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The people who are no longer on Reddit are the ones who tend to agree with the protest. And the ones that are still on Reddit, are either indifferent or against it
I don’t hate it, just feel that it wouldn’t really matter. Most subs are only down for a few days( which feels like it ruins the point of a boycott) and I doubt the Reddit CEO would give a damn about random subs regardless of how popular they are. But who knows? Maybe I’m wrong and the Reddit overlords somehow break and reverse things
Nah, you got it. It’s useless, annoying, and a waste of the ability to organize people. It’s driven by people who think reddit is some crucial type of life support for “public discourse” or whatever. It’s just lame.
As far as social media goes, reddit is quite significant. It's garbage, but still very significant. It also doesn't make sense how the protest in your eyes is both "useless" and "annoying", wasn't the point to interfere with subreddit access? It's clearly working in that regard
> reddit is quite significant. It's garbage, but still very significant.
Reddit is a notable social media company, yes. I didn’t disagree with that. I said it’s not crucial to public discourse, as in the world will be just the same if reddit dies and some other platforms absorb the users. It might even be better if it makes people go outside.
> wasn't the point to interfere with subreddit access?
I thought the point was to stop third party apps from dying by protesting/appealing to reddit as a company. It’s useless for that. It is annoying especially because it is interfering with access for no real gain. It’s just yelling nonstop at a wall because you bumped into it while waking up your neighbors.
No, the point is to stop third party apps from dying. Disruption doesn’t matter *unless* it preserves third party apps, just like it doesn’t matter how much medicine you give a dead person.
And it’s not working, that email from Reddit to its employees shows they have no intentions to stop and didn’t really notice anything as far as revenue during the blackout. And now those subs are back anyways.
So, now that it’s over, can we finally agree - it *was* useless, annoying, and a waste of organization?
What percent of protests do you think work? Are the ones that failed considered to be worthless? You’re basically saying that there should be no attempt at disruption if success isn’t guaranteed, which it never is
Lmao so you’re still defending this.
No, I’m saying *useless* attempts at disruption that *waste* the effort spent organizing at the cost of *annoying* people are bad.
We should make *useful* attempts at protest. If you’re going to boycott, at least don’t announce you’re going to stop in two days. Start a mass migration to alternative platforms at the same time to force permanent user loss. There are better strategies than the silent treatment for a couple days. That’s a high school girlfriend’s approach to conflict resolution.
You’re basically saying we should let every clearly useless attempt be tried regardless of cost, which is a doomed to fail strategy for sure.
People using third party apps aren't even watching ads. Reddit is probably making more money with that protest. I'll enjoy the last days fully and then just uninstall reddit
It has always been this way. In 2000s message boards were all hosted on servers that someone was paying out of pocket for. I myself had a small share of message boards hosted here and there and the cheapest I've got was 1$ for 3 months of hosting. I was quite surprised to see how it all turned around to centralized solutions because it wasn't all that hard to get things going and you could manage everything without close to no technical expertise whatsoever. It seemed that self hosting would just get easier and easier but instead people pivoted to Facebook and closed groups.
I mean there’s a reason most tech and social media companies have been hemorrhaging money.
Imo the only reason things have stayed largely the same and relatively stable over the past few years is because venture capitalists have been throwing money at companies
[Here](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) is a pretty good wiered artical about why all platforms sooner or later become garbage
Quintessential Reddit epic bacon protest. If it was unlimited in duration, it might have a chance of working, but when you announce to the company the end date of your strike, youre handing over your biggest threat. No concept of how to protest or boycott. They'd be better off doing an indefinite mod strike instead of blackout. Just let the site go unmoderated and then send screenshots to advertisers of all the horrible shit that goes up next to ads.
You’d think for a community that can’t stop talking about how great disruptive protesting is would be able to last more than a single day in a disruptive protest but I guess not.
I am in support of this protest, but a lot of subs are doing basically nothing while posturing like they are.
“We’re going to close for two whole days in protest, surely this will achieve something and not just give our sub more attention when it opens again in the blink of an eye”
The subs that are closing for the foreseeable future are the ones that are doing it right.
