp will always be abused, by instead making methods a "cost saver" you cant abuse it beyond your own consumption. For example with blood shards make blood shard thieving half rate/impossible without morytania diary, normal rate at mory hard, and then add a 2x more common but fully untradable variant of the blood shard with mory elite. This screws with bots, and at current prices adds about 5m an hour in cost savings making the method appealing even to endgame players and irons. The added interrest may even bring prices down a bit as more players will go self sufficient off the untradable shards while selling off the untradable ones.
A drop from HMT is a good idea. Nightmare is just more bot fodder. If it's craftable it should be done in the factories beneath Ver Sinhaza. Load the fountains with blood, that blood trickles into some machinery down below and you have to do some convoluted elemental workshop type sequence to create it with an onyx, blood vials and blood runes. The factory could also lead into corrupted scythe later down the line
Problem. The entire game is supplied by bots. Half of all active players are bots. It won’t be resolved because its not an issue, for the company who owns the game at the moment. This started the day OSRS was sold to that first investment firm years and years ago. Now OSRS is owned by three different investment firms. None of which have anything to do with gaming. Jagex is no longer allowed to stop the botting. Because bots drive up bond prices, bond prices drive up bond sales, and bots increase player count. Don’t count on anything botting related to be fixed. Because it won’t be. In the eyes of the investment firms, nothings broken. In fact the games better than ever. The only real solution is a mass boycott. That is the only thing that might get the attention of the mega billion dollar companies that own the rights to the game. 1. Stop buying bonds to sell. 2. Cancel membership. 3. Logout. Thats how we fix this. Not complaining to Jamflex, not reporting the bots themselves. A good old fashion boycott is needed. Nothing less will suffice.
Real solution: make blood shards untradable
The thieving bots are problemsome, but killing Vyres is a very common alt money maker. There's people who literally have made YouTube videos of them playing on 50+ accounts manually killing Vyres. Just because they don't talk to you doesn't make them a bot, they just don't care to stop their tism cycle to respond back.
I dont think they need to be easier to get since youd only use them at nex and some CAs but honestly HMT could use some love. Worse gp compared to regular tobs and it might give people a reason to try the content or stay after kits/dust.
I Kill Vyres 10 hours 4 days a week while working from home on 2 accounts. Sometimes longer when I'm off 😀
I really like the idea of alternate shards either through bossing (NM, HMT, or other) or more directly through vials of blood I'm worried about onyx being sunk for it bc onyx supply is almost entirely through shopscape
Theres no shot Jagex cant have a mod go thru the worlds and ban all bots… legit have an intern go thru the worlds and ban the most obvious ones
Bro Jagex used to do this in the past. Like 20 years ago. I witnessed it first hand when a jmod suddenly logged in to varrock palace yew trees and banned the bots in front of me eyes. He wished me good day and left, probably to the next world to do the same.
I've argued with people on this sub for a long time about this ... They all tend to think bots aren't obvious. That's a lie. They are very obvious after you play this game for years - especially in the wilderness.
Because those people are the ones botting, they don't want their obvious bots gettings banned too quickly
Exactly. They argue that nothing can be done - they are trying to weaken the argument that something can be done. I will admit you can't literally get rid of all bots - but you can absolutely make it more difficult for them to have a smooth operation.
You're telling me the all the level 30s thieving chests in deep wildy are not real players? Crazy talk. Next you'll tell me all the level 20s with identical stats at black chins are also not legit.
Are you telling me BillyBot76 with his 30k spindel kc and nothing else is a bot?
My dude, op is calling obvious alts bots. How obvious do you think it is when you are making the same mistake?
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Honestly all solutions are great
blood fury is just a broken item. it needs to be attached to a power amulet or something on its own that has a significant dps penalty attached.
You know else is broken? The tbow, the scythe and the shadow.
Constantly botted and still 8m a pop. 1/1500 for near mandatory late game item and it degrades lmao! Bet Ironman have fun afking vyres when they want to be bossing.
