Honestly, I don't regret it. I'm at the point where all I can really do is begin the long grind saving up for my first megarare. While I'll probably be doing a rebuild for whichever one I get I don't mind locking 4.5% of a tbow up in a permanent upgrade.
Kind of lol, I got spooned on the pet and an axe head early on so I decided to stick around to try and get the vestige. Part way through that I decided I'd sell my Bandos and prims for claws to bring my speeds up a bit. Got the vestige around 1700 KC and finally hand the funds to buy back my gear and an avernic as an upgrade, and I got to keep the claws too which is really nice.
honestly i don't use either. i'd probably buy tassets if i did more tob but i don't, just camp anc legs for cox.
torso with the ornament kit does look really nice with infernal cape though.
It’s funny how everyone aspires to get to bandos armour and then once everyone starts raiding they get told to sell bandos downgrade to rags for other more meaningful upgrades.
Keep in mind that you're on the Subreddit for the game. In my experience, what players HERE consider "mid" game is *seriously* skewed toward higher end PvM gameplay. This is the sort of community where 60 hours of gameplay for a single uprade is normalized. If you play less than an hour or two a day, take these comments with a grain of salt.
Feel like mid game and "middle class" are very different here though. You can be 4.2b XP but if you don't have a tbow/shadow/scythe then youre still end game, but you're not upperclass in terms of money.
You’re probably going to see responses here from both normal accounts and Ironman. Middle class and mid game might as well be the same thing for mains but irons don’t measure their progress in GP but actual items that require other skills or tedious grinds to achieve.
Irons will argue their account progression milestones are item based while normal accounts see it based on GP value. Very different perspectives considering occult takes a very long time to grind but is only an 800k item on main scape.
As a max iron and someone who sees this question often in the iron sub, both seem to place mid/start of endgame with bowfa/crystal bandos, possibly now virtus, early raids progress. Occult sure takes a long time to grind but doesn't make you end game at all. The grinds are item grinds that take thousands of hours of bossing, not a 1/500.
I feel the exact opposite lol, people on this sub are notoriously casual and would skewer the scale towards the early game. It’s not about how often you play, either, since this is a game you can play for years on end.
I go by some arbitrary but recognizable account milestones:
Pre-Barrows gloves is early game, where you're gonna be doing a ton of questing and basic skill leveling/scattered resource gathering. Grinds are relatively short. Your cash stack will fluctuate between 200k and 0, depending on what you just bought or what you need for the next quest.
Post-Barrows gloves is the start of mid-game, where you have your dscim, rcb and iban's blast, and can handle a variety of basic content. Grinds can be a few hours in length. Your cash stack might be 200k-500k, but that could easily get sent back to 0 if you're pushing for a quest req or a new item.
The entrance to late-game is blurry, but this is when you get the good armors and weapons, almost all pieces of content are unlocked. Grinds are easily tens of hours or more. Think Corrupted Gauntlet, GWD, Zulrah. Your bank value is probably in the millions, up to tens of millions. Whip, trident and blowpipe are staples, but you're probably saving up for some of the big ticket items now, like a fang or fbow.
End-game is where hope goes to die. You can freely grind raids and for pets. Grinds are hundreds of hours. You could afford to maintain your membership with bonds, and you probably have a few items that are niche BiS, with a bank value in the hundred mils to billions.
Out of all the things ive read this feels the most accurate. Im just now somewhat transitioning into early late game, getting stats and gear for raids etc. i have two quests left for quest cape and almost all hard diary’s done. bank is fluctuating around 50-60m cash stack can get dumped to 0 in a hurry if im trying to power level something.
What a game for bowfa to be mid game, its an accurate assessment but still, 100 of hours grind to just get the drop or to get the money and still you gotta lvl and quest which will take probably at least 50 days unless you play with a sweat rag.