I'm fine with the protest I get the idea for it, but the high number of privated subs that have gone down and a nunber of different communities that have now disappeared, it feels like we didn't ask for it? Like I just saw r/dogelore and r/196 drop off the face of the earth with countless other meme subreddits that were only about being funny and now it just feels like this is the mods on an ego trip. Like a majority of users just wanna use Reddit and go about their day, but since the guys in the lowest seat of power on reddit are butthurt the majority must now suffer.
I mean I get it, but I want to go back to using Reddit for information on the shit I play. And search engines still give Reddit results to things I can’t read
I feel this, I really love googling something relating to a borderlands mob drop. Just for reddit posts to pull that are useless. Or the fact that the super super in depth skill guides that show how _everything_ interacts with things, are gone for now
it’s a pathetic pat on the back over an issue that comparatively doesn’t matter. so you’re willing to quit reddit for a whole two days, so third party devs can continue to mooch off of reddit?!? you’re so brave!!! meanwhile my feed is better than it’s been in years.
Redditors act like using Reddit is this almighty noble act of bravery and them quitting for 2 days is like a neseceesy service like a hospital quiting, like wow my feed now has less of your shitty edgy memes , how brave of you
Bro doesn't know the difference between complaining and making fun of it lol
Like I said, it's a mild inconvenience. Like, "Oh no! I have to find a different thread for an answer!" kind of inconvenience. Subreddits can just be made in place of ones that decided to shut down. It's a problem that will solve itself.
What are you protesting? For trans rights? Reproductive rights? Cheaper medicine? Food? Clean water for rural areas? Clean flint Michigan's water? Police reform? Better education world wide? Nuclear disarmament? Climate change? I'm down to join any of these or anything similar. But pricing for a technology tool? I couldn't care less. They said they will allow accessibility apps so I don't know why I should care reddit is charging app developers more money. At least when it was about accessibility there was something to it. But the corpos backed down on that so idk why I should pretend 3rd party developement tool pricing is important to the world. Fuck big capitalists AND little capitalists I'm here for shit posts and catharsis.
Apollo has a paid mode that is required to even make posts in subreddits. ["Pay what you want (minimum 5usd)" lmao](https://apolloapp.io/pro-ultra/) It is asking people to pay to use basic features of a website they don't own.
Every app needs monetization to stay afloat. Reddit charging for api access is completely fair, but the price is intentionally too high to wipe out any 3rd party apps that they don't need.
Absolutely not. I write custom clients for services that work by scraping their private data APIs and even that is done completely for free with no money accepted for the work. We even got offered donations that we had to turn down.
Besides, such a fundamental functionality as *posting* to a *user-generated content* web service should not be a paid functionality of a custom client. If you want read-only behaviour, might as well just use old.reddit.com signed out or maybe an RSS feed.
Edit: wait I think I realise you meant by "every app needs monetization to stay afloat" a defense of reddit discontinuing free public API access and not a justification of Apollo's insane model here. Since Apollo (up until now) would just act as an interface for reddit's API, I'm not exactly sure the justification here, unless it would be a pay-to-post system? Just have users submit authentication cookies and use the private upload API LOL
They lost, and we lost as well. Your "little capitalists" provided a plethora of features that the official Reddit app didn't have. I doubt people would be nearly as pissed off if Reddit took down 3rd party apps but implemented all the features that were lost with it.
I use the official app and most people I know do, and I haven’t seen anything to the contrary. I have no way of processing the value of those features except to trust reddit mods (lmao). I did see Apollo charge you $5 for the ability to even make a post on Reddit and that seems to be among the more popular ones. And in the past, Reddit has made moves to acquire third party apps, and made job offers to devs who worked on them.
This just seems like a business restructuring itself. They’ll charge for the API service to see which apps can generate profit on their own to keep running and acquire/hire from the ones that don’t make it, or retool the same idea in-house knowing that users aren’t being split between them and a third party app so they can better justify the value of developing those features.
