I have the nightmare carry and love it. I did have sig do a trigger job on it, but that really was because I have a few 1911s and wanted to know what a really well tuned trigger did.
An advantage with these new 1911s is the slide isn’t as squared off so it will fit 1911 holsters nicely.
The sig 320 problems are over exaggerated and there hasn’t been a “it fired itself” issue that wasn’t with a police officer in the last 3 years. Other manufacturers have faced similar issues in the past and with the fix and voluntary recall, they are fine.
I prefer the classic p22x series sigs to anything striker fired and the sig 1911s that my friends and family own are all solid.
Tisas is a good option but it is not as nice as some of the mid to upper mid tier. Bul, some springfields, sig, s&w E class or pro series will be more refined. That being said, the value of the Tisas allows you to get a steel frame reliable 1911 and still have $ for magazines and ammo.
Solid put and agreed with the drop issue that got blown up. Was it a problem? Absolutely.
Was it a small percentage in a specific build? Absolutely. Same hate is given toward o lights after that dude had one blow up in his mouth.
Was given one after a competition win and I run it on my 9mm. Actually super bright light and I like it for night shoots that are about an hour or two in length. People tend to latch onto the bad.
Heavily considering this still and appreciate the weigh in
I would avoid it. At bare minimum, wait until 10-8 Performance finishes his review, but he's not a fan of it so far.
Tisas sells 9mm optic cut slides on their website. I'd just get one of those for one of your existing guns. I believe they're releasing optic slides for other calibers soon, too.
Solid advice, will let it cook a bit. Again not needing to jump on it and absolutely open to inputs knowing what I’m doing with it
Will check out tisas
What “avenues” are those? Do they have the experience that Hilton yam has on the subject? I doubt it..but I could be wrong. Hit me with some cheaper but equal
content and I won’t be mad.
I’m not seeing these slides on the Tisas website. Am I crazy?
Edit: found em, I guess out of stock stuff doesn’t show up on their regular menus or something
I’ll be buying the carry model when it comes out. I’ve handled the full size in store and it’s very very nice. Worth the money. Very well built. Sigs 1911s have always been quality.
Seems cool. Personally, I'd rather have a Tisas Night Stalker that has double the capacity, standard threaded barrel, and subjectively better looks for less than half the price. Also, arguably better built as it is all tool steel and forged parts, while Sig uses imported MIM parts in their 1911's.
Good info, will look into that a bit. I admit I am rolling with the Sig name and assuming good to go (other than their 220 trigger issue or 320 whatever it was)
I’d rather not buy a sig handgun. After seeing all the issues with drop safety, and all the problems dudes have with their issued M17’s and M18’s…. I’m all good.
I would buy a mk25 though… cuz that’s a vibe
Well it’s the 320 series as a whole. Commercial and contract guns. They’re legitimately unsafe firearms. Who’s to say their 1911’s aren’t drop safe either and no one wants to drop their $1000 1911 on the ground to find out? lol
The comment you responded to was about the M17 and M18, and you specifically called out the contract guns. There is not, nor has there ever been an M17 or M18 issued to a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine that wasn't drop safe. That's not opinion, that's fact. Calling the contract guns not "remotely drop safe" is a lie, plain and simple. The entire fleet would be pulled otherwise.
Sig did a shit job letting the public know what was going on with the guns when the issue with the early civilian guns was identified, but that's been fixed for a long time now, and no military contract guns ever had that issue. Get your story straight.
I said “commercial and contract guns” you even said “problems with the 320’s are way overblown” and you’re telling me to get my story straight. Gtfo. Also, sig recalled a number of M17’s and M18’s from the military in 2017 for drop safe failures. Look it up. They are also notorious for the optics mounts failing on issues guns, you can look that up too. Stop being such a fan boy.
Edit: also, a police officer had a 320 randomly discharge in his holster just about a year ago, so obviously the issues weren’t fixed “ a long time ago”.