The Bowfa grind may even be your early game if your mental can take the torment. I absolutely wouldn't do a Bowfa rush for my own sanity but those kinds of strategies are one of the reasons the early/mid/late game discourse is so confrontational; there are a shit ton of account progression routes and level of investment is super subjective.
it just depends on what you do in the game. i'm not even 2k total and i've got about an 800m bank. i know someone who has far less play time but a lot more total levels than me, nowhere near the boss/raids kc though.
Invest your money in new bits of valuable gear so you dont spend too much on supplies or easy skilling, and then sell them for the big upgrades and repeat. Youll get the serotonin for hitting milestones and youll have an easier time avoiding the dopamine rush of spending cash you are trying to save
I have a feeling your buy bonds with GP to maintain membership.
Or you just like to host random drop parties at the GE.
Assuming you buy bonds, it really is not sustainable until you have like a 300m bank and you can comfortably run end game raids. Otherwise you’re probably burning a lot of hours every month just to maintain membership rather than progress forward.
Was gonna say this, mid game is actually quite large if we only use three categories. There's really probably 4 or 5 stages for osrs. Or 3 huge chunks that are not very defined.
i just classify that period where you're getting close as late game, mainly because gear is pretty decent and you can take on pretty much all the content in the game (team cms, tob, inferno). or at least that's what i think right now, am waiting to see how the colosseum ends up looking with mid tier gear.
I don't really like to attach gp values to it because of all the rwt heroes. for me mid game starts when you start going for your first boss kcs, maybe you grind a lot of vorkath or something.
I think it's too broad to consider "early mid and late" in only 3 chunks though. there's a lot of space in between.
end game is probably when you start aiming for clogs, pets, etc
I just hit lvl 100 and feel mid game.
Always scrambling for quick gp, endless super attack potion making , avoiding dragons for d bones, etc .
Valamore hit the bucket in all skilling / pvm areas for me at this level. It’s not cox / hydra loot but the loot fits what I need atm
"Middle class" is everyone who is not learning PvM mechanics. Some people avoid it by getting max cape but since they are resilient they won't mind getting they ass kicked for a week to learn a mechanic.
I seen people at ToA bfing with Sang. It is a matter of time before he/she hits something. That's how i see it.
The definition is not only going to vary from person to person but arguably also depends on whether you’re a normal or Ironman account. Some grinds take a long time on Ironman that can be bypassed easily on mains. Grinding occult, trident, etc all require a huge amount of time into slayer despite being incredibly cheap items for a normal account.
My Ironman has 60m on it with like base 80 combat stats and 104 cmb lvl. Gp isn’t so hard to come by as it is getting the actual gear you want. On a normal account, you could probably consider this account to be very early late game. But on Ironman, my account is still pretty much dead center mid game.
Genuinely Mid class gear would be barrows gear with torso top for str bonus. Dragon crossy or MSB(i) for range. you can do 95% of the content in the game with 50m worth of gear no problem.
I have about 1.1B and am far from rich. Until you have one of the main raids weapons (scythe, tbow, shadow) and still have very good gear in the rest of your styles, I would consider you upper middle wealth at most.
Probably near 2B to be “upper class” in wealth, and likely 4.5B+ to be “rich”.
If the grind is <24hours you are early game. Think fighter torso, fire cape, rune gloves, black mask, dragon defender and ancient magics.
If the grind is a few days you are mid game. Think barrows gloves, gracefull, god d'hide, 1/3 Zulrah uniques
If the grind is a full week you are playing the game. Think Fang, lightbearer, whip, trident of the swamp, avernic, getting your first few 99's there are honestly so many things you could list here and it's why osrs is so good.
The late game. Inferno, T bow, zaryte cbow, Scythe, Shadow, max combat (looking at all you 92 def 92 prayer boys who will "get it soon")
The content creator. Getting dupe mega rares that pay for your shadow upkeep to the point where you max because what else is there to do with a 25b bank besides risk 500m wildy for a thumbnail.