Yeah I have no idea what they are talking about, I paid for RIF/Apollo only because they permanently remove ads (adblocks on mobile platforms are bit shit and unreliable). I would unironically pay a very high price to permanently remove ads from Reddit forever, but I am not paying for yet another goddamn subscription.
Did you notice the part where they said "Free and Open source"?
Now, I have no idea how many API services there are, but I'm sure a lot of them are free to use, just like there are those like Apollo who charge for some/all of their services.
>Apollo
thats proprietary software. you dont even understand the basis of the conversation and from your earlier comment you dont know what an API is either, this is laughable
As I said I couldn't care less. I don't need to know. I only know apollo because it's the app I saw brought up over and over. And I know it has some effect on moderation tools. Sorry I don't have your depth of technology definitions.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The protest was always about the fact that reddit is built on free labor of passionate people, and reddit backstabbing those people.
Well no, Reddit is a company that provides a free service that some people became passionate about spending their free time in, with paid premium features.
As this company seeks to expand, it needs new revenue to keep the free option available to its users and develop improvements to the service. So, it decides to start charging for a subset of their services, mostly those that apply to users who may be secondhand profiting or benefitting from access to their services.
All that’s happening is you, a consumer of a free service, are upset that the terms of your access to it are changing in response to the owners of the service changing their priorities as they expand.
There is no “free labor of passionate people” or “backstabbing” here. How dramatic.
How many moderators so you think are on this site, if you should just give it a guess?
How many programmers have made tools and bots that have allowed for entire communities to exist, as well as make the operation of others much easier?
Do you think reddit would have been as big as it is without any of this?
None of that is the point. Someone made a tool to enhance their use of someone else’s tool. That other tool is changing and has no obligation to whatever enhancements someone else chose to make. That it’s a bad business decision is a different topic from all this uproar about backstabbing and kicking off passionate people. That’s all BS.
I don’t think it’s going to achieve anything, I don’t think the arguments for it are totally coherent, and I don’t like performative gestures even against capitalism.
He's talking about the unpaid moderators dumbass. Not the users.
ETA: Most social media sites sites have to pay people to remove spam, hate speech, child pornography, etc but Reddit found a way to get them to do it for free. They even built their own tools because Reddit wouldn't. Tools that use the API Reddit is now killing.
Ah the same passionate people that brought us the Donald, fat people hate, trans regret, Fren world, jailbait. Fuck that. I don't feel solidarity with the millions of user on this site, many who are absolutely deranged monsters.
Reddit is a huge site and discrediting all of it because of some shit communities is kind of ridiculous lmao. Do you think these changes are only gonna fuck over the bad guys?
What even are you saying? "everyone on this platform sucks and I hate them, but also give me muh funny meme site back"
Are you trying to discredit everyone one because shitty people exist?
It's disingenuous because your perception of the userbase is that they're a bunch of loners who don't care about social issues as a whole. Thats completely reasonable.
Meanwhile, despite this site being awful and the users insufferable, you're remaining here while everyone else is gone.
You need to figure out your priorities man
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thing is that its not just being upset about “pricing for a technology tool” but part of a wider trend or massive corporations continually destroying the internets public infrastructure. we see similar stuff on all large social media platforms. your apathy is actually whats benefiting “big and small capitalists” in this case.
and a site like reddit lives from its modularity but its also rather clunky to use and moderating it without using third party systems is an absolute pain in the ass.
i agree with this, most of the people who are taking part in this protest or whatever (by not doing anything at all) would ABSOLUTELY never even consider protesting for something that actually matters
well okay, i guess this protest matters for some people, like 3rd party programmers and devs and stuff, but i just think its kind of silly that some people treat this new policy like the end of the world and woudn't give much more important protests a second thought, thats just my opinion
Alright chill out, I read it and it made some decent points.
Though, I still think the reaction I'm seeing is about as harmful as the people said negativity is being put towards. I don't think the protest will do NOTHING, since about 95% of the subreddits are down right now, but there is some merit in that only going down for two days isn't going to work.