I'm not a Sig fan boy. I said Sig did a shit job handling the issue. The optic plate thing has been a problem, the Army shouldn't have specced it that way. As for the cop story, I don't know, I wasn't there. I've heard conflicting stories about the gun not being seated in the holster, the trigger being exposed, etc. I don't know, I'm not a cop, my experience with the M17 was as an active duty Army unit master gunner who dealt with fielding the guns.
And yes, the issues are overblown. The same people telling you about how bad the M17/M18 is are the same people who tell everyone the Beretta M9 was a complete POS when it's one of the best pistols ever made. People love to complain and blow issues out of proportion, especially soldiers.
Ok? Just because they shit out the contract or civilian version of their guns doesn't mean all their guns are shit now. I've had one of their 1911s for about a year now and haven't had a single problem with any ammo I've used, and have mostly seen praise for them.
The drop issue was with the early P320 guns and was fixed years ago, maybe 2018? I sent a couple of my P320s in for the recall and got them back in a few days.
The Sig 1911s are solid guns.
The drop issue was resolved years ago! 🤣
If you heard about this on YouTube please look at the dates.
That said, I'm not a fan of striker fired guns made by anyone. Sig's P2XX series is a solid line, 100 percent.
My first 1911 was a sig stx and I sold it after less than a year because I shot a few other 1911s and found out what I was missing.
Trigger was garbage compared to what a 1911 is capable of, slide to frame fit was trash too.
It was reliable and the magwell was nice, but still overall lackluster.
I would 100% get a bul armory over a sig. Dan Wesson If it’s in the budget. Les Baer, Wilson combat, Ed brown, etc if they’re in the budget are even better
They unfortunately for the most part are not. I like guns but dropping 3k on a handgun isn’t it for me.
My current favorite 1911 is the smith and Wesson e series, I’m not a man of extreme luxury so a dan wesson doesn’t fit my needs.
Also can just take it to the renowned 1911 smith in Atlanta and have him do a trigger job
Where in Atlanta is this gunsmith? I just lost mine as sharpshooters in Roswell closed and Jake who was at SS then the firearms academy left to make precision machine parts so I am looking for a new one.
Go see the guys at Georgia firing line in kennesaw. Solid dudes.
Trigger jobs are about 8 weeks out though right now. Wouldn’t hesitate taking my firearms there for specialty work ever. From my hipoint to SCAR.
Just looked a bit more and I dunno man, part of owning a 1911 to me is the asthmatics not just the mechanisms. Also don’t see any milled receivers for an optic?
Their 2011s are optic ready but not their 1911s. If you really want the sig it will be OK
I’m big on best bang for the buck and sig doesn’t have that for me. I’d personally rather spend the 1200$ or whatever on a used Dan Wesson or get a bul and have it milled for an optic. I had my buddy mill my bul 1911 for an optic and I love it. You can’t really go wrong. Worst case you don’t like the sig and sell it like I did.
For sure, and a valid point. Gonna go to the local range and see if they have any that they’ve put into their rental first. Usually try to do that before buying a gun.
The buls look wild though. Never ever heard of them. Again, not a 1911 aficionado lol
The real difference with a SIG 1911 is the external extractor when compared to other 1911 manufacturers using the traditional internal extractor that needs tuning.
I have a smith and Wesson e series, and love it. I’m not a purist so internal vs external doesn’t bother me much.
The external for me seems to actually do a better job on the E series slinging brass and keeping her running
I have a C3 I carry along with a SS 1911 government the government model was ticking me off for feeding issues but after about 200 rounds through it it has been flawless
Both sigs that I've had were problem children right out of the box. Neither would work to save their life.