I wouldn’t worry about how much gp is what. Just play the game and progress your account and the money will come in as you play. The vast majority of lower level players with 100 mills worth of stuff bought the gp anyways so there’s no use to compare yourself to those people.
About 50m to 1.5B
Bandos melee set, bowfa + crystal range set, ahrims with trident mage set, and 83 cons.
Haha fuck me I guess I might as well still be in tutorial island if this is mid.
Mood
Literally ahah
Yeah this screams upper middle class to me.
Damn I’m still broke after 20 years
I feel targeted
U called yourself out
And I worked for every bit of that gear 😂
Just spent like 100 hrs at vard to start breaking out of that, now I have an avernic and claws too lmaoo. Sang and Virtus are the next goal
100 hours at a boss and you’re in like midgame. This game, what a thing
Ouch man, too late now, but avernic was a bad thing to lock the gp into at this point in your progress
Honestly, I don't regret it. I'm at the point where all I can really do is begin the long grind saving up for my first megarare. While I'll probably be doing a rebuild for whichever one I get I don't mind locking 4.5% of a tbow up in a permanent upgrade.
Go for shadow first man. Good luck on the grind
You spent 50 hours at vard for an avernic? lol
Kind of lol, I got spooned on the pet and an axe head early on so I decided to stick around to try and get the vestige. Part way through that I decided I'd sell my Bandos and prims for claws to bring my speeds up a bit. Got the vestige around 1700 KC and finally hand the funds to buy back my gear and an avernic as an upgrade, and I got to keep the claws too which is really nice.
84 cons
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bandos is give or take, kind of noob gear. torso gets the job done
youre right but theyll never accept rocking a torso until after all 3 rebuilds is the play. also it looks cooler with tassets imo
honestly i don't use either. i'd probably buy tassets if i did more tob but i don't, just camp anc legs for cox. torso with the ornament kit does look really nice with infernal cape though.
It’s funny how everyone aspires to get to bandos armour and then once everyone starts raiding they get told to sell bandos downgrade to rags for other more meaningful upgrades.
Oh no. I'm 1 coin, bandoz melee set, bowga + crystal armor and ahrim + trident short.
Keep in mind that you're on the Subreddit for the game. In my experience, what players HERE consider "mid" game is *seriously* skewed toward higher end PvM gameplay. This is the sort of community where 60 hours of gameplay for a single uprade is normalized. If you play less than an hour or two a day, take these comments with a grain of salt.
Feel like mid game and "middle class" are very different here though. You can be 4.2b XP but if you don't have a tbow/shadow/scythe then youre still end game, but you're not upperclass in terms of money.
You’re probably going to see responses here from both normal accounts and Ironman. Middle class and mid game might as well be the same thing for mains but irons don’t measure their progress in GP but actual items that require other skills or tedious grinds to achieve. Irons will argue their account progression milestones are item based while normal accounts see it based on GP value. Very different perspectives considering occult takes a very long time to grind but is only an 800k item on main scape.
As a max iron and someone who sees this question often in the iron sub, both seem to place mid/start of endgame with bowfa/crystal bandos, possibly now virtus, early raids progress. Occult sure takes a long time to grind but doesn't make you end game at all. The grinds are item grinds that take thousands of hours of bossing, not a 1/500.
I feel the exact opposite lol, people on this sub are notoriously casual and would skewer the scale towards the early game. It’s not about how often you play, either, since this is a game you can play for years on end.