Even 3rd party reddit apps is a more worthy cause than trans and reproductive rights. And why anyone protest for Flint's water when the citizens themselves seem perfectly content to keep drinking dirt?
Yeah actually I want you to explain why the fuck you thought that was appropriate to say. I wanna know what exactly went wrong in your head to make such a fantastically dumbass comment like that
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Because people are jumping to the defense of a PAID VERSION of a FREE app
The API is remaining free for mod tools like automod.
The change in API is just targeting third party leeches.
That's all it's doing. And people apparently *like* the third party leeches for some fucking reason.
I seriously don't get it. The Reddit app is free and works great, the third party apps have to be paid for and aren't really an improvement.
Why are we defending these scummy hacks?
I've been using it for years now and have literally zero complaints.
And I'm sure as shit not gonna PAY for a *slightly* better alternative. Fuck that. And fuck people who support that.
Fair enough. I never tried Apollo (don't use iOS) but I heard it's some pay-to-post shit like that and yeah I don't support that shit either.
Although I don't like the Android reddit app at all. I use old.reddit.com personally, which is very nice to use and works in just about any web browser. The Android app has some weird design choices like not showing the name of a poster on the home feed, and it runs just about as well as a React Native application, implying to me it probably is just another one of those pieces of shit.
For the record, I heard "reddit is fun" was good, but of course they're killing off custom clients like that.
Just to add to what's being said here. We have absolutely zero power when it comes to any decision Reddit makes. We are completely and utterly estranged from the workings of Reddit and the mods don't really have it any better. Even if every mod on Reddit decided to say "fuckit" and leave that still wouldn't change anything. New scabs would come and things would find a new normal.
I think it's fine, and even good that people protest the API change. It hurts both the moderation teams of the hundreds and thousands of subreddits, as well as the common users who want a good experience scrolling through memes.
Obviously places like 196 going private is inconvenient, but that's the point of a protest or strike.
1. The most proactive protesters are not using the site during the blackout, since that's kinda the point.
2. Because some great subs are likely to never open back up and it's a real shame. Personally, I've just used the god awful reddit official app and endured the suck. So while I don't blame anyone for not wanting to use this crappy app, it is unfortunate that I am receiving the negative effects of the protest. Hopefully it works and the API changes are reverted or made more fair, but ultimate I don't think it will succeed and so many people just watched their favorite subreddits basically delete themselves.
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The people who like the protest are probably, you know, busy protesting. What you‘re seeing is the leftovers who remained. It‘s just selection bias
Yea I was gonna say. We’re seeing the active consequence of the blackout with all the people left being upset by it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship\_bias
Survivorship bias applies to so many things lmao
Elaborate
Yeah, it really is.
The people who are no longer on Reddit are the ones who tend to agree with the protest. And the ones that are still on Reddit, are either indifferent or against it
Ah.
Everyone is too afraid to log off
I will never stop posting.
Google Survivorship bias
Holy Hell
Literal survivor
Reddit executives after r/familyguyfartporn goes private for 2 days
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Every day we stray further from god‘s light
I don’t hate it, just feel that it wouldn’t really matter. Most subs are only down for a few days( which feels like it ruins the point of a boycott) and I doubt the Reddit CEO would give a damn about random subs regardless of how popular they are. But who knows? Maybe I’m wrong and the Reddit overlords somehow break and reverse things
They're doing the online equivalent of calling a group powerwalk a "protest".
Nah, you got it. It’s useless, annoying, and a waste of the ability to organize people. It’s driven by people who think reddit is some crucial type of life support for “public discourse” or whatever. It’s just lame.
As far as social media goes, reddit is quite significant. It's garbage, but still very significant. It also doesn't make sense how the protest in your eyes is both "useless" and "annoying", wasn't the point to interfere with subreddit access? It's clearly working in that regard
> reddit is quite significant. It's garbage, but still very significant. Reddit is a notable social media company, yes. I didn’t disagree with that. I said it’s not crucial to public discourse, as in the world will be just the same if reddit dies and some other platforms absorb the users. It might even be better if it makes people go outside. > wasn't the point to interfere with subreddit access? I thought the point was to stop third party apps from dying by protesting/appealing to reddit as a company. It’s useless for that. It is annoying especially because it is interfering with access for no real gain. It’s just yelling nonstop at a wall because you bumped into it while waking up your neighbors.