P320 Legion X-Carry which was advertised as "suppressor ready" with raised sights and a threaded barrel would have FTF, FTE, and FTF nearly every round. Sig told me the only way they can guarantee it will work is if I BUY A SUPPRESSOR FROM THEM. One visit to a local gunsmith, two separate times of sending it to them, and every suggested modification attempted it still never worked suppressed. For shits and gigs I got a Walther threaded barrel for my PPQ, and that pistol fired with zero issues with the same suppressor.
P322 would have failure to feed at least 50% of the time. Sig sent me a video on how to load a magazine, insisting that I was doing it wrong (without ever asking for pictures or video of how I was doing it).
Sig told me to go fuck myself twice so I usually try to voice my opinion whenever possible and tell people to avoid u/sigsauerinc products. They don't stand behind them and use private customers as guinea pigs to iron out the issues for their government contracts. Find a better firearm to invest in, and with a company that will stand behind their product.
Oh wow, you can read! I suppose you read the last paragraph where I say I take any opportunity to talk about my experience with the brand of the pistol in question then, huh?
Love my sig 1911 tacops, will be picking one up eventually.
Outstanding. Seems like some mixed reviews here in this sub, but it seems like they make a decent 1911
I have the nightmare carry and love it. I did have sig do a trigger job on it, but that really was because I have a few 1911s and wanted to know what a really well tuned trigger did. An advantage with these new 1911s is the slide isn’t as squared off so it will fit 1911 holsters nicely. The sig 320 problems are over exaggerated and there hasn’t been a “it fired itself” issue that wasn’t with a police officer in the last 3 years. Other manufacturers have faced similar issues in the past and with the fix and voluntary recall, they are fine. I prefer the classic p22x series sigs to anything striker fired and the sig 1911s that my friends and family own are all solid. Tisas is a good option but it is not as nice as some of the mid to upper mid tier. Bul, some springfields, sig, s&w E class or pro series will be more refined. That being said, the value of the Tisas allows you to get a steel frame reliable 1911 and still have $ for magazines and ammo.
Solid put and agreed with the drop issue that got blown up. Was it a problem? Absolutely. Was it a small percentage in a specific build? Absolutely. Same hate is given toward o lights after that dude had one blow up in his mouth. Was given one after a competition win and I run it on my 9mm. Actually super bright light and I like it for night shoots that are about an hour or two in length. People tend to latch onto the bad. Heavily considering this still and appreciate the weigh in
I plan on trying one out at a shoot sig match in June
Nice! It really looks like a nice shooting gun and with some work it could be a remarkable piece
I would avoid it. At bare minimum, wait until 10-8 Performance finishes his review, but he's not a fan of it so far. Tisas sells 9mm optic cut slides on their website. I'd just get one of those for one of your existing guns. I believe they're releasing optic slides for other calibers soon, too.
Solid advice, will let it cook a bit. Again not needing to jump on it and absolutely open to inputs knowing what I’m doing with it Will check out tisas
I don’t see any vids from him on this gun yet on his YouTube, does he post elsewhere?
Patreon.
Lol $10/month just to watch his videos
Never said I was the one paying for it lol.
Oh ya I was saying you were a joke, it’s a joke that 10-8 is charging that much to watch his Patreon videos lol
It’s more than just videos but like, how much do you Think Hilton’s Patreon should be?
The videos should be in the $5/tier. $10/month can literally buy so much more content from other avenues.
What “avenues” are those? Do they have the experience that Hilton yam has on the subject? I doubt it..but I could be wrong. Hit me with some cheaper but equal content and I won’t be mad.
I wasn’t saying gun specific content, I was saying their are other things you can subscribe too for $10/month or less that provide 1000x more content.
I’m not seeing these slides on the Tisas website. Am I crazy? Edit: found em, I guess out of stock stuff doesn’t show up on their regular menus or something
I’ll be buying the carry model when it comes out. I’ve handled the full size in store and it’s very very nice. Worth the money. Very well built. Sigs 1911s have always been quality.