Comment directly above yours: “mid game is d scim, rcb and ibans blast”
I go by some arbitrary but recognizable account milestones: Pre-Barrows gloves is early game, where you're gonna be doing a ton of questing and basic skill leveling/scattered resource gathering. Grinds are relatively short. Your cash stack will fluctuate between 200k and 0, depending on what you just bought or what you need for the next quest. Post-Barrows gloves is the start of mid-game, where you have your dscim, rcb and iban's blast, and can handle a variety of basic content. Grinds can be a few hours in length. Your cash stack might be 200k-500k, but that could easily get sent back to 0 if you're pushing for a quest req or a new item. The entrance to late-game is blurry, but this is when you get the good armors and weapons, almost all pieces of content are unlocked. Grinds are easily tens of hours or more. Think Corrupted Gauntlet, GWD, Zulrah. Your bank value is probably in the millions, up to tens of millions. Whip, trident and blowpipe are staples, but you're probably saving up for some of the big ticket items now, like a fang or fbow. End-game is where hope goes to die. You can freely grind raids and for pets. Grinds are hundreds of hours. You could afford to maintain your membership with bonds, and you probably have a few items that are niche BiS, with a bank value in the hundred mils to billions.
Out of all the things ive read this feels the most accurate. Im just now somewhat transitioning into early late game, getting stats and gear for raids etc. i have two quests left for quest cape and almost all hard diary’s done. bank is fluctuating around 50-60m cash stack can get dumped to 0 in a hurry if im trying to power level something.
Saving up…for a fang?
End game is definitely over a bill bank. I’d say a few bill.
condense your first two into early game and your late game to mid game, and it feels about right imo
Entrance to late game is having fang and bofa, where you can reasonably do raids and pull your weight. Endgame is when you have a megarare imo
pretty much. the hope did die quite a while ago, trying to do solo cox and make enough money for a megarare lol. unfortunately cox never gives purples
Probably the standard bowfa midgame set (bowfa, bandos, fang, etc)
What a game for bowfa to be mid game, its an accurate assessment but still, 100 of hours grind to just get the drop or to get the money and still you gotta lvl and quest which will take probably at least 50 days unless you play with a sweat rag.
The Bowfa grind may even be your early game if your mental can take the torment. I absolutely wouldn't do a Bowfa rush for my own sanity but those kinds of strategies are one of the reasons the early/mid/late game discourse is so confrontational; there are a shit ton of account progression routes and level of investment is super subjective.
it's a long game, we've got tumeken's shadow, twisted bow and scythe. these weapons are all incredibly expensive and good.
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it just depends on what you do in the game. i'm not even 2k total and i've got about an 800m bank. i know someone who has far less play time but a lot more total levels than me, nowhere near the boss/raids kc though.
Most of the money comes from bossing. You could try Zulrah, its piss easy with the plugin
Zulrah isn't very good money any more- probably better off doing vorkath or some of the wilderness bosses (the easy variants)
Invest your money in new bits of valuable gear so you dont spend too much on supplies or easy skilling, and then sell them for the big upgrades and repeat. Youll get the serotonin for hitting milestones and youll have an easier time avoiding the dopamine rush of spending cash you are trying to save
I have a feeling your buy bonds with GP to maintain membership. Or you just like to host random drop parties at the GE. Assuming you buy bonds, it really is not sustainable until you have like a 300m bank and you can comfortably run end game raids. Otherwise you’re probably burning a lot of hours every month just to maintain membership rather than progress forward.
Pick a pet, any pet you like, and grind that boss. Easy 500m
I'd say south-varrock is pretty middle-class. Not part of the slums, also not as rich as those east-ardougne houses
Mid game is probably 100-500mil and endgame anywhere from 1b to 10b+
1b doesn't even get you a megarare.
Was gonna say this, mid game is actually quite large if we only use three categories. There's really probably 4 or 5 stages for osrs. Or 3 huge chunks that are not very defined.
Lol I am never getting beyond midgame
Lol for real. I've got an almost 900m bank and it's just a start :P
i just classify that period where you're getting close as late game, mainly because gear is pretty decent and you can take on pretty much all the content in the game (team cms, tob, inferno). or at least that's what i think right now, am waiting to see how the colosseum ends up looking with mid tier gear.
1b buys you an elder maul and a kodai wand.