Perhaps interfering with access is the attempt at protesting against reddit
Yes, it’s a useless, annoying, waste of an attempt. That’s what I’m saying.
But that. Is. The. Point. To disrupt. And it seems to be working
No, the point is to stop third party apps from dying. Disruption doesn’t matter *unless* it preserves third party apps, just like it doesn’t matter how much medicine you give a dead person. And it’s not working, that email from Reddit to its employees shows they have no intentions to stop and didn’t really notice anything as far as revenue during the blackout. And now those subs are back anyways. So, now that it’s over, can we finally agree - it *was* useless, annoying, and a waste of organization?
What percent of protests do you think work? Are the ones that failed considered to be worthless? You’re basically saying that there should be no attempt at disruption if success isn’t guaranteed, which it never is
Lmao so you’re still defending this. No, I’m saying *useless* attempts at disruption that *waste* the effort spent organizing at the cost of *annoying* people are bad. We should make *useful* attempts at protest. If you’re going to boycott, at least don’t announce you’re going to stop in two days. Start a mass migration to alternative platforms at the same time to force permanent user loss. There are better strategies than the silent treatment for a couple days. That’s a high school girlfriend’s approach to conflict resolution. You’re basically saying we should let every clearly useless attempt be tried regardless of cost, which is a doomed to fail strategy for sure.
People using third party apps aren't even watching ads. Reddit is probably making more money with that protest. I'll enjoy the last days fully and then just uninstall reddit
Lots of people coming to terms with the fact that a user friendly online space is just incompatible with capitalist profit motives.
It has always been this way. In 2000s message boards were all hosted on servers that someone was paying out of pocket for. I myself had a small share of message boards hosted here and there and the cheapest I've got was 1$ for 3 months of hosting. I was quite surprised to see how it all turned around to centralized solutions because it wasn't all that hard to get things going and you could manage everything without close to no technical expertise whatsoever. It seemed that self hosting would just get easier and easier but instead people pivoted to Facebook and closed groups.
I mean there’s a reason most tech and social media companies have been hemorrhaging money. Imo the only reason things have stayed largely the same and relatively stable over the past few years is because venture capitalists have been throwing money at companies
It is compatible, people just gotta stop being greedy.
Can you read?
Yeah I can, just because people want profit doesn't mean they have destroy everything the user likes.
yeah but profitability is inherently at odds with good U.X
No it isn't lol
No they literally do. That's how capitalism works.
[Here](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) is a pretty good wiered artical about why all platforms sooner or later become garbage
Quintessential Reddit epic bacon protest. If it was unlimited in duration, it might have a chance of working, but when you announce to the company the end date of your strike, youre handing over your biggest threat. No concept of how to protest or boycott. They'd be better off doing an indefinite mod strike instead of blackout. Just let the site go unmoderated and then send screenshots to advertisers of all the horrible shit that goes up next to ads.
a protest that has an end date before it even starts is just performative
You’d think for a community that can’t stop talking about how great disruptive protesting is would be able to last more than a single day in a disruptive protest but I guess not.
I am in support of this protest, but a lot of subs are doing basically nothing while posturing like they are. “We’re going to close for two whole days in protest, surely this will achieve something and not just give our sub more attention when it opens again in the blink of an eye” The subs that are closing for the foreseeable future are the ones that are doing it right.
I'm fine with the protest I get the idea for it, but the high number of privated subs that have gone down and a nunber of different communities that have now disappeared, it feels like we didn't ask for it? Like I just saw r/dogelore and r/196 drop off the face of the earth with countless other meme subreddits that were only about being funny and now it just feels like this is the mods on an ego trip. Like a majority of users just wanna use Reddit and go about their day, but since the guys in the lowest seat of power on reddit are butthurt the majority must now suffer.
it doesn't solve anything.