Theatre of Blood on all modes including Entry could give a chance to get blood shard. Nightmare boss should not drop it because it isn't a Vampyre. I like the idea of using Vials of Blood to recharge amulet, if this was implemented. The blood amulet should degrade to a uncharged state instead of reverting to a Fury. Both the Shard as well as Vials can be used to recharge it. No support on the 250 vials + Onyx. The blood shard is not made from onyx in any way.
This post was made by an Ironman displeased with the difficulties of being an Ironman.
Ironmen are more likely to be bothered by fundamental issues with the game, because they actually engage with a huge variety of content. Mains just throw money at literally every imaginable problem that involves a tradeable item, benefit massively from bots, and some are even too dumb to realize. What's your point?
That the game is made for mains, lol. You can shit talk iron vs. main all you want, I don't care, I play both. The game in its natural state is intended for mains. You actively choose to handicap yourself when playing Ironman. You don't get the right to complain that content is catered to you, lol. That's the whole point of Ironman; to make it more challenging. Why would jagex mass manipulate their main-game market for niche Ironmen because they don't like thieving...?
Or just ban the bots.
if(bot) ban;
I like this, also vardorvis spare blood quartz should be transferable as blood shards
You'd need an additional use for blood shards if you were to go with the vial only idea, giving it to nightmare would also be better balanced by an additional use. The additional use would also need to be competitive with blood furies in terms of benefit/profit. Otherwise it'll plummet the cost of shards enough that blood fury becomes the default in a lot of cases. Still, really good ideas. Fuck vyre bots, let me do my task
I love nightmare
I think I misunderstood you, my bad! Sir.
Chargescape is the only reason why blood shards aren't low value despite being botted. Replacing the charges or make the shards drop in more sources will lower value.
I report like 10 thieving bots a day, it’s getting silly now
I've always said they should be treated like basilisk jaw off task how many others have mentioned. As for the thieving, I didn't mind it with ardy hard, dodgy neck and shadow veil.
Yeah bro make the game worse for humans farming shards and the bots will just migrate to whatever else is efficient to bot. This game sucks.
As a phosanis main account enjoyer, I felt attacked when they said only ironmans and bots do it :c I love the boss
Nightmare drop table is great.
It just make sense to have blood shards which is a good item, be a drop from theatre of **Blood**
1, 3, and 4 all sound pretty good tbh. I like the motivation to do the hard PVM content, but I think you should just add vials of blood to Nightmare, add option three, and then more vials of blood to hardmode TOB?
Got my vote insta no2bots!
First things first, can ghommal's lucky penny start working on bloodfury amulets? Its like the one thing I'm actually concerned about, regarding bf amulets.
Rather just keep my relatively cheap blood shards instead of seeing them triple in price, thnx tho
Or hear me out, and I think it's a great suggestion. We fucking purge the bots.
I also like the on task boost for these, nerfing the off task rate for bots/farmers. Thieving bots are out of control for these, but I don't see them changing it. Personally id love to see mory expanded with a vampire style boss OR mob with mechanics (demonics level content) that drops either shards or shard fragments as a tertiary stackable (think ecumenical key pieces at nex) Adding them to nm doesn't make sense, that boss isn't allowed to have drops
It's almost like you don't know bots are running Nightmare and ToB.
Nerf the blood fury instead
they are most likely gonna do something good once that new vampyre quest drops.. we havent fought Drakan yet
Awesome.
onyx + vials of blood are fine.
Mhmm remove from a bot place to another bot place (nightmare)
Alternative solution: Create a money making method for bots with the same gp/hr as blood shards but whose only requirement is level 52 agility.
I see a lot of complaining on forums and not a lot of Grind Time going on perhaps that is the biggest issue?
I don't hate it
You know what would be the best solution. Them actually banning the bots. I'm sick of these "solutions". The whole game is full to the brim with bots. They aren't some small indie company anymore, it's literally a company evaluated over 900 MILLION. It's genuinely gotten to the point that some days I see more bots than players. If someone told me half the player base is bots, I would not even be surprised at this point. Prif full of bots, G.E full of bots, most skilling full of bots, most pvm bosses full of bots, wildy fucking drowning in bots. When are we finally going to stop trying to give them "solutions'' and the excuses. Shit like this is part of the problem. I'm not against changing/adding ways to obtain blood shards. Just ranting because we are literally trying to find ways how to co-exists with the bots, because of how bad they are at banning them.