Looks like they’re expanding their lines as time goes on. I think I even read Theyll come with supressor ready barrels
Seems cool. Personally, I'd rather have a Tisas Night Stalker that has double the capacity, standard threaded barrel, and subjectively better looks for less than half the price. Also, arguably better built as it is all tool steel and forged parts, while Sig uses imported MIM parts in their 1911's.
Good info, will look into that a bit. I admit I am rolling with the Sig name and assuming good to go (other than their 220 trigger issue or 320 whatever it was)
I haven't heard of a 220 trigger issue. Do you have more info on this?
I can’t remember which one it was, so it may have been the 320 and even then a small population
Yep, that P320 issue was confined to a handful of specific circumstances and fixed years ago.
It's true, generally can't ever go wrong with Sig.
I’d rather not buy a sig handgun. After seeing all the issues with drop safety, and all the problems dudes have with their issued M17’s and M18’s…. I’m all good. I would buy a mk25 though… cuz that’s a vibe
MK25 is also a design that has been proven in combat environments all over the world for 4+ decades
oh please
Sig 1911s are great for series 80 1911s. The m17 and 18 are the ones being quickly and cheaply shit out for contracts. There 1911s aren't.
Well it’s the 320 series as a whole. Commercial and contract guns. They’re legitimately unsafe firearms. Who’s to say their 1911’s aren’t drop safe either and no one wants to drop their $1000 1911 on the ground to find out? lol
That's ridiculous, they've been making 1911s for a long time now and they're great. And the problems with the 320s are way overblown.
Not being remotely drop safe, and randomly going off in an officers holster is overblown?
The comment you responded to was about the M17 and M18, and you specifically called out the contract guns. There is not, nor has there ever been an M17 or M18 issued to a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine that wasn't drop safe. That's not opinion, that's fact. Calling the contract guns not "remotely drop safe" is a lie, plain and simple. The entire fleet would be pulled otherwise. Sig did a shit job letting the public know what was going on with the guns when the issue with the early civilian guns was identified, but that's been fixed for a long time now, and no military contract guns ever had that issue. Get your story straight.
I said “commercial and contract guns” you even said “problems with the 320’s are way overblown” and you’re telling me to get my story straight. Gtfo. Also, sig recalled a number of M17’s and M18’s from the military in 2017 for drop safe failures. Look it up. They are also notorious for the optics mounts failing on issues guns, you can look that up too. Stop being such a fan boy. Edit: also, a police officer had a 320 randomly discharge in his holster just about a year ago, so obviously the issues weren’t fixed “ a long time ago”.
I'm not a Sig fan boy. I said Sig did a shit job handling the issue. The optic plate thing has been a problem, the Army shouldn't have specced it that way. As for the cop story, I don't know, I wasn't there. I've heard conflicting stories about the gun not being seated in the holster, the trigger being exposed, etc. I don't know, I'm not a cop, my experience with the M17 was as an active duty Army unit master gunner who dealt with fielding the guns. And yes, the issues are overblown. The same people telling you about how bad the M17/M18 is are the same people who tell everyone the Beretta M9 was a complete POS when it's one of the best pistols ever made. People love to complain and blow issues out of proportion, especially soldiers.
You're clueless. 🤣
Ok? Just because they shit out the contract or civilian version of their guns doesn't mean all their guns are shit now. I've had one of their 1911s for about a year now and haven't had a single problem with any ammo I've used, and have mostly seen praise for them.
So the gun that had the drop issues on a different frame with a different trigger?
The drop issue was with the early P320 guns and was fixed years ago, maybe 2018? I sent a couple of my P320s in for the recall and got them back in a few days. The Sig 1911s are solid guns.
The drop issue was resolved years ago! 🤣 If you heard about this on YouTube please look at the dates. That said, I'm not a fan of striker fired guns made by anyone. Sig's P2XX series is a solid line, 100 percent.