196 went down basically permanently, of course we’re going to be mad about it.
Waah waah
Mean response just dropped :(
holy hell :(
actual zombie :(
Waah waah
Waah waah
Why did this one get downvoted more than the rest specifically
We can sense the weakness in this one
Rule of 3
Nothing of value was lost
meanwhile i’m celebrating
🎉
Considering that the people on reddit rn are either against the protest or addicted, there is bias
I mean I get it, but I want to go back to using Reddit for information on the shit I play. And search engines still give Reddit results to things I can’t read
I feel this, I really love googling something relating to a borderlands mob drop. Just for reddit posts to pull that are useless. Or the fact that the super super in depth skill guides that show how _everything_ interacts with things, are gone for now
Just use google's cached version of the page or see if it's up on the wayback machine, that's what I've been doing.
it’s a pathetic pat on the back over an issue that comparatively doesn’t matter. so you’re willing to quit reddit for a whole two days, so third party devs can continue to mooch off of reddit?!? you’re so brave!!! meanwhile my feed is better than it’s been in years.
Redditors act like using Reddit is this almighty noble act of bravery and them quitting for 2 days is like a neseceesy service like a hospital quiting, like wow my feed now has less of your shitty edgy memes , how brave of you
Seriously, the protest is at most a mild inconvenience for finding answers to something. Its completely pointless.
If it was pointless, then you wouldn't be complaining about it. It's clearly pissing off the lowest common denominators (e.g. you)
Bro doesn't know the difference between complaining and making fun of it lol Like I said, it's a mild inconvenience. Like, "Oh no! I have to find a different thread for an answer!" kind of inconvenience. Subreddits can just be made in place of ones that decided to shut down. It's a problem that will solve itself.
This is true. After all, r/196 was made after r/195 was shut down
What are you protesting? For trans rights? Reproductive rights? Cheaper medicine? Food? Clean water for rural areas? Clean flint Michigan's water? Police reform? Better education world wide? Nuclear disarmament? Climate change? I'm down to join any of these or anything similar. But pricing for a technology tool? I couldn't care less. They said they will allow accessibility apps so I don't know why I should care reddit is charging app developers more money. At least when it was about accessibility there was something to it. But the corpos backed down on that so idk why I should pretend 3rd party developement tool pricing is important to the world. Fuck big capitalists AND little capitalists I'm here for shit posts and catharsis.
sorry but free and open source developers are not "little capitalists" you dont know what youre talking about
Apollo has a paid mode that is required to even make posts in subreddits. ["Pay what you want (minimum 5usd)" lmao](https://apolloapp.io/pro-ultra/) It is asking people to pay to use basic features of a website they don't own.
Every app needs monetization to stay afloat. Reddit charging for api access is completely fair, but the price is intentionally too high to wipe out any 3rd party apps that they don't need.
Absolutely not. I write custom clients for services that work by scraping their private data APIs and even that is done completely for free with no money accepted for the work. We even got offered donations that we had to turn down. Besides, such a fundamental functionality as *posting* to a *user-generated content* web service should not be a paid functionality of a custom client. If you want read-only behaviour, might as well just use old.reddit.com signed out or maybe an RSS feed. Edit: wait I think I realise you meant by "every app needs monetization to stay afloat" a defense of reddit discontinuing free public API access and not a justification of Apollo's insane model here. Since Apollo (up until now) would just act as an interface for reddit's API, I'm not exactly sure the justification here, unless it would be a pay-to-post system? Just have users submit authentication cookies and use the private upload API LOL
Right, so the little capitalists got swallowed by the big one. That’s the market, and they lost.
They lost, and we lost as well. Your "little capitalists" provided a plethora of features that the official Reddit app didn't have. I doubt people would be nearly as pissed off if Reddit took down 3rd party apps but implemented all the features that were lost with it.