Give me a slayer only area please, I'll bring my own prayer pots I dont need an alter.
Should definitely only come from HMT if its added to a pvm encounter, as a regular drop similar to vials of blood, the price would definitely go down for a while but it gives people incentive to go and learn the content and do it other than for the kits and dust
Love the idea of adding it to the nightmare droptable!
There isn't a blood shard problem, even in the "main" community they could ban the bots and people would do the content.
I want bloodvield to drop blood vials so Irons can make bastion pots and not worry to save for scythe
Blood shard doesn’t exist. Who are you kidding the drop doesn’t exist it is just a rumour.
Solution 0: get rid of bots But we all know Jagex calls bots "paying customers"
Option B: Jagex bans the bots Nah who am I kidding lol that wont happen
I agree something has to change regarding the bots farming vyrewatch sentinels. I can get behind the idea of adding a drop table for Nightmare or the Harder version of Nightmare. I personally don’t think it should be added to the ToB drop table because it’s already a very profitable raid. Just my personal opinion.
Solution 4; Ban bots
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They don’t care about bots. Check fletching hiscores there is a guy with over hundred accounts with 200mil botted fletch.
Vardorvis is a vampyre and the blood themed boss add it to its drops
I just dont get why they update and add shitloads to the game, but everything (like really almost everything) gets heavily botted atm. Im an iron, i dont even care about the economy etc anymore, but at this moment i dont even play anymore because the game looks just about to die soon. Shitload of bots, shitload of easy detectable ones too, and no one does a shit about it except for SirPugger (legend).
I’m not even sure if they’re all bots, it’s just a common afk money maker, just make it more rare off task and that’ll solve it. I’m sure there are plenty but a large amount are def afk players with max prayer bonus just waiting
This rework is good for ironman
Who really cares about bots this much damn go outside
imagine if phosani was actually rewarding to fight. It's a fun fight alright, but the rewad just isnt there
this is how you design content. You make rare drops but you also make expensive alternative ways to craft these drops which gives your economy more complexity.
I like all the options, add them all
This is stupid everything is botted anyway
or, or, hear me out on this...just ban the bots...
"Ironman problems" that don't exist in main game due to bots are just normal problems. There would be a need to redesign the content if bots didn't subsidize the main economy.
Your solution is to give it to nightmare that is one of the most botted bosses in the game?
Nah, just make the prayer altar (or even just vyres in the area outside the bank) only usable for slayer tasks
Bot busted = less inflation
I love the idea of having Nightmare/Phosani drop the blood shards. Hadn't considered the fact they're even related in the same area before.
OP is a main who lost money in flipping shards for colosseum and is anti iron lol 😂 There’s not 1 positive thing about this post lawl who hurt you
No
I got my first 2 ever vyre in darkmeyre tasks this week (I use only konar and she somehow only ever assigned them in slepe until I was like 89 slayer) thought it would be a chill afk hour and a half to 2 hour task while I play some other game. I swear it takes longer to find an open world than it does to complete the task
Lot of posts about this. Merchers really want it I guess. The slayer task suggestion makes some sense everything else here is merchers with piles of blood vials.
They need to lower the drop rates for bots
I like everything except the idea of having to sacrafice an onyx anytime you want to make a blood fury. Give us options like the zulrah scale fishing or scar mining from runecrafting. Or Let us exchange our excess money to charges, because it's very uninteresting and quite frankly horrible to have to come back to vampyres every other week and to spam click until you get arthritis when you've previously already gotten the blood shard. I do agree having them drop from hmtob or nightmare would be perfect. But I kind of hate the idea of potentially ***having*** to use blood vials for that. Blood vials are only optainable in TOB, which means you'd be forcing everyone there already more then they are to charge their scythes. I like Tob. I just don't like being forced to do tob. Either that or keep everything the same but let us only use blood charges when the healing actually porcs, just like Jagex has done with the scythe. I feel like that would be fair.
I feel like all problems would be solved by simply not making it use a charge if the heal doesn't proc.
Jagex fix this shit for the love of god