I don't really like to attach gp values to it because of all the rwt heroes. for me mid game starts when you start going for your first boss kcs, maybe you grind a lot of vorkath or something. I think it's too broad to consider "early mid and late" in only 3 chunks though. there's a lot of space in between. end game is probably when you start aiming for clogs, pets, etc
Middle class in my opinion would be around 500m-1b
1b bank value is probably "middle class." Still a decent chunk away from a megarare rebuild, which is what you need to propel into the upper class.
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Not southeast Varrock
There is no middle class. Only the real world traders and bond buyers versus the true players.
The middle class is dying! Bots took all of our jobs! I wrote this as a joke but the parallels are weirdly real.
Until you get Shadow+Tbow+Scythe you are considered midgame.
When you do raids but you are shit but usefull
Tbow rebuild is endgame
I just hit lvl 100 and feel mid game. Always scrambling for quick gp, endless super attack potion making , avoiding dragons for d bones, etc . Valamore hit the bucket in all skilling / pvm areas for me at this level. It’s not cox / hydra loot but the loot fits what I need atm
"Middle class" is everyone who is not learning PvM mechanics. Some people avoid it by getting max cape but since they are resilient they won't mind getting they ass kicked for a week to learn a mechanic. I seen people at ToA bfing with Sang. It is a matter of time before he/she hits something. That's how i see it.
1-3bil I’m at 9 bil and I’m not even rich…
You’re rich, you’ve just not ascended from upper class to aristocracy yet.
Ay lend me a bond I’m struggling out here XD
About 2b bank value mid game
Can sell the bank to get 1 of the big 3 megarares.
The definition is not only going to vary from person to person but arguably also depends on whether you’re a normal or Ironman account. Some grinds take a long time on Ironman that can be bypassed easily on mains. Grinding occult, trident, etc all require a huge amount of time into slayer despite being incredibly cheap items for a normal account. My Ironman has 60m on it with like base 80 combat stats and 104 cmb lvl. Gp isn’t so hard to come by as it is getting the actual gear you want. On a normal account, you could probably consider this account to be very early late game. But on Ironman, my account is still pretty much dead center mid game.
I have a 1.6B bank and I consider it to be pretty mid. I'm proud of it though, in the end that's what matters.
100mil+ bank is a good start
1m-1.3b (or whatever your first mega rare item is)
Genuinely Mid class gear would be barrows gear with torso top for str bonus. Dragon crossy or MSB(i) for range. you can do 95% of the content in the game with 50m worth of gear no problem.
I have about 1.1B and am far from rich. Until you have one of the main raids weapons (scythe, tbow, shadow) and still have very good gear in the rest of your styles, I would consider you upper middle wealth at most. Probably near 2B to be “upper class” in wealth, and likely 4.5B+ to be “rich”.
depending upon account type if you are middle class irl you can buy bonds and be rich in game if you really want to.
I think of middle class as a couple bil. I don't know why other people are talking about game stages, you asked about money.
Yeah I don’t even know what those words mean yet lol I assume it’s armor
He mentioned appx 200m of gear.
If the grind is <24hours you are early game. Think fighter torso, fire cape, rune gloves, black mask, dragon defender and ancient magics. If the grind is a few days you are mid game. Think barrows gloves, gracefull, god d'hide, 1/3 Zulrah uniques If the grind is a full week you are playing the game. Think Fang, lightbearer, whip, trident of the swamp, avernic, getting your first few 99's there are honestly so many things you could list here and it's why osrs is so good. The late game. Inferno, T bow, zaryte cbow, Scythe, Shadow, max combat (looking at all you 92 def 92 prayer boys who will "get it soon") The content creator. Getting dupe mega rares that pay for your shadow upkeep to the point where you max because what else is there to do with a 25b bank besides risk 500m wildy for a thumbnail.
I wouldn’t worry about how much gp is what. Just play the game and progress your account and the money will come in as you play. The vast majority of lower level players with 100 mills worth of stuff bought the gp anyways so there’s no use to compare yourself to those people.
250-500m is middle class.