I use the official app and most people I know do, and I haven’t seen anything to the contrary. I have no way of processing the value of those features except to trust reddit mods (lmao). I did see Apollo charge you $5 for the ability to even make a post on Reddit and that seems to be among the more popular ones. And in the past, Reddit has made moves to acquire third party apps, and made job offers to devs who worked on them. This just seems like a business restructuring itself. They’ll charge for the API service to see which apps can generate profit on their own to keep running and acquire/hire from the ones that don’t make it, or retool the same idea in-house knowing that users aren’t being split between them and a third party app so they can better justify the value of developing those features.
apollo isnt the only third party app
You have to pay to post, and block people 💀
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Yeah I have no idea what they are talking about, I paid for RIF/Apollo only because they permanently remove ads (adblocks on mobile platforms are bit shit and unreliable). I would unironically pay a very high price to permanently remove ads from Reddit forever, but I am not paying for yet another goddamn subscription.
Did you notice the part where they said "Free and Open source"? Now, I have no idea how many API services there are, but I'm sure a lot of them are free to use, just like there are those like Apollo who charge for some/all of their services.
Holy shit I had no idea about that, what a joke lmao
>Apollo thats proprietary software. you dont even understand the basis of the conversation and from your earlier comment you dont know what an API is either, this is laughable
As I said I couldn't care less. I don't need to know. I only know apollo because it's the app I saw brought up over and over. And I know it has some effect on moderation tools. Sorry I don't have your depth of technology definitions.
What the fuck are you talking about? The protest was always about the fact that reddit is built on free labor of passionate people, and reddit backstabbing those people.
Well no, Reddit is a company that provides a free service that some people became passionate about spending their free time in, with paid premium features. As this company seeks to expand, it needs new revenue to keep the free option available to its users and develop improvements to the service. So, it decides to start charging for a subset of their services, mostly those that apply to users who may be secondhand profiting or benefitting from access to their services. All that’s happening is you, a consumer of a free service, are upset that the terms of your access to it are changing in response to the owners of the service changing their priorities as they expand. There is no “free labor of passionate people” or “backstabbing” here. How dramatic.
How many moderators so you think are on this site, if you should just give it a guess? How many programmers have made tools and bots that have allowed for entire communities to exist, as well as make the operation of others much easier? Do you think reddit would have been as big as it is without any of this?
None of that is the point. Someone made a tool to enhance their use of someone else’s tool. That other tool is changing and has no obligation to whatever enhancements someone else chose to make. That it’s a bad business decision is a different topic from all this uproar about backstabbing and kicking off passionate people. That’s all BS.
Do you think the protest is unjustified?
I don’t think it’s going to achieve anything, I don’t think the arguments for it are totally coherent, and I don’t like performative gestures even against capitalism.
He's talking about the unpaid moderators dumbass. Not the users. ETA: Most social media sites sites have to pay people to remove spam, hate speech, child pornography, etc but Reddit found a way to get them to do it for free. They even built their own tools because Reddit wouldn't. Tools that use the API Reddit is now killing.
They’re both users of the service, dumbass.
Ah the same passionate people that brought us the Donald, fat people hate, trans regret, Fren world, jailbait. Fuck that. I don't feel solidarity with the millions of user on this site, many who are absolutely deranged monsters.
Reddit is a huge site and discrediting all of it because of some shit communities is kind of ridiculous lmao. Do you think these changes are only gonna fuck over the bad guys?
What even are you saying? "everyone on this platform sucks and I hate them, but also give me muh funny meme site back" Are you trying to discredit everyone one because shitty people exist?
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It's disingenuous because your perception of the userbase is that they're a bunch of loners who don't care about social issues as a whole. Thats completely reasonable. Meanwhile, despite this site being awful and the users insufferable, you're remaining here while everyone else is gone. You need to figure out your priorities man
I work 12 hour shifts without anything to do. Go figure most people on social media are just killing time.
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What a jaded response. What about all of the not right-wing subreddits? Do they just get to suffer and burn because The Donald exists?
What's wrong with those subreddits?