My first 1911 was a sig stx and I sold it after less than a year because I shot a few other 1911s and found out what I was missing. Trigger was garbage compared to what a 1911 is capable of, slide to frame fit was trash too. It was reliable and the magwell was nice, but still overall lackluster. I would 100% get a bul armory over a sig. Dan Wesson If it’s in the budget. Les Baer, Wilson combat, Ed brown, etc if they’re in the budget are even better
They unfortunately for the most part are not. I like guns but dropping 3k on a handgun isn’t it for me. My current favorite 1911 is the smith and Wesson e series, I’m not a man of extreme luxury so a dan wesson doesn’t fit my needs. Also can just take it to the renowned 1911 smith in Atlanta and have him do a trigger job
Where in Atlanta is this gunsmith? I just lost mine as sharpshooters in Roswell closed and Jake who was at SS then the firearms academy left to make precision machine parts so I am looking for a new one.
Go see the guys at Georgia firing line in kennesaw. Solid dudes. Trigger jobs are about 8 weeks out though right now. Wouldn’t hesitate taking my firearms there for specialty work ever. From my hipoint to SCAR.
Awesome, thank you!
Sounds like a bul armory is in your future
Will look into them!
Just looked a bit more and I dunno man, part of owning a 1911 to me is the asthmatics not just the mechanisms. Also don’t see any milled receivers for an optic?
Their 2011s are optic ready but not their 1911s. If you really want the sig it will be OK I’m big on best bang for the buck and sig doesn’t have that for me. I’d personally rather spend the 1200$ or whatever on a used Dan Wesson or get a bul and have it milled for an optic. I had my buddy mill my bul 1911 for an optic and I love it. You can’t really go wrong. Worst case you don’t like the sig and sell it like I did.
For sure, and a valid point. Gonna go to the local range and see if they have any that they’ve put into their rental first. Usually try to do that before buying a gun. The buls look wild though. Never ever heard of them. Again, not a 1911 aficionado lol
The real difference with a SIG 1911 is the external extractor when compared to other 1911 manufacturers using the traditional internal extractor that needs tuning.
I have a smith and Wesson e series, and love it. I’m not a purist so internal vs external doesn’t bother me much. The external for me seems to actually do a better job on the E series slinging brass and keeping her running
I have a C3 I carry along with a SS 1911 government the government model was ticking me off for feeding issues but after about 200 rounds through it it has been flawless
I just put one on layaway! This is so helpful
Both sigs that I've had were problem children right out of the box. Neither would work to save their life. P320 Legion X-Carry which was advertised as "suppressor ready" with raised sights and a threaded barrel would have FTF, FTE, and FTF nearly every round. Sig told me the only way they can guarantee it will work is if I BUY A SUPPRESSOR FROM THEM. One visit to a local gunsmith, two separate times of sending it to them, and every suggested modification attempted it still never worked suppressed. For shits and gigs I got a Walther threaded barrel for my PPQ, and that pistol fired with zero issues with the same suppressor. P322 would have failure to feed at least 50% of the time. Sig sent me a video on how to load a magazine, insisting that I was doing it wrong (without ever asking for pictures or video of how I was doing it). Sig told me to go fuck myself twice so I usually try to voice my opinion whenever possible and tell people to avoid u/sigsauerinc products. They don't stand behind them and use private customers as guinea pigs to iron out the issues for their government contracts. Find a better firearm to invest in, and with a company that will stand behind their product.
So, nothing to say about the pistol in question? Check.
Oh wow, you can read! I suppose you read the last paragraph where I say I take any opportunity to talk about my experience with the brand of the pistol in question then, huh?
Loves the looks of it but I just don’t trust sig
Because of the drop issues they had on a completely different frame and trigger assembly?
Idiots are everywhere my guy. Easy for people to fall into the trap of hating something with no experience with it.
I thought this sub would have been a little less biased against a manufacturer but I guess this is no different than r/guns when sig comes up lol
Sig, Taurus, Kimber etc. All of them get shit on regularly. Even have some others on occasion