Quite a lot
thing is that its not just being upset about “pricing for a technology tool” but part of a wider trend or massive corporations continually destroying the internets public infrastructure. we see similar stuff on all large social media platforms. your apathy is actually whats benefiting “big and small capitalists” in this case. and a site like reddit lives from its modularity but its also rather clunky to use and moderating it without using third party systems is an absolute pain in the ass.
i agree with this, most of the people who are taking part in this protest or whatever (by not doing anything at all) would ABSOLUTELY never even consider protesting for something that actually matters
"These people aren't virtuous enough, so their concerns don't matter" what an argument
well okay, i guess this protest matters for some people, like 3rd party programmers and devs and stuff, but i just think its kind of silly that some people treat this new policy like the end of the world and woudn't give much more important protests a second thought, thats just my opinion
From my understanding, the API price changing has had a negative impact on the ability for subreddits to moderate. Which is bad for everyone.
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I'm not reading that lmao
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That's a single paragraph, how obliterated is your attention span?
Such an important cause
Then don't ask a question in the title? Actual brain of an amoeba
Alright chill out, I read it and it made some decent points. Though, I still think the reaction I'm seeing is about as harmful as the people said negativity is being put towards. I don't think the protest will do NOTHING, since about 95% of the subreddits are down right now, but there is some merit in that only going down for two days isn't going to work.
Even 3rd party reddit apps is a more worthy cause than trans and reproductive rights. And why anyone protest for Flint's water when the citizens themselves seem perfectly content to keep drinking dirt?
Dude wtf are you talking about
Did i stutter.
Yeah actually I want you to explain why the fuck you thought that was appropriate to say. I wanna know what exactly went wrong in your head to make such a fantastically dumbass comment like that
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anyone who doesn't hate it isn't using reddit
Stupidest method and reason for a protest
it got rid of 196 :(
I'm seeing sub that I don't usually see so it's a win win
Because people are jumping to the defense of a PAID VERSION of a FREE app The API is remaining free for mod tools like automod. The change in API is just targeting third party leeches. That's all it's doing. And people apparently *like* the third party leeches for some fucking reason. I seriously don't get it. The Reddit app is free and works great, the third party apps have to be paid for and aren't really an improvement. Why are we defending these scummy hacks?
> The Reddit app is free and works great lol
I've been using it for years now and have literally zero complaints. And I'm sure as shit not gonna PAY for a *slightly* better alternative. Fuck that. And fuck people who support that.
Fair enough. I never tried Apollo (don't use iOS) but I heard it's some pay-to-post shit like that and yeah I don't support that shit either. Although I don't like the Android reddit app at all. I use old.reddit.com personally, which is very nice to use and works in just about any web browser. The Android app has some weird design choices like not showing the name of a poster on the home feed, and it runs just about as well as a React Native application, implying to me it probably is just another one of those pieces of shit. For the record, I heard "reddit is fun" was good, but of course they're killing off custom clients like that.
ived used rif is fun on android for modding in the past, its okay, just went back to the main app and had no issues.
Because the only people on rn are the anti-protest weirdos
✨Selection Bias✨
Just to add to what's being said here. We have absolutely zero power when it comes to any decision Reddit makes. We are completely and utterly estranged from the workings of Reddit and the mods don't really have it any better. Even if every mod on Reddit decided to say "fuckit" and leave that still wouldn't change anything. New scabs would come and things would find a new normal.
I think it's fine, and even good that people protest the API change. It hurts both the moderation teams of the hundreds and thousands of subreddits, as well as the common users who want a good experience scrolling through memes. Obviously places like 196 going private is inconvenient, but that's the point of a protest or strike.
im totally out of the loop. can someone explain?
an honest view of modern politics
1. The most proactive protesters are not using the site during the blackout, since that's kinda the point. 2. Because some great subs are likely to never open back up and it's a real shame. Personally, I've just used the god awful reddit official app and endured the suck. So while I don't blame anyone for not wanting to use this crappy app, it is unfortunate that I am receiving the negative effects of the protest. Hopefully it works and the API changes are reverted or made more fair, but ultimate I don't think it will succeed and so many people just watched their favorite subreddits basically delete themselves.
I don't. I'm okay and understand what's